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Chargers Preseason: Is This Team Better Than Last Year's?

The San Diego Chargers are two games into the 2010 preseason and the reviews couldn't be better. Philip Rivers looks like Philip Rivers, but a year more experienced and with a little more control over the leadership of the team. Antonio Gates looks like Antonio Gates, but maybe a year healthier. Ryan Mathews looks like a big improvement over LaDainian Tomlinson, and Mike Tolbert looks like he'll be utilized as the short-yardage back this team hasn't really had since Michael Turner.

Is anyone worried? Is anyone concerned about any positions at all? Let's travel back to a time before these two games and revisit the concerns we had, and where stand on them now.

Star-divide

This team is going to have a hard time without Marcus McNeill and Vincent Jackson out there.

This was almost impossible not to believe. Brandyn Dombrowski wasn't a two-time Pro Bowler! Legedu Naanee hasn't proved anything! Malcom Floyd is going to struggle as a #1 WR! Or....maybe not?

Philip Rivers has been playing exclusively against opposing 1st string defenses. Sure, they're not spending a lot of time scheming against him, but his numbers should be a semblance of a sign of whether or not the passing offense will be okay this season...right? If that weren't true, Jay Cutler would be tearing the league apart in the preseason.

With about 3/4 of a game of football under his belt, Rivers has completed a ridiculous 71.4% of his passes (15-for-21) for 187 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT (and 1 sack, which was Ryan Mathews' fault). Not stellar, but not bad, and this is without Philip playing during his favorite times of the game (4th quarter and the last 2 minutes of the 1st half). As I stated during last night's podcast, my peepers tell me that Rivers is knocking off a little rust and working his way back to his comfort level. What everyone has been able to tell is that Rivers hasn't been pressured any more than in years passed, and the run-blocking has actually looked better than it's been.

I know this might seem blasphemous, but is there a possibility that Brandyn Dombrowski is a better LT (or maybe, at this point in their careers, a better fit for this offense) than Marcus McNeill. I know he wasn't drafted and wasn't even an OT until last season, but stranger things have happened. The fact that Kurt Warner was in the AFL didn't make him any less of a QB. I am open to this possibility, and with each week Dombrowski at least keeps me from looking like a complete idiot.

Now, WRs. We've been over this. Antonio Gates + Randy McMichael + Kris Wilson + Malcom Floyd + Legedu Naanee just might be better suited for our new "grind it out" offense than Gates + Manumaleuna + Vincent Jackson + Floyd was last season. Maybe not. However, I think when you factor in price-tags it's hard not to pick the current crop over last year's. This is Philip Rivers' team and at his dispense he has a bunch of young, inexpensive, hungry and versatile players. This could work. As long as the offensive line holds up.

 

How will Antoine Cason handle the outside when he couldn't handle being a Nickel CB?

Two things here.

1) This has been stressed repeatedly, but the outside is an entirely different ballgame than the nickel. Especially in Ron Rivera's defense. The nickel spot is almost more like a small/fast linebacker than a cornerback, and that's not Antoine's forte. That is not what helped him win the Jim Thorpe Award as the best defensive back in college in 2008. Much like Antonio Cromartie, his skills are best-suited for a position where he's covering one guy and making sure he doesn't get the ball rather than a spot where he might be blitzing, defending the run, and playing more zone than man.

Here's a good analogy. When Legedu Naanee first arrived on this Chargers football team, they marveled at his size, physique and toughness. Not to mention his versatility as a runner, blocker, passer and pass-catcher. The coaches' minds ran wild and for a few months they tried to turn him into an H-back. For those that don't know, an H-back is a player that essentially moves all over the field from TE to FB and even occasionally to WR. The experiment failed, for some reason, and Naanee was eventually moved back to WR. What has happened with Antoine Cason is not that different.

The only difference is that Naanee's proposed transformation took place on the practice field and in training camp, whereas Cason's happened on the playing field in front of every Chargers fan. His struggles in a position so different from the one he played in high school and college were very evident, and has led a lot to believe the guy is not a good defensive back. I don't believe this is the case, and through two games he's looked very good as the outside CB. As a matter of fact, that may be why we're seeing more passes go to Quentin Jammer's side in preseason than we've seen in a few years: The WR on the other side is covered in a Cason blanket.

2) I just finished reading an article about Padres' phenom-pitcher Mat Latos and how much he's grown up in the last year. He spent most of his career, in high school and college, believing so much of his own hype that he refused to listen to coaches and other players when they tried to help him. He thought he was talented enough to be a star without their help, but is now having his most successful season after growing up as a person and letting some veteran pitchers and coaches into his inner circle. I would be surprised if Antoine Cason were going through a similar thing over the last season.

I didn't pay much attention to Antoine last season, except to note his exceptional talent, but I do remember the CB group being a group of individuals instead of a group like the o-line or d-line (who never seem to be more than 2 feet away from each other). We've heard whispers here and there about Ron Rivera's disappointment in Antoine after the terrible Steelers game, both in the player's game preparation and what he was willing to give on the field. Who knows how much is true, but I've seen a player in camp and the preseason that wants to be a part of a team in the defensive secondary rather than just an individual. He seems to always be around the veterans (Quentin Jammer and Nathan Vasher), trying to learn how to get better. I love seeing that.

 

LaDainian Tomlinson is gone! The league's worst running game is going to get worse!

Nobody in their right mind thought this, but that doesn't mean that plenty of people didn't say it. They did. They believed it was the offensive line's fault, not LT's. That LT was still an MVP-level runner and that a rookie would struggle even more behind the same group of guys.

Through roughly 1 full game of work, Ryan Mathews has run for 103 yards on 21 carries (4.9 YPC). That's exactly what this offense is looking for from their running back. The last time Tomlinson averaged 4.9 YPC was in his record-breaking 2006 season. The last time he average a 4+ YPC was in 2007. I know it's just the preseason but, just from watching the kid run and with him going up against first-string, it looks like he should be able to average 4+ YPC over the course of the season as long as the O-line stays healthy.

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I AINT A SKEERED OF NO ONE!

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by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Aug 24, 2010 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I know this might seem blasphemous, but is there a possibility that Brandyn Dombrowski is a better LT (or maybe, at this point in their careers, a better fit for this offense) than Marcus McNeill.

While I wouldn’t go so far as to say Brandyn is better than MM, I’ve started to wonder this: how would we know?

Even if MM is better (a strong possibility), what’s the tangible difference between the two? One more sack given up a game? One more sack every 3 games? A slightly lower rushing average over the left side (which would probably be impossible to sort out anyway)?

Even if Dombro was to give up a bad sack and get Rivers hurt (God strike me for even thinking such a thing!), there’s no way to know that MM wouldn’t have done a similar thing. As long as the offense is clicking and the points keep racking up, how will we know when to miss MM?

Just a thought that’s been rattling around.my head

by CABurrito on Aug 24, 2010 12:26 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Sacks from the right and yardage to the left
how would we know?

To me the measures is pretty simple. He has two simple outcomes to acheive. Keep his guy from making the sack; and keep his guy from making the tackle.

by Trendsearcher on Aug 24, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

And what’s the biggest difference it could be? 5 sacks over the course of the season? 10? Seems unlikely it could effect too much, at least at an aggregate level.

by CABurrito on Aug 24, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree the process is much more complex

I was only focusing on the two most simplistic and basic outcomes.

At the end of the day if you can’t blame any sacks on the LT, and the team can run left. We can forgive a whole lot of the details.

If Rivers gets blind-sided 2 to 3 times each game. We’d begin to obsess on the process, even if the LT is scoring high play over play.

by Trendsearcher on Aug 25, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

You get me.

Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.

by John Gennaro on Aug 24, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just keep the P.R. Machine healthy

That’s all that matters.

What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 24, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

This years team looks better to me

The defense has impressed me a lot, the D – Line looks much better than I expected it to and the defense as a whole looks like it is going to be better than last season.

Getting rid of LT assured the Chargers of some improvement in the running game, but Mathews has looked both quicker and stronger than I expected. There should be a big jump in the running games production.

I am alone on my concerns, but I still think the team is thin at WR and O – Line. Mooch is the only proven back up on the line (while there is high praise and hope for Green).
Rivers talent will get the most out of the receiving corp this season but I am not ready to buy into the talk of how great CBD, Josh Reed, Tutu and the rest of the crew are.

by JeromeB on Aug 24, 2010 12:52 PM PDT reply actions  

DL

I agree here. This was biggest surprise to me. I was advocating (much to the chagrin of people here more knowledgeable to me ) that the Chargers needed a draft a DL. Honestly I didnt care if it was a nose or a 5T or even both, I was just tired of the patch work front three. I was wrong here to be continued

IMO

by Foilhat on Aug 24, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

My only worries are if we suffer either an injury to Philip or multiple injuries at either O-line or wideout.

Bolts from the Blue // "Sometimes you would get the sense that people felt bigger than the team," Gates said. "Not to say it was an issue, but we know it’s not an issue for sure now."
Bloody Elbow // "I'm not Dog the Bounty Hunter, I don't issue apologies. And you're not going to be the first one to get one out of me." - Chael Sonnen

by Richard Wade on Aug 24, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh.

“My only worries are if we suffer massive injuries.” Pretty much the same goes for every team in football.

by Zach (maestro876) on Aug 25, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not true. There are teams where even minor injuries would be enough to ruin their season. :)

Bolts from the Blue // "Sometimes you would get the sense that people felt bigger than the team," Gates said. "Not to say it was an issue, but we know it’s not an issue for sure now."
Bloody Elbow // "I'm not Dog the Bounty Hunter, I don't issue apologies. And you're not going to be the first one to get one out of me." - Chael Sonnen

by Richard Wade on Aug 25, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the key word in the title of article is "Team"

As a “team” they are better than last year. Last year they had enough talent and and super-powered offense to win them. This year we still have almost the same amount of talent (or you could say the same if depending on Mathews vs. Tomlinson, Cro vs. Cason and Healthy OL without McNeil vs unhealthy OLine with him), but the team seems more capable of working together to be a winner.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't

by Wonko on Aug 24, 2010 12:54 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I agree.

And being more balanced on offense as opposed to one-dimensional should help translate into more in-game success. For example, the playoff game against the Jets. They weren’t that great against the run. An honest-to-god-real-live-rushing-attack would have helped the offense actually score points in that game.

by Zach (maestro876) on Aug 25, 2010 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

AHEM
If we were so vastly improved on the OL, wouldn’t some of our other backs be looking a lot better? You can see the severe drop-off between a Mathews & a Marcus Mason.

Mason, being a 2nd/3rd string RB, is running behind the Bolts’ 2nd/3rd string O-line….which is just awful.

I agree with almost everything else you said. I think you have to keep Vasher because Strickland/Gregory/Oliver aren’t really meant to play on the outside. Last year we didn’t need a Vasher there in case of injury to Cro/jammer because we had Cason waiting, but this year we need that backup plan.

Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.

by John Gennaro on Aug 24, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

And LT's #s behind a suspect OL?

Both aspects of the running game are vital, but fresh legs do go a long way towards making an OL look good.

You may be right about needing a b/u plan on the outside, but Vasher as that plan gives me cold chills.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Aug 25, 2010 3:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent & Rec'd.

This could have been a FanPost.

Bolts from the Blue // "Sometimes you would get the sense that people felt bigger than the team," Gates said. "Not to say it was an issue, but we know it’s not an issue for sure now."
Bloody Elbow // "I'm not Dog the Bounty Hunter, I don't issue apologies. And you're not going to be the first one to get one out of me." - Chael Sonnen

by Richard Wade on Aug 24, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Second this

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Aug 24, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last Year's Preseason

I wonder if people who are worried have forgotten about how many sacks the O-line gave up last preseason. I seem to remember a general fan-wide freak out after the Atlanta gave because Rivers went down so many times. I don’t remember how many of those were on McNeill, but certainly they’ve performed better as a unit so far this preseason than they did last preseason.

by Cake or Death on Aug 24, 2010 1:31 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Last year there was a mild freak out regarding our defensive front pressure

And this year it seems like there is a better push.

Actually they scored 75 points in the four pre-season games last year. I don’t remember much #1 Offense during those games. So by total score we might judge that our depth is not as good as last year, but I don’t think it is.

And I don’t recall an inordinate number of sacks surrendered.

by Trendsearcher on Aug 24, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I made a little mistake. They only gave up 1 sack in the Atlanta preseason game in 2009.

However, Rivers was sacked 4 times (including twice in a row) by Arizona the week before, all in the first quarter. In total, he had been sacked 5 times going into week 3 of the preseason. Concurrently, he’s only been knocked down once this year so far and that’s against much better defenses than the Seahawks and Arizona.

by Cake or Death on Aug 24, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Turner and this preseason

I have to give props to Norv. I was very skeptical of him as coach, but this preseason is actually making me appreciate him. This is his team now and it looks pretty good.

My only concern is that I hope he works on toughening up Kaeding. Johnny Wooden used to contrive pressure situations by requiring his players to make free throws in order for the team “win” their release from practice. Can’t Norv have Kaeding kicking field goals to release the team from Oklahoma drills?

by The Gorn on Aug 24, 2010 1:52 PM PDT reply actions  

I think it would be more interesting

if Norv would have Kaeding make free throws in order for the team to be released from practice.

by JeromeB on Aug 24, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kaeding has hit a lot of game winners/tyers in his career. It’s only the playoffs he honks them. I don’t think getting practice over even approaches the intensity of a regular season game winner. There’s simply no way to create playoff atmosphere presssure. You can’t put an entire season, an entire year of practice and games in the balance of one kick in any practice.

by Orz on Aug 24, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've grown disgusted by this team's elitist attitude over the last few years ...

…as propagated by the likes of LT, Cro, VJ, JWill (Game Over!) and Mr. Big Love himself. Enough of those guys. Let’s get back to under-the-radar, smash-mouth, fight-for-what-you-want OVERachieving.

If you ask me – and granted no one is — the team needs a good solid kick in the nuts to wake itself up. I’m not honestly sure that this coaching regime has the ability to deliver that, and it’s sad to think that no other team in the AFC West is able to provide it either.

by Andy (allfield) on Aug 24, 2010 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

but the question is:

is this year’s team more in need of a nut kicking than last year’s team?

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 24, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Elitist?

I love it. When LT was crushing records, he was a fiery competitor. Now that he’s human again, he’s elitist.

J Wills “Game Over” was awesome, and its the kind of confidence you need from a defender. He was also hurt all last year, so I’m not really sure how he was bringing us down.

This team has won 4 straight division titles. They’ve won playoff games, took a hard luck trip to the AFC title game, and lost a few others on flukey plays and some uncharacteristic Kaeding misses. If anything, last year was a big case of overachieving, given LT’s decline and the rash of injuries they suffered.

The only one I may agree with is Cro, since his attitude clearly did mess things up in the secondary.

by CABurrito on Aug 24, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Points well taken

I primarily refer to the lethargic way the team starts games and seasons — as if they’ll win simply by virtue of their reputation. And an attitude that suggests that between snorts of their Grey Poupon, they’re muttering, “Why should I try hard? Someone else will surely pick up the slack.” Can’t say as I’ve heard or used the word “fire” or “passion” to describe Charger play in a while.

by Andy (allfield) on Aug 24, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

That moment with Jamal

will go down as one of my all-time favorite Charger moments.

There’s a big difference between a MAN making that statement & the punk actions of a dumb kid like Cromartie.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Aug 25, 2010 3:39 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The one referenced above as "elitist"

Where he announced “game over” when we won the OT coin flip vs., I believe, the Broncos?

My memory ain’t so good with specifics. ;-)

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Aug 25, 2010 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks, I went on a little internet adventure

It was during the 2008-2009 playoffs against Indy at home.
When Sproles scored the ~25-35 yard score to knock of Indy and
send us to NE against the 17-0 Patriots.

by riversformvp on Aug 25, 2010 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you!

How could I have forgotten such a momentous occasion?

It is now forever inscribed on my left frontal lobe.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Aug 25, 2010 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

didn't it send us

to the steelers?

the 17-0 pats were in 07-08.

by Its Mikey!! on Aug 25, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

That was the Steelers game where we didn’t even touch the ball for 99% of the third quarter. That was ugly to watch.

by SDreal on Aug 25, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oops

I keep mixing up which year the Pats when 18-0.
But yeah, it was to meet the Steelers.

by riversformvp on Aug 26, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

The people have spoken

This team is loaded with talent at every single position and has no weak spots on the roster at all. It may be the most talented team in the history of the NFL, if the Chargers don’t go 16-0 and cruise through the post season it will be a major shock, 72 Dolphins look out.

by JeromeB on Aug 25, 2010 12:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Naw... we are thin at WR and DB

And I don’t like our FB’s. Definitely not the all time most talented team. Can they win? Yes. Can they win the division? Probably.

I think we need to get into the regular season to really gage, whether they are one of the better teams in the league. They certainly could be.

by Trendsearcher on Aug 25, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the Chargers are one of the teams

that has a chance to win it all this season. Its just funny how everyone seems to get amped up before each season and think that their team is a little more talented then they probably are. I guess thats part of the fun. This team is really good, but there are some question marks and a few concerns, even if people don’t want to see them.

by JeromeB on Aug 25, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've given this some more thought.

I’m really not sold on 40% of the starters on the offensive line, though I wouldn’t say I’m worried. I’m worried about our ability to rush the passer. Our complete lack of depth on the outside at corner is terrifying. The safety position is more interesting than troubling, but I’d have a hard time calling it a strength. If Burnett can’t stay on the field, I don’t really like our inside linebacker situation very much. Neither Tolbert nor Hester is much of a blocker.

Overall, the team is still probably top five in the NFL, though, largely because of Philip Rivers and a lack of major weaknesses anywhere.

Bolts from the Blue // "Sometimes you would get the sense that people felt bigger than the team," Gates said. "Not to say it was an issue, but we know it’s not an issue for sure now."
Bloody Elbow // "I'm not Dog the Bounty Hunter, I don't issue apologies. And you're not going to be the first one to get one out of me." - Chael Sonnen

by Richard Wade on Aug 25, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey don't bring me down

by going too far the other way.
Actually I agree pretty much with your concerns, except for some odd reason I feel fine with the CB position.

by JeromeB on Aug 25, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Vasher would have played better

I would have felt better too. But Vasher is turning out to be exactly what John said he’d be – a #2 CB.

I was hoping for a direct replacement for Cro.

by Trendsearcher on Aug 26, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

in Vasher?!?

Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.

by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

the trade hype played up his speed, and his early success before the injuries. AJ paid him some decent money, so I thought he had a chance to be a #1.

Barring injuries it doesn’t seem like Vasher is going to be a #1 CB for the Chargers any time soon.

by Trendsearcher on Aug 26, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am most concerned about the Raiders than the Broncos

The Broncos just can’t seem to keep a healthy RB and I really don’t like Josh.

I’m always worried about the Silver and Black. But this year I think they’ve made some big improvements over last season. And that Raider team last year was not as bad as their record might seem. Trouble.

KC? I’ll give ‘em game #1 on Monday night. After that? I just don’t know how they get over any of the rest of the teams.

by Trendsearcher on Aug 25, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Better players don't always make for a better TEAM

I think that this years chargers TEAM is going to be better than last years despite not having the “better” players from last year. Take the Padres for example, as a whole they don’t have great players (far from it in some cases), but there is no denying that they are one of the best TEAMS in baseball this year. Chemistry and a common goal can make “lesser” players into great teams.

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~~~All generalizations are bad~~~

by Danister on Aug 26, 2010 12:01 PM PDT reply actions  

I think that's a misconception about the Padres

But, the concept does work better in football where being a better team and working together can actually affect the results on the football field.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't

by Wonko on Aug 26, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

A lot of the Padres position players are grossly underrated because they derive a lot of their value from fielding and their offensive numbers are suppressed by the ballpark.

Bolts from the Blue // "Sometimes you would get the sense that people felt bigger than the team," Gates said. "Not to say it was an issue, but we know it’s not an issue for sure now."
Bloody Elbow // "I'm not Dog the Bounty Hunter, I don't issue apologies. And you're not going to be the first one to get one out of me." - Chael Sonnen

by Richard Wade on Aug 26, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not a serious Pads fan here but

It seems like the team built a pitcher’s park to cope with their smaller market. It seems like all the big free agent money goes to position players that generate the offense, not so much to the solid defensive players.

In Petco, they can remain competitive (during the season) with the teams fielding the big named free agents. Of course the strategy completely falls apart in October.

The Padres – always a bride’s maid, never a bride.

by Trendsearcher on Aug 27, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Name one big name free agent that was on the 2008 Phillies.

Pedro Feliz? Adam Eaton?

What about the 2006 Cardinals.
David Eckstein? Scott Spiezio?

2005 White Sox.
Tadahito Iguchi? I guess you could say Jermaine Dye, but he didn’t make big money until after the World Series year.

I could keep going. The 2003 Marlins didn’t really have a big name free agent signing. Same goes for the 2002 Angels.

Big name free agent signings and World Series titles do not necessarily go hand in hand. Have they helped the Yankees (ARod, Damon, Teixeira, Matsui, Burnett, Sabathia, etc) and Red Sox (Ramirez, Damon, Drew, Matsuzaka)? Sure, but it’s by no means a make-or-break thing for a World Series Champion. Building from within and trades (using what you built from within) is always the key to success in baseball. And football too.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't

by Wonko on Aug 27, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

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