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Stadium Thoughts and Musings, Part 4. The Ultimate Fan Experience

Hello everyone.  It's been awhile since my last post; frankly, I've been struggling to find a fresh angle from which to approach a topic when there is little-to-no new news.

For this current edition, I am going to share my fan experience when I journeyed to Lambeau Field in September 2007, to see the Chargers play the Packers.  Many of you may remember this game well, a shootout between grizzled veteran Brett Favre, and young gun Philip Rivers that went down to the 4th quarter.

Chargers at Packers boxscore

I think this angle is relevant, because the path to a successful new stadium lies in creating a) a great game day experience, b) a destination that people will visit when football isn't being played, c) a point of civic pride for all persons in a region, whether die-hards, casual, or non fans, and lastly d) a decent sense of history - as in a place that acknowledges the shared experiences between fans and team.

I can think of no better example than Lambeau Field.  More below the jump.

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A little background:  My wife's family is a bunch of die-hard Packers fans, most of whom are from Wisconsin.  In the 5 years my wife and I have been together, she started with me as a Packers fan... however, by 2007, she was a Wisconsin native who wore an Antonio Gates jersey to Lambeau Field.  This victory over the in-laws more than made up for the Chargers coming up short that Sunday. Wisconsin_047_medium

My aunt-in-law, my Wisconsin-born wife turned traitor, and my mother-in-law.

 

Anyhow, on to the Game Experience

We were part of a tour group that began the Sunday with an all-you-can-eat-and-drink at Brett Favre's Steakhouse, located a few blocks away from Lambeau Field.  There was good Chargers representation at the party, which featured unlimited burgers, bratwurst, beer, bloody marys, and screwdrivers...

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Pregame at Brett Favre's Steakhouse.

Packers' fans are generally a pretty cool bunch; for every jerk, there were 5 others who would step in and tell you how good your team is.  After 3 hours of great revelry, we made our way inside the stadium.

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View of Lambeau Field from our seats.

This building absolutely drips with history - more would be made on this day, when Favre tied Dan Marino's career passing TD record.  No one complained when my wife and I flashed our small handmade sign...

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A Priceless Experience - me and my wife.

Because Packers' fans, above all else, respect loyalty and knowledge from fans of opposing teams.  They have no issues (except maybe with Vikings fans), as long as you're not egregiously obnoxious. 

Furthermore, and this goes into the importance of the fans experience, these fans are right on top of the field, the sightlines are phenomenal, and the history of the stadium takes precedence over the luxury boxes and VIP suites.  I realize this point is moot with most new stadiums around the league - but  the importance of die-hard fans being this close to the action cannot be underemphasized.

There is an intimacy between these fans and their team, both through the history and closeness of the seats.  This, maybe more than the weather, is why Lambeau Field is one of the only true home-field advantages remaining in the NFL.  This intimacy is something the Chargers must exploit when / if they build a stadium downtown, and the smaller size of the available land gives them a great excuse to do it.

The Non-Game Day Experience

Part of the appeal of Lambeau Field, and something the Chargers must consider when building a new stadium, is how to get people to visit when games are not being played.  Admittedly, the Packers have the advantage of a national fan base and decades of history.  However, with some work, this is something the Chargers' organization can easily rectify.

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Lambeau Field atrium

The Lambeau Field atrium was part of a $400 million expansion and renovation that the Packers began in 2000 and completed in 2003.  The team holds an annual draft party in this atrium, where over 4,000 fans watch the draft.  Additionally, there is a restaurant that is open to the public year round, the de rigueur Packers Pro Shop, as well as stadium tours, and the Packers Hall-of-Fame.  These are additional points of interest that help the facility generate business year-round.

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Lambeau panorama, tour on the day after the game

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Beer, beer, and more beer, close to the locker rooms

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Paul Hornung's Heisman Trophy

Who is to say that a Chargers' stadium tour wouldn't be as cool or interesting, especially if the new facility features a retractable roof which allows the stadium to host NCAA basketball tournaments, or boxing matches?  Who's to say that a tour of the Chargers' stadium couldn't feature awards like Hornung's Heisman, like maybe Tomlinson's 2006 MVP award?

The Packers Hall of Fame

It's true that the Packers have more of Hall-of-Famers, and more championships than the Chargers.  It's also true that the Packers have embraced their history much better than the Chargers have (although Dean Spanos has done better with this over the last few years - see the new uniforms of 2007). Still...

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Who knew?  My wife was the reason Bart Starr's QB sneak was successful (see far left).

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Replica lockers for all-time greats.

The Chargers, while not having the championship pedigree of the Packers, have had as much of an impact on the modern NFL as any other franchise has since 1960.  A new stadium could have a true Chargers Hall-of-Fame, as opposed to the smaller exhibits at the Breitbard Museum in Balboa Park. 

The Chargers could have an exhibit tracing the modern passing game, from Sid Gillman, through Don Coryell, to the current day.  Before you laugh, consider that the Chargers are running essentially the same offense now that they ran when Coryell was Head Coach - with good players, they are again among the best offenses in the NFL.

The Chargers could have replica lockers for each player in their Hall-of-Fame, much like the Packers have here.  Special exhibits could be devoted to Pro Football Hall-of-Famers like Gillman, Dan Fouts, Lance Alworth, Charlie Joiner, Kellen Winslow, etc.  Imagine the swell of pride you might feel as a Chargers fan, walking into a museum like this, devoted to your team?

A Hall-of-Fame like this reinforces the intimacy between the fans and the players, it gives the fans a sense of ownership that might not otherwise exist.  Also, it's a great way to bring history with you, when your long time home (Qualcomm Stadium, in our case) no longer exists.

Wrapping it Up

We all know that a new stadium in San Diego is a dicey proposition at best.  If we are able to build a new stadium, however, the Chargers can make it a win for everyone by looking at the examples Lambeau Field provides, and doing many of the same things. A stadium that has many, if not all of these features, becomes a one-of-a-kind experience that people want to share over and over again, as opposed to an impersonal facility that is designed to serve only those with the money for the moment. 

By looking back, the Chargers can help insure that they, their fans, and the community can move foward together, for a long time to come.

Next Issue...

I will be posting about a Q&A being held by the San Diego Stadium Coalition, with Mark Fabiani answering audience questions.  As I will be in attendance, and will (hopefully) have a chance to ask questions, please post questions you have for Mr. Fabiani (in addition to your thoughts on the article) in the comments below.  I will make sure to write down some of the common questions at the Q&A, and hopefully, he will be able to answer them.

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Great post

I enjoyed reading it all. I hope the Spanos family reads BFTB. I also hope when Green Bay comes to the Q they lose. Its been what, 5 straight losses to the pack? ugh.

by Superduperboltman on May 13, 2010 6:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Questions for Fabiani

How do they expect to address parking for a downtown stadium / do they anticipate it being an issue?

by Stephen (shaynes41) on May 13, 2010 7:55 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm pretty sure I read something about the parking analysis for downtown

And as it stands the parking for that area is ample to support a game. Obviously, the parking wouldn’t be concentrated and tailgating would be nearly nonexistent. There would, however, be issues on weekday games and also if there were ever a situation where the Chargers or Aztecs played on the same day as the Padres.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

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by Wonko on May 13, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

sigh

I don’t think the Aztec games will present an issue…

by Stephen (shaynes41) on May 14, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great post!

I flew out to that game as well. The Packer fans, truly, are the greatest fans around. They are extremely respectful and courteous and are as die hard as die hard can be.

by Schwing on May 13, 2010 9:05 AM PDT reply actions  

It nice to see the photos from another stadium like this

Traveling like you did gives us a great chance to take in part of the experience vicariously. Thanks. Why doesn’t Seau’s do an all inclusive beer and tacos carbon party like the beer and brats thing? I could go for some good adobada or carne asasda before the games.

BTW on the news this morning they had a story about how the operating permits on the South Bay power plant will expire w/o renewal this December. A year for demolition and soil remediation and the Chula Vista site begins to look viable again.

Well except that Chula Vista has been having record revenue short falls due to the housing slump. Maybe CV will not be able to swing a financing package.

by Trendsearcher on May 13, 2010 10:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Great job on all these posts Jeff.

Its a good way to wrap up everything involving the stadium because its such a complicated issue.

Question for Mr.Fabiani: If public money is to be used for a new stadium, then the public should have access to it. What, if any, ideas are there to create a community environment with the stadium(i.e. like Jeff’s idea of a musuem).

"It's all part of the plan." Jeff Moorad and The Joker in the Dark Knight.

"Just because you went to the Finals last year, you can’t go out on the floor and expect teams to lay down. We got no heart. You can only make so many excuses. Everybody has to come and play hard, not just one or two guys."-Matt Barnes

by L Magico on May 13, 2010 5:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow!

this stadium I must see some day!!!
its freakin awesome I can’t wait if the people decide whether or not they"ll build the stadium in downtown. It would be perfect, cuz shiiiiittt, I’ll go there every weekend if theres like a mall or sumtin.

Reppin SD (Z-G)

by BFTB_zach on May 13, 2010 6:26 PM PDT reply actions  

parking could be an issue downtown

I hope they do find a good place to build a new stadium, but don’t know if downtown is the place to do it or not. Land downdown is boo coup expensive, limited parking (tailgating) they rape you for parking for pads games. Yeah, you have the trolley, but traffics a mess when the pads play. and like some have mentioned, can you imagine the pads and chargers both playing at the same time downtown? Too bad the chula vista waterfront plan fell through. So, other than downtown, where would YOU like to see it built? Anyone?

by irishlad on May 14, 2010 9:12 AM PDT reply actions  

isn't parking at the Q for a Chargers game around $25?

you can park in the convention center for a Padres game for $10 or less.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on May 14, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Traffic?

Leaving the Q is a nightmare traffic-wise. 80% of the traffic has to flow onto Friars Rd. Traffic is much better downtown. I can leave Padres games way faster downtown than I ever could at the Q.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't

by Wonko on May 14, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

So true. Traffic was much worse at Qualcomm.

Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate

by Richard Wade on May 14, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

beaucoup

What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on May 14, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great

article, I really enjoyed the write up and pic’s. Thanks for giving us something to read during this football dead zone called May.

by GABOLT on May 14, 2010 8:36 PM PDT reply actions  

de rigueur

I loved that you used that term. It was very erudite of you. Two can play this game.

Bring back Balboa Stadium.

by calipatrick on May 15, 2010 6:01 AM PDT reply actions  

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