Vincent Jackson Talking Contract with Seahawks
by John Gennaro on Aug 20, 2010 3:08 PM PDT
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The Seahawks have been granted written permission by the San Diego Chargers to discuss contract terms with holdout Vincent Jackson, Seattle general manager John Schneider said through a team spokesman Friday.
This is kindof funny/ironic to me, because the other day in his report from Chargers Training Camp Kevin Acee hinted that perhaps trade talks between these two teams might heat up after they play each other. The insinuation was that the Chargers wouldn't want to play against Vincent Jackson if they didn't have to, although perhaps that was just the way I heard it.
After thinking for a moment, I checked the Chargers' schedule. "Wait a second! These two teams play in Week 3!" How many games was Vincent Jackson suspended again? I would need my calculator for this one:
THREE! That means even if the Chargers traded Vincent Jackson to the Seattle Seahawks right this very second, the only chance they'd have of playing against him would be in the Super Bowl or in 4 years from now when he's probably going to be terrible.
I'm a genius for figuring this out, and I promptly explained my logic to nobody at all....which definitely got back to A.J. Smith, who undoubtedly slapped his forehead and said "Of course!" before picking up the phone and calling the Seahawks GM.
Anyways, this means little at the moment except for the fact that the Chargers don't see the Jackson situation going anywhere. The two teams still need to come to terms on agreeable trade terms (the Broncos got a two 2nd round picks from the Dolphins for Brandon Marshall, so that'd be a good place to start) and the Seahawks need to give Vincent the years/money he wants for this thing to even have a chance.
I hear somebody on the Seahawks roster is pretty excited about this development, though.
"That dude with the chinstrap beard? No way!"
UPDATE: from Kevin Acee
According to league sources, a stalemate has been reached because Jackson’s agents are asking for $30 million guaranteed on a five-year, $50 million contract.
The same sources said the asking price from the Chargers is a second-rounder.
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Marshall was traded
for two second round picks, not one. Interesting trade scenario…both a great place from a strategic standpoint for him to end up, and encouraging that he won’t be completely useless for the Chargers.
Thanks for the heads up
I agree. There’s not really a better trading partner for the Chargers right now.
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by John Gennaro on Aug 20, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
It is also encouraging
To see AJ Smith no longer exhausting his resources. In the past he’s been criticized for getting ‘nothing’ for Michael Turner, Drew Brees, etc. and we’ve seen him use LT until he no longer operated. It’s nice to see him try to cash in on a player’s remaining value: Cromartie, Whitehurst, and now potentially Jackson.
I mean, how is this from an operations standpoint:
- spend a 2nd round pick on a receiver.
- develop said receiver and get 1 servicable year. one good season, and one great season out of him
- trade him for more than was originally spent on player, while never giving out a ‘market’ contract
Looks like a very successful model.
Funny post John
I was trying to decipher the Acee code too, and thinking to myself. “This guy is suspended to 3 games.. week three??”
IMO
how bout the Vikes
they appear to be going “all in” and the Harvin issue has to be at least a minor concern.
Of course, the Vikes are also a team we could conceivably be playing in the superbowl… That is, if THEY make it, i have no doubt we will!
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by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Aug 20, 2010 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s nobody that they’d be willing to give up that would help the Chargers at all. Unless…..
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by John Gennaro on Aug 20, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry. He's too sexy for our clipboard.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 20, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
First and Third right?
That was the price back in the spring. According to MM’s agent, we should be able to go back to that price and negocite up from there….
NOT
Second round choice is my guess.
Don't we already have their second?
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 20, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Or is that the third?
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 20, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
So Jackson plus a conditional pick for a first?
Maybe we throw in a third if he doesn’t hit some PT, reception or yardage total.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 20, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Check that
This is the same team that pretty much traded two 3rds for a player tendered at a 3rd. Vack should be worth at least two first to them
IMO
Wussup boys.
Seahawks’ fan here.
Gimme the scoop on this kid. Well, 27 isn’t exactly a kid. Anyhow, what kind of WR is he?
We have a serious logjam at WR at the moment: Housh, Mike Williams, Branch, Golden Tate, Deon Butler. Should the Hawks acquire Jackson from you, we’d definitely have to move someone (PLEASE PLEASE BRANCH PLEASE).
On or off the field....
On the field, great work ethic, nice down field speed, nice ability to go up and get the ball. As a player far outclasses what you now.
Off the field, a decent teammate then goes down hill from there….he has no clue what taxi’s are for with 2 DUI. He isn’t the brightest young man around….drove to the playoffs with music blaring and on suspended license. Now wants top dollar.
whats so funny
is that Jackson had a 4.0 all through college. he clearly is smart, just doesnt have common sense.
Life is like riding a bicycle, to keep your balance, you must keep moving.-Einstein
Haha, 4.0 in what, "communications"?
Huh. Let’s hope Seattle is boring enough for him not to get in trouble.
Not that it’s helping anyone else here.
Don't discount a 4.0
Doesn’t matter what you’re studying, a 4.0 is hard to get. The guy is intelligent but some habits die hard and he’s paying for them.
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
Hey, don't hate.
I’m probably going to major in communications! :(
by Fearless Frog on Aug 20, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
At least there will be alot of tail in your classes
Communications and phycology classes are never short on dumb hoes thats for sure
IMO
I majored in philosophy to help me pick 'em off in GE courses.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 20, 2010 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a bright spot at least.
Although I’m suspecting it’s going to be a sausage-fest since I want to be a sports journalist.
by Fearless Frog on Aug 20, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn straight.
Psilocybin 101, baby!
Not that I, uh, would ever endorse such a thing.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 21, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Solid player. Maybe overrated, but very good nonetheless.
Tall, but a good blocker.
Not super-fast, but quicker than you’d think given his build.
Excellent hands.
Usually wins fights for the ball.
All the negatives bo_shilo posted.
Posted 17.2 YPA on 59 receptions last year, competing for the ball with Gates and Floyd.
A very good player who looks better than he is, because he has the P.R. Machine pumping his numbers up.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 20, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
*17.2 YPC... sorry.
About 10 YPA, which is still insane.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 20, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Jackson is a rare talent
He has the size to beat any safety or corner, he can jump with the best receivers and he has good hands. He has nice speed, runs good routes and can consistently get open.
His trouble is that he can lose focus on and off the field. He clearly has some issues with being behind the wheel of a car which will cost him some playing time. He can lose focus on the field as well. If you remember, he spiked a ball after a first down without being tackled (he fell but wasn’t touched). Luckily the refs couldn’t figure out the correct call (or weren’t able to make the call…re:Hochuli). In the playoffs this past season, he actually thought it was a good idea to kick a challenge flag; automatic 15 yards right there).
There is no question concerning his talents. There are a ton of questions about his judgment.
by riversformvp on Aug 20, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a beast very simply
I think he’s around the top five at his position. Hasnt been really asked to do much after the catch because the Chargers offense is really built around more of the jump ball. This part of his craft really remains to be evaluated. What is sure though is Vjack can play above the rim and doesnt drop the football. Those I would say would be his best attributes. He also is fast for a receiver and very fast for his size. You can basically forget about having Branch be part of the deal his contract is not something the Chargers would want anything to do with. Now Butler is an interesting player tell me about him
IMO
Butler's kind of an enigma right now.
Small, quick, has great speed to go deep. Still very, very raw, and may never quite pan out. Also pretty hemmed in on the Seahawks’ depth chart, especially since he’s a little small and unreliable to play anywhere except the slot.
Honestly, though, there is a little talk around town that it’s TJ Housh that might be expendable.
And he's still relatively young w/ low mileage
Compared to the TOs and the Randy Moss’ type players. Basically he’s in that tall WR’s mold. He has a solid 2 to 3 years left in the tank. Two of which he’ll be blowing by sitting out with the Chargers. Why not get out out and give that value to another team, and get the Chargers something in compensation?
by Trendsearcher on Aug 23, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Make the trade
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by matthewverygood on Aug 20, 2010 3:54 PM PDT reply actions
Good for everybody.
The Chargers are going to need these picks they’re stockpiling. They have the best WR development capacity in the League. This is exactly how this team is going to keep its window open: develop starter-quality QBs and WRs and trade them for high draft picks. The Seahawks have a young QB who could really use a star WR to back him up.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 20, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
$30 million guaranteed???
OK, now we know that the DUI’s are not isolated instances! Jackson has to think he’s the reason Rivers is so good. My God, Rivers got $38-39 million guaranteed over a 6 year extension.
No receiver is worth that kind of money, not even Jerry Rice in his prime.
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by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Aug 20, 2010 4:00 PM PDT reply actions
Chest-pounding. Sweat it not.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 20, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
This is beyond chest pounding
More like Fantasia from The NeverEnding Story.
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by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Aug 20, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
There are two possibilities here.
1: “Well, if you’re asking what I want…”
VJ’s stance is that he wants huge money. He’s not particular about the specifics; he’s just announcing his intention to one-up Brandon Marshall. The Seahawks will come back with a more reasonable counter-offer, or they won’t because they don’t want him enough for him to want them.
2: “Thanks, but football’s not for me anymore.”
VJ’s stance is that he doesn’t want to play. If you really press him, well, he’ll play for $30M, if you’re stupid enough to pay somebody that much for a job he doesn’t want.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 20, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Easy solution... come back with a counter-offer, see if he bites.
But if you want VJ, you have to pay marquee WR money and a 2nd-round pick.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 20, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd pay that for Randy Moss in his prime
That guy is unreal.
by riversformvp on Aug 20, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
The trade for Jackson must already be agreed upon in principle.
I really don’t think AJ would allow them to talk to him without that step being done. The Seahawks and Jackson most likely just need to come to an agreement on a contract and the trade should come very shortly after that.
I love my team of historically talented underachievers.
You have to imagine that terms on a trade have already been discussed internally
And that it won’t be prohibitive should VJ and the Seahawks agree on a contract.
I can’t imagine more than a second rounder and a late rounder.
The Seahawks would be overpaying with a first rounder at this point since they know the Chargers are in a bind with VJ.
Honestly, I hope that if this does go down we can get some real return this year, even it is only adding depth at a position. In that regard, I have no idea what Seattle could offer.
by riversformvp on Aug 20, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
good deal for everyone if this goes down
VJ gets his sparkling new contract in a different conference. Chargers get a high draft pick in return and less drama.
For reference Brandon Marshall signed a 5 year $50M deal with $24M “guaranteed”. VJ will be in the neighborhood
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 20, 2010 6:19 PM PDT reply actions
How about
VJ for Russell Okung.
Straight up.
Solves 2 problems
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by Diesel85 on Aug 20, 2010 6:41 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
No way they give up Okung
But maybe the Chargers could get a Second and Joe Toledo, which would not be that bad.
Man, we'd throw in Joe Toledo for free.
It’s not like he’s going to make the final roster anyway.
by Fearless Frog on Aug 20, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
If the seahawks don't trade him
I believe he will make their final roster. As thin as the Chargers are at OT he would be o.k. to have on the bench.
Just a suggestion
Ok so after work I watched the Padres, split a pitcher of beer with a buddy and yet your post makes great sense to me….so lets use that tactic on Mr. Carroll, it might take 2 pitchers of beer and a lot of reminiscing over USC to make it work
Rec’d. I laughed.
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by Richard Wade on Aug 21, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
VJ will never wear a Chargers uni as a player again
I said it early. I’ll say it again.
Not. Gonna. Happen.
Better start talking to The Daniel. Shanahan wants him.
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bad advice
you see, it’s things like this, that i have to wonder, is VJ getting bad counsel? $30mil guaranteed, of $50 mil for five years? i know the agent is “working for his client”, but players are starting to emerge and the need for him is in decline.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Looks like V J will sit out
I can’t realistically see anyone giving V J that kind of deal except for maybe al Davis. Would the chargers trade him to a rival in order to get something in return? Or let him walk for nothing next year? Redskins are another possibility, their owner ain’t afraid of over spending.
Well 10M per year is less than Brandon Marshall money
I guess V -Jax is willing to negotiate. 30 M guaranteed is amazingly high. In five years V-Jax will be 32. This could be his last contract. And there is a shortened lockout year in time span too.
Basically V-Jax is saying "Pay me immediately, and I never have to show up for work ever again."
Who is going for that deal?
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