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Fightin' Words: Why I Don't Fear the AFC West

I know this is probably going to ruffle some feathers, but I have absolutely zero fear of the Chargers AFC West competition heading into 2010. I know that's probably a little too much bravado, but I still see giant holes/issues with these other teams that can't possibly be fixed by 2010.

Maybe I'm crazy, maybe I'm a super fan, but the fact of the matter is that stats and history are on my side. This Chargers team has won the division in 5 out of the last 6 seasons, which is partially due to how good the Bolts have been and partially due to how poor the rest of the division has been. In 2009, the Chargers won 13 games and the rest of the division combined won 17. Forgive me if I don't see a sudden changing of the tides in this offseason.

After the jump, an opinion piece. I'm going to go through the Broncos, Chiefs and Raiders and tell you why I'm not afraid of them....and why I should probably be a little afraid of them. Also, as always, I'll back it up with stats.

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Denver Broncos

Even the most passionate of Broncos fans cannot deny the facts. Yes, your team started the season 6-0...they also ended the season 2-8. Yes, your starting QB didn't throw an interception until Week 5 and didn't throw his second until Week 8, but he threw 11 picks in his last 9 games. Yes, your coach and your team had some of the best highlights of the year, but your fanbase also completely jumped off the McDaniels bandwagon when things started spiraling downward and your offense is bound to suffer by the loss of your #1 receiver (I know, pot meet kettle).

If I were a Broncos fan, I'd be pissed. I can talk about Kyle Orton being mediocre all day, but I'm smart enough to know that you can win in this league with a mediocre QB if he's not stupid (Jake Delhomme has been to a Super Bowl!). That also makes me smart enough to realize that you can't win without a defense, and the defense was the biggest reason for 2-8 last year. Those 2 games they won? They gave up 6 points to the Giants and 13 to the Chiefs. The 8 they lost during that stretch? 30, 28, 27, 32, 38, 20, 30, 44. I know Josh McCoach is supposed to be an offensive genius, but I don't think his plan is to win by scoring 40 a game.

So going into the draft, the Broncos needed young blood and impact players that would turn the defense around. First pick, offense. Second pick, offense (TIM TEBOW!). Third pick, offense. Fourth pick, off....okay, this is getting ridiculous. Denver's first five draft picks were used on offense. Which, in fairness, they probably also needed after losing the centerpiece of their offense (Brandon Marshall) and replacing him with rookie Demaryius Thomas.

To recap: The defense was terrible last year and opted to use all of it's high draft picks on offense. The QB was pretty terrible last year, and is still around....except without his #1 WR and possibly without his All-Pro LT Ryan Clady, who injured himself playing basketball. Uh oh.

 

Shouldn't I be a little bit scared? Well, the defensive line has gotten a make-over with Jarvis Green (good), Justin Bannan (bordering on very good) and Jamal Williams (good to great). That's an improvement. I'm not sure where FA Nate Jones fits into their defense, but he seems like a heck of a player. They're still an old team, and they lost their mastermind Defensive Coordinator to Miami, but from a talent perspective they've improved on the defensive side of the ball. That scares me a little bit.

What's funny is I'd be a lot more scared if they hadn't drafted Tebow. If they had used that pick on an impact defensive player, that'd improve the team more and keep them away from this headache. However, there's already such a fanbase behind "Jesus of Gainesville" that every off-target Orton pass is going to rile up the congregation. Maybe I don't see the genius hand McD has dealt himself with the Tebow pick, but it seems like for 2010 it has the potential to cause big trouble.

 

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Oakland Raiders

Let me make one thing perfectly clear, I am an Al Davis fan. He's not evil, he's brilliant. If you look at his entire NFL career, and not just the last decade, you see a man that's had more influence on the sport than just about anyone else. Hell, the guy is just as responsible for the success of the AFL as guys like Sid Gillman were. So, take all the potshots you want at Al in comments...but expect a response about how ill-informed you are about Al Davis the Owner (and coach). Al Davis the GM leaves a little something to be desired, but I think he's more loyal than stupid.

The 2002-2003 Oakland Raiders made it to the Super Bowl (in San Diego!) behind Rich Gannon and Bill Callahan. Here's how many games they've won in each season since: 4, 5, 4, 2, 4, 5, 5. Yikes. This is a team that always scares people a little bit, but obviously never comes close to even being a .500 team. History tells me there's nothing to be afraid of here. Halfway through the season there will be in-fighting and serious injuries and stars that are just begging to leave again, right? We can depend on that right?

 

Shouldn't I be a little bit scared? Yes, but shhh....don't tell anyone. The Raiders got a lot better in the offseason. Cutting JaMarcus Russell and replacing him with Jason Campbell would've made for a good offseason, but they also drafted well and filled holes on their team. The offensive line is still a bit of a question mark, but should be improved. Darren McFadden is still an injury risk, but Rock Cartwright and Michael Bush are legitimate RBs. Darrius Heyward-Bey might still have butter all over his hands, but their WR depth is strong. Their secondary is one of the best in the league, and getting better.

The Raiders are a team that could be very good. They have a lot more talent than people give them credit for, and Cable seems to know what he's doing as a coach. It's a matter of finding a way to bring it together and to keep things.....a little less crazy than they've been.

 

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Kansas City Chiefs

Chiefs fans are in love with their team, and I can't seem to figure out why. Every single team in the league starts with it's QB, and maybe that's why I'm not worried about the rest of the AFC West. Jason Campbell is alright, but he's 28 and still living off of his potential. Kyle Orton is okay, but nothing special. Matt Cassel is a catastrophe.

I remember the stat I found last year that had me sure that the Chiefs were nothing to worry about. Here it is in a nutshell:

2007 Tom Brady: 578 passes, 21 sacks
2008 Matt Cassel: 516 passes, 47 sacks (with a nearly identical offensive line)

I saw that and went "Holy crap, he's Rob Johnson. He's smart, is athletic and has a strong/accurate arm.....and nobody is paying attention to the fact that he holds onto the ball so long, and takes so many sacks, that he'll always kill his team." I remember pleading my case for this over at Arrowhead Pride, but of course was seen as a troll. "He was essentially a rookie, he just needed time to get comfortable. He's comfortable now." Hmmm...

2008 Tyler Thigpen: 420 passes, 26 sacks
2009 Matt Cassel: 493 passes, 42 sacks

Hmmmmmm. Interesting. Well, perhaps maybe Matty will "get comfortable" one of these days. I just don't see how that's anything more than hopes and dreams, and I don't see how the Chiefs make a run to the top of the AFC West with him pulling in $12 million this season.

 

Shouldn't I be a little scared? Well, this is the point where I face facts and say that the Chargers probably have the worst defensive line in this division. KC's is pretty good, and if they had anyone better than Mike Vrabel to play LOLB I would probably be concerned with their pass rush. Their secondary is good, very tough and physical, but their ILBs could either be good or atrocious this season. That's true of most 3-4 defenses though.

The Chiefs' WRs leave plenty to be desired, but everything revolves around Cassel and that's always a scary proposition for Chiefs fans and fans of opposing teams. If he remains the same guy he's been, the Chiefs go nowhere. If he somehow turns it around and stops taking so many sacks/hits, this team will get a lot better in a hurry.

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I'm scared of Oakland the most

Remove JaMarcus from that team last year, and they have 8 wins easily

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by matthewverygood on Jul 16, 2010 12:01 PM PDT reply actions  

For every one thing the Raiders do right

They do at least one other thing wrong. Their defense looks like less and less with every move they make. They may not have an offense this year that will lose games for them, but they also may not have a defense that can win games for them.

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by Wonko on Jul 16, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

McLain scares me

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by John Gennaro on Jul 16, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

He doesn't scare me as a rookie.

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by Wonko on Jul 16, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I also have very little faith

That the Raiders have a coaching staff that can actually develop players.

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by Wonko on Jul 16, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

…said the Kirk Morrison fan

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by John Gennaro on Jul 16, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Raider lover.

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by Wonko on Jul 16, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with Matt

The Raiders scare me a bit this year. I was hoping for a combination of A) another wasted draft and B) Jamarcus remaining the starting QB. Neither happened, and in fact, the Raiders actually improved.

Now, I don’t expect them to go 10-6 this year, but I would not be shocked with an 8-8 season out of them, including a win against the Chargers this year. This is the first year that I’m legitimately worried the winning streak over the Raiders will end.

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by creanium on Jul 16, 2010 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

The Raiders made far and away

the best offseason improvements of any AFCW team IMO – including us.

Am I scared? Absolutely not. But I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see our string of consecutive wins vs. them end this year. Give them almost any QB but Russell & they would have kicked our asses last year in the opener.

KC is headed in the right direction but they aren’t there yet. Frankly, I don’t have all that much faith in Haley as a HC & even less in Cassell as a franchise QB.

Denver? They aren’t even close to being a mile high, regardless of the altitude. Little Hoodie is every other AFCW team’s dream HC for them. Maybe he can make his next stop USC after Kiffin craps the bed there.

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by Buck Melanoma on Jul 16, 2010 12:25 PM PDT reply actions  

No need for USC bashing

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by matthewverygood on Jul 16, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

you dont have much faith in haley as a head coach?

look at norv turner. hes had the most talented team in football for years and still at the end of the day todd haley and norv turner are watching the super bowl at the same place… home

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by BEEf_CHIEF on Jul 19, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

The NFL

30 bad coaches and 2 good ones. Obviously.

13-4 > 4-12

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by John Gennaro on Jul 19, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

but the difference between todd haley and norv turner is

that haley inherited well a very bad team to be honesty, turner inherited a 14 – 2 team. with the best talent in the league.

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by BEEf_CHIEF on Jul 20, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

turner made the playoffs

the last 3 years, not even the mighty bellichek did that

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by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Jul 20, 2010 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

bellichek has super bowl rings

plus the year he didnt make it was when brady went down and cassel still went 11-5. Don’t get me wrong I dont think norv turner is a “bad” coach I just feel like with the talent your team has/had with merriman/gates/tomlinson/neal/rivers that you guys should of at least made it to the super bowl. marty made it to the playoffs too, but you guys fired him because he couldnt get you to the super bowl. It seems like turner can’t do it either.

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by BEEf_CHIEF on Jul 21, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tell me, how is Norv the problem?
  1. In Norv’s first season, he got the team to the AFC Championship game. Even though LT didn’t play, Gates had a broken toe, and Rivers was hobbling on a bad knee, he still managed to play a close game.
  2. His second season with the team, he got to the AFC Division game, again without LT and lost to the eventual Super Bowl winner.
  3. His third season with the team, he won 11 consecutive games on his way to a 13-3 season. Stupid mistakes (namely penalties) by the players and 3 booted kicks by Kaeding cost the team the game.

In very most instances, especially lately, Norv has not been the problem.

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by creanium on Jul 21, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

alright man im not tryin to start an argument or anything

and like i said i dont think hes a bad coach at all i just feel like with the talent your team has that you should of already won a super bowl or at least been to one. and besides the chargers he hasnt really done so great anywhere else

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by BEEf_CHIEF on Jul 22, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

as a HC that is

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by BEEf_CHIEF on Jul 22, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s fine and a valid argument to say the team has the talent to win a Super Bowl, but you can’t really pin the team’s lack of SB rings on Norv. He’s made it to the playoffs in all 3 years he’s been the head coach, but thanks to injuries and issues with individual players, the team has been unable to make it to the big game.

It’s always easy to blame the coach for a team’s lack of success, regardless of sport, but that’s just not the case here.

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by creanium on Jul 23, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

"and besides the chargers he hasnt really done so great anywhere else"

Except for that time that he won a SB with Dallas as the offensive coordinator.

by Nohm on Jul 23, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Correction:

Back-to-back Super Bowl wins with the Cowboys.in ’92 and ’93.

by Nohm on Jul 23, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

In fairness

BEEf did qualify it with “as a HC that is”

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by creanium on Jul 23, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

i added as a HC later on

3 early predictions
3. Moeaki will one day be a star tight end
2. This will be DJs last year
1. Chiefs will go 8-8

by BEEf_CHIEF on Jul 24, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

How about these Al Davis bashes

Al Davis killed Gene Klein
Or

Al Davis tried to turn the Chargers into its farm team with the infiltration of Ort the Raider.

I agree Al has played a huge role in the history of the NFL, but for many of the wrong reasons. Just win baby. Davis created a home for immorally and playing outside the rules in his pursuit of greatness and all you need to do is look in the stands to see the fan base he’s drawn.

Al Davis would never kick a drug addict out solely because of his drug addiction. Al Davis would kick a criminal out solely because of his criminality. Al Davis has shown time and time again that if you are not cheating, you are not trying hard enough.

That said I think the Raiders would have won that first game if they had Campbell instead of JMac. And as bad as any of our division teams look on paper, some how when they line up on Sunday its always a tough fight.

by Trendsearcher on Jul 16, 2010 12:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Can't disagree

You can hate on Al for being a cheating bastard. Just don’t be fooled into thinking he’s senile/stupid.

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by John Gennaro on Jul 16, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Al Davis hired Lane Kiffin! Game over!

by Orz on Jul 16, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Kiffin did an alright job in Oakland.

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by John Gennaro on Jul 16, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same here

He seemed to get his team motivated and prepared to play better than any of the other Raiders coaches since Gruden.

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by Wonko on Jul 16, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I still think we're the class of this division.

But yeah, the Raiders have gotten better. The Chiefs are trying to “turn around” rather than rebuild; I don’t think they have as much to build on as they think they have. The Broncos are rebuilding now, and are a long-term threat and a twice-a-year hazard, but no more than that.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jul 16, 2010 1:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Ya the Chiefs are really trying to just turn it around rather then rebuild

Especially with all those high profile free agent signings and the 5th youngest roster in the league. You guys have a sarcasm button around here?

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by GenericBrand on Jul 16, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

we dont have much to build on... umm

jamaal charles? brandon flowers? tamba hali? brandon carr? eric berry? branden albert? dwayne bowe? DMC?

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by BEEf_CHIEF on Jul 19, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Best young team in the division.

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by John Gennaro on Jul 19, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think maybe that Daffy Duck GIF would be more accurate

If we had like 8 Daffy’s in a circle jerk.

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by creanium on Jul 16, 2010 1:52 PM PDT reply actions  

To essentially quote ESPN above: "LOLCHIEFS"

I do not fear the Chiefs nor the Raiders.

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by creanium on Jul 16, 2010 2:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Off topic:

Have you guys heard smacksaw stumping for the chargers to sign TO? That’s even more unlikely than AJ putting the original 3 million back on the table for VJ.

by Orz on Jul 16, 2010 2:11 PM PDT reply actions  

so Hacksaw really IS living in 2004.

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by John Gennaro on Jul 16, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think David Boston also was looking for a tryout…

by Orz on Jul 16, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heard that yesterday

then changed the channel

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by matthewverygood on Jul 16, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I end up listening to Hacksaw every day

You have to be able to see through his b______t. He runs a call-in show. He wants people to call in. If he can make them call in by disagreeing with something silly he’s putting out there, then he’ll do it. Whether or not TO should be a Charger, if you mention him in the same breath with the Chargers and throw in some grumblings about the VJ situation you will get people to call in.

Just keep that in mind. He’s not really there to get you to agree with him or necessarily to report what’s going on. He’s trying to incite his audience into calling in and making his show more entertaining.

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by Wonko on Jul 16, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I also end up catching him more often than I'd like

because I’m often in the car when he comes on and the dial is usually on 1090.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Jul 16, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kyle Orton really loves him some Jack Daniels. Maybe he is preparing to market a steak marinade?

by Orz on Jul 16, 2010 2:12 PM PDT reply actions  

You shouldnt.

There isn’t a reason to fear. Part of this confident attitude should be attributed to Josh McDaniels and Pat Bowlen. The Broncos were a few players from becoming an elite team and Pat brought in Al Davis’ youger genetic twin. Whom then proceded to systematically dismantle the team piece by piece like some sort of GM Terminator. You know what? The praise you gave Al got me thinking? Maybe Al contructed McDaniels in his mansion’s garage and sent him as a sleeper agent to Bowlen’s HQ.

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by traceSD on Jul 16, 2010 2:41 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I don’t understand how McDaniels is at all related to Davis.

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by John Gennaro on Jul 16, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mike Shanahan

has way more ties to Al Davis that McDeeznuts…

by transparent58 on Jul 19, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Probably a better comparison to John Madden or Lane Kiffin than Al Davis

… From a youth stand point. McDaniels, Madden and Kiffen were all young when they got the job. And that about where the comparison ends. Madden and Kiffen (at least initally) had success and showed solid coaching ability.

by Trendsearcher on Jul 19, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's Al's MO

Madden, Shanahan, Gruden, and Kiffin were all the youngest head coaches in the NFL when they coached the Raiders…I’ll never forget the one that got away in Sean Payton…

Al has been really good at identifying yound coaching talent…he just sucks as listening to it :)

by transparent58 on Jul 19, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was looking at the Chiefs projection by FBO

It mainly comes down to schedule combined with its calculations that the Chiefs are better than the Raiders and Broncos. The FBO projections come out with the Chiefs having the easiest schedule in the NFL. Like I said, it projects the Chiefs as better than the Broncos and Raiders so they get slightly better odds at beating those teams than the other way around. On top of that, they get to play the NFC West and its crappy teams, since it doesn’t take much to be a likely victor against those teams I assume it gives them similar odds of winning those games as it does the Chargers. On top of that they get to play Cleveland and Buffalo instead of New England and Cincinnati (who the Chargers play).

What I’m saying is that what happened is that their schedule is so easy that it projects them to beat all the teams the Chargers beat, plus 2 more likely wins. The projections are somewhat down on the Chargers since we have a lot to prove to keep ourselves elite, which I think is logical to expect from something that can’t make subjection decisions (passing game is likely to regress to the mean so we have to make up for it in ways we haven’t done in years, we are replacing a left tackle and our defense only played well toward the end of the season all make up obvious problems for an objective-based system).

It also appears that some of the variables seem to go in the Chiefs favor for them to improve. DVOA loved Jamaal Charles’ performances and it likes the additions of Berry and Weigmann addressing their two biggest needs. There also are some indicators that point to Tamba Hali being a breakout candidate as a pass rusher. All that gives the Chiefs the slight uptick they need to be considered the second best team in the division.

So, combine the easiness of schedules, the Chargers two tougher games, a slightly optimistic projection for the Chiefs and a slightly pessimistic projection for the Chargers to get a projected photo finish.

There’s too many if, ands, buts and what-have-yous to really put much stock in it. They even mention in the article that any health issues for the Chiefs would sabotage them because they aren’t terribly deep at any position. As John also mentioned it could be tough to overcome Matt Cassell. I think the projection wants you to believe that Jamaal Charles’ running will protect him, but if that’s even a little off then Cassell could crush this team’s offense.

Don’t worry Chargers fans, the projections are perfectly legit, but not much to worry about. We just need to beat the a couple of the tougher teams on the schedule and we’ll cruise by those suckers. And, if we can’t beat the Colts, Patriots, Bengals, etc. of the NFL we probably can’t win it all anyway.

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by Wonko on Jul 16, 2010 2:52 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Have a tendency of not beating the Brady-led Patriots

Good luck beating the Colts without Cromartie

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by Amigo on Jul 16, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great breakdown

I tend to agree with most of this. The Chiefs have a lot of things going their way but if one doesn’t, then they could be in trouble. Sort of a ’the stars are aligning" scenario.

I think the Chiefs will put an emphasis on the run game with Thomas Jones and Jamaal Charles…it’ll be interesting to see how each does when they’re not the featured back.

Unfortunately for this Chiefs fan, the Chargers are still the team to beat (but Jackson and McNeill may make it easier on the rest of us).

by Joel Thorman on Jul 16, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree

Wonko has an excellent take. Most of Chiefs Nation does not see The Chiefs winning the division in 2010. As stated depth and whether Matt improves on the 2009 performance.
We are a year or so away, actually as I stated on the Chiefs site John’s take is very realistic.
It all depends on the QB.

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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 16, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Personally

I fear the first game of the season.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Jul 16, 2010 4:41 PM PDT reply actions  

You should be {{{dramatic pause}}} you should be.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Jul 16, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

We typically don’t do well in K.C. and have started slow the last couple years, so a loss isn’t exactly out of the question. Which could hurt given K.C. has two easier games on their schedule. But, we’ll just have to wait and see. I hope mathews has a great year and that our defense improves over last year.

by irishlad on Jul 16, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Any time Arrowhead is full to capacity the home team has to be the favorite

That first game is gonna be solid RED, and probably full of Vuvazela’s. They could run a jr. varsity high school team out there for KC and that crowd would pump them up to compete. That is gong to be a VERY tough game for the Chargers to win,

see ya in week 11 KC. I’ll be happy if we can split the series this year.

by Trendsearcher on Jul 19, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought

Every 11th fan at Arrowhead has to wear yellow. I’m pretty sure that’s well regulated.

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by Wonko on Jul 19, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

dont get me wrong i think no matter what you guys are beating us in SD

but if we could win one at home on the first game of the season that would be huge for us

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by BEEf_CHIEF on Jul 19, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like to see

That game in Denver early in the season because somehow our fate so often seems tied to Denver. And please schedulers – no more Oakland games on Halloween.

And I like to see that game in KC late in the season. I don’t care how cold and windy it gets. In fact I’d like the bad weather. If things aren’t going particularly well that season, maybe some of those crazy fans will stay home. This year, that first Monday night is going to be out of control. KC has a chip on its shoulder; winning game #1 in prime time would make a huge statement.

by Trendsearcher on Jul 19, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why I'm not scared of the Chargers

-Their LT and WR will more than likely hold out. Even if they don’t Jackson will still be suspended for the MNF opener at Arrowhead.
-Your last 3 draft picks prior to Matthews look like bust or mediocre players. (Davis, English, and Cason)
-You don’t have an elite defender anymore (Merriman is washed up)
-Running game may be legit, but it will take some time for your rookie runner to become comfortable
-Gates may be legit, but in case you haven’t noticed we have been drafting to specifically beat your team. Mr. Gates, meet Eric Berry.
-Rivers may be legit, but lets be honest, the guy is a douche and a half.

We are going to kick your ass in front of the whole country on MNF. Just wait and see.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Jul 16, 2010 4:41 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

nice troll job!

by Orz on Jul 16, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh, okay...

“heir LT and WR will more than likely hold out. Even if they don’t Jackson will still be suspended for the MNF opener at Arrowhead.”

Because this is a completely original situation that has never happened before, and there isn’t the possibility of someone stepping up because they now have the chance.

I feel comfortable with Floyd and Naanee.

“Your last 3 draft picks prior to Matthews look like bust or mediocre players. (Davis, English, and Cason)”

We will see.

“You don’t have an elite defender anymore (Merriman is washed up)”

We will see.

“Gates may be legit, but in case you haven’t noticed we have been drafting to specifically beat your team. Mr. Gates, meet Eric Berry.”

Mr. Berry, meet Mr. Gates. One of them is a pro-bowl TE coming off of his best year, and the other one is a rookie.

“Rivers may be legit, but lets be honest, the guy is a douche and a half.”

Please support this assertion, or retract.

“We are going to kick your ass in front of the whole country on MNF. Just wait and see.”

We will see.

And if you don’t… what then? You’re hardly the first fan who has ever said this.

by Nohm on Jul 16, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

how can you say berry is only a rookie

when most charger fans talk about how great ryan matthews will be?

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by BEEf_CHIEF on Jul 19, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Talk to them

Note that I didn’t say anything about Mathews.

And where do you get this “most” value from?

Eric Berry is a rookie, and will probably be a very good rookie, but to think that GATES (of all people) should be worried about him is… well… premature.

by Nohm on Jul 19, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Correction

In regards to Matthews [sic], I wrote:

“We will see”.

That’s not exactly beating my chest, right?

by Nohm on Jul 19, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that’s a ridiculous notion. Tyvon Branch arguably did the best job of the season covering Gates last season for the Raiders.

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by John Gennaro on Jul 19, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not clear

What exactly do you see as a ridiculous notion?

by Nohm on Jul 20, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

you didnt really say that but it does get on my nerves how a lot of people say how great matthews will be

a lot of people do it to eric berry too. I feel like matthews will have a great rookie year but i dont think he’ll get over 1300+ yards like some people think. I also agree with you on berry covering gates. Gates is one of the best and i think berry will have troubles his rookie year. Only time will tell

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by BEEf_CHIEF on Jul 21, 2010 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Know what bugs me?

When people add extra letters to his name.

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by creanium on Jul 21, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

well im not a chargers fan so i dont follow him

and most people with that last name spell it that way

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by BEEf_CHIEF on Jul 22, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lastly,

If you’re going to quote me, please do it correctly.

I said that Eric Berry is a rookie. I did not say that Eric Berry is “only a rookie”.

There’s an important distinction there.

by Nohm on Jul 19, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bad Idea to offend Mr. Gates

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6ErZQV4N64

LOL @ Eric Berry getting several “welcome to the NFL” moments courtesy of Mr. Gates on MNF.

by Natrone Bomb on Jul 16, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have to say...

This “Rivers is a jerk” meme has to be one of the most annoying memes I’ve seen among non-Charger fans, right up there with “Why did you guys trade away Drew Brees??”

People, bring some evidence that he’s a jerk. List specific situations.

If all you have is “well he mocked Cutler that one time” or “he told the Colt fans that he would be back”, then you basically have nothing.

by Nohm on Jul 16, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

The dude never shuts up

I don’t really mind trash talk if it’s backed up, and how he annoys other team’s fans is he runs his mouth, then backs it up. Basically any fan of any team in the AFC West would love the guy if played for their team, but he plays for SD.

I’d love to see him in Silver and Black, I really would…but I hate him right now :)

by transparent58 on Jul 19, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

slow clap

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by John Gennaro on Jul 19, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bottom line

the guy’s a winner. He may not have the prettiest delivery, but neither did Bernie Kosar. He’s cocky, but I’d rather have a cocky QB with an awkward delivery than a listless QB with a cannon arm.

I hope this is the year my Raiders can shut his big yapper, though.

by transparent58 on Jul 19, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

eli manning is better

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by BEEf_CHIEF on Jul 19, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

i was mainly saying that to be a douishe bag.

to be honest i really really do think rivers is better, but i was trying to note how eli didnt wanna be on the chargers. i guess i should of used the sarcasm font or explained myself more

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by BEEf_CHIEF on Jul 20, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Suggestion

If you are going to say something only to be a douishe bag. Don’t.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

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by Wonko on Jul 20, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

what? no spelling correction....

 on the “DOUCHE” bag? but you flag me for missing an H on TROPHIES?, if i had any feelings they might be hurt!

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by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Jul 20, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

don't worry, he was, in fact, mocking him and his "wonderful" spelling

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by creanium on Jul 20, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

true story.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

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by Wonko on Jul 21, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

if you smoke enough crack

 like you obviously must, rex grossman might even appear to be better. I almost was going to say Jamarcus but theres not enough drugs combined in the world for that to be true
 Rivers is an ELITE QB, right up there with eli’s big brother. eli manning is at least 1 tier below, if not 2. eli won a ring because a ball DIDNT bounce of Tyree’s helmet, Rivers lost his chance at one when the ball DID bounce off VJ’s heel

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by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Jul 20, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I asked for specific situations

And I got “The dude never shuts up”.

So, all I have to do is show a situation in a game where he’s not talking, and that argument goes poof, right?

Regardless, I read the rest of your comment, and I appreciate that you would be a fan if he was a Raider.

But that wasn’t my point. My point is that the “Rivers is a jerk” meme is perpetuated by stuff like “[he] never shuts up”, with no specific situation listed.

by Nohm on Jul 19, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's hard to argue with a homer

…but what the hell:

To say he’s a jerk is a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact (obviously). It’s inane to try and corner someone into listing a string of occurrences when the statement was a generalized remark about someone’s personal take on someone else’s personality as a whole. It’d be like me telling you to prove that he’s not a jerk (which by the way, you have offered less counter examples than have been offered as “proof” that he is a jerk – dismissing someone’s opinion out of hand doesn’t prove your or enhance your argument [“So, all I have to do is show a situation in a game where he’s not talking, and that argument goes poof, right?”).

I could go on, but I care less about Rivers and more about someone trying to prove a point without citing any examples of their own and only holding others to a burden of proof, as the law refers to it. The bottom line is that Rivers IS widely viewed as a jerk, a statement I presume you’ve heard – as we all have – time and time again or else A) You’d have nothing to be arguing with others (read: There’d be nothing to even be discussing) and B) You’ve heard it so often that you felt the need to contumaciously respond to someone’s opinion. Put simply, if so many people are saying it – Raiders fans in LA, Chiefs fans in KC, etc – then maybe there’s something to it, hmm? Unless you’re suggesting that the many fans who feel this way are actually wrong in their opinion? Nah, you’re not so arrogant as to actually tell someone they’re wrong to feel as they do on a subject, right? Right? Maybe I’m wrong on that, too.

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by Casper01 on Jul 20, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's *exactly* about the burden of proof

The person making the positive claim (e.g., “Rivers is a jerk”) has to support that claim… I have no obligation to show the claim to be wrong, or to give counter-examples. As I don’t carry the burden of proof, I have every right to dismiss his claim out of hand as it was not SUPPORTED .

If I said, “Prove to me that you don’t owe me $100,000”, who do you think has the burden of proof?

So, when someone says “Rivers is a jerk”, and I ask them to support that claim, and they return with vague statements of questionable meaning (e.g., “dude never shuts up”), I honestly don’t see anything wrong with this.

Also, whether or not I’m a homer is irrelevant. If someone said “Cassel is a jerk”, I would have the same opinion… I just don’t particularly care about that particular claim.

“The bottom line is that Rivers IS widely viewed as a jerk, a statement I presume you’ve heard – as we all have – time and time again”… exactly my point. And when these people, both ESPN pundits and man-on-the-street, are asked to support their claims, they all fall back on “well, everyone thinks so” or “there was that one time he yelled at Cutler”, hence why I call it an annoying meme.

As for Raider and Chiefs fans… what? I’m supposed to be shocked that fans of divisional rivals dislike Rivers? Until they bring evidence, their opinions are like farts in the breeze, just like any unsupported opinions I have about their players are.

It’s not arrogance to say “support your claim”. When I tell someone that they’re wrong to feel as they do on a subject, you can then call me out on it, and not before.

by Nohm on Jul 20, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can I sit next to you at the game?

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by Buck Melanoma on Jul 17, 2010 3:48 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

My take...

Chargers
 Instead of the post-season they will extend their choking abilities to the regular season this year.

Broncos
McD will keep running them into the ground. Enough said.

Raiders
Too much speed, not enough football IQ.

The AFC West is wide open this year. Don’t fool yourself Chargers you are a worst team than last year and yet couldn’t win one game int he playoffs. Yeah, I know the Chiefs haven’t made the playoffs in forever but we are talking about this year. This year you are worst than last year. We are much better. The Broncos are worst and the Raiders are better. It’s wide open and that’s what you are really afraid of so stop talking tough the door is closing on you guys fast. You can’t put everything on Rivers shoulders. He isn’t Peyton Manning and you guys are far from being the Colts.

Jamaal Charles...Enough said.

by Chiefsfan85 on Jul 16, 2010 6:37 PM PDT reply actions  

COME BACK AFTER OPENING DAY AND.....

 we will talk then, until then, all your doing is assuming, and you know what that means!

PS, your right, Rivers isnt manning, hes better(2nd highest career QB rating OF ALL TIME, trailing only steve young), and as far as the colts, head to head, we have beaten them the last 4 of 5 meetings, so i aint a scared of them neither!

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by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Jul 16, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

We'll talk after the first and second meeting :)

Rivers better than Manning? I hate both QB’s but he isn’t even close. Then again really can’t compare until after both careers are over.

Jamaal Charles...Enough said.

by Chiefsfan85 on Jul 16, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

At this point in their careers, they’re comparable but to say one is better than the other at this point is just silly. Rivers higher QB rating is partially due from coming into a better situation than Peyton did.

Both great QBs. Doesn’t matter who’s better.

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by John Gennaro on Jul 17, 2010 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting

“At this point in their careers, they’re comparable but to say one is better than the other at this point is just silly.”

I wonder if you’d feel this way if Rivers was the one with the Super Bowl ring and not Eli.

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by Casper01 on Jul 20, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

even if that's true

Assume we lose 4 more games than last year (9-7) and assume the chiefs win 4 more games than last year (8-8) we still beat the chefs. Lets see, key injuries in the first game, so basically had rookies playing key positions. Now, healthy and heaven forbid injuries, our guys have a season under their belts. Remember, our defense came on at the end of the year against some tough teams. (cowboys, bengals) Soooooooo, dream on and stock up on bar b que sauce, I hear crow tastes better with bar b que sauce. We should have a running game this year. Only time will tell, but we didn’t have one last year. Funny you mention the colts. Who has eliminated them 2 out of the last 3 years in the playoffs? One here and one in Indy. Can the chefs do that?

by irishlad on Jul 16, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

its “worse,” not “worst”

by Its Mikey!! on Jul 16, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok, the Donald Duck is pretty funny

I’m going to save that one.

Now, coming from a Chiefs fan here, I believe the Chargers are bound to drop off. This is a team that went 8-8 two seasons ago, and I don’t see how the ‘10 iteration is any better than that ’08 version. Then again, maybe the 13-3 team from last season is true to the talent…I don’t know. I just feel that your team is too dependent on Rivers, and with your (very good) LT and (great) WR out, there’s going to be a negative affect on his production. Matthews may be the real deal at RB, but he’s coming from a relatively minor college conference & there is bound to be some addition to the learning curve because of that. Honestly, beyond Rivers and Gates, who can you count on? On defense, you have Jammer & a pretty good safety (can’t recall his name). You also have some talent at LB, but there’s a lot riding on Merriman coming back to his old form…which he’s 2 years removed from. The SD defense could be ok, or it could be awful…it’s hard for me to guess.

As for KC fans, yes we are excited, for a lot of reasons. I won’t go into detail here, but we now have a proven coaching staff (who can gameplan) and a lot of young talent installed since 2008. Our success is dependent on these young players making incremental improvements this year, and for some of the rookie class to step in and play like professionals. It’s probably too much to ask, but we are “fans” so we are hopeful.

As for Cassel, I don’t think he’s nearly as bad as what you think…he did play poorly 2x vs. SD, so that’s probably where the impressions come from. No, his overall numbers weren’t very good last year, but had the receivers had the league average in drops (as opposed to nearly setting an NFL record in the category) his stats would have been significantly better. His sack rate was also 50% lower over the second half of the season…he and his OL are learning the system, and improving. The main thing I like about Cassel is that he doesn’t panic under pressure. I believe he was one of the best red zone QBs last season, and he made good decisions when it was most important. He’ll be working with an improved OL, along with two additional legit receiving targets this season, so we should know what he’s all about over the next few months.

In any case, certainly looking forward to the Monday Night Opener…!

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Jul 16, 2010 9:39 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Me too

Hope to be there with my KC fan wife.

Excited to visit Arrowhead & party with some of the reported best ’gaters in the NFL.

Here’s to a good game. Cheers!

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by Buck Melanoma on Jul 17, 2010 3:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rec'd and responses

This is a team that went 8-8 two seasons ago, and I don’t see how the ‘10 iteration is any better than that ’08 version. Then again, maybe the 13-3 team from last season is true to the talent…I don’t know.

Looking at the roster, the 2008, 2009 and 2010 teams are all very similar to each other. The optimist in me wants to say:

2008 – No Merriman
2009 – Not-yet-healthy Merriman
2010 – Healthy Merriman!

but that’s a crapshoot so I won’t. Really, the biggest difference from the 2008 team to the 2009 team is simple. They picked up 5 more wins because their schedule got easier and because we replaced a truly terrible DC (Ted Cottrell) with a pretty good DC (Ron Rivera). This year? Still Rivera, and if anything the schedule is ever easier (NFC West instead of NFC East). I’d look for something closer to the 13 wins than the 8.

I just feel that your team is too dependent on Rivers, and with your (very good) LT and (great) WR out, there’s going to be a negative affect on his production.

Debatable. Rivers has a history of playing with less-than-elite WRs and being just fine. His 2006 WRs were Eric Parker and a past-his-prime Keenan McCardell, and yet he still managed to finish the season with a QB rating over 90. Rivers is generally seen as one of the smartest QBs in the league, it’s a big reason why his QB rating when going against a blitz is nearly-perfect, and Norv is no dummy either. They understand that they may need to call less bombs and more 10-yard passes. Rivers has never had a history of getting sacked a bunch of holding onto the ball too long, and that’s not because he’s had great protection.

Look back at his NC State teams, with their terrible offensive lines and the competition being much better than them, and watch how he gets the ball our quickly and drags his team to victory. So yes, neither of us know the effect of not having McNeill and Jackson out there will be, but it’s not like Rivers doesn’t know how to throw a short pass and Norv doesn’t know how to call one. These guys will figure it out, and they still have the tools to succeed.

Matthews may be the real deal at RB, but he’s coming from a relatively minor college conference & there is bound to be some addition to the learning curve because of that.

I don’t mean to be rude, but this is a very out-dated mindset. This is what I would call an ESPN mindset. As football grows into the giant that it is, and technology gets better, and people learn and have new ways to analyze and trade information…..kids coming out of anywhere are roughly on the same level.

How long did it take for Matt Forte (Tulane) to succeed in Chicago? What about Tim Hightower (Richmond) in Arizona? Or Chris Johnson (East Carolina) in Tennessee? Times have changed from what they were just a few years ago. These days, talent is talent.

Honestly, beyond Rivers and Gates, who can you count on?

I don’t think it would be ridiculous to count on Legedu Naanee and Malcom Floyd to be as good as they’ve been for the past couple of seasons, even if they are moving up a spot on the depth chart.

On defense, you have Jammer & a pretty good safety (can’t recall his name).

Allow me to introduce you to Mr. Eric Weddle.

Please do not forget his name again.

You also have some talent at LB, but there’s a lot riding on Merriman coming back to his old form…which he’s 2 years removed from. The SD defense could be ok, or it could be awful…it’s hard for me to guess.

I completely agree, but remain confident. The defense was just OK last year. This is a team that may need a good defense to win the Super Bowl (or even get there), but it doesn’t need it to win 10+ games and win the division. The offense is perfectly capable of doing that itself. Anything more than “OK” from the Chargers defense should make the rest of the league very nervous.

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by John Gennaro on Jul 17, 2010 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

kids coming out of anywhere are roughly on the same level.

I’m not terribly convinced of this, but I think in general what John’s saying is mostly true. More specifically, for RBs, the ability to generate momentum is what counts, and while production might be slightly overstated on small-school wonders, the real considerations are mass-at-speed and injuries, the latter of which are mostly unforeseeable.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jul 18, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Most think that the Chargers have come back to the field....I agree.....

You can get by with out Jackson, but not with out McNeill. Rivers is good….but EVERY great QB had a a very good LT. I laugh at the arrogance of AJ Smith…the guy is a peanut.
Unfortunately for all of us, the AFC West is the WEAKEST division in all of football….except maybe the NFC West. If you put any of the AFC West teams in the AFC East, fro example, they would be lucky to finish 3rd.

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by boydy2669 on Jul 17, 2010 7:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Must be a drag

to have a peanut eat your lunch every season. The Chiefs, Broncos and Raiders all have middling talent behind center and WR. I like MHR, but the readers have been predicting the demise of the Chargers every season, it’s greatly exagerated. The LT argument is superficially interesting, but Wonko did some nice work dismantling it here. The defenses of all three teams are middling. Overall I agree with John, the Chargers should take the AFC West, I do think they will hard pressed to go anywhere in the playoffs without McNeill or Jackson.

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by Brian (DaBolts) on Jul 17, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I do think they will hard pressed to go anywhere in the playoffs without McNeill or Jackson.

When then it’s a good thing they’re likely to come back by game 10 and contribute in the playoffs.

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by creanium on Jul 17, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

*well it's a good thing

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by creanium on Jul 17, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know that you'll

miss LT so much on the field, but he brought a swagger to SD that they really hadn’t had since Air Coryell…we’ll know more about LT this season as he lines up for another Schottenheimer in NY. If he has a good season, we might be able to lend credence to his claim that the OL and scheme in SD is declining. If McNeill doesn’t play it’ll be even worse, though Tra Thomas still has some tread on his tires.

The Chargers should be favored, now doubt there…still history doesn’t always dictate future. Example: The Cincinati Bengals

2008 -4-11-1
2009 10-6 ( should have been 11-5 were it not for the fluke in Donkeyville)

I can hear the but Jason Campbell and Matt Cassel aren’t Carson Palmer, etc. And you’re right, but strange things happen every season. Almost by default, either the Chiefs, Raiders, or Broncos will step up and challenge the Dolts. On paper, it appears the Raiders have done the best job in a decade of positioning themselves the challenge. I’m not sure it’ll be enough because there’s a lot of “ifs” based on young players developing. IF Mario Henderson can prove he’s a legit Left Tackle. IF Rober Gallery can stay healthy at LG. IF one of the young Tackles we drafted develops quickly, we could have a decent OL that keeps Campbell breathing and upright. IF Chaz Schillens can avoid the injury but, and IF all the stuff we’ve heard about DHB and Murphy lighting up our secondary in OTAs carries over to full contact our WRs will be pretty good. IF Jason Campbell can cut down on his sacks and complete passes in rhythm to his WRs we’ll have a quantum leap in QB play, and it will discourage teams from loading the box to stop the run. IF that happens, lanes will be there for McFadden to finally develop into the weapon everyone thought he would be IF he can hold on the ball and IF he can stay healthy. IF Hue Jackson is the OC we’re all being told he is, then we could have the makings of a special unit…for a while.

On defense, IF Dick Seymour still wants to win and isn’t just there to collect his 12mil, and IF John Henderson still has some gas in the tank and can command a double team on every snap, and IF Matt Shaugnessy can build on his late season success, and IF LaMarr Houston is as good as advertised our front four could be very very good. IF Rolando McClain can transition from a 3-4 Sam backer to a 4-3 Mike backer and, and if Kamerion Wimbley can make strides along the same lines, and IF Trevor Scott can function as the Will backer, we’ll have some big, fast, angry LBs. Our secondary has fewer IFs, but one jumps out at me. IF Michael Huff can transition to CB, that would give us two big, physical corners, and allow Chris Johnson to move to the Nickle back and leave Staford Routt on the bench…where he belongs. I like our young safetys in Mitchell and Branch, and Walter McFadden could develop, too.

It’s still a lot of IFs…hopefully the preseason gives me a decent look at how some of those questions will be answered.

by transparent58 on Jul 19, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

he brought a swagger to SD that they really hadn’t had since Air Coryell

I think perhaps you’ve mixed up LT with Rivers.

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by John Gennaro on Jul 19, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nope

LT was the leader, and his exellence enabled Rivers to devop, both as a QB and Cocky Trash Talker :)

by transparent58 on Jul 19, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

I know you didn’t get a chance to watch all the games, so I know this might be difficult to figure, but LT has never EVER been a leader. Never. It was Brees, then it was Rivers. LT was probably the most talented Chargers player ever, but he was timid, reserved, resentful and very much an individual. He was not a leader. He brought no swagger.

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by John Gennaro on Jul 19, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

He brought winning

which brings swagger…and a couple guys named Allworth and Fouts want to beat your ass right now for putting LT above them…Hell Kellen Winslow might send his “soldya” of a son after you…

And leading stems from making plays…you don’t have to run your mouth to be a leader…no Charger of the past 10 years has made more plays than LaDanian Tomlinson…

Brees was and is a great leader, though. I’ve been a fan of his since the Purdue days. He’s in the Jared Allen category of players I’m so glad aren’t in the division anymore…

by transparent58 on Jul 19, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would say

that of all the AFC West offseason moves, I’ve liked the Raiders the best. I still see problems at WR and the OLine for them, but overall they took a quantum leap from last year; I don’t think enough to take the division but that is why they play the games.

I disagree just a bit on your evaluation of LT. While you are right that in 2006 he was the man; and his ability to dominate in the running game let Rivers develop. In 2007, that started to shift, I would say it was still 50-50, but when Rivers went out with the torn ACL into the AFC Championship team, things changed. From that point on, LT has been respected, but Rivers was the unquestioned offensive leader. By the end of last season I think that shift was so obvious, it weighed on LT.

I’ll admit spending much of the 2008 season saying LT hadn’t lost a step; but by last season it was just painfully obvious. Now Matthews won’t be LT, but it seems pretty clear that he will be better than LT is now. Against the Raiders LT always brought his A game, something I think he got from Schottenheimer, so I can see why you might see it differently, but in watching all the games last year, he was clearly just a step slow.

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by Brian (DaBolts) on Jul 19, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Err

That should say AFC Championship game, not team…

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by Brian (DaBolts) on Jul 19, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get you

I’m not sure how much LT has in the tank, either, but I don’t know that your OL is as good in the past couple years under Norv as it was under Marty, either. With the Jets, he’ll be fresh, and have a stellar line in front of him. Mangold and Ferguson are road graders…and playing for Brian Schottenheimer probably won’t hurt the guy, much, either.

Rivers earned my respect in that post season, as I’m sure he did his teammates. Still, whether LT’s leadership was just built up in the media or the real deal, he was the public face of the Chargers. The lights will be brighter and hotter on Rivers in his absence. I expect Philthy Phil to step up, but when you subtract his best WR and give him a rookie RB to take hand offs things might get a little dicey.

As for the Raiders, the WRs are unproven, but SD folks should know about Schillens, since he was and Aztec. The kid’s got skills, just can’t stay healthy. DHB and Murphy have been in Alameda since two weeks after the Super Bowl working with Gradkowski and on their hands. They’re tremendous athletes that are willing to work to get better. I like that none of our WRs is a diva. All reports from OTAs say that DHB has been greatly improved, but I’ll wait to see how he does in pad with live hitting before I say he’s turned the corner.

The OL is the big question mark. I don’t know that we can accurately guage how good or bad they were last year based on the QB. Campbell took a lot of sacks in Washington, but I don’t think anyone could have worse pocket presence than JaPukeus. I will say the OL looked better, as well as the entire team, when Grad took over…

All this is on paper, and until I see how it plays out between the chalk, I’ll say this is the most optimistic I’ve been for a season since 2002…

by transparent58 on Jul 19, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

EVERY great QB had a a very good LT

I don’t know that Peyton has ever had a very good LT. Brady either.

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by John Gennaro on Jul 17, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Charlie Johnson is decidedly a below-average LT protecting Peyton

And Matt Light is just average in protecting Brady. Though Sebastian Vollmer is solid (and actually better at pass blocking than Marcus).

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by creanium on Jul 17, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

This is why I didn’t want the Chiefs to draft an offensive tackle in the top 5. Even superbowl winning teams with good left tackles got them in later rounds like Diehl in NY. Jonathan Ogden and Orlando Pace were dominant forces and I think they were both taken as the top pick in the draft.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Jul 18, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pace went No. 1 in 1997

Ogden went No. 4 in 1996

Pace was the first OL to be taken at No. 1 since 1968. Jake Long was the second…

by transparent58 on Jul 19, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Walter Jones

in Seattle was pretty good. The Left side of that line the year they were Super was phenomenal.

by transparent58 on Jul 19, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

uhhhhhhh

we swept your mighty nfc east last year…. just saying

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by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Jul 18, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Broncos...

It seems like you have the facts down pretty well. Your grades on the new defensive three are even fair. I’m impressed, even, that you didn’t call Jamal old and injury prone (he was elite last time he was on the field, an arm injury and a vacation shouldn’t change that).

Here’s where you’re off: The defense. We Bronco fans are much more concerned with our offense. Even after the epic collapse last year, we had the 7th ranked defense… 3rd ranked pass defense (only gave up one 300 yard passing game). You saw the problem at the back end of the season. So you must have seen that the problem was stopping the run when our line wore down. But you also saw our FA pickups… the entire line. Plus, we’ve got last year’s starters as this year’s backups. That’s a fix, IMO. I don’t expect you to say it’s an awesome fix, but when you acknowledge the problem late, you see that the problem was stopping the run, and you acknowledge that the entire line has been upgraded by a large margin… well, how can you not take from that that the defense will be better or even the same (7th)?

The offense has questions. We think D. Thomas and Eric Decker will be stud receivers. We think that our early round draft picks will provide us with a bigger push on the interior OL to help our running game get back on track this year. And we think that Orton will be slightly impoved (at least) in his 2nd year in this complicated system. But…….. We do realize that the new receivers taking up for losing Marshall could take time. And we do realize that an offensive line with potentially two rookies will take time to get gelling.

In short, I liked the post. And I rec’d it. I think you have the details pretty much on and you’ve done your homework. It’s the opinion on the defense, the big picture, that I think is off.

Two off-seasons, four 1st round selections, four 2nd round selections - a terrific defense and a young, highly drafted offense that will be. I never predicted playoffs last year, but I certainly do this year...

by Alex on Jul 17, 2010 3:54 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Appreciate the insight

To answer the Jamal thing….yes, I looked at the last time he was on the field and saw that he was still dominant. I wonder if he’ll be able to stay healthy is all. His knees are notoriously falling apart, and he’s an old man that’s been carrying a lot of weight for a lot of years. I’m kindof hoping there’s no good NT behind him.

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by John Gennaro on Jul 17, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

When a receiver goes down, he misses important time gaining timing with his QB. When a veteran NT goes down with an injury he doesn’t have to later stand on, it’s a vacation.

Until last season’s arm injury, he played an average of 15 games per year over the last___ years…. at an elite level. I don’t see any reason for that to have changed. Going to a new team, in fact, has a tendency of getting the best play out of guys like him.

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by Alex on Jul 17, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

The blank in there is because I’m drunk and too lazy too re-look it up. It’s correct, I just don’t remember for sure how long it was that he averaged 15 games per year.

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by Alex on Jul 17, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think John's point was

That even though he played those games and even though he played them at an elite level he was also playing through multiple injuries. Some of those injuries (like the knees) seem like they were starting to add up.

I probably shouldn’t add fuel to Bronco fan arguments, but before we cut Jamal I liked to point out the career of Ted Washington. Washington was a 4 time Pro Bowler and coming off an All Pro season when 14 games at age 34 with injury. He played 10 games in his comeback season and then all 16 games for the next 3 years (albeit for really crappy teams). I could see Jamal doing that, but, of course, Jamal is not Ted Washington and Ted Washington is not Jamal. So we’ll see.

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by Wonko on Jul 18, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

this

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by John Gennaro on Jul 18, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

And don't forget Bronco fans

That Jamal’s first knee injury in the NFL was casued by a downfeild clip during a game with the Broncos. See??? It all comes around. If the knee goes out this year you’ll know its karma.

by Trendsearcher on Jul 19, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have heard that karma is a bitch

I don’t like to gossip though.

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by Wonko on Jul 19, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

This author gave a shallow analysis of a pretty stellar 2009 Broncos Defense. Especially considering how we played on that side of the ball the last couple of years. Our defense was shutting down team completely in the beginning of the season, but just didn’t have the size or energy to hold up against the run as the season dragged on. Teams were able to run down the clock on our… less than explosive (to put it nicely) offense. Without the ability to score a lot of point quickly, we just couldn’t win our games, even though many of them were close – even against very good teams (Philly and Indy). So although you (John the Author) had some fair things to say about Denver, the fact that everyone keeps saying she should have used our high-end draft picks on Defense just keeps stumping me. It just shows how shallow the analysis is on opposing teams – which is pretty disappointing considering we are your division rivals. I sure hope your team thinks like you do though, I love it when you guys underestimate us. We won’t be doing the same for you. Vincent’s hold-out (although not at all surprising) isn’t going to affect your game plan too much, but your LT putting on the brakes could really jack some stuff up unless you’ve got a young guy ready to step up (much like our O-Line will be needing this year). Honestly the toughest thing I see the Chargers dealing with is getting a good running game going. The line hasn’t shown much of any push the last couple years (which is why I think LT declined there and will have a good season in NY) especially with that rookie RB still needing to adjust to the speed of the progame. The LB and Secondary in college move in slow motion compared to the NFL. We’ll see how long it takes him to find his nich, especially if your O-line can’t step it up.

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by Alexander Wall on Jul 17, 2010 5:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Allow me to reiterate why everyone thinks your defense isn’t great…..


Those 2 games they won? They gave up 6 points to the Giants and 13 to the Chiefs. The 8 they lost during that stretch? 30, 28, 27, 32, 38, 20, 30, 44.

You can talk about those first 6 weeks all you want, but when my team is giving up those many points in half of it’s games….I want to work on the defense. Especially when my DC got all the credit and then skipped town.

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by John Gennaro on Jul 17, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh?

Who’s talking about what? I said that our defense was SHUTTING TEAMS DOWN in the beginning of the season, but that we failed to hold up against the run in the end of the season. I said the analysis of our defense was shallow because only the points were looked at, and not the run/pass defense statistics seperately. We were the 3rd best past defense in the league and that INCLUDES the 2-8 finish you seem to continue to point out as if I care. Wave your division titles in my face all you want, but until your team can actually make it to the big game it really doesn’t bother me, lol. I’d rather my team win a superbowl as a wildcard contender than take the 1st or 2nd seed in the AFC just to blow it in the first postseason game. Wait didn’t Denver already win as a wildcard? That’s right, they were only one of the greatest teams to ever take the field. Didn’t San Diego dominate the AFC and then drop the ball in January? That’s right, that already happened too.

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by Alexander Wall on Jul 17, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

P.S.

Who needs to waste draft picks on the Defensive Line if you can answer that problem in free agency – namely by stealing away your biggest rival’s best Defensive Lineman (sounds like another Neil Smith story to me)? We didn’t have any problems stopping teams through the air, it was the ground game that killed us. We plugged that hole before the draft ever came around, so why waste the picks? Your football logic baffles me sir Gennaro. Especially the bit about our DC. Mike Nolan AND Josh McDaniels were coaching and gameplanning that defense. Nolan just called the plays on gameday. It WOULD matter if we hired a new DC who’s implementing a new system. That would set all of our players back. But we didn’t. McDaniels promoted from within somebody who’s running a very similar system and building off of what we didn last year – not starting over. I roflcopter everytime these outside folks start thinking they know whats happening with the Broncos. MHR has a lot of insiders that give better and more accurate coverage than most of the major Denver media outlets, and even WE don’t have this 2010 team pegged.

If you scoured for news outside of ESPN and NFLN you’d know that Denver HAS addressed its defensive woes and it happened BEFORE the draft. So keep preaching your analysis that McDaniels is running the team into the ground by only watching the offense. Lol. Shallow, shallow, shallow; and i’ll say I’d say it a thousand times if I was bored enough to. I’m sure, however, that nobody here cares about anything I have to say about the topic (or even the topic itself for that matter) so I bid you adue Sir. Good luck this season. Your defensive/offensive lines are going to need it (maybe even more badly than our own do finally, hahaha).

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by Alexander Wall on Jul 17, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I would have to agree with John on that point.

In the Bronco analysis he didn’t even touch on the coaching situation which I think Bronco fans of all people, after seeing last years defense, should understand the impact and influence of good coaching.

Nolan came in and took underwhelming players, other then a few studs in the secondary, put them in a new scheme and made them look way better then they were. Regardless of what the reason they collapsed the second half of the season, it was Nolans coaching that made them appear respectable.

Now Nolan is gone and whether his playbook is there or they build off what he left you still lose his expertise, motivation and most importantly play calling on Sundays. What you do is replace him with a guy that has a very average resume at best where his only DC experiece are for two very underwhelming college programs(7+ years ago) and his only 3-4 experience is whatever he soaked up last year.

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by GenericBrand on Jul 17, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought the Denver just wilted last year

We used to see it in San Diego too. The weak Offense looses the time of possession battle. The D gets tired and fatigued, and makes mistakes. Also more time on the field = more film to show tendencies. What does any coach need for game planning? Tendencies.

They’ve added free agents. If the Denver Offense improves this year, the Denver Defense will too. If the D is hung out to dry, I’m not sure a pro-bowl defense could hold up.

by Trendsearcher on Jul 19, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kinda funny how the arrogance shatters any realism of the truth...

The Broncos, Chiefs and tRaiders all have SuperBowl wins. Until you get one I wouldn’t gloat too much…

by bfree2bronc on Jul 17, 2010 9:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Stop living in the past, and live in the now. Past Super Bowl wins have zero bearing on the teams as they are today

Just because my grandfather was a farmer in Minnesota 60 years ago doesn’t mean I know jack shit about growing corn today.

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by creanium on Jul 17, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're reading WAY too far into his comment.

All he was saying is our fanbase has two back-to-back lombardi trophies sitting at invesco that we get to revel over when we think back on our glory days. You guys have a few division titles. He obviously wasn’t trying to imply that because a team from the nineties won a couple SB’s that the new players know how to win. Lol. It obviously ruffled your feathers though.

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by Alexander Wall on Jul 17, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody said the Chargers were the better franchise. I was just saying I think they’ll win the division this year. I think you read too far into the post.

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by John Gennaro on Jul 18, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fear only those things you cannot control...

Craterface (Turner) will have a team ready to play this fall, the only thing is, which team will show up? It seems like you all have a couple of scared rabbits over there who are not sure they really want to be a part of the demise! But! Let’s just see how it all unfolds this fall…OK?

by bfree2bronc on Jul 18, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

and if elway hadnt been a

little b*tch and whine before the draft about going to baltimore, forcing a trade to the shetland ponies, you wouldnt have those either. all of the raider tropies should have asterisks for steroids, so really, the only legitimate one is KC.

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by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Jul 18, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we are taking away "tropies" for steroids

Then we’ll have to take them all away. There hasn’t been a “clean” team yet to win and there never will be. The advantages of steroids are so great in football and the testing is a total joke. Its easier to accept that the sport has been and always will be dirty and just live with it.

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by Wonko on Jul 19, 2010 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah!

and it’s ok if you take steroids because then you can be a Rookie of the Year!

Jamaal Charles...Enough said.

by Chiefsfan85 on Jul 19, 2010 3:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

thats a pretty arrogant...

statement there, homeslice. the so called “truth” you speak of, is, in the here and now, the My little Ponies have yet to prove they can even finish a season on a winning not, let alone make the play-offs, and this year looks to be more(or less actually) of the same

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by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Jul 20, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

These long Donkey fan responses

Are giving me a headache.

I will give advice that a wise sage once told me: Paragraphs.

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by Wonko on Jul 17, 2010 11:41 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Ha Ha...yep...That's what they call it...a headache!

Hey, it’s all good, we’ll have fun this year for sure…

by bfree2bronc on Jul 18, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

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