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With the Chargers left tackle, Marcus McNeill and wide receiver, Vincent Jackson both holding out for long term contracts, it seems that there is no good way out where one side does not end up losing face.  Both sides have legitimate concerns that seem intractable; is there a creative way out of this standoff?

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The Chargers issues center around the uncertainty of the next Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA).  With the expiration of the agreement this year and preparations for a lock-out next season, the idea of getting locked into long term contracts with their Pro Bowlers is a risk.  Will teams that spend a lot during this uncapped year have to pay the piper?  If a new CBA includes a cap, will the Bolts be stuck when other talents come along?  The fact that they can put off this decision with the tender offers makes business sense.  Also if the agreement ends up looking like this uncapped year, that leaves the Chargers with two useful franchise/transition tags, they could potentially keep both players even if neither signs.  Finally, the Chargers really should rework tight end Antonio Gates' contract first, since his contract expires at the end of this season; if they bow to this type of holdout it will just lead to more holdouts.

The players have legitimate concerns too.  Football is a violent sport, both holdouts are playing at a level that should earn huge multi-year contracts.  From Vincent Jackson's viewpoint he has just watched receiver Brandon Marshall of the Broncos get a 47 million dollar contract for five years by behaving like an ass and getting traded.  Jackson has also struggled with injuries early in his career, so he is aware of just how fleeting an NFL career might be.  One bad hit on a knee and he could be losing out on that huge payday.  While he has had the two DUI's and the bone headed penalty in the playoff game against the Jets last season, he has become a spectacular down-field threat for Rivers.  If Jackson played this season he would have gotten 3 million, but next to the likely 10-20 mil guaranteed money that is small change.  Would I give up the security of a big money contract for three million dollars?  I'm honestly not sure.

Marcus McNeill has been a three time Pro Bowler as a second round draft pick.  He has been a phenomenal player for the Chargers from day one.  While his run blocking has been sometimes uneven, he is rock solid in protecting Rivers, the Chargers all important franchise quarterback.  Wonko wrote a great post about teams that play at a high level without a franchise left tackle, it is still better to have one.  McNeill has the added bonus of being a good citizen, not only avoiding off-field incidents, but conducting kids programs on his own time.  Apart from the holdout he has been the ideal player.  He too has seen how fragile even he can be when he slipped in a drill and ended up spending the beginning of last season on the bench with a neck injury;.

So the question is how do you let the Chargers not give out a long term contract in this chaotic business environment, while also providing some level of security for the players against being injured.  Since we are talking about accidental injury, the obvious answer is insurance.  The cost of a disability insurance premium for a football player is about $15,000 per $1-million of coverage.  20 million dollars of coverage would cost about $300,000.  This contract would be a bit unusual and could be more, but my understanding is that LLoyd's of London will do almost any kind of policy.  If the Chargers were to buy two policies it would add roughly $600,000 of cost to their payroll, but allow them to keep two Pro Bowl caliber players, and have the shot at signing them to long term contracts when this season is over.  The Chargers would also need to back off lowering their salaries and let them play for the roughly three million they were slated to earn before the signing deadline passed.  Why might this work?

Everyone is going to have to eat a little crow, McNeill and Jackson don't get the long term contracts they have demanded and play the season at a discounted contract price.  The Chargers have to back off their reduction of the contracts and eat an additional $600,000, or perhaps more, in insurance fees.  The upside of this solution is that everyone gets what they need.  The players can play without worrying about putting that huge payday in jeopardy, and the Chargers get to have their Pro-Bowlers at a discount for the whole season and maintain enough good will to have a shot at negotiating the long term contracts.  So AJ, Marcus, VJ; grab a conference room and hug it out bitches.

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Agreed

I assume this is a scenario on the radar for all parties, and despite the rhetoric I’m optimistic that something will get worked out. I’ll actually begin to worry about their absences when/if they’re not signed and around the team by the 3rd preseason game. I think we should be patient and not over-believe any public agent/GM statements before training camp, even trade rumors.

by Lenny Suckerpunch on Jun 30, 2010 11:25 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm glad to see that other's acknowledge that it's not all player greed

I’ve often wondered why insurance is never offered to get players into camp in the event that they get injured prior to signing a multiyear contract. This would ensure that rookies, in particular, get the benefit of a full camp without the fear of getting a career ending injury that will rob them of a big pay day.

by The Gorn on Jun 30, 2010 12:07 PM PDT reply actions  

It is a nice thought

But usually it’s hard to get insurance in excess of the true market value of an asset. Check out the story about the "million dollar box of cigars".

If the team signs the guys for 3 million, I think it might be hard to get outside insurance above that number.

Would I give up the security of a big money contract for three million dollars?

Remember neither guy has made that much money to date. And in two and a half years it is highly likely that neither can complete the long term big money contract. Both guys just let the bird in his hand get away.

by Trendsearcher on Jun 30, 2010 2:25 PM PDT reply actions  

If you look at the market

It’s not an unreasonable amount and would likely represent just the guaranteed portion of any contract. Beckham took out a 200 million policy when his earnings were about 30 mil/year, that was about 6-7 times his yearly take. Even six to seven times just the 3 would be right around 20 mil; I would be surprised if they couldn’t get the policy done.

And the team has the bird in hand problem too, because as we know, draft choices don’t always pan out, these guys already have.

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by Brian (DaBolts) on Jun 30, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

If VJ gets traded

and it looks like a posibility right now, the team that gets him will probably sign him to a multi year contract for far more than the 3 mil he was offered. So he may be o.k. in the bird department.

by JeromeB on Jun 30, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I totally agree about the not panning out bit

There are three ways a team can get talent, AJ only uses two. And he has a propensity to let ’em walk. It seems like the bucket should empty out faster than it is getting filled.

…. And yet somehow he manages to field a competitive team?

Magic!

by Trendsearcher on Jul 1, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

So… let me get this straight… they play football for a living, a game they love, and get treated like superstars in their community. And instead of earning “only” 3 million dollars they stop playing and look like jerks so they can get even more money?

God, I hate proffessional athletes.

by TecateBoltsFan on Jun 30, 2010 7:23 PM PDT reply actions  

it comes down to this:

if you worked at a job that you believed that you were absolutely the best at, you’d want to be paid like so. If you knew that you made less money than someone who you believed had less skills than you, you’d be pissed too. It just so happens that professional athletes make millions of dollars, the rest of the world doesn’t.

by Its Mikey!! on Jun 30, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's a time and place set up for earning that kind of money

It’s called free agency. These players aren’t quite there yet, but they want to pretend like they are.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

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by Wonko on Jun 30, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

i completely agree.

i don’t think the chargers or AJ are cheating anyone. they reached RESTRICTED free agency. what AJ is doing is the same thing that every other team is doing as well. the difference is their athletes signed their contracts. VJ and McNeal didn’t.

by Its Mikey!! on Jun 30, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is not that simple

I can understand the sentiment, but football is a brutal sport (true, one that they love, now anyway) that can have severe long term consequences. And, as Mikey correctly points out, the relevant compensation comparison isn’t to a plumber or school teacher, but rather to comparable professionals in the same field.

It’s hard to beat up on the players too badly. They act out of (mostly) rational career considerations. Egged on by agents of course.

by HuangDi on Jun 30, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who signed the current CBA?

Owners & players. Players with the advice of their agents. Owners with the advice of lawyers. Both should have been well-informed of all possibilities.

I really am largely on the side of the players as they’re the ones putting their health on the line. They’re making more money for the owners (in most cities) than the owners are spending, whether it’s via their on-field performance or selling jerseys, etc. So I am about them getting their due.

The big force at work here is the uncertainty of the CBA going forward. Now …. is that really the issue in these cases or is it an excuse to beat these guys up a bit? VJ has his off-field stuff & immature gaffes at critical times in a few games. McNeill has a spinal condition that may be more troubling to the team than any of us know. You can also add in the fact that, while both players are very good, neither is at the top for their position. I put both somewhere in the 6-10 range.

Perhaps the insurance angle would work. It’s intriguing but I’m not familiar with this route being taken. Personally, I think it goes down like this ….

1) VJ is traded & McNeill signs either his original tender or gets a deal. I’ve heard a few murmurings that Mac isn’t as firm on a hold-out as VJ.
2) VJ realizes that no one is going to give him what he wants right now & he (and quite likely McNeill) come in.
3) Status quo

There are more forces at work here than merely AJ & his ego. He’s just the face out front so that’s where many will direct their angst. Arguments can be rightly made & supported that this stance is looking out for the club’s future as much or more as brokering big deals right now.

It’s going to get a lot more interesting before any agreement is reached. I just hope that the dirty laundry stays in-house & not scattered all over the street.

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by Buck Melanoma on Jul 1, 2010 5:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Has there been an instance where AJ caved?

Asking ‘cause I don’t know. From AJ’s perspective if he caves in and gives VJ or McNeil a long term contract in response to a threatened / actual holdout isn’t he just asking for more such behavior? AJ seems like a pretty black and white guy on stuff like this.

by Robo65 on Jul 1, 2010 6:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Worked out pretty well, that.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jul 1, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes it did

Recall that he was a UDFA, and those first few years and Gates was really putting out relative to his pay. I think they re-wrote his contract a year early?

by Trendsearcher on Jul 1, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

They told Gates to come into came and sign his exclusive rights contract for $380,000 or they’d suspend him. Gates did not report on time, so they suspended him for the last 2 preseason games and the first regular season game. Gates signed the contract shortly after the deadline and was able to play in the second regular season game. They then agreed to extension 1 day later.

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by Wonko on Jul 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

It has to be Gates

Gates is probably also part of the reason they don’t want to fork over a lot of cash. They still need to get 85 signed past this season.

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by Wonko on Jul 1, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

And for that, they need to see how his foot handles Training Camp

That’s why I think McNeill will be signed.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jul 1, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gates' foot is fine.

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by Wonko on Jul 1, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

you’ve been watching too much world cup.

by BORTZ on Jul 1, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very speculative that one.

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by Wonko on Jul 1, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lynch

Am i missing something?
isn’t the world set on Supply and Demand – as in WANT & NEED?
what do we NEED – veteran running back
what do we have – an amazing deep threat

did anyone ever look at the fact that Marshawn Lynch is getting pushed away by the Bills. This year, he was getting most of his carries taken away from Fred Jackson, and with the draft of CJ Spiller, there’s not enough carries to go around. We need a guy who can give veteran leadership and solid carries over an unproven Matthews, and with Sproles not able to carry every down

so is Vincent Jackson for Marshawn Lynch not even a possibility?

by KidouttaKali on Jul 1, 2010 4:32 PM PDT reply actions  

NO

Lynch is a mess of a person. NO.

by BORTZ on Jul 1, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Veteran leadership?

From Marshawn Lynch???? He could certainly grind out some yardage for us and many other teams but I think the Chargers are willing to see how we do with the people we have. If VJ gets traded it will be for another WR and/or draftpicks IMHO.

by remmrtn on Jul 1, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good Post Brian

the overall seems to hit home. let’s all take two steps back, take a deep breath, and start over. realistically any thing is negotiable, and it’s not weak to keep good players. but, i’m over it. stay, go i don’t care anymore. i want my vince lombardi. after all that’s still the goal? isn’t it? also to get there we build through the draft and retain good players?

The peanut gallery has spoken!!!

by gatesoftds on Jul 3, 2010 2:47 PM PDT reply actions  

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