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So We've Got Ourselves a Standoff - Analyzing the Chargers' RFA Situation

Things have a changed a little since I wrote my perspective on holdouts. Threats have been made, fans have been irritated and replacement players have been signed. So, I'm going to try and tackle a few questions that have come up regarding the holdouts. I want to preface them by stating that I'm not pro-management. I'd love to see the owners give up more of their money earned from our entertainment. However, in the real world they run a business and I like to think I can put some of their decisions into perspective. I want the players to get t heir money, but certain situations can make that difficult for them and really that's not the owners fault and it's not the players fault; it's probably the union's fault for not fighting harder.

Is A.J. Smith's stance on these players fair?

I've heard some people say that it isn't. I don't agree. When A.J. offered the tenders and decided not to negotiate extensions I don't think he did it to screw anyone or because his ego is too big. I think he did it to buy time. The situation presented to him offered the potential to have these players for another year without taking on the risks that come with a long term contract. He could try to win a championship with them and also continue to evaluate whether the team wanted to offer long term contracts to the players. In all 4 players' cases I understand that stance and I probably would understand it even better if I had the info that the front office does (like Marcus McNeill and Shawne Merriman's medical records or Vincent Jackson's attitude concerning his misbehavior). They are probably asking to be paid quite a lot based on what they've done in the past; however, none of them of surefire locks to perform at the same level in the future.

That being said, if A.J. decides to take the contract renewal option and pay these players 6 figures instead of 7 that strikes me as a little unfair. It is certainly within the rules, but seems more punitive and disincentivizes the players to end their holdouts. That course of action is okay to bluff about (and the fact that A.J. could even bluff us and the player agents on that speaks to how his perception can work in his favor), but seems semi-disastrous if he actually follows through with it. The message sent by offering a 7 figure one year tender is, "I'm offering you a pretty decent contract to allow you to prove yourself for one more year here." The message sent by reducing that to 6 figures is, "I'm trying to screw you out of more money."

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Is what A.J. and the Chargers are doing risky?

Absolutely. However, there are risks no matter what path they take. Offering tenders instead of extensions in the first place is risky. Even if the players sign you risk losing them next year. Signing the players to extensions is risky in the long term, especially when you don't understand the rules going forward (what if their salaries become guaranteed?). And, of course, challenging the players to holdout is risky. You may lose the players for the current season and the only benefit is that you don't have to pay them. In any case, A.J. Smith and the Chargers will need to be held accountable for their actions. The path they choose is not unfair or unwise, but they will have to live with the repercussions.

Why are these players holding out in the first place?

In my last post I basically concluded that they shouldn't hold out. Let me elaborate on that. From a business aspect, a player needs to do everything possible to get his money before he retires. When I talked about the organization I basically said that every branch on the decision tree included some risk. For the player, as long as you get to branch that has the big contract on it then you have chosen the right path. McNeill and VJ have decided that the path to that destination lies in playing hardball with the Chargers. I disagree. I'd rather go down the path where you play one year for decent money and then cash in. Both have risks, one offers the certainty of nice money in 2010. If they think they can win this fight or that they can lose it and still come out okay, then more power to them.

Which side should I be on?

Obviously, whatever side gets these players on the field in 2010 and doesn't hurt the team going forward. Probably, the easiest side to be on is the players. If they get their contract extensions the team's 2010 depth chart is what we all want it to be. I'm hesitant to hitch my wagon to that side. The Chargers have a better idea about what might happen if they just cave in than I do, and to a certain extent I think they have earned some trust in their judgment. I firmly believe that the Chargers aren't doing this to be cheapskates or because A.J. has an ego to maintain, but instead are trying to be as prudent as possible about it. So, the only answer I can come with is, "I don't know." I'm going to be the scaredy cat watching a horror movie, closing my eyes and peeking through once in a while hoping that everything turns out okay.

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"disincentivizes"

Real word. I looked it up.

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by John Gennaro on Jun 11, 2010 11:12 AM PDT reply actions  

The spell checker doesn't like it though.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

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by Wonko on Jun 11, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna use that with my boss.

“I feel really disincentivized lately and I need a raise”.

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by SoCalBoltFan on Jun 11, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

i looked it up too, the definition i found is as follows

 “a headache inducing word, seen only slightly more frequently than a unicorn or Bigfoot, and spoken even less often”

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by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Jun 11, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I totally agree

The only season these players should be counting on is next season, and even next season’s pay may not materialize if they get IR’d. Make hay while the sun shines because it ain’t gonna shine forever.

I think AJ’s move reduces the Charger risks. What bargaining power do they have next year, if they do poorly in 2010? By stringing these guys out one more season, it puts pressure on them to have big statistical years for 2010.

AJ had 4 high profile FA’s, isn’t safe to assume that one or two will not perform at the “top 5 in the league” level 2010? By stringing them all out AJ only has to pay the performers, and not the guys that are past it.

by Trendsearcher on Jun 11, 2010 11:13 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

good point

with 4 high profile RFA’s, Smith is right to hedge his bets and wait before giving the long term deals. All 4 have warning signs (and if they didn’t all would’ve likely been locked up before now).

by Hoot1969 on Jun 11, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think AJ’s move reduces the Charger risks. What bargaining power do they have next year, if they do poorly in 2010?

On the other hand though, if they have a great year next year statistically and have too much bargaining power the Chargers take the risk of losing those players once they become FAs by another team stepping in and offering them more than the Chargers are willing/able to pay. I guess thats when the franchise tag would probably come in to play though.

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by SoCalBoltFan on Jun 11, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see that happening

with a renewed running game and Jackson’s likely suspension I don’t see either even matching last years outputs, much less exceeding them. I doubt the Chargers do, either, or the’d have offered extentions.

by Hoot1969 on Jun 11, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

on the other hand

last years receiving corps was amazingly healthy. Gates and Floyd have had their injury problems recently and neither had any last year. If VJ stays healthy this year and Gates and Floyd go back to their injury prone ways, VJ could then match or exceed his numbers from last year, even with a two game suspension.

And McNeill is nails. unless he has some medical condition that we don’t know about, he is going to get big money when he finally signs a long term deal.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Jun 11, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

McNeil is Nails, I agree

but a bad back doesn’t just go away. Any team would be wary to give a long term deal to a LT with a balky back. He is also more of a pass protector and less of a run grader. His strengths would be downplayed with a renewed running game.
I also don’t think you give a long term deal to someone based on what you think the health of the rest of the positional group may or may not be. Davis wasn’t healthy, maybe he will be. Floyd and Gates past injury issues have more to do with their contract prospects than Jacksons. I stand by my stance that Jackson (big if he plays) won’t repeat last years numbers.

by Hoot1969 on Jun 11, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

McNeill didn't have any injury problems last year

he had neck issues the kept him out of the first couple games in 2008, but since then hasn’t had any issues. Unless he has some sort of unreported chronic neck problem (which has been widely speculated on, but not confirmed anywhere) he will get paid BIG. Left tackles get paid to pass block, not run block, and he is a two (three?) time pro-bowler and young.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Jun 11, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can definitely see Merriman exceeding his production last year.

Jackson is kind of a different story. Rivers doesn’t really need to force it to Jackson (a la Orton to Marshal) because he has so many other weapons. Jacksons performance in any given game depends on what the opposing defense is doing. If they double Jackson all game his numbers are low, if they double Gates, Jackson has a field day. I could honestly see Jackson exceeding last years numbers though as well. Jackson’s a beast.

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by SoCalBoltFan on Jun 11, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm actually a little down on Merriman lately

The Deca-Durabolin thing didn’t help. I now do believe that his early success was juiced.

More than the juice, I think the knee injury has robbed Merriman of some speed.

And frankly if the guy’s pay is fixed regardless of if he signs the tender or holds out until after camp then I can only perceive his delay as laziness. We’ve seen it before with other Chargers – Leslie O’Neil used to hate training camp. Basically Merriman is taking the summer off. And he’s sluffing off at the exact time in his career where he could use all the preparation as possible. Bad year this year for Merriman means crap money next year.

by Trendsearcher on Jun 11, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

If they are good next year...

Then why shouldn’t the Chargers open up the wallet? And even in the free market I think the current team has to have the tie breaking edge over any other team in the league.

Each of these guys wants a Top of the Line free agent deal right now (money and length of contract). What difference does it make to AJ to pay today, when he can pay tomorrow.

by Trendsearcher on Jun 11, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh

I can’t wait until Tuesday. Once we know if Jackson and Mcneill sign there tenders or not by the deadline date, our expectations of these guys playing in 2010 will be a lot more accurate.

It could be a bluff on the players part and they could very well sign their tenders by Tuesday. I just want to know. All the specualtion is killing me.

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by SoCalBoltFan on Jun 11, 2010 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I just get reminded of the playoffs.

Where I waited two weeks for the game against the jets… I had so much anticipation for that game. Then… Well… I don’t want to relive that nightmare. My point is, I’m anticipating this Tuesday, and I get the feeling I’m gonna be let down again.

by Its Mikey!! on Jun 11, 2010 11:26 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

And I think the biggest letdown in that game

was the fact that it was our offense that couldn’t get going while our defense actually played at a pretty high level (for the first three quarters anyway).

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: If the Chargers could do one of two things in that game we would’ve probably won, 1) establish a decent running attack, or 2) make a field goal.

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by SoCalBoltFan on Jun 11, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

stop having faith in the players and start having faith in the team

It’s a process. Let it play out. The front office is paid to stress about this stuff. Let them do it. They know much more about the details than any of us do (except Wonko). If they were worth more to the team than 3 million for the year, you can bet they’d be negotiating now and not staring each other down.

by Hoot1969 on Jun 11, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kiss your season goodbye

W/O VJAX Rivers has only Gates to throw to and that will only work once or twice a game. Either way it doesn’t matter since Rivers will be getting sacked from his blindside or running for his life. I hope your new RB knows how to pickup the blitz becuase that is all he will be doing! Look at it this way San Diego-with your season in trouble from the start you don’t have to wait till the post-season to choke!!!!!!.

by NWBroncofan on Jun 11, 2010 12:37 PM PDT reply actions  

I’m not sweating the AFC west DE’s too much.

Now if Jared Allen was still in KC…

I’d be looking into a life insurance policy on Philip Rivers with me as the beneficiary.

by Trendsearcher on Jun 11, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

COME BACK AFTER THE SEASON

and lets compare how the chargers record stacks up against the shetland ponies! seriously, you lost your best (only) WR, and your tackle is going to miss all of preseason and probably wont be 100% until well into the season, you have no TE worthy of worrying about, and our 2nd string QB, is heads above all 3 of yours combined.
 On 2nd thought, please DONT come back after the season, save your whining for the rest of the donkey bandwagon when you bring up the rear in the AFC west!

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by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Jun 11, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

wishful thinking on your part

First, A J has already signed replacements. Granted, they may not be as good as the players they are replacing, but the spots are filled. Second, when teams make roster cuts before the season begins, there may be players available we can pick up. Third, these players may come to their senses and realize there is a chance that the chargers may withdraw their contract offer, especially if they hold out late into the season. So even if they sign with another team, they will earn only a partial salary this year. Fourth, the broncos suck. The only way the broncos get to the playoffs is to buy a ticket and watch from the stands. Fifth, we have far more receivers than V.J. You forget malcolm floyd. Rivers favorite target in the red zone. He signed. Add to that a top notch running back which means teams will have to chose their poison. Stack the box to stop the run, bombs away. Try and stop the passing game, Mathews runs your butt over. I like our chances to repeat as division champs once again.

by irishlad on Jun 11, 2010 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh noes!

So now we only have Gates, Floyd, Nanee, Tolbert, Matthews, Sproles to throw to? Whatever will we do!?

Well, at least the Broncos still have Brandon Marshall to save thei….. awwwwwwwww, too soon?

by TecateBoltsFan on Jun 11, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

how very ignorant of you

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by tonik on Jun 12, 2010 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a little confused

because these “letters” were sent to Jackson and McNeil but not Merriman. So does Merriman get a reduced number also if he doesn’t sign his tender also? What happens if he doesn’t sign it? On Monday when I check this blog, are the Chargers going to sign Jevon Kearse?

What is going on? Are we the only team going through this with their RFA?

Thanks Vince.

by L Magico on Jun 11, 2010 12:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Merriman's tender

is already at 110% of last year’s salary, so they can’t reduce it. These letters were sent to RFA’s who’s tender is more than 110% of last year’s salary (the minimum tender salary was the 7-figures their current offer is for) and if they don’t sign it by Tuesday, they will have their tender reduced to only 110% of last year’s salary…which is 6-figures for both of them.

by Christopher Hernandez on Jun 11, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

at least 3 other teams are going through the exact same thing

but the Chargers had the majority of the RFA “big names” on the market this year so it feels like it’s just us.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Jun 11, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Do you think the GM's

of each team have communicated to each other that they intend to truly reduce their offers (since the GM’s work for the owners, and the owners want to hold onto their money)…if this was the case, and none of the RFA’s in the league signed their tenders, and all of the GM’s went and reduced the offers I think it would get all of the RFA’s to accept new deals knowing that their team isn’t the only one ‘hardballing’ out there.

by Christopher Hernandez on Jun 11, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

You realized that is collusion right?

The players could sue and win if that goes public. That doesn’t mean it isn’t happening, but just checking to make sure you understand what it is you’re implying.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

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by Wonko on Jun 11, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

collusion is cooolol...

we should all do it..big business,the government,hell even the church does it…lets here it for collusion!!

by Gorditoe1 on Jun 12, 2010 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would be shocked

SHOCKED if it turned out there were collusion in the NFL.

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by Brian (DaBolts) on Jun 12, 2010 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously

Can’t they just give them contracts, or the players sign the tenders?? It’s makes it easier on us fans!!!

by lordGodalmighty1 on Jun 11, 2010 3:59 PM PDT reply actions  

You boys are playing with fire

The locker room sees how you’re treating your guys. The locker room sees other teams signing their RFA’s to extensions and treating them the right way. I have no way of knowing if the players will blink, but it seems pretty apparent now that the team won’t – they can’t. They can’t just sign one of these players now, not now that it’s sort of an all-for-one, one-for-all scenario.

The Division is watching and hoping the players don’t blink – that the players hold out for many moons. We’re watching and hoping that your players in the locker room are demoralized and angry about how your team treats its players. Personally, I even cheer for AJ Smith to remain in power just like I cheer for Al Davis to stay alive – so that they both may continue to fumble around and eff things up.

November, gentlemen. We go again to their house and we make it OUR MF house!! We take our Crown from those punks, not from around those punks! We take it in November and we protect it in January. Two wins. That's it. Take it!!!

by Alex on Jun 11, 2010 7:02 PM PDT reply actions  

you must be either a bronco or chief fan

Since you mention A J and Al Davis, that tells me your either a donk or chefs fan. Mickey d has done even worse than A. J. so if your a donk fan, keep drinking the koolaid. If your a chefs fan, we’ll have to wait and see what pioli does, the chefs weren’t very good last year. Maybe they will be better this year, who knows. Monday night first game of the year.

by irishlad on Jun 11, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Survey says...

Donkey fan.

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by Wonko on Jun 12, 2010 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

For a number of years

The Redskins management has really taken care of their players. I’m not sure there is a straightforward correlation between happy locker rooms and success on the field. But there is good evidence for talent in the locker room producing success on the field. In this respect, I wouldn’t characterize A.J. Smith’s tenure in San Diego as “fumbling around and effing things up”.

by HuangDi on Jun 13, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t trying to characterize his entire tenure that way, only his handling of the current situation.

As for the Redskins analogy, there’s many things that go into keeping a locker room happy, none of which is to pay prized talent chump change due to a technicality. It’s bad mojo.

November, gentlemen. We go again to their house and we make it OUR MF house!! We take our Crown from those punks, not from around those punks! We take it in November and we protect it in January. Two wins. That's it. Take it!!!

by Alex on Jun 14, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Erroneous

Josh McDaniels is loved by his players and respected by his players. Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, and Tony Scheffler are the three reasons people outside Denver get the idea that players consider Coach McDaniels arrogant. But they don’t. In fact, the team leaders (Champ Bailey, Brian Dawkins, etc..) went to McDaniels before the last game of the season to discuss Marshall and Scheffler’s attitude and behavior. They were each subsequently suspended. The players love McDaniels, pretty much every one of them rave about him. It’s a complete fallacy, the notion that McDaniels is disliked or perceived as arrogant in the locker room – he’s perceived like this in the press, but his players will go to war for him any day of the week and twice on Sunday’s.

Love it or hate it, you’ve got to admit that your locker room can’t be in high spirits over the idea that management isn’t going to pay your guys a fair price. Denver already extended Kuper to a $5M/yr deal, and he was a RFA. They’re working on extending Dumervil to a $60M+ deal that should be done by TC, and he’s a RFA.

Our coach is taking care of our players. Your GM isn’t. That can’t be good for morale and motivation.

November, gentlemen. We go again to their house and we make it OUR MF house!! We take our Crown from those punks, not from around those punks! We take it in November and we protect it in January. Two wins. That's it. Take it!!!

by Alex on Jun 11, 2010 9:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Whoops

That was meand for irishlad

November, gentlemen. We go again to their house and we make it OUR MF house!! We take our Crown from those punks, not from around those punks! We take it in November and we protect it in January. Two wins. That's it. Take it!!!

by Alex on Jun 11, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since the Broncos

Don’t really make a lot of good management decisions it makes it hard to judge a extension of Kuper and a potential extension for Dumervil as good things. For all we know they could be regretting those deals in the future.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

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by Wonko on Jun 12, 2010 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Our boys aren't noobs

they actually have a grasp of what is going on. They know the climate of the business right now and are dealing with it as they should, by practicing. You can shake it, distort it, speculate all you want. These guys are gonna bust their ass for their teammates and fans. That’s all that matters come game day.

by Madcat5 on Jun 12, 2010 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well

Lets face it, the Broncos don’t have enough talent that paying them all is really a problem.

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by Brian (DaBolts) on Jun 12, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It would have been a problem if we had kept Marshall, Scheffler, and Cutler

They would all be restricted free agents and hold outs right now. Instead, we got rid of the trouble makers and cashed in for what I’ll concede are essentially lotto tickets, albeit very valuable lotto tickets. My guess is that 90% of common football fans outside of Denver, when asked about Denver’s progress, or lack thereof, would point to the drama surrounding the aforementioned players… and nothing else. They see those players leaving and assume the Broncos are imploding… with no additional insight or information. Well, it’s wrong.

Did you know that the Broncos had the 3rd ranked pass defense last year? Beginning of the season, end of the season, games won, games lost; it was consistently very, very good. All of those players will be back. The Defense as a whole ranked 7th, but struggled against the run late in the season. To fix that, three rather high-priced, high profile free agents were brought in – none of last year’s defensive linemen will be starters this year, although some were retained as backups. Our run-stopping ILB (Andra Davis) was also replaced.

On offense, the Broncos line couldn’t get a push in short-yardage and goal-line situations. The interior linemen were more zone blockers rather than power blockers. To fix that, Hamilton and Weigmann were fired. Two centers (Walton was the 2nd best in the draft) and a tackle (Beadles, taken in the 2nd round) were taken to fill the LG and OC positions.

Brandon Marshall left, and two very high caliber receivers were brought in. Tony Scheffler left, but his replacement was drafted in the 2nd round last year. In fact, just to underline a largely missed point, all these “lotto tickets” we’re picking up, they’re not junk. Denver has drafted four 1st round picks and four 2nd round picks in the last two years. If even half of them work out, Denver’s offense will quickly catch its defense.

So basically, I’m saying the Broncos are misunderstood. They will be contenders.

November, gentlemen. We go again to their house and we make it OUR MF house!! We take our Crown from those punks, not from around those punks! We take it in November and we protect it in January. Two wins. That's it. Take it!!!

by Alex on Jun 12, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would have been a problem if we had kept Marshall, Scheffler, and Cutler

Exactly, it just seems odd to be critical of AJ because we don’t have a bunch of has beens/wannabes/rookies at the offensive skill positions. Maybe that all works out for the Broncos and they become contenders; the fact remains that paying Rivers, VJ and McNeill is a much bigger problem than paying Orton, Clady (on his rookie contract) and Thomas (on his rookie contract).

Perhaps I should have said proven talent, but either way your argument that AJ isn’t good at his job doesn’t bear its own weight; if he weren’t very good at his job there would be no issue in paying all the talent. San Diego isn’t Dallas or DC, for a mid/small market team AJ has done a fine job at putting a competitive squad on the field year in and year out while still allowing ownership to make a profit.

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by Brian (DaBolts) on Jun 13, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Well Brian,

…the fact remains that paying Rivers, VJ and McNeill is a much bigger problem than paying Orton, Clady (on his rookie contract) and Thomas (on his rookie contract).

The point is that without foresight, we would have been looking at paying the big contracts of Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler, Dumervil, and Kuper. Every one of them would have been expensive. Every one of them would have been a RFA right now. We could afford giving Doom his huge contract, and Kuper his $5M/yr, but we couldn’t pay Brandon, too. And I’m sure our coach knew Brandon would have held out (as we all know), so we got what we could for a player we couldn’t keep. That’s the difference. Foresight.

Vincent Jackson is facing a suspension. He’s holding out of TC. He may not have gotten you much value, but you could have done what we did – traded him. He’s not playing anyway.

P.S. Our team is full of high-character guys now, no more nonsesne. Kyle Orton is a restricted free agent, too. And he’s not getting a new deal. But he’s been at every OPTIONAL practice and is heading into TC with a smile, a good attitude, and truly seems happy. Doom has been out there every day also, without a new deal. Kuper was also practicing before he got his new deal.

Truth be told, my point isn’t really against AJ. It’s more a soap box to preach how misunderstood the Broncos are. “The Drama” is gone and these guys were exceptions to the rule, they didn’t fit and needed replaced. McDaniels is well liked, well respected, and is building one hell of a football team.

November, gentlemen. We go again to their house and we make it OUR MF house!! We take our Crown from those punks, not from around those punks! We take it in November and we protect it in January. Two wins. That's it. Take it!!!

by Alex on Jun 13, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

What, are you recommending your own posts or what? lol

Ridiculous Brian. You folks won the crown; you folks have the target on your back. The division is watching. It’s of no matter that I consider the Broncos very good this year, I still get a tingly feeling knowing that your locker room is likely demoralized. I still hope that your team hurts itself in every way possible (like by not having your LT and WR1).

November, gentlemen. We go again to their house and we make it OUR MF house!! We take our Crown from those punks, not from around those punks! We take it in November and we protect it in January. Two wins. That's it. Take it!!!

by Alex on Jun 13, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brian doesn't have the ability to rec his own comments any more than you do.

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by Richard Wade on Jun 13, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was a joke

November, gentlemen. We go again to their house and we make it OUR MF house!! We take our Crown from those punks, not from around those punks! We take it in November and we protect it in January. Two wins. That's it. Take it!!!

by Alex on Jun 14, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

do steroids

be a Dominican defensive end; easy money.

by BORTZ on Jun 11, 2010 11:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Very nice post

As always, Wonko, very well written post

Insert advanced emoticon here >:-)

by theGEN3RAL on Jun 13, 2010 7:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks Wonko for the post.

Seems like the costs/risks to both team and players are higher than some sort of reasonable compromise. The team probably has more leverage (the players could potentially lose salary for 1-2 years in the prime of their careers), but the short term cost to the Chargers is high too, even if their reasons for not offering long term deals are rational.

Speaking to your last point, I’m on the side of a compromise. I would think that offering one year deals at higher than the tender amount, but lower than the franchise tag equivalent salaries (respectively) could be a way forward. Obviously, the team is under no obligation to do this (it might not even be within the League rules, not sure), but for a franchise that has Super Bowl plans and no desire to give long term contracts in 2010, it just might be the best alternative to the stalemate/mutual bluff-calling scenario.

by HuangDi on Jun 14, 2010 3:54 AM PDT reply actions  

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