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San Diego Chargers Mini Camp Day 1: What It Means to You

....and we're back!  Today starts Chargers Mini Camp (not exclusively for rookies), which is just a short rest stop along this long journey through the long NFL offseason. It'll last three days, and in about three weeks will be another couple of rounds of OTAs (8 days of those total). You'll probably hear very little news during these team workouts, but here's what you should be keeping your ear to the ground for:

Strong Safety - Kevin Ellison has been asked by the team not to come and participate in the team's Mini Camp this week after being arrested for possession of far-too-many Vicodin just a few days ago. This doesn't necessarily mean that Ellison will be cut necessarily, but it's probably not a good sign. At the very least, it gives guys like rookie Darrell Stuckey and 2nd year special teams standout C.J. Spillman a good chance to take over the starting spot.

Nose Tackle/Defensive Line - Call me crazy, but the more I think about the Chargers defensive line in 2010 the more excited I get. Cam Thomas, although he dropped in the draft for a reason, does have starting potential and is working with one of the best defensive line coaches in the league in Don Johnson. Vaughn Martin was drafted as a "project", and we don't know exactly how ready he is. However, the idea of a young and talented core of Martin, Thomas and Luis Castillo excites me. Then you get to choose who and how much depth you have at each position from the group of Ogemdi Nwagbuo, Ian Scott, Ryon Bingham, Jacques Cesaire and Travis Johnson. I think the team only keeps 3 of those 5, but they might be careful and keep 4 if some guys come limping out of training camp again.

Running Back - Everyone is going to have their eyes glued on Ryan Mathews, but I'm more interested on the other end of the depth chart. I think there's room on this team, and maybe it's a spot that's inactive each week like Michael Bennett was last year, for a halfback behind Darren Sproles. I think that spot will be taken by someone who is a better "starting" replacement for Mathews than Sproles would be. Marcus Mason, Curtis Brinkley and Shawnbrey McNeal would seemingly be fighting for this spot (with Mason having the inside track). Whoever wins the spot could slide up to #2 on the depth chart if Sproles leaves in 2011, so it's worth watching.

Buster Davis - Is Buster ever not worth watching? If you haven't checked out Christopher Smith's article on Buster's potential for a break out year on Chargers.com, go do so now. Buster has the gifts: speed, hands, strength and toughness. The only thing he's struggled with is health and ,with what amounted to almost a full season off to rest his body, that should be less of an issue now than it was in the past. With the two starters in front of him playing on one-year deals, and Malcom Floyd possibly too old to get the long-term deal he's going to want, the team will be eager to see if Buster is able to finally fulfill that potential of his. I say yes.

Larry English - People are kind to rookies. The media and other players give rookies the benefit of the doubt. "He's learning and he's ALMOST THERE." Now we'll find out what English really is, and what his teammates and the guys covering him really think. Real quickly, right around the start of training camp, you'll hear one of two things: either that he's worked himself into even better shape and looks to be ready to make the leap, or he's "just trying to figure out how to get better." The first is preferable, but the second doesn't necessarily mean failure is imminent. As with the scenarios above, this is a make-or-break season for English playing behind Shawne Merriman

Antoine Cason - I was going to shy away from predictions but I already laid it on the line for Buster, so here's my prediction for Cason: leading up to the season this guy is going to be the beast that everyone raves about. He's going to show up and be the guy that writers can't stop writing about ("He's in the best shape of his life!"), and then each day we'll hear about all of the interceptions in practice. Just watch. I think there's a fire lit under Cason right now, and I'm looking forward to seeing what they results in.

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I Hope Stuckey

Can catch on quickly

Life is like riding a bicycle, to keep your balance, you must keep moving.-Einstein

by cameronm on May 26, 2010 1:57 PM PDT reply actions  

I want

Travis Johnson to be part of the D-line…he seemed to get better and better as the season went on

by NorthCountyBolt on May 26, 2010 2:00 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

He got better and better as he got healthy. Travis is kindof like Buster (and Castillo, really). Former 1st round pick, loads of potential but has never really been able to stay healthy for an entire season. Last year may have been his healthiest year.

"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22

by John Gennaro on May 26, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

good post

I’m glad someone else is giving Cason a chance. When Cro was here he was considered a one hit wonder and now when he leaves the sky is falling and the bolts gave up the next best thing! Whatever I bet Cason is way more solid than Cason with the same 3 picks cro had since 08

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken"- Colonel Sanders

by traceSD on May 26, 2010 2:11 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

On December 6, 2007 Cason was awarded the Jim Thorpe Award for best defensive back in the country and was a consensus First-team All-America choice.

I think the problem is that Cason has never had a chance to play his natural position, outside CB, until now. If he played every bit as good as Cromartie in 2009, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised. I’m actually expecting it. The kid wasn’t drafted in the 1st round for nothing.

"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22

by John Gennaro on May 26, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

boltz

They are a solid team with solid coaching. The AFC has the Chargers, Colts and Jets. One of those teams will be at Super Bowl. The Steeler’s are trashed, the Broncos and KC aren’t there yet, the Rudders should put Al Davis on the disabled list, Miami not, Cincy an also ran, and that’s it.

by Terry Ryetorman on May 26, 2010 3:12 PM PDT reply actions  

you heard it here first

Ravens, Patriots, Texans and Titans have no chance.

"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22

by John Gennaro on May 26, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think the onus is on the Texans and the Titans to prove they're good enough.

Ravens and Patriots I can’t argue with.

"If guys wanna complain about playing here they better check themselves and leave" - Nick Hundley.

by Natrone Bomb on May 26, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Texans and Titans

Both probably will suffer from the same problem. Depth. They are both good on paper, but when the games come and the subs start having to fill in it will get tough for both.

The Ravens and Patriots are better than Jets in my book and I wouldn’t count out Miami going 5-1 in their division and riding that to a bye and a shot at the big game.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

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by Wonko on May 26, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Texans

I think the Texans are going to finally get enough wins to get a post season berth this year. The Titans IMO are trash, and should even be mentioned in the top teams of the AFC; their defense is like a sieve. I also think both the Jets and Miami could be better than the Pats and Ravens. Cinci should continue to be solid as well. What team(s) come out of the AFCE is anyones guess.

IMO

by Foilhat on May 26, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Ravens had a good season

last year despite Flacco being beaten up near the end of the season. I think they have improved in the off season and will be in the mix for the AFC Championship.

by JeromeB on May 26, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the Ravens will be the class of the AFCN this year

But they’re not on par with the Colts or Chargers. The Colts’ window hangs on Manning, and the Chargers’ window on Rivers. Manning is older, and the Colts’ competition is closer.

The AFCE looks pretty interesting, except for Buffalo. New England may be in decline, but is obviously still dangerous. Miami looks like it’s about to have a renaissance of sorts. The Jets look scary, but how much is smoke and how much is fire?

Two teams that don’t get much talk are the Bengals and the Raiders. The Raiders will be a whole lot better this year: the Bolts better eat their Wheaties if they want to keep the streak alive. The Bengals have this reputation for choking when it counts, sure, but that doesn’t make them a non-hazard. I think they could take the AFCN if the Ravens slip up.

What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on May 26, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the Ravens will be right there

with the Colts and Chargers. With a dinged up Flacco they played the Colts pretty tough in the play offs last season. Their D will be superior to that of the Chargers or Colts and I look for the offense to improve this season with another year under Flacco’s belt and the additions that they have made to their receiving corp. Rice looks to be one of the better young backs in the league as well.
Time will tell, I am ready for the season to start.

by JeromeB on May 27, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cason will be that guy everyone talks about

and then falls flat on his face once the real games start.

"It is a truth universally acknowledged that a zombie in possession of brains must be in want of more brains."
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by Zach (maestro876) on May 26, 2010 5:01 PM PDT reply actions  

What makes you think that?

What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on May 26, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

No reason at all

just being pessimistic.

"It is a truth universally acknowledged that a zombie in possession of brains must be in want of more brains."
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by Zach (maestro876) on May 27, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your pessimism continues to make to look dumb, as long as San Diego teams do well.

"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22

by John Gennaro on May 27, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your pessimism continues to make to look dumb, as long as San Diego teams do well.

"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22

by John Gennaro on May 27, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome

A double post with a typo where you say Zach looks dumb.

Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate

by Richard Wade on May 27, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

And so it starts again...

“Oft-injured WR Craig Davis was shaken up toward the end of the morning practice when he went up for a pass and collided with S Eric Weddle. Davis sat out the remainder of the practice. …”

From: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5223525&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

by ArksnBolts on May 26, 2010 5:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Marty1090 was all over that as it happened (around 1)

Acee noted that it was pretty ugly for the WRs today with no VJ, Floyd, Davis or Naanee.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

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by Wonko on May 26, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully one of these scrub WRs

Can rise to the top. It’s the obvious the Chargers are trying to increase their odds with the sheer numbers of them

IMO

by Foilhat on May 26, 2010 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aren't they in shorts and helmets???

What is weddle doing? Half-pad all pro

by Stephen (shaynes41) on May 26, 2010 8:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Weddle

Only knows one speed, haha I love it. Every time Buster gets blasted it doesnt need to be news though, I thought he played football. Not the first collision Weddle has been involved in practice wise. The best part of the story was how Hardwick went storming down the field to stand up for his guy. Great stuff

IMO

by Foilhat on May 26, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

plenty of time to recover. he’ll be fine.

"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22

by John Gennaro on May 27, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

well yes, recovery isn’t the concern. Considering Davis’ previous injury problems it doesn’t exactly inspire confidence that first day of mini he is getting rattled already. I know Weddle hits hard and all, so I’m sure it’s nothing to worry about, I’m just gun shy about it now.

by ArksnBolts on May 27, 2010 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you on Cason

I have faith that he will be fine this season.
But I am still a non believer in the Buster Davis camp. I know he caught 6 passes at 8 yards a pop against Washington in a meaningless game, but it just didn’t win me over.

It feels good to read some mini camp news.

by JeromeB on May 26, 2010 6:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Yep

It’s almost like the season couldnt start without Buster getting injured.

IMO

by Foilhat on May 26, 2010 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again

Buster has never underperformed. He’s never had bad hands or run bad routes or had attitude problems. It’s been 100% health. For his career he’s averaged 10 yards per catch, which is respectable when you’re comparing him to guys who aren’t Vincent Jackson. He’s actually better than Naanee though, who has a Y/R of 9.4 for his career.

Buster’s only problem is health. Is his potential the same as VJ? No. But if he can stay healthy and get on the field, he’s going to perform.

"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22

by John Gennaro on May 27, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand your point of view

and agree that injuries have been a major problem for Davis (100% health is a bit of a stretch however). Even when he has been healthy the coaches have decided that he is just not good enough to participate in games that actually matter. Granted some of that may be due to lack of reps in training camp and practice due to injury.
I don’t think Davis is some no talent bum, I just think that (even when healthy) he hasn’t proven to me or the coaches that he is worthy of getting on the field yet.

by JeromeB on May 27, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

What, and activate 5 WRs? Why?

Can’t bench Gates, Jackson or Floyd. Naanee, Osgood and Manumaleuna needed to be active, because each had unique skills. Manumaleuna was a short-timer, meaning they had to activate Wilson to give him the reps he needed. How many receivers can you keep on your 45?

What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on May 27, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly my point

even when he was healthy he just wasn’t talented enough to be on the active roster.

by JeromeB on May 28, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Starters

Aat the beginning of training camp should be
DL : Castillo, Martin, Johnson
LB : Philipps, Cooper, Burnett, Lights Out
CB : Cason, Jammer, Strickland (slot)
S : Stuckey, Weddle

QB : Rivers
RB : Mathews-Sproles
TE : Gates, Wilson
WR : Jax, Floyd, Nanee (slot)
OL : Dielman, McNeill, Hardwick, Clary, Vasquez

Correct me if I´m wrong but this is what could most certainly look like the starting line-up in 2010 ;)

by Hell Rider on May 27, 2010 2:23 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't anticipate Martin being the starting NT

And I figure it’s more than likely Gregory or Oliver who starts at safety if Ellison isn’t
on the team or is suspended. It’s seems like a bit of a stretch for Stuckey to
start opening day. I think Butler and Siler have a better shot at starting opening
day than Stuckey or Martin.

by riversformvp on May 27, 2010 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ellison

did start last year as a rookie, thats why it wouldn´t surprise me if Stuckey gets the spot at least for training camp, then well it´s up to real competition

by Hell Rider on May 27, 2010 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Hart was the starter out of camp

Then they promoted Ellison when the booted Hart out of town around week 6

by riversformvp on May 27, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is correct.

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day.

by SoCalBoltFan on May 27, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ellison was the starter in name

But, he rotated with Oliver and its possible Oliver actually saw more snaps.

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by Wonko on May 28, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gregory has been taken some reps at CB during the recent camp

not sure how much that is worth. But the nickel spot gregory played last year is a little closer to a CB than it is to a safety.

I would be less surprised if Siler was the everydown ILB than if Burnett was. But, more than likely, Siler will “start” and play on running downs and Burnett will play on passing downs. I like the idea of Stuckey starting and think it could happen.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on May 27, 2010 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed on Siler for running downs

But it’s really going to be a mix and match this year
with Cooper Siler Butler and Burnett taking turns.

Hell, the whole defense is going to be a rotation aside from
Jammer and Weddle

by riversformvp on May 27, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Martin

is seen as a DE; at least according to Acee. I think Thomas and Ogemdi will split time at nose.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on May 27, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

That would be more likely for me as well.

Martin still needs another season or two to really get his wheels going.Hopefully he turns out to be a beast at DE.

by Gorditoe1 on May 27, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

With Martin's size I hope he turns out to be a beast at NT

he’s about 30 lbs. heavier than your typical DE. Like you said though he’s still really raw, but we knew he was a project pick from the beginning. Hopefully with the experience he got last year he can make some solid contributions this season.

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day.

by SoCalBoltFan on May 27, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I believe they want him at DE because at NT his speed would be a lot less valuable.

"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22

by John Gennaro on May 27, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well

In a 3-4 the DEs tend to be heavier, Boone is at 318, Olshansky is at 315, Aaron Smith plays at 300. Martin weighs in at 320 now, but he also has the quick of a much smaller guy, as John says, that would be less important at NT.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on May 27, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Acee also said

That Ian Scott is taking reps with the first team at NT

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by Wonko on May 28, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed, except

Oliver can’t play SS.

"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22

by John Gennaro on May 27, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

He can't play shortstop?

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by Zach (maestro876) on May 27, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think Oliver can play strong safety

Its just not his ideal position. and i bet Garay is the opening day starter at nose..

Life is like riding a bicycle, to keep your balance, you must keep moving.-Einstein

by cameronm on May 27, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not Vasher in the slot?

What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on May 27, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

hope your right

good article, like the optimism. But, call me a worry wart, but I don’t like the idea of vj, floyd, and mc neal holding out. Merriman, who cares. He’s probably NOT going to get a long term deal here, so he should play with a vengance in order to get his fat paycheck somewhere else. I could be wrong and AJ might give him a long term deal if he has a probowl year, but forgive me if I don’t hold my breath. I think lights out is history as a charger.

by irishlad on May 27, 2010 6:42 AM PDT reply actions  

No one is going to hold out.

It is in their best interests to (eventually) sign their tenders and get to work.

"It is a truth universally acknowledged that a zombie in possession of brains must be in want of more brains."
Bolts From The Blue - Heavy with the facts, slightly less heavy with the opinions.

by Zach (maestro876) on May 27, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well

It’s in their best interest to sign and play the minimum number of games to qualify for free agency next year (6 games I think is the cutoff, so they could wait until there are only 6 games remaining and end their hold out).

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

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by Wonko on May 28, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Add Garay and Boone to the DL mix

In fact, I would give the two of them more of inside track than Bingham and Scott.

by Andy (allfield) on May 27, 2010 8:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Bingham is the one on the outside IMO

He really has to prove his worth in the preseason since
most of the other guys proved theirs’ during the season

by riversformvp on May 27, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Crap

Can’t believe I forgot Boone. He was great last year.

"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22

by John Gennaro on May 27, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry John,on Buster I say NO...

I hope I’m proven wrong but he just seems way TOO fragile, and that’s not a great look for a WR in the NFL.

by Gorditoe1 on May 27, 2010 10:25 AM PDT reply actions  

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