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Hard Wonks Part 3 - Defensive Line

Jamal Williams has moved on. Who will pick up the torch? (Photo by Brian Bahr/Getty Images)

Hard Wonks is my reality show about Chargers Training Camp. I started this series by mocking up a reality segment about the defensive backs and then I continued it by doing the same for wide receivers. Some of the drama has started to happen at those two groups already. Darrell Stuckey, the rookie, was listed on the Chargers latest depth chart as the starter at safety, but he's been dinged up to the point where he's had trouble getting on the practice field. Steve Gregory is seeing the reps that Stuckey would be getting. Paul Oliver has been working his tail off and is beginning to look like a lock for Eric Weddle's backup. At cornerback Traye Simmons is pushing those vets and retweeting things about  Traye Simmons Island being better than Revis Island, while Antoine Cason battles his own injury issues while still hanging on to the starting job. Josh Reed, the veteran free agent acquisition to the wide receiver corps, can't be happy about his 3rd string location on the depth chart. The wide receiver group also saw its first roster cut as Ernest Smith was released from the Chargers. The plot is thickening at Chargers Park in Murphy Canyon so let's see what's up with our final look at a positional group.

My mission statement remains the same. I'm looking at the same camp battles that everyone talks about because that where stuff gets real. And I'm now down to last of three position groups I teased in Part 1 that have distinct similarities. As a refresher here's what they are again. First, they've all had a former Pro Bowl player leave or hold out. Second, and this kind of goes along with the first, they all have openings at key positions. Third, we have too many of them with decent chances of making the roster. The first point is what shines the spotlight in its direction. The second point makes the these position groups mean something once the season start. And the third point brings what we all want to hear about in training camp: Drama.

Today we focus on the drama of the Defensive Line.

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The Setup

Defensive Line in the 3-4 defense is the blue collar job of the NFL. Rarely do you see these guys on highlight reels or on Pro Bowl teams. They don't get a lot of sacks and many times their work in the run game manifests itself as a tackle by a linebacker, but nevertheless they work hard to make defenses go. The 3-4 may only have 3 linemen on the field at once but, unless those 3 are the most amazing athletes in the word, a rotation is needed to keep everyone fresh. The needs to be at least 2 deep at each of the 3 spots with guys that will see the field in every game and then have a couple more backups just for injury insurance and to fill in during practices since a lot of times these guys will get banged up enough to miss practices. A couple might be asked to do some kick return duties, but as they are accustomed to, they'll do work that doesn't end up on SportsCenter. Let's give 'em some love today.

 

The Departed

Jamal Williams: We'll refer to JWall as the former heart and soul of the Chargers defense. A massive man who actually had his run stopping plays catch the eye of football announcers. He made Pro Bowls and was loved by die hard Charger fans. We'll show lots of the highlight reel plays of goal line stands, big hits and the jovial celebrations of the man mountain. We'll end with how he's been an injury concern for a number of years and even missed all of last season. Then, we show him in blue and orange and mention that, barring injury, he'll get a chance to terrorize his old team twice a season.

Ian Scott: Quick mention for Ian Scott who played with Defensive Coordinator Rivera on a few Chicago Bears teams and provided some help to the makeshift 2009 defensive line. His departure can be chalked up to the Chargers desire to get a little younger at the position. 

The Returning Champ

Luis Castillo: We'll cut from some Castillo sack footage with $100 bills raining around him to a shot of him on the trainers table grimacing. That basically sums up his career with the blue and gold. He earned a big paycheck with the promise of perhaps turning into the next Aaron Smith or Richard Seymour, but instead he constantly battles injury and shows signs of that player the Chargers hoped to get in the rare moments when he's completely healthy. His starting job for 2010 is assured, but nobody is entirely happy about his situation.

Jacques Cesaire: The wily vet makes his way through practice yucking it up and hitting fools. Jacques Cesaire is one of the longest tenured Chargers since being signed as an undrafted free agent from Southern Connecticut State in 2003. Jacques Cesaire had an off-the-field scare last season right before the Chargers playoff game when a big earthquake hit Haiti. Cesaire is of Haitian descent and has relatives on the island. All were safe and Jacques tried to help the residents of Haiti by teaming up with other NFL players to do PSAs for the relief effort. The old timer will try to fight off father time another year and either continue as a starting defensive end or provide veteran insurance as a backup.

Moving up:

Antonio Garay: Garay is new to many Chargers fans, but he's been around in the NFL for a while. He was originally drafted by the Cleveland Browns back in 2003 and played for Ron Rivera on the 2006 NFC Champion Chicago Bears. The Chargers signed him off of the New York Jets' practice squad last year as a way to help with their depth issues because of injuries. This year he's already been listed on their depth chart as the starting defensive tackle. Better late than never, I suppose. It's a good story if this journeyman can anchor the defensive line for a playoff contender.

Veteran Insurance:

Alfonso Boone: Another lineman for Defensive Coordinator Ron Rivera's Bears days. He's a guy with a strong motor and a nose for getting to the ball carrier in the run game. He continues our defensive line theme of blue collar guys. He's unheralded, but a key part of a defensive line rotation that the Chargers are relying on.

Travis Johnson: Big dreams and big money is how Johnson came into the NFL as a 1st round draft pick out of Florida State. Those big dreams soon faded, at least for his former team the Houston Texans, when he turned out to be injury prone and not the star they thought he'd be. A change of scenery brought him back to his home state of California, but not much has changed. We'll see if we can get Travis to tell us some jokes and talk about his beloved little girl Zoe's battle after a stroke while we tie him in with all the other unheralded big men on the line.

Hanging on: 

Ogemdi Nwagbuo: The San Diegan with the African name. We'll follow him around his old stomping grounds for a bit and tell his story of how he was a porter at the airport before realizing his dream to become a Charger. Fan to field stories are a great way to reel the audience in. He's going to need to continue work hard at his dream again this season in order to carve a niche for himself in this crowded defensive line.

Vaughn Martin: So, you're going to be a football player, eh? This Canadian has the backing of the Chargers front office, but there's still a lot of polishing to do on this diamond in the rough. He hasn't quite cracked the first or second team, but there's potential here. His dominance in the Oklahoma drill should make for some good shots while we introduce him.

Ryon Bingham: We can show Ryon working hard in rehab and then taking reps in practice. His story is about being a practice squad guy, to a guy in the defensive line rotation a few years, to a guy who was supposed to fight for a starting spot last year, to a guy on IR for a full season and finally to the guy in training camp this year just fighting for a spot on this roster.

Derrick Jones: I'm not sure whether we use Jones or not. Our HBO counterpart likes to follow some former practice squad guys just enough to see the emotion when they get cut. I'm not sure that I want to be quite the emotional vulture like that. But, I will wish Jones good luck.

Rookie Reinforcements:

Cam Thomas: It might be interesting to put up a list of all the internet sites that had Cam Thomas going well before the 5th round. We can also talk to Directory of College Scouting John Spanos about what they like about this guy and why they had to wait until the 5th round to take him. We'll point out how he's wearing the same number as Jamal Williams and say that comes with a certain level of expectation. Hopefully we'll get a good quote from him about how he's going to live up to those expectations. We'll finish with a Godzilla scream noise and this picture:

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My Preseason Favorites:

With my reality show producer's hat off and my GM hat back on, here's who I have making the team (with a little help from that recently release depth chart). Who do you have?

Starting DEs: Cesaire and Castillo

Starting NT: Garay

Backup DEs: Boone, Johnson, Martin

Backup NTs: Thomas and Nwagbuo

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that's a lot of bodies for three positions

last year we had 8, but they were all newbies and had some injuries. Do you think we still have 8 this year? Having some young guys you need to protect like Martin and Thomas (maybe not so much with Cam) means you usually have to have more numbers than usual.

If we do go with less than 8, I think Boone is the one who doesn’t make the cut. He is older and probably the most likely not to get picked up (and thus be available after the inevitable injury)

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 17, 2010 9:30 AM PDT reply actions  

7 according to chargers.com

week 1 we had:
DE – Luis Castillo, Andre Coleman, Vaughn Martin, Travis Johnson, Jacques Cesaire
http://www.chargers.com/news/article-1/Position-Preview-Defensive-Ends/42fcad95-fc68-40ae-b3d3-a8044f230ba3
NT – Jamal Williams, Ogemdi Nwagbuo
http://www.chargers.com/news/article-1/Position-Preview-Defensive-Tackles/2bb11a67-0fa5-4f8e-a5d1-a383bf94683b

things did get crazy pretty quick since JWall went on IR after week 1, Coleman was dumped, and TJ and Jacques struggled with injury through the first 4-6 games or so.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 17, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

How many RBs are we required to carry? Because Brinkley is PS-material, and Mason-level RBs can be had at any time, no? Couldn’t we just run Mathews, Sproles, Tolbert and Hester? That would give us room for 8x DL.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 17, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brinkley might have value to another team...

(cough, cough…. Denver)

Remember he was a projected late first rounder before he got shot. Now he’s showing the recovery some teams might steal him.

by Trendsearcher on Aug 17, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

brinkley was a UDFA and then was shot over the summer, after the draft.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 17, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

hmmm...

For some reason I thought he got shot before and AJ threw the last choice at him.

by Trendsearcher on Aug 17, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

perhaps you're thinking of the WR from LSU

who was in the car accident?

(who was also let go over the off-season)

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 17, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

Demetrius Byrd, who was a projected 3rd rounder before the car accident.

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by John Gennaro on Aug 17, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not meaningfully.

But anybody know how many RBs you’re required to run? Can you have only 4 on the final 53?

That would be: Kaeding, Robopunter, Binn, plus 50 more.
3x QB, 8x OL, 5x WR, 3x TE, 4x RB = 23 players on offense
8x DL, 9x LB, 9x DB = 26 players on defense
And one roster spot for the best guy who can’t make that chart.

What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 17, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I believe you could have 0 if you wanted...

do you mean: how many do we need to run the Chargers offense?

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 17, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't there a rule about how many guys you're required to run?

Like 3x TE?

What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 17, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

nope

there is a rule about the 3rd QB being inactive, yet still able to play in a game, but no other position specific rules.

current CBA is here: http://nfllabor.com/current-cba/ if you want to plow through it.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 17, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right, terminology aside.

You can have 53 guys on your roster, not counting reserves and PS.
You can have 45 guys active on game day, not counting QB #3.
During the game, you can activate QB #3 by deactivating your other QBs.

What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 17, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just remember Wonko saying something about being required to carry three Tight Ends, and I was wondering if there was such a rule for minimums at each position on the final 53. It would make sense, keeping rosters at/near 53 men by making them use all their slots just to have a little versatility. So I didn’t know if it was the case.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 17, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

You just remember wrong

John usually brings up the 3 TE thing. I’ve never seen what the rule is.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

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by Wonko on Aug 19, 2010 6:30 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Awesome.

Anyway, as you see, they can run 5 RBs and still have 8 DLs, if they keep to everything else.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 17, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Week 1 Roster numbers (2009, 2008)
QB – 3, 3
OL – 8, 10
WR – 6, 6
RB – 3, 2
FB – 2, 2
TE – 3, 3

LB – 9, 9
DL – 7, 6
S – 6, 3
CB – 3, 6

Of course, history is no indication of the future. The roster gets a little funny down below 45 or so. some position groups get bigger than you would like because you are trying to protect a young guy (like Vaughn Martin, CJ Spillman, and Tyronne Greene last year) or because you think you will be cutting someone soon (Hart last year), or because someone brings a lot to special teams (Osgood, Sproles his first few years). Part of the fun is figuring out where the bubbles are going to be this year. Are we afraid we might lose one of our young WRs if we try and get them on the practice squad? Do we hang onto an extra LB or two since 3 of our 4 starters are in the final year of their contract and might need to be replaced? If there is one place you can count on history being an indication of the future it is that I am historically wrong in my guesses (3 CBs last year?!?! There is no way we are letting my man Cletis go!)

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 17, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and this year they have DL to protect.

What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 17, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

No way we keep 8 DL

I will bet money on that. My depth chart is the same as Wonko’s except I think OG gets cut

IMO

by Foilhat on Aug 17, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thats only in Madden man

no requirement in the real league

by matth313 on Aug 18, 2010 1:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Get a shot of OG, Thomas and Martin

I think OG is undersized compaired to the other two.

They list ‘em as all the same height. To me Martin seems taller, and Thomas seems more stocky. I wonder if OG’s size is working agaist him right now.

by Trendsearcher on Aug 17, 2010 9:38 AM PDT reply actions  

At this point in time

I’m keeping the same 8 on DL as Wonko. A month or so ago I had Bingham over Boone, but now not at all sure that this will play out.

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by Buck Melanoma on Aug 18, 2010 4:33 AM PDT reply actions  

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