Use Your Head: Analyzing Chargers News/Rumors
Admittedly, this has not been the most exciting offseason in the history of the San Diego Chargers. Were they involved in one of the bigger trades of the offseason when they sent Charlie Whitehurst to the Seattle Seahawks? Yes, but that won't really get exciting until we see what the Chargers do with those picks. Did they cut possibly the greatest player in the history of the franchise? Absolutely, but it was a move that was two years in the making.
This offseason is all about two things. One is the NFL's Collective Bargaining Agreement, which has now passed it's deadline to be renewed and keep things the way they were. The excitement associated with that has come and gone. The second, and one that Chargers fans are familiar with being excited about, is the NFL Draft. When it comes to free agency and big trades, the Chargers will remain a quiet and conservative player as long as A.J. Smith continues to keep this team playing at a high level.
However, that has not stopped certain people from talking. So I'm here to dispel the rumors and give you the truth.
Rumor #1 - Marcus McNeill to the Colts
Could the Colts use some help at Left Tackle? Probably. Both Charlie Johnson and Tony Ugoh are young and prone to some mental mistakes. For a team that demands perfection, they could certainly be looking to upgrade. McNeill's biggest strength is pass protection, which means he would be a very good fit for the Colts.
However, there's a few things people are not considering past that:
- One, Peyton Manning has the best pocket awareness of any QB in the league and maybe ever. The only QB that started more than a couple of games that was sacked less than Peyton was Vince Young, who played half as many games and was sacked nine times (as opposed to Peyton's ten). So obviously, while they'd like to upgrade, this is not a big need for them.
- Two, Marcus McNeill is going to take a heavy price (1st & 3rd round picks) to get and will demand a heavy price when he signs a long-term contract. The Colts are a team that builds through the draft, almost exclusively, and has a lot of big-money players already (Manning, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Dwight Freeney, etc.). I can't imagine they'd be happy giving up what it would take to do the deal.
- Three, and perhaps most importantly, the Chargers have rarely left themselves in a position where they needed to rely on a rookie to come in and be a worthwhile starter in his first season. Kevin Ellison was supposed to be a backup to Clinton Hart, just as Louis Vasquez was supposed to backup Kynan Forney, for at least one year. The Bolts are now in a position where they will need a good season from a rookie at RB, as the starter. I highly doubt they'll compound the risk there by letting their Pro Bowl Left Tackle walk away.
Conclusion: Ain't Happening.
Rumor #2 - Darren Sproles will be traded for a draft pick(s)
Just like with Antonio Cromartie, I'm sure the Chargers have shopped around Darren Sproles to teams that have two power backs and could use a better 3rd down RB (like the 49ers). I'm sure the lack of a deal at this point means that they didn't get any answers that they were satisfied with. Could they possibly still be looking to trade him?
Yes and no:
- Yes because he's way overpaid (2009 and 2010 salaries equal about $14 mil). In the last two seasons, Sproles has made roughly the same amount of money LaDainian Tomlinson has made. You remember LT, right? Former MVP, one of the top 10 greatest RBs that has ever lived and San Diego's football equivalent to Tony Gwynn. That guy. He was still getting paid like he was the league's MVP, as the top paid RB in 2008 and the 2nd highest paid RB in 2009. Sproles was making just a tiny bit less and this year will probably be the 2nd highest paid RB. This is not the ideal situation for the money-cautious San Diego Chargers. Not when they're trying to save money to eventually sign guys like McNeill and Vincent Jackson to long-term deals. If they can trade Sproles, they can get rid of the headache.
- No because that would put the Chargers in an even deeper hole at the RB position. In terms of starting RBs, Sproles is probably somewhere around a D+ or C-. However, if the kid they draft gets injured, the team will be forced to turn to......Mike Tolbert? Jacob Hester? Can you imagine either of those guys being the starting RB for a playoff team? Me neither. So while the Chargers don't want to keep Sproles around, they may need him because he's the closest thing to a backup RB that the team has.
Conclusion: Maybe. Every Summer a team ends up cutting a RB that still has some worth. Michael Bennett is still out there. The Chargers have pieces to trade with (Merriman) if they really need some help somewhere. If San Diego took a chance (let's say they trade Sproles and the #28 pick to move up and get CJ Spiller), they would eventually have the chance to find a worthwhile backup. Is it a risky move? Yes. Would the RB the team eventually went after have the advantage because he'd know that the Chargers need a backup? Yes. However, you're getting an awful lot of money off the books and helping your team at a more important position in the process. It could happen, but it's not a sure thing.
Rumor #3 - Vincent Jackson/Marcus McNeill/Shawne Merriman/Darren Sproles/Malcolm Floyd will be signed to a long-term deal
This drives me nuts any time somebody brings it up. There is literally no benefit whatsoever to the Chargers signing any of these guys to long-term deals when they don't know what the rules for NFL contracts are going to be in the future. Maybe the cap never comes back. Maybe it comes back lower. Maybe players are UFAs sooner, maybe later.
Here's an analogy. You're at a restaurant, and you take a bite of the delicious steak that you ordered (sorry vegans!). Immediately you know that this is one of the most delicious steaks you've ever had, and you're so excited about it that you bring back the waiter and order three more. "But are you sure?" he says, "You might be full by time you finish this one." Nonsense! You know a good thing when you've tasted it, and you demand three more steaks immediately.
Now, that doesn't make any damn sense, does it? Well that's exactly the situation the Chargers are in. They're a few bites into their delicious steaks, with no idea how full they're going to be by the end of it, and they're smart enough to just keep on eating what's in front of them and not get too far ahead of themselves. This is also why you didn't see many long-term deals (like Albert Haynesworth's endless contract) signed this offseason. GMs have no idea what they'll be dealing with in a year from now, and because of restricted free agents, they're mostly able to buy themselves another year of time to keep an eye on it. To sign any of these players (except for Sproles, in which case it would probably save the team money to give him a long-term deal) right now would be foolish.
Conclusion: Don't count on it. At least not until the CBA talks between the owners and the players' association became a little closer/clearer.
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Excellent post John. We need more people to use their heads in this world.
Noooooooo!!!!!!!
Teh SAW says McNeill will be teh TraDed1
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by Zach (maestro876) on Apr 6, 2010 3:45 PM PDT reply actions
Rumor #3
I tend to disagree with “There is literally no benefit whatsoever to the Chargers signing any of these guys to long-term deals when they don’t know what the rules for NFL contracts are going to be in the future.” It seems to me that even in the most extreme scenario that the guys from the 2005 draft will become unrestricted free agents after 2010. Maybe you can franchise one, maybe you can franchise two, but there will be more guys going to free agency that you can franchise. A guy like McNeill seems valuable enough that you don’t want him tasting unrestricted free agency (just like how you didn’t want Rivers to test free agency). I would think that you would investigate a long term contract. Obviously, you don’t want to break the bank, but you do have some leverage since the player is playing “on the cheap” (sort of) for 2010, and would probably like the nice shiny signing bonus sooner rather than later.
The main reason that I could see none of them getting deals is that many of them may be in a situation where the Chargers are not interested in retaining them at anything other than a bargain past 2010. Adding the uncertainty of the CBA just adds one more reason not to sign them. Basically, I could see that being true for all of them other than McNeill. But, then again maybe they have more concerns about his health than we are aware of. If not though, I just don’t see the uncertainty as that big of an obstacle.
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by Wonko on Apr 6, 2010 3:46 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I was thinking that
That the only reason any of them would get done is if they would be wiling to sign for less than what they’re worth (I think Gates is in this boat, actually). All valid points, but like you said….I don’t think the Chargers are really that afraid of losing any of these guys.
"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22
Re: "I don’t think the Chargers are really that afraid of losing any of these guys."
I would agree that they aren’t afraid of losing any of these guys, but shouldn’t they be afraid of losing all of them. Because that’s basically what has happened in recent history with Chargers free agents (admittedly, most were of lesser caliber and were either not starters or had replacements ready).
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They should be very afraid of losing their left tackle
They just paid Rivers a ton of money, they might as well keep him conscious
IMO
Unless they feel they can upgrade it somehow
I’m not entirely convinced that the Chargers believe that McNeill is the stud LT that he’s perceived to be. The risk averse in me says I’d rather not take that chance, he seems to be good enough.
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Well if thats the case
Then Vjack should get a longterm deal. If they sign one RFA longterm and have something resembling a franchise tag in 2011, then I guess I could live with that.
But I think Big Mac is better than good enough, consider how far we throw the ball down field; what we don’t want is to try and upgrade left tackle and fail. That would be real real bad
IMO
That second paragraph
Is basically the risk averse stance I was mentioning. I feel like with all the other issues we have, the risk averse stance on LT seems appropriate.
Signing VJ to a big deal is probably not being risk averse though. Or maybe it is. I waffle on that one.
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Thats actually a solid point
You could argue that signing VJack longterm is less risky, even with his driving problems. The big question is who is easier to replace, and I would guess you could make the argument that its BigMac. I just think we need to sign one RFA, because with that and something like a franchise tag we could keep some kind of offensive nucleus moving forward
IMO
I agree
If they sign one RFA long term, I would be more accepting of their offseason strategy.
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For the record
I think at least one of them gets done in-season, just not this offseason.
"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22
Also
Dombrowski has been casually mentioned as a “potential LT” by Norv a couple of times, if I’m remembering correctly.
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I would disagree on 3 too
We cant go into 2011 with uncertainty with all our RFAs, especially Big Mac. Left tackles arent easy to find. They are in such demand that people will even believe a douchebagg like Hacksaw for the chance of hoping to steal one from another club. I expect at least two players to get extensions during the year, Big Mac and Gates I would guess.
IMO
I doubt Gates will get a long-term deal
Perhaps a two-year extension or so. The injuries keep coming and he’s a little past his prime— still an excellent TE, but not going to be the best in the league over the next few years.
Yup, I'm the nut who believes Mark Loretta is a possible future Hall of Famer.
by StrangeBroP25 on Apr 6, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
He looks like a beast when I watch him, and he plays injured. His numbers are ridiculous for a WR, let alone TE. Last thing I would want is for the Chargers to offer him a two year deal, and burn a bridge with a HOF TE because there’s a non existent perception he’s on the decline
IMO
by Foilhat on Apr 6, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Under the old CBA
You could basically sign him to a long term deal that really amounted to a 2 year extension. Who knows what this new one will be.
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past his prime?
tony gonzales has to be in his mid 60s (ok, i exagerate, but he is considerably older). barring injury, gates still has AT LEAST 5-6 years left as a better than average TE
by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Apr 7, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
He's not even 30
He’ll be solid for at least four more years; when he’s combined with a decent WR its a nightmare for the defense
IMO
Shannon Sharpe too
He was just as productive at 35 as he was at 30.
Casper and Newsome (both HOF TEs) saw drop off after 30, but it was a different time and it might have been for health reasons that they weren’t as productive.
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Rumor 2 and Mike Tolbert
I think Mike Tolbert could actually start a few games at tailback. We run between the tackles a fair bit which would suit him. He might not have great speed but if he gets past the line of scrimmage he is hard to bring down. He closed out a couple of fourth quarters last season.
I’m not that worried if Sproles goes. In fact I would like to see someone else return punts this year. He seems to lack a certain amount of judgment in the punt return game. He is better on kickoffs.
In sort of a cruel irony
I think that Tolbert would only succeed in a limited time at tailback if he had a great fullback in front of him.
I actually don’t see Tolbert as harder to bring down than a shiftier back. Especially if he was asked to start over a long period of time.
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I like
Tolbert and think he can be a bigger part of our offense this year
by NorthCountyBolt on Apr 6, 2010 4:42 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I could see 10 carries a game
He could be the power back option in the team. Last year 25 carries 148 yards 5.9 ypc long 32 yds. Compared with the shiftier back Sproles 93 carries 343 yards 3.7 ypc long 21 yds. I think he could be a more effective runner than Sproles. He is a good receiver out of the backfield. He could be used a little more than he has.
That said, I would like us to get Mathews in first and use Tolbert a little more at HB in relief.
It’s plausible that AJ would skip drafting a RB and enter the season with Tolbert and Sproles as a RB-by-committee in a continued pass oriented offense. I too think Tolbert has a little more upside as a ball carrier than he generally gets credit for. Will it happen? I doubt it. But it is a credible avenue for AJ to take if the draft board gets wonky. (hopefully the draft board won’t get WONKO)
by Orz on Apr 6, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Good to see you back John
From the noises KA is still making, I expect Sproles to be either traded during or just after the draft or signed to a long-term contract shortly after (I think the least likely option is that stays with us just on that one-year tender).
I’d like to see a more detailed post from you or our GM on the pros and cons of trading Sproles and pick 28 to go up in the draft to secure Spiller (or perhaps guarantee getting Matthews, who some people seem to have very high – I saw him at 5 somewhere!). How much is Sproles at risk of significant injury? I know he used to be considered injury-prone.
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He had like one major season ending injury and nothing else. I seem to recall it was a broken bone. I wouldn’t call that injury prone.
by Orz on Apr 6, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Sproles
Should consider fair catching it sometimes before he gets hurt!
by NorthCountyBolt on Apr 6, 2010 4:53 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Or
they should just replace him with Buster as our PR
"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22
This.
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Apr 6, 2010 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Or trade him
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Apr 6, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Oops. I meant Sprolesy.
They just have too many RFAs, I smell one more big deal. Not even necessarily for an RFA if they can improve at two spots.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Apr 7, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Few thoughts
1. Out of all the RFAs this year I think Big Mac would be the most difficult to replace. Unless the Chargers plan on having a rebuilding year this season in which they will be picking in the top half of the first round I don’t see them being able to replace him next off-season. I know they drafted big-Mac in the top of the second round but who knows if a starting LT will drop that far next year.
2. Tolbert will not make a good TB in the NFL especially after h bulked up after last season to be a better FB. People saw him break off a few big runs last season and think that he could be the next Le’Ron McClain but you have to remember that he had the element of surprise, when everyone is fixated on the back behind you then it makes things a lot easier. We need a site myth-buster to expel the 4-3 and Tolbert at tailback talked that have become so prevalent this off-season.
3. I don’t think the lack of RB depth on the roster is what is keeping Sproles in a Charger uniform, I think it’s the fact that teams want to see what backs fall to them in the second or third rounds before they give up a pick to get him. My guess is that the Chargers draft 2 backs this year, one in the first three rounds and another in the last four. It also would not surprise me to see them pick up another back with the next round of cuts after the draft.
by Grey Suit on Apr 6, 2010 8:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
More like the middle of the 2nd round than the top of it.
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one interesting RB sidenote
is that Curtis Brinkley, the RB we signed as an UDFA out of Syracuse last year, the guy who got shot, is still on the roster. Its only a little interesting, and only because Byrd, who was in a similar situation, was cut a few weeks ago. So is the fact that he is still on the roster an indication of some positive feelings from the FO towards Brinkley??
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Apr 7, 2010 12:25 PM PDT reply actions
That sounds like a question for Kevin Acee.
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Actually
Brinkley was cut about a week after he got shot and was recently signed back. My guess is that he came in and passed a physical with flying colors, whereas Byrd did not.
"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22
for what it's worth
KFFL says he was put on the non-football injury reserved list back in July. This is the same like Byrd was on all year. He could have been cut after that, I’m not sure. Either way, he is on the roster now.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Apr 7, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought he was cut too
I also thought I read the Chargers “brought him back”, but I guess it doesnt matter point is he is on the roster now; just with a nice scar.
I always love presseason but this year should be even more interesting, I’m going to enjoying watching the rookies and scrubs tote the rock
IMO
Damn
from Chargers.com:
07/24/2009 Released LB Matt Wilhelm; placed RB Curtis Brinkely on “Reserve – Non Football Injury”
"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22
wasnt that a great day?
We finally cut Wilhelm. A collective sigh of relief by all bolt fans.
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by Diesel85 on Apr 7, 2010 6:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
No wonder I had no clue what happened to Brinkley
Was probably celebrating Wiffers release with beer and pizza.
IMO

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