Camp Battles: Part 1 Safeties
I purposefully entitled the article as such to commit myself to one article per positional group. At least the position groups I feel have enough semblance of competition and or lack of a clear depth chart to make for an interesting read. We will start at the back end of the defense with the safeties.
The Chargers have not been able to solidify the safety spot adequately in recent offseasons, and so another player was taken at the position in this years NFL draft. Darrell Stuckey out of Kanas University was selected by the Chargers in the 4th round to increase competition at the safety position, more specially the strong safety position. (Even though the Chargers strangely have Stuckey listed as a free safety) Stuckey played mostly as a free safety his senior year because that's what his coaches asked of him and that's what his team needed, but the Chargers like him as a strong safety based on his skill set and measurables. Stuckey and incumbent Kevin Ellison will go head to head for the starting strong safety job this offseason, the loser will have to face Gregory and Paul Oliver/Spillman for a spot on the active roster. So this battle will be much more than just who offers the most value as a in the box type defender in base, almost as importantly will be how this new addition effects the kicking game overall.
Last year the inconsistent play at the backbend of the defense came about as a result of many factors. Firstly Clinton Hart was shown the door after it became apparent, that he was no longer a starter and not capable of becoming a dominant force in the kicking game. As a result rookie Kevin Ellison was brought along perhaps faster than the Chargers had originally anticipated. This lead to a situation where the club wanted Gregory to at least start the season at strong safety, rather than inserting Ellison day one. Gregory did see the majority of the base snaps as the second safety early in the season for the Chargers. Gregory is a very good football player, he is versatile, smart, and a good special teamer; and although he is fairly solid playing near the line of scrimmage and is a good tackler he lacks the ideal size to be a 8th box defender.
After the Ravens game Rivera must have become frustrated with Cason in nickel, and possibly concerned with the lack of bulk in base following the loss of Jwill. Inserting Gregory into nickel and Ellison into the base rotation was the right call, and props to the coaching staff for not waiting too long to pull the trigger. Reducing Gregory's snaps and taking away almost all of Cason's, while providing some playing time to Ellison eventually increased the team's special teams play (post Denver embarrassment) and revitalized the nickel defense. The playing time Ellison received early most certainly helped him when he played substantial minutes versus running teams later in the season like the Giants, Cowboys, Browns, and Bengals. What I did not see from Ellison was any standout special teams contribution, because I am speaking from memory I could be dead wrong. If anyone knows of a good site for special team stats please provide it in the comments section.
At free safety, Weddle of course is penciled in as the starter their. He has one year left on his rookie deal, I would figure him to be the priority one candidate for an extension defensively speaking at least. Whether he is more suited to play closer to the line of scrimmage is debatable; this seemed to also be a question the Chargers were wondering about. Weddle was moved around quite a bit in 2009, probably because the Chargers have in recent history used their safeties more interchangeably than most clubs. Gregory playing nickel back, a role usually reserved for a backup corner making him unavailable to play center field on passing downs; and the Chargers wanting to experiment somewhat could have also played a role in Weddle seemingly lacking a true spot early on in the 2009 season.
Steve Gregory shouldnt require too much more discussion because his roster spot would appear secure based on many factors some of which I mentioned above. Gregory's versatile in that he is capable of playing both safety positions, and in 2009 he showed himself to be a decent defender close to the line of scrimmage as a nickel back blitzing, in run support, and slot coverage. He has even served as the teams emergency corner on gameday, all while getting it done in the kicking game. He is signed through 2011 very cheaply and as a result is almost assured a roster spot.
Paul Oliver is the real enigma, and his competition will come from former UdFA C.J. Spillman. Oliver had a very good year in kick coverage, he was ranked 3rd in special teams tackles. That alone can assure a backup a roster spot on the 53, but Oliver has only one year left on his deal. Oliver was used mainly in dime as a safety, but Spillman and Cason also play a little as the 6th DB; so it's difficult to go about trying to access his 2009 season defensively.
Spillman's playing time in defense was very obviously poor, but despite that he did show skills in the kicking game. Without a full season it would be unfair to judge his stats concerning kick coverage, but indications from watching the game lead me to believe he would be a well above average contributor on kicks. As a undrafted player in his sophomore season, the Chargers almost certainly control his rights another three season very cheaply. I would guess that the battle between Oliver and Spillman is closer than most of us imagine. Even though Spillman looked lost in the games he played for Weddle (Dallas and Cleveland), and in the Redskins finally he only has to make small improvements to jump into serious consideration for the 5th safety spot. Because Gregory will at least provide depth at nickel back I would assume the Chargers will carry 5 safeties as opposed to 5 corners, but that's a issue for special teams to decide I suppose.
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in the second half of the year
Last year we had Ellison and Weddle in on our base, and when we went to nickel, we had Gregory (nickel), Weddle, and Oliver? I can’t remember who we swapped out Ellison for, who I’m sure didn’t get a lot of time in on passing downs.
Any thoughts on the future of Spillman as a DB?
by Stephen (shaynes41) on May 2, 2010 1:07 PM PDT reply actions
2nd half nickel
Around the mid point of the season, after the Raider game I think Cason was almost dropped entirely from both nickel and dime packages (although he was reinserted towards the end of the season). In nickel I believe you are correct in that Gregory served as a slot defender with both Weddle and Oliver acting as safties. Prior to that the team was still trying different combinations of defenders.
The problem arose very soon there after when Eric Weddle sprained his knee at Kanas City I think. Even though Weddle came back for the for the Cinci game, he reinjured his knee during the Xmas game and was pretty much put on ice from that point forward. Both Oliver and Spillman received playing time when Weddle was injured, first the team looked for Spillman to step up and actually let him play almost every play of the Cleveland game. I do not think they were happy with his play because the next game Oliver played Weddles snaps in Dallas. Both played nearly the entire game in the finally Redskins game.
From what I have seen both Spillman and Oliver looked lost at times. I havent seen enough to fully right off Spillaman as a backup safety, but is was apparent last year that he is a beast in kick coverage. I do not just mean he’s is a above average special teamer, I think Spillman could actually earn his mail as a special teamer.
The problem facing Oliver and Spillman is both could very well be cut, if the Chargers decide to carry a 5th CB instead of a 5th safety. So its not as if Spillman and Oliver are truley going head to head for the final safety spot, they are going to have to battle the Hughes brothers as well for the final DB spot.
IMO
I should also point out
That I wasnt able to find any evidence of Ellison being active in the kicking game. If this is true, or if he offers very little in the way of special teams value; it would behoove him to win the starting job outright. Backup players (especially those with LB, RB, WR, DB type size) that do not play special teams can have their careers cut very short even if they bring upside.
IMO
yep
i agree. i see both hughes boys getting cut and possibly Spillman because i think Oliver is a more solid and versatile player
Life is like riding a bicycle, to keep your balance, you must keep moving.-Einstein
Oliver's had extra time in the system
Which does give him a leg up in the competition. But at the same time, that probably means Oliver needs to show something sooner rather than later to warrant long-term consideration.
You can cut them all...
in my opinion. None of them have proven worthy of a starting spot. The exception is Weddle and even then I only rate him as better than average. The rest though are average at best. If you want to keep having a mediocre team then keep mediocre players. If you want to go AND win a superbowl find somebody who has the talent and mental capacity to do so. Yeah, it may seem harsh, and I understand that you gotta give guys time to develop but even during the maturation process the player has to show something. I just haven’t seen it and I doubt that I will. In fact I think that quite possibly all of these guys will be out of San Diego and possibly football in the next 3 years. It’s times like these when I miss having Terrence Keil around. Heck find a #1 corner since finding a #1 safety seems to be so hard, and then put Jammer back there.
Too extreme
I agree with the sentiment (“If you want to keep having a mediocre team then keep mediocre players. If you want to go AND win a superbowl find somebody who has the talent and mental capacity to do so.”), however I do not agree with the suggested implementation.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
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by Wonko on May 3, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
also
you cant have great players at every posistion, its just too costly and its not going to happen.
its worth it to have average players and have depth, the little guys help make a team great.
Life is like riding a bicycle, to keep your balance, you must keep moving.-Einstein
Fair enough
but the position doesn’t seem to be much of a priority. If you look at the drafting numbers, Hart was an UDFA, Spillman is an UDFA, Gregory is an UDFA, Ellison was 6th rounder, Oliver was essentially a fourth rounder, Stuckey is also a fourth. The one really talented safety we have is Weddle taken near the top of the second round if I recall correctly. Now supposedly this was a deep draft, so maybe Stuckey will turn into the guy, but the Chargers have essentially been trying to get by at this position.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on May 3, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not too mention, if all the back-ups are are good as starters
Then they will expect as much playing time as the real starters and that would be bad for locker-room chemistry.
It only takes one great player.
A kicker who can consistently FGs from kickoff.
It won’t be long, mark my words.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on May 3, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Extreme? Yeah probably but
you understand my intentions I think. When I go back and think about those teams that either knocked us out of the playoffs or won the superbowl they are all passing dominant teams (exception the Jets). If you want to compete and win against those “arch-rivals” or the teams you know are going to be there at the end then you have to build your team to do so and ever since I remember the Chargers have never been good (maybe average, but never good) against the pass…… it could be our personnel.
If we can get the pass rush to at least resemble 2006
our pass defense as a whole will be a lot better than average.
by SoCalBoltFan on May 4, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
This ^^^^^^
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on May 4, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah maybe
But even then it was "man I hope we get to the quarterback because if he doesn’t we can’t stop them.
Really. 1.5 sacks and 100 rushing yards per game, with last year's air game
and this team will be an unstoppable juggernaut.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on May 4, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Even 80 yards rushing might do.
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Only Nimrod-proof!
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on May 4, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
And a much snazzier dresser!
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on May 4, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions

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