Pacstud's O-Line Analysis: Cowboys (1st Half)
by pacstud on Aug 23, 2010 8:50 PM PDT
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Chargers Pre-Season Week 2
Opponent: Dallas Cowboys
Date: August 21, 2010
Drive 1
1. 1-10; -20
Blue Pro Rt.
23 Iso
LT-2; LG-0; C-1; RG-2; RT-2
Igor shed Dielman easily. Hardwick secures block but gets driven back into FB. FB doesn’t get Mike and GMP. Vasquez does very well.
2. 2-6; -24
Pro Lt. Weak Y-Flanker
RB Screen Rt.
LT-2; LG-2; C-1; RG-2; RT-2
Dielman has a nice peel back. Hardwick falls and can’t lead. Vasquez does very well again.
3. 1-10; -48
Pro Wing Rt.
23 Iso
LT-2; LG-2; C-1; RG-2; RT-2
FB runs into Dielman and doesn’t get Mike. Hardwick again gets pushed into hole. Right side does very well. Both TE and Wing do well.
4. 2-5; 47
Pro Lt. Twins Rt. SB
61 Pro
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-2
Right side has nice cut blocks.
5. 3-5; 47
22 Gun Lt.
70 Pro
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-1; RT-2
Clary does very well. Vasquez is a tad slow on the switch and gives up a pressure. Gates blocks well (I must note this whenever it happens ;) )
6. 1-10; 32
Ace Y-Flanker Tight
26 Iso
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-2
Vasquez and Clary have a very nice double to LB. Wilson can’t block Ware, otherwise it’s there.
7. 2-6; 28
Pro Wing Rt.
23 Iso
LT-2; LG-1.5; C-2; RG-2; RT-1
Hardwick and Vasquez have nice double to LB. Clary has a nice RR (Rip and Reach) but misses the cut block on the safety. Very good from Domb. Dielman does well, needs to stay on just a hair longer. Hester does well. Wilson’s GMP from the backside Wing. Legs does very well as the Y.
8. 3-2; 24
Ace Twins Rt. Y-Flanker
727 PA Max Pro
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-2
Strategy time (or “strat” time for 1CGB). Watch the RG pull…watch the Will and Safety…they freeze like deer in the headlights. Beautiful.
9. 1-10; 13
Pro Wing Rt.
70 Pro
LT-2; LG-1; C-2; RG-2; RT-2
OK Chicken Littles (don’t worry, Domb gives up a sack later with Volek in)…Domb is not at fault for the backside pressure. This is gap protection. That means each lineman is responsible for a gap, not a man. Obviously, the protection is sliding left. This means Domb has C, Dielman has B, and Hardwick has A. Dielman gets snapped down immediately, hosing everything. Hardwick has no one and tries to reduce the now cavernous B gap. Domb handles the rush, and watch carefully, slides the defender across his body and is only blocking with his right side when the defender enters B gap. This is correct as it allows him to release if necessary and protect HIS gap, the C gap. Unfortunately, he has no one to pass to as Dielman is AWOL. Hardwick tries to help but gap is too big (oh, and the defender is pretty good I’ve heard). Besides, TDEK got beat like a child and it was all going down anyway.
10. 2-16; 19
Blue Twins Rt. Y-Up
61 Pro
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-1
Clary gives up too much ground and is in River’s lap.
Drive 2
11. 1-10; 40
Pro Wing Rt.
28 Sweep
LT-2; LG-1; C-2; RG-2; RT-2
Domb has a nice cut. Dielman chips the LB, but his GMP. Good TE blocking, Hester does ok. Nice pulling from Vasquez and Clary.
12. 2-6; 36
Pro Rt.
23 Iso
LT-2; LG-2; C-1; RG-1; RT-2
Again, Hardwick is squeezed into the hole. FB doesn’t adjust path and misses the Mike, again.
13. 3-4; 34
22 Gun Rt.
60 Pro
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-2
Very good all around, especially Domb.
14. 4-4; 34
13 Gun Lt.
61 Pro
LT-2; LG-2; C-1.5; RG-2; RT-2
RB leaves too quick imo. Center a tad slow to recognize and adjust to stunt with help left.
15. 1-10; 28
Pro Rt. Twins Lt. SB Y-Flanker
RB Screen Lt.
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-2
We’ve covered this one enough. Slow down a bit TDEK and check those angles. Nice play.
16. 1-10; 15
Ace Y-Flanker
29 Power
LT-1.5; LG-1; C-1; RG-2; RT-2
Domb’s block is secured, but his release screams miscommunication. He releases early as he would if receiving help. Somewhere a mistake was made. Dielman and Hardwick can’t get off the double team and so the LB goes unblocked. If Wilson can get inside Ware properly, this play goes house. Very good from Vasquez.
17. 2-6; 11
Pro Twins Rt. Y-Up
28 Toss
LT-1.5; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-2
A nice crack from 80 goes awry. It takes out Vasquez. Legs is holding like crazy. Hester misses the Mike, who was blocked, and hits the DE. Very nice cut from Dielman and a nice pull from Clary.
18. 3-1; 6
Texas Y-Flanker
30 Wedge
LT-1; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-2
Domb can’t get his head across, Clary does very well.
19. 1-G; 3
Pro Wing Rt.
23 Iso
LT-2; LG-2; C-1.5; RG-2; RT-2
Hardwick can’t quite secure the LB and GMP, but great push on double team with Vasquez. Left side is great. Hester does very well.
20. 2-G; 1
Texas Wing Rt.
24 Iso
LT-2; LG-2; C-1.5; RG-2; RT-1
Hester does well again. Gates totally whiffs. McMichael gets handled as well. If I haven’t mentioned it already, Dallas has some really good OLBs.
21. 3-G; 1
Texas Wing Rt.
QB Sneak
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-2
Drive 3
22. 1-10; -22
Texas Rt. Strong
Z-End Around (Off 26 Power Fake)
LT-2; LG-2; C-1; RG-2; RT-2
Hardwick has a nice release, but Ware is too good and Hardwick never has a chance. He has no choice but to bypass to second level and say a prayer for Legs. Very good job from Domb.
23. 2-18; -14
Pro Rt.
23 Iso
LT-2; LG-1.5; C-0; RG-2; RT-2
Hardwick falls, doesn’t chip NT, and misses the LB. Vasquez still gets the DT! Wow! Domb does well, Dielman needs to stay on longer. Hester always blocks with his shoulder looking down. Where have all the FBs gone! Btw, watching other games, there are only two good blocking FBs in the NFL and fat Rex has em both L
24. 3-15; -17
22 Gun Lt.
RB Screen Rt.
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-2
Dielman has a nice peel. Hardwick does very well. Vasquez, go find someone else!
Drive 4
25. 1-10; -6
MISSED PLAY
SCREW YOU DALLAS COWBOY NETWORK!
26. 2-8; -8
Pro Rt. Weak
70 Pro
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-2
Dielman and Hardwick execute a nice switch.
27. 1-10; -21
Pro Rt. Weak
23 Iso
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-1
Hester can’t sustain. Nice job from Domb. Hardwick and Vasquez have a sweet double to LB. Clary gets leveraged and shed.
28. 2-6; -25
13 Gun Lt.
61 Pro
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-1; RT-2
Vasquez gets beat by a swim move and gives up a pressure.
29. 1-10; -30
22 Gun Rt.
60 Pro
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-2
Left side picks up a stunt easily.
30. 2-9; -31
Ace
26 Power (I’ve been waiting eagerly for this ;) )
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-2
Very well blocked. Sproles is too quick to B gap and has to jump cut to C. Precious milliseconds lost. Chill Sprolesy.
31. 3-6; -34
Blue Twins Lt.
70 Pro
LT-2; LG-2; C-1; RG-1; RT-2
Hardwick and Vasquez struggle to switch on their stunt. They get split and end up losing the looper all together. Very good from Clary.
32. 1-10; -42
Pro Wing Lt. Twins Rt. SB
29 Sweep
LT-2; LG-1; C-2; RG-2; RT-2
Watch Dombo…sweet pancake. Dielman can’t get the safety (tall order). Hardwick does well.
33. 2-1; 49
Pro Rt.
23 Iso
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-1
Clary gets shed. Hester does well. Hardwick and Vasquez work the double nicely.
34. 1-10; 43
13 Gun Lt.
50 Pro
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-2
Easy.
35. 2-10; 43
Pro Lt. Nasty Twins Rt. SB
724 PA Pro
LT-2; LG-1.5; C-2; RG-2; RT-1
Dielman is too committed to the double and late to switch, no harm though. Clary gives up too much ground and allows a QB pressure.
36. 1-10; 25
Ace
26 Power
LT-2; LG-2; C-1; RG-2; RT-1
Dombo gets another pancake. Dielman does very well. Hardwick gets driven back on solo. Clary falls when coming off the double to try and get the Will.
37. 2-8; 23
Pro Lt. Strong
27 Iso
LT-2; LG-1; C-1; RG-2; RT-2
Dielman and Hardwick can’t move the double or get off it to get Will, who is unblocked.
38. 3-3; 18
Y-Trips Rt. Open Lt. Y-Flanker SB
60 Pro
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-2
Left side handles the switch easily. 81 gives up a pressure.
Drive 5
39. 1-10; -28
22 Gun Rt.
60 Pro
LT-1; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-2
Domb gives up the pressure.
40. 2-10; -28
Blue Twins Rt.
27 Power
LT-2; LG-1; C-1; RG-2; RT-2
Good double from Domb and Dielman. Dielman bounces off the Will and GMP. Hardwick misses the looping DE and GMP (tough p/u). Vasquez has a nice pull.
41. 3-5; -33
Blue Twins Rt.
50 Pro
LT-1; LG-2; C-1; RG-2; RT-2
There is a triple switch on the left side, and the bookends are too slow.
42. 1-10; -38
Blue Twins Rt.
50 Pro
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-2
43. 2-10; -38
Pro Lt. Nasty Twins Rt. SB
61 Pro
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-2
44. 1-10; -48
Pro Rt. Nasty Twins Lt. SB
725 PA Pro
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-0
I don’t think they could/should switch (Vasquez and Clary) Clary was beaten too badly off initial contact.
45. 2-17; -41
13 Gun Lt.
RB Screen Lt.
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-1; RT-1
Dielman does well. Vasquez is too slow on his release. Clary gives a bit too much ground (He is supposed to give quite a bit, but not this much…possible QB error, but I don’t think so) and QB gets hit.
46. 3-7; 49
13 Gun Lt.
61 Pro
LT-2; LG-2; C-2; RG-2; RT-2
End of Half
End of Analysis (sorry, no scrubbies this week)
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Love these posts ...
Appreciate the effort those goes into these. The trenches is where it’s won and lost. Need the same on the D-line or am I missing that post somewhere?
Once again
Good work & thanks. The announcers were awful, but I usually watch better with the sound off anyway.
Dielman is way ahead of where he was last year when the season began. Did we ever hear if there was injury involved there?
I love Vasquez. Still a little rough around the edges at times, but he has the demeanor that you’d like to have in all of your OL. Just a nasty, get-after-it kind of guy.
Clary is picking back up where he left off. He certainly has his share of detractors. Does he have the greatest foot work/speed? Hell no – but he never lets up & works hard on technique. I’ll take that over a gifted lazy ass every day.
LT will be alright, particularly in the run game. Longer developing plays will need blocking help from a TE and/or RB. This is where I see one of the biggest needs for improvement. Mathews etc. need to get up to speed quickly on their assignments & recognition.
Has the extra weight helped Nick? Not so sure that it has helped or hindered. Still getting pushed around a little too much for my liking.
I just don’t see Hester as much of a lead blocker in the run game. He gives a good effort but isn’t built for the role. I would have kept Cory Jackson around awhile longer to give him a look in pre-season.
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Hardwick's low scores might be a concern
I was expecting the Cowboys to bring the pressure at the edge, but it sure seems like they brought it up the gut instead. Maybe the Chargers were focusing their protection to the outside, which kind of isolated Hardwick.
I mean if the Guard and Tackle are moving away from center on either side, it kinda leaves Hardwick with two gaps to cover. So was Hardwick’s head on swivel? Or should we be concerned that he’s lost a step?
Given Nick’s good performance last week, I am inclined to blame it on the Cowboys.
by Trendsearcher on Aug 24, 2010 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Well
It’s the difference between a 3-4 and a 4-3. Hardwick’s scores will always be lower against 3-4 teams as he is covered by a NT. He struggled to go one on one (as to be expected) but did really well with his doubles for the most part. As for pass pro, he is never left with two gaps, as that would be unsound. He does have to swivel, as they all do, to help if they are not busy…even if that help isn’t “their assignment”.
I’m very pleased with Hardwick so far.
When all else fails....
run Iso!
Ratliff is one of the best NTs in the league.
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by John Gennaro on Aug 25, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
This is true. Ratliff is a beast.
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by Richard Wade on Aug 25, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm a little worried about Dielman
He is still better than average, but I don’t think he really is living up to his pro-bowl billing. He seems to have most of his struggles in combo blocks or in schemes where he has to be aware of what others are doing. I think he is still nails in pulling and when he is one-on-one.
He is a little young to be losing a step, but I think complacency was a problem last year. I distinctly remember my wife pointing out what a big gut he had. Of course at the time I responded, “He is Kris Dielman, he is a finely tuned athletic machine.” But as the season went on, I too started to wonder at his conditioning level, especially the amount of work he is willing to put in over the off-season.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 24, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Some truth
It bears watching, but I’ve said many times he is asked to do a lot. He pulls and moves more than any other lineman, and in Norv’s scheme the guards have a lot of responsibility. I wouldn’t panic just yet, but I’d love more consistency from Dielman.
When all else fails....
run Iso!
Just curious about the TEs PacStud
I know you only grade the TEs and FBs when they have a blocking assignment. But I am curious about the TEs. Even on those plays where they go into a pattern, often they get a chip on the LBs at the line, kind of half a block.
Should the TE be part of your line score all the time, instead of only the front five?
Obviously there is an exception when they are in a spread formation. It just seems that as a rule the TE’s are part of the blocking scheme when it comes to run plays, and much of the time on pass plays.
lol
When I first did this last year (you can find archives at the CMB), I graded all blockers. It simply became too time consuming. As it is, 50 plays will take me about 5 hours to grade and post, sometimes longer. Adding FBs and TEs is too much. I will continue to comment if they’re involved in the play, but can’t grade them every play :(
If a TE or back is involved in the pass pro, I will note it based on the protecion scheme. 50 is five man, 60/61 is six man, 70 is seven man, and 70 Max is eight man.
You are correct though, that the TEs and FB play a MAJOR role in analyzing our blocking, which is why I didn’t care for the knock on our O-line last year. I felt our RB and TE/FB/WR blocking were the primary woes in the run game.
When all else fails....
run Iso!
Not the O Line?
I felt our RB and TE/FB/WR blocking were the primary woes in the run game
With the absence of Hardwick, and the position rotations, and the patchwork of free agents you didn’t think that line play was primary? Well John would probably put the better part of the blame on LT’s old legs. For me, if that front 5 are doing their job well it makes up for many deficiencies elsewhere.
Just curious PacStud, what is you’re opinion on MMs run blocking last season? To me it just seemed like they could run left at all.
by Trendsearcher on Aug 24, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes
Sorry, I forgot to mention the injuries. MCow at Center and Domb at RG (briefly) and even Domb at RT hurt us tremendously. Good point.
MM was extremely inconsistent with his run blocking. He was actually worse on the backside, and took plays off sometimes. In the NFL, if you don’t block backside, that guy WILL make the play.
When all else fails....
run Iso!
PacStud does it again.
Awesome post keep up the good work.
by Nutz bout Boltz on Aug 24, 2010 7:38 AM PDT reply actions
Luvvit.
So you think Dombo will be fine? Or is this just the preseason talking?
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 24, 2010 8:25 AM PDT reply actions
The question that is lingering in many minds now is
What happens if Dombo gets hurt?
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
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If Dombo gets hurt, and Green can't do it...
Break glass on McN contract, don’t guarantee too much, hope to survive three weeks, trade his @$$ (with two capital dollar-signs) after the season for a first-round pick.
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 24, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Fortunately...
… we have an extended preseason, in OL terms. Chiefs and Jaguars and Seahawks, oh my.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 24, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Not on board.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
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Hmmm... how to do this?
A multiyear contract with a potentially-expensive buy-out that can be exercised any time after 3/1/11, before he plays his next game, in addition to a roster bonus (just to avoid any “guarantee” language in the new CBA). Beginning 2011, it’d be solid-but-not-great OT money (well into the top ten), in a normal-looking deal. In 2010, it’s $600k with a very large ($10M?) incentive triggered by playing ten snaps or something, less 5% for each full regular-season or postseason game the team plays before it’s triggered. This reduction also applies to the buy-out. If he’s traded, the new team must pay the full incentive, no 5%/week reduction, no buy-out.
Then both parties are absolutely sure what they’ve got. McN could be traded at any time and pick up big moolah, otherwise he gets paid $600k to stay in shape and occasionally show up to practice, plus about $2M+$500k/game remaining if he gets on the field (less if he first shows up in the postseason). If the team parts ways with him in light of the new contract, they give him another moderate chunk of change, or a large one if he plays a bunch of games.
This way, he gets to be “on the roster” immediately, and while the two sides have to hammer out their terms, they don’t actually have to agree. Yeah, Spanos has to fork over $600k (probably $1M when it’s all said and done) for a backup, but boo hoo. They know they have their line resolved (if Green, McNeill and Mooch are your backups, that’s called “having it made”), they can let the new guys compete for a PS spot or a #9 lineman spot, they can trade him to a team that can handle a reasonably pricey deal for a reasonably good player, and if they start him, they pay him what he’s worth.
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 24, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, and he doesn't have to sit 3 games after you need him.
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 24, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow that is complicated...
How about we just let MM stew for the next two years instead?
We’d be saving all that paper it would take to write out that contract. And my head wouldn’t hurt so much from try to figure ^ that ^ deal out.
by Trendsearcher on Aug 24, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Who cares about complicated?
It solves everybody’s problems.
• McNeill and the team get to put a number on the deal.
• McNeill gets respect; he either gets paid to hang out and be the “big man on campus” or he gets real starter’s money.
• McNeill gets either a long-term deal he can live with or a big chunk of guaranteed money.
• The team gets to renegotiate the deal in light of the CBA, though they have to work in a big bonus if they do.
• If the team doesn’t need him, it only has to give him backup money this year, and find a place to trade him; he’s absolutely guaranteed, in writing, to command a respectable contract, and he and his agent can’t screw it up Jackson-style, meaning any suitors know exactly what they’re getting.
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 24, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Not on board.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
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Elaborate?
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 25, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not on board with your ideas about signing Marcus McNeill.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
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by Wonko on Aug 25, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yes, yes...
But can you answer the question, “what is the point of departure?”
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 25, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Or rather, please do.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 25, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don't really have any reason to bring back McNeill
I want to go forward and figure out if Dombrowski is the starter and if not then get someone who can be. I’m okay with McNeill sticking around as backup, but no way in hell he’d do that.
I just don’t think we can go forward depending on McNeill to be our LT, especially if he thinks he’s a premiere left tackle and should be paid like it. We need to move on.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
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by Wonko on Aug 26, 2010 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
See, this is the middle ground between the two.
If McN isn’t needed, he hangs out, not quite like he is holding out, but he collects a million bucks. Yes, technically he’s a “backup” but it’s not the same thing, respect-wise. The moment he steps out on the field, he’s a starter with a starter’s contract. Until then, he’s collecting a check to work out and maybe practice once a week. Oh, and he has this great seat at football games, and doesn’t have to suit up.
As for the team, they get to see Dombrowski in action. They don’t have to pay McN more than they would have had to pay any veteran backup, so long as they keep him inactive. Then, if they need him, they have him, and he doesn’t have to miss three games. Dombo knows he’s not just competing with Green; if he fails, in comes Big Mac.
Big Mac picks up a lot of trade value too: he can be traded before the deadline without missing three games. He can also be traded after the season without the Chargers using their tag on him and without the other team having to work out their own deal with all the pitfalls involved.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 26, 2010 5:02 AM PDT up reply actions
As this on folds, not signing the tender is really coming back to haunt MM
- He’d have 3 M for this season.
- He would have had the chance to negotiate with the team. And maybe a deal would not have happened, but it opens up many (possibilities trade, sign and trade)
- He would have logged that additional year.
Now it looks like the Chargers win either way. He comes back at the lower tender or the team gets a compensatory selection. And MM looses either way. He does not get paid this year and/or looses the opportunity to play at this crucial stage of his career for one or two years.
Dang I wish he had cashed that 3 million dollar check when he had it in his hand.
by Trendsearcher on Aug 26, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't want to deal with it
Just let him be (gone). Not on board.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
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