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Moneyball: Can the Chargers Afford Marcus McNeill?

I'm going to try not to get too deep into my own perspective on this Marcus McNeill situation. Should the Chargers sign him? Should MM just sign the original tender? Should Dean Spanos step in? The one question that has yet to be asked, at least that I've seen, is this: Can the San Diego Chargers afford to pay Marcus McNeill the money that he wants?

Everything I've heard says that Marcus is looking for Top 5 OL type money. He wants to be paid as one of the best offensive linemen in the game, and that's his prerogative. Let's start by looking at those Top 5 salaries and who's raking in all that cash.

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Comparables

 

For the sake of sanity and consistency, we're going to ignore everything but the 2009 base salary of these players.

  1. Jason Peters - $10.5m. Yikes. I know Andy Reid thinks Peters is the "greatest LT in football", but I'm not sure I agree. I know he's been to two straight Pro Bowls now, but the guy gives up a ton of sacks and isn't that great at run-blocker either.
  2. Alan Faneca - $7m. Last year with the Jets, he was the 2nd highest paid offensive lineman in the game. This year the Cardinals are paying him $2.5m. Hmmmm.....
  3. Jake Long - $6.5m. Prototype LT. Two years younger than MM. Also been to two Pro Bowls. This might actually be the best comparison for Marcus.
  4. Walters Jones - $6.2m. Is somebody really paying this much money to a 36 year old offensive tackle? Yeesh.
  5. Damien Woody - $5.6m. This is actually a pretty good value for the Jets. 5 years, $25m for a guy who will be 35 when the contract is over.

The obvious one left off, who just got paid, is D'Brickashaw Ferguson. As soon as he got his contract, every freaking hyena in the world started screaming "JUST GIVE MARCUS THAT DEAL! HE'LL SIGN!" A few things that are not being accounted for in this argument....

  • D'Brickashaw is two years younger than Marcus McNeill.
  • D-Brick (they probably call him that) is still playing on his rookie contract. As a matter of fact, he will continue to play on it for 2 more years until his new 6-year extension kicks in (although he probably collected a signing bonus). This means that what the Jets are really banking on is that the contract will be a good value in two years, not that it's necessarily a good value now.
  • In a move that has "CBA!" written all over it, Ferguson's contract is pretty much the exact opposite of what McNeill wants. I'll like Mike Florio explain:

The contract constitutes, as a practical matter, a one-year, $5.3225 million arrangement with no other guaranteed money earned or vested through the end of the 2010 season.

No other guarantees trigger unless and until Ferguson makes it through the 2010 season displaying adequate skill and, more importantly, not suffering serious injury.

If Ferguson endures a career-ending injury at any point this year, Ferguson gets none of the rest of the money.  If Ferguson simply suffers a serious but not career-ending injury at any point this year, the Jets likely will terminate the contract and then try to re-sign Ferguson for a lesser amount.

Hell, I can pretty much guarantee the Chargers would be okay with giving Marcus McNeill a 1-year deal for $5.3m. That's pretty much what Ferguson got, with the rest being "If you stay healthy and continue to play at a Pro Bowl level, we'll agree to pay you this much." That's not a long-term deal, that's an incentive-based contract. Almost 100%. That is not what Marcus McNeill wants, but that's all Pro Bowl offensive linemen are going to get right now because nobody knows what's happening with the CBA.

 

"Salary Cap"

 

We all know that this year, there is no salary cap. Obviously, this has not turned the NFL into the Wild West show that a lot of fans thought it would for a couple of reasons. The biggest one being the economy that is hurting each and every NFL team/owner. For the Chargers, they also have to consider saving money to help with the "new stadium" project that they've promised to pay a bunch for. Not to mention, unlike a lot of NFL teams, the Chargers have to pay for maintenance/upkeep to Qualcomm Stadium and I believe they're also renting the land the stadium is on from the city. That's a lot of expenses.

Even though A.J. Smith is notoriously thrifty, and even though San Diego is not considered a "large market" area and therefore the team probably takes in less than say the Washington Redskins, the Chargers are near the top of the league in overall payroll for their players. In 2009 they had the 9th highest payroll, just ahead of the Green Bay Packers and putting them behind only the Giants, Dolphins, Texans, Saints, Bears, Jets, Steelers and Cardinals. In a nutshell, there's not a ton of room in the budget to be throwing out huge contracts.

Last year McNeill made less than $1m. Underpaid? Absolutely. Nobody's arguing that, but if he's going to get $7-10m a year you have to figure that money has to come out of somewhere...right? Here are the Chargers' top 5 base salaries from 2009:

  1. Darren Sproles - $6.6m
  2. Philip Rivers - $6m
  3. Kris Dielman - $5.5m
  4. Jamal Williams - $3.9m
  5. LaDainian Tomlinson - $3.8m

I just saw that lightbulb go on above your head. "Jamal and LT are gone! We can give their money to Marcus! All of problems are solved!" Not so fast, my friend. Here are some of the 2010 salaries:

  • Darren Sproles - $7.2m
  • Ryan Mathews - $320k (+$911k roster bonus + $3m signing bonus)
  • Antonio Gates - $755k (+$4.5m signing bonus), which in total is $2m more than he made last year

So, at least in 2010, Mathews is making about what LT made in 2009. Antonio Gates is making $2m more than he did last year. Darren Sproles is making about a half-mil more.

Everyone is very quick to spend the Spanos' money, but nobody wants to actually do the books and figure out where the money is coming from. "They must be making tons of money! They own an NFL team!" Yes, and they have costs associated with that team, it's players, the staff and the stadium. The $115m player payroll probably can't randomly jump up $10m (for MM, which would give the Chargers the 2nd highest payroll in the league) or $20mil (for Vincent Jackson, which would probably tie the Chargers with the Giants for the highest payroll) easily.

So....where's the money going to come from to pay these guys?

 

The Future

 

I'm not saying let these guys walk because they're going to cost a bunch of money. Far from it. I'm saying that fans have to look at more than just the product on the field, but also the situation in the front office. If Shawne Merriman has a great year, Charger fans will scream that the team should pay him too. Same with Darren Sproles, Malcom Floyd, Eric Weddle and any other starter playing on the final year of their deal. This money does not come out of thin air, and for a team that is promising to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to get a new stadium in San Diego it's an even tighter line to walk.

Imagine, for a second, the Bolts give in. "Here, VJ, you're one of the top paid WRs." "Here, MM, take Jake Long's contract. Who knows what will happen next year, but who cares?" First off, that sets a terrible precedent, but that's almost besides the point. When Eric Weddle is asking to be the top paid Safety next year and the team has pushed the limits of the owner's wallet....what do they do then? Should they say "this is the year, we don't care who we can't afford next year"? That's how good teams end up suddenly becoming terrible, through bad contracts.

Would I prefer to have those guys on the field? Of course, who wouldn't? However, I can see the Chargers looking at their situation (upcoming new stadium, uncertain CBA future, guys like Merriman and Sproles in the final year of their contracts, already one of the higher payrolls in the league) and saying "Well, NFL rules state that we can wait until next year to sort all of this out. Let's do that, and save ourselves some money at the same time." It's the wisest business move, and what's the phrase we football fans hear on an almost-daily basis from players, coaches and front office members? "It's a business."

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And you've only got the top six in there

There are a bunch of heft contract below that
Merriman
Castillo
Cooper
Tucker

I am sure I am missing a few more in that 1.5 to 3 million range, but yes I think the Chargers are using all of their cap right now.

Biggest problem for MM and V-Jax is that they stayed away from the table and let everyone else eat first. Now there are only scraps left to feed their inflated egos.

by Trendsearcher on Aug 18, 2010 11:38 AM PDT reply actions  

….this is what the “Rec” button is for….

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by John Gennaro on Aug 18, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

So assuming Mcneil and jackson sit out, If the chargers are playing well without them can they not let them back on the roster? I read an acee mailbag a question about this, and acee said no, but then said they could not activate them. What does this mean? Can we stick it to them if we’re undefeated without them and don’t need them, will they not get an acrewed season? Could anyone spell this issue out for the layman. From the angle of the chargers not wanting them back.

by nicklusk on Aug 18, 2010 11:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Suiting up or not has nothing to do with it, they are either on the roster or not.

In the scenario where both hold out the entire season (or some way for the chargers to sign them but irrationally keep them off the roster is found), it probably won’t matter that they haven’t accrued a season because any new CBA is extremely likely to revert to 4 years needed to obtain unrestricted free agency, which both already have (the current weird year rules make it 6 years).

by Orz on Aug 18, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

options to punish the infidels

1. Withdraw the tender before they sign it. We don’t pay them, but they become unrestricted free agents and can sign anywhere right away. We will NOT get any compensatory picks for them since their contracts didn’t expire. They don’t get an accrued season. (which as Orz said, probably doesn’t matter)
2. once they sign their tender, we could add them to the 53 man roster (cutting or waiving someone to make room) and keep them inactive. They don’t suit up, but the Chargers still pay them, When/if they leave at the end of the year, we will get 2012 compensatory picks for them (assuming they sign decent sized contracts elsewhere). They get an accrued season.

Any other options to keep them off the active roster involves chicanery (like putting them on IR for some lame reason)

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 18, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

#2 sounds like the best possible outcome

At least the team gets something back and maybe they still have a chance to sign them later.

by Trendsearcher on Aug 18, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

It sounds almost feasible! The reality though is that the team will want to play these guys because they are pro bowlers, and the risk of them lollygagging as reciprocal vindictiveness is low because those six games will essentially be extended auditions for their big contract with the next foolish buyer.

by Orz on Aug 18, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

#2 makes a big assumption:

That they will sign the tender. The ball was in their court and they dropped it.

Besides, I’m not a fan of pay them not to play just to get a compensatory pick for them. You are better off trading them for garbage (lower than a 2nd) to a team that is not in division (or conference) so at least you have some control over them. The last thing we would want is these guys facing us twice a year as a Raider, Chief, or Bronco.

Option #3: They sit out this year (not making any money), and first thing in 2011 we get a deal done with MM then slap the franchise tag on VJ and trade him.

by jkvandal on Aug 18, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait, what?

Do you seriously think that if MM feels as though the Chargers forced him to sit out a season because they didn’t negotiate with him, that he’ll re-sign here in 2011?

by hablodepablo on Aug 18, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup.

First off, I think all involved know that this is a business decision, as much as we all try to put a personal spin on it. Second, MM is not a bad guy and he doesn’t have conduct issues, so as long as his health is good, unless the team finds a suitable replacement I think all parties will be able to work something out.

by jkvandal on Aug 18, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can't say that I agree with you

It seems to me that you’re taking a very team-centric view on this. Would the Chargers give MM a mulligan next season regarding this situation because MM isn’t a bad guy? Sure, probably.

Would MM give the Chargers a mulligan if he’s a UFA next season? I very highly doubt it.

by hablodepablo on Aug 18, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is that mystery physical too

Other teams may have doubts about his physical status. The Chargers have been involved and informed all the way along.

What do you think another team is gonna say when an x-ray shows that Titanium plate (I suspect) in MM’s neck? I would think it would drive his market price down.

by Trendsearcher on Aug 18, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

If this is true, everything makes sense

If this turns out to be the case, it makes things much easier for me to understand. In fact, as the stalemate has worn on, I’ve come to believe that this is the true reason why the Chargers won’t even come to the negotiating table with MM. For them to gamble that he could obtain UFA status next season and get nothing in return without even trying to work out a long-term contract? There has to be more to his health issues than we know.

by hablodepablo on Aug 18, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't put too much stock in my suspicions

I see dead people too…

I just never got much information on his neck injury. There was surgery…. It was major… It was minor… MM cursed the doctor that made the immobilizing neck brace in an interview…. MM said they cleaned it out (that bit was laughable).

I never heard what the injury was or what surgery they performed. My guess is a worst case scenario.

by Trendsearcher on Aug 18, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

2 things

i thought castillo made over 8mil last year (cap value), and not long ago, i read the raiders had the highest team payroll.
 those were both in USA today, i dont know your source

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by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Aug 18, 2010 12:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Yup

Cap Value Top 5:

Rivers (11.5m)
Castillo (8m)
LT (7.5m)
Dielman (7.2m)
Sproles (6.6m)

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by John Gennaro on Aug 18, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Forget Dean Spanos, we need the california legislature to step in and institute borrowing against future beer bottle recycling deposits at the stadium.

Pay toilets at Qualcomm? It would probably help out the wait time for the ladies…

Institute a “Quality Product” fee and charge an extra $10 to exit the stadium after wins.

Ignore NFL rules and sell advertising rights to our uniforms! How about just VJ and MM’s unis?

by Orz on Aug 18, 2010 12:06 PM PDT reply actions  

McNeill ain't a top 5 LT

To pay him as such is NOT looking out for the future of the Chargers.

But oh how we love to spend other people’s money.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Aug 18, 2010 12:31 PM PDT reply actions  

The Chargers should wait and see with both players. They should think of them as depth, an “in case of fire, break glass” kind of thing.

Frankly, of all these guys they’re having trouble with, the most valuable to the team’s W rate IMO is Merriman. With Merriman, there will always be a pass rush. This team will always have guys to protect Rivers. That’s 3-for-3 on what matters, and with either Kaeding/Scifres or Mathews or good DL play or studly DBs, you have a champ-calibur team. McN and VJ are better than the other guys at their spot, but they’re not what make this team work, and the guys behind them are not chopped liver. Merriman, if he returns to ‘06-’07 form, is special in a way that English and SP will never be, at something that really matters.

If he gets back there this year, they should tag him. The other guys can get traded to a team that will pay them what they think they’re worth, or more likely used as insurance and then let go for comps.

What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 18, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

*caliber

Just finished watching Excalibur.

What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 18, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great post.

Can I ask where you are getting your numbers from?

I know that he probably wasn’t getting as much towards the end of his deal, but how much did the team free up in the trade of Antonio Cromartie?

by jkvandal on Aug 18, 2010 12:32 PM PDT reply actions  

He got a surprisingly good deal consider he didn’t play for a full year before being a 1st round draft pick. In 2009, his cap value was about $2m and his base salary was $935k. This year, in the final year of his contract, his base salary is $1mil.

So to answer your question….not much. Actually, we probably took a step back because…

Vasher (2010): $800k base salary ($250k signing bonus)
Strickland (2010): $755 base salary ($15k signing bonus)

My numbers come from USA Today (2009 figures) and Rotoworld (contract details)

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by John Gennaro on Aug 18, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent

Couldn’t agree more.

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by John Gennaro on Aug 18, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Much as I like MM

I can think of 4 reasons not to give him a new contract.

Tony Ugoh.
David Diehl.
Max Starks.
Jermon Bushrod.

None of these duys are elite, and a couple are not very good at all. Yet, they all managed to help their team win a Super Bowl. We don’t need Dombrowski, Thomas, or Green to be MM, we just need them to be the average of these 4 guys.

"The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe." - Dr. Leonard McCoy.

by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Aug 18, 2010 1:01 PM PDT reply actions  

"Hell, I can pretty much guarantee the Chargers would be okay with giving Marcus McNeill a 1-year deal for $5.3m."

Really? Cause I didn’t see that anywhere. What I did see is that AJ offered the original tender, and then pulled it back to the ~$600k offer that sits on the table now. In fact, from reading between the lines in some of Acee’s reports, it looked like MM was trying to extend the olive branch to the team to try to get the original offer back on the table, and AJ flat-out rebuffed it.

Hell, I can pretty much guarantee the Chargers Marcus would be okay with giving Marcus McNeill getting a 1-year deal for $5.3m…if the Chargers would agree to negotiate a long-term deal in good faith. The team has not done that. They made a take-it-or-leave-it tender offer, and told the players that they should sign now and negotiate next year. And when the players didn’t agree, they reduced the tender.

There is nothing to indicate that the Chargers were willing to offer $5.3 M for 2010, just as there’s nothing now to indicate that they’re willing to budge off the ~$600k tender that is currently on the table.

by hablodepablo on Aug 18, 2010 1:37 PM PDT reply actions  

In fact, from reading between the lines in some of Acee’s reports, it looked like MM was trying to extend the olive branch to the team to try to get the original offer back on the table, and AJ flat-out rebuffed it.

First off, that was through a third party and crazy circumstances. That’s different than Marcus walking in and saying “I will sign if you give me this.” But yes, you’re right, it was an assumption.

Secondly, you are a man that I would very much like to negotiate with.

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by John Gennaro on Aug 18, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good one

LOL…I know that second comment wasn’t meant as a compliment in any way, but it still made me chuckle.

As far as the first part, I’m coming from the perspective that both MM & VJ would like to negotiate, but that the Chargers won’t come to the table. The team has a take-it-or-leave-it attitude right now, at least that’s what’s been reported. The door does not appear to be open for MM to walk in and say, “I will sign if you give me this.” In fact, I believe that I read somewhere that AJ said the offers are what they are, and he has nothing more to say to the two of them.

by hablodepablo on Aug 18, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ya know... When I am lucky enough for my Boss to offer me a raise...
The team has a take-it-or-leave-it attitude right now

I don’t ussually tell him to shove that 400% raise ($700,000 to 3,000,000)where the sun don’t shine.

And I just don’t know if I could come back to him, with a straight face, four months later, I an say, “Boss I really do want that raise, and I want even more…

Pretty cheeky don’t ya think?

by Trendsearcher on Aug 19, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Business move

I think everyone on every side of this topic would agree that the tactics the Chargers are taking with MM & VJ are business moves. I know I’m in the minority here, but I’m questioning whether or not it’s a “wise” business move.

At this point, we can put all of the blame on MM & VJ for not signing that original tender if that makes everyone feel better. But what now? If they don’t sign, and become UFAs after the next CBA is agreed to, then I can’t classify it as a wise business move. I would rather Merriman and Sproles walk than these two.

What I hope is that the Chargers have already made that decision, and came to the conclusion that MM & VJ are replaceable—not just now, but in the future as well. Otherwise, I would argue that this is not the best move. If they see MM or VJ as Chargers in 2010 or beyond, the wise business move would be to at least come to the negotiating table.

by hablodepablo on Aug 18, 2010 1:47 PM PDT reply actions  

I think this is a fair point.

There is so much that must go on behind the scenes that we, as fans, are not privy to. We get snapshots and statements from which to infer, but it is hard to get the true picture.

In the end, it will be interesting to somehow know what the difference between what the team and the players would have ultimately accepted (after negotiations). That is, the dollars and contract duration preventing a deal from being consummated in each of the two RFA cases. That monetary difference and, let’s be honest, the result of the Chargers Plan B (moving on without the RFAs) in 2010 will help make the judgement as to the soundness of the business move.

by HuangDi on Aug 18, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

another benefit for the chargers not conceding,

It saves us money in future years cos Aj’s setting an example with other agents throughout the league, “When I set deadlines, I don’t cave, I’m not bluffing” This is a lesson for all would be holdouts and future contract negotiators.

The money saved from this will never be disclosed to nick canepa and his witty writing. No one can deduct the cost savings from Aj’s methodology and therefore this element doesn’t factor into the discussion but it’s definitely there.
 
AJ’s a better GM than we are.

by nicklusk on Aug 18, 2010 2:05 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

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by John Gennaro on Aug 18, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bingo

Was it a factor in Gates accepting the very first offer for his extension? Uh, yeah I bet it was. That, plus Gates’ experience in past negotiations with AJ.

The fact that it was a generous offer also probably helped, but it also speaks volumes that Gates accepted the very first offer and I definitely think that AJ’s stance here with VJ and MM is sending messages to all of the other guys that are coming up on their contracts.

In addition to saying "When I set deadlines, I don’t cave, I’m not bluffing", AJ is also adding onto that statement to say “I don’t care what position you play or how valuable you are to the team, I don’t get bullied.”

by jkvandal on Aug 18, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

or rather “The greater good” (just had to write that, since Hot Fuzz is awesome)

You Take Care Now.

by xa2173 on Aug 18, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

AJ's already set the example

AJ’s track record is fantastic; anyone who doesn’t see his value to the franchise hasn’t been a fan long enough to appreciate him. But that doesn’t mean that:
a) every single decision he makes is gold, or
b) he should play the hardline stance just to set an example, regardless of the consequences.

AJ’s definitely a better GM than I am, but it doesn’t mean that I can’t ask the question as to whether or not the stance he’s taking here is in the best interest of the team. (That’s why we post, right?)

If, and it’s a big if, he’s keeping the tender offers on the table at the value they are now, and not doing any negotiating behind closed doors, then I would argue that he’s not doing what’s in the best interest of the team here.

BTW, Gates’ situation was completely different—the team told Gates that he should sign his tender so he could get on the field while they worked out a long-term deal. That has not been AJ’s or the Chargers’ stance with MM & VJ, at least not with respect to what’s been reported. The Chargers asked MM & VJ to sign their tenders and play the entire season on it…then negotiate a contract for 2011 and beyond.

by hablodepablo on Aug 18, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

How many rings does AJ have?

by Bryan619 on Aug 19, 2010 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

do you actually watch football or....

are you a bandwagon fan? possibly even a raider troll?
 Since AJ took over as GM, with the exception of Indy, no other team has made the play-offs as often as the Chargers. GRANTED, HE DOESNT HAVE A RING OR 2… BUT LIKE NORV,
 ITS THROUGH NO FAULT OF HIS OWN.
 To win a ring, you have to make the playoffs, and the Chargers have done that more consistently since AJ has been in charge than at any other time in their history

"i'm not inclined to resign to maturity"...PSYCH theme

by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Aug 19, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Truth be told....

WRs like VJ take a major investment to develop, and are fairly rare with a high bust rate, but don’t have as big an impact on the field as their stats suggest. This makes them expensive, but not outrageously valuable on a team that’s good at building them.

LTs like MM are easy to identify and can be had in the draft every year, with a low bust rate that seems to track certain teams and may be largely a consequence of coaching or team philosophy. They’re rare, meaning that above-average LTs may demand first-round picks, but a) with linemen, good enough is good enough, b) MM is merely “good,” and c) the natural OTs are usually pretty good pretty quickly (much as Big Mac was).

So yeah, there’s no reason for this team to offer either of these guys a contract. If VJ wants a big contract (or any contract) this year, he’s going to have to get himself traded. If MM wants a contract, he’s going to have to stay in shape and wait for Dombo, Clary or Greene to fail or get hurt.

What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 18, 2010 5:37 PM PDT reply actions  

And even then...

… the best MM will get from the Chargers would be one year at good money, only if it’s obvious they need him.

I hope they find a team to give them a first-rounder for VJ. That way, drafting a top-three LT is a possibility.

What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 18, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed would you rather spend that big coin on a WR

or on a full back? Because I think a big time FB is all this Offense needs to be THE BEST in the NFL.

by Trendsearcher on Aug 19, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Neither

This team can develop WRs, so doesn’t have to pay top dollar. Fullbacks don’t merit big money and we have two decent ones. Big money deals are for elite QBs (Rivers), elite OL (Dielman), and irreplaceable players at other positions (Gates).

What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 19, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oooh

McNeill’s meeting with AJ. Let’s hope something gets done.

by Kame on Aug 19, 2010 2:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Nothing to see here

Move along, folks.

McNeill would do better to spend his efforts in securing a hit man for Dombo, Tra Thomas, & Green.

Get used to life w/o McNeill for this year (barring a LOT of injuries – knock on wood) & VJ somewhere else.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Aug 19, 2010 3:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

hit men are expensive

he needs to sign the tender first for that!

"i'm not inclined to resign to maturity"...PSYCH theme

by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Aug 19, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can hook him up

haha

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Aug 19, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

ESPN had salary cap analysis of each team for this year (your numbers were last year’s), but the Chargers had one of the cheaper payrolls in the league. Easy to look up on ESPN, but you might have to be a insider member to view

by Bryan619 on Aug 19, 2010 6:15 AM PDT reply actions  

John's got all the hook-ups

He just drops the BFTB name and he gets showered with subscriptions, on field passes, free drinks, nights out with the players and sometimes his choice of the cheerleaders!

"i'm not inclined to resign to maturity"...PSYCH theme

by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Aug 19, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

we should have drafted

L. Blount, and sent him to negotiate with these 2!

"i'm not inclined to resign to maturity"...PSYCH theme

by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Aug 19, 2010 9:13 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Rec!

What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 19, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

/bitter mumbling…

Self-anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.

by CaDuck on Aug 19, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we can find out a way to pay this guy it would be a great upgrade for Ryan Mathews

by celticsox937 on Aug 19, 2010 7:40 PM PDT reply actions  

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