San Diego Chargers 2010 Draft Grades
This year's draft was particularly exciting for Chargers fans for a couple of reasons. The first reason is that, probably for the first time since 2005, the team was drafting almost entire out of need instead of depth. Need either for 2010 or 2011. The second reason is we got to see A.J. Smith and the Chargers front office work the phones, pull off trades and go after the guys that they really like to be successful in San Diego. This draft, and these players, will be tied to A.J. and his scouts more than any other going forward.
After the jump, my personal grade on each draft pick the Chargers made.
Round 1, Pick 12 Overall - Ryan Mathews, RB
I love this pick. I'm giddy about this pick. The more I see and hear about Mathews, the more I see a star. The more I think about the thunder-and-lightning combo he could make with Darren Sproles, the more I think our running game is going to turn around immediately (to at least become "average") and make Philip Rivers one of the odds-on favorites for the MVP award. There's really nothing better than taking one of the league's best offenses and possibly making it twice as dangerous.
You Should Know: All we heard about before the draft was that Matthews was a "power running back", but had the skills to be an all-around running back. Did you know Mathews led all of college football in 50+ yard rushes last season? He did. Does that sound like a sluggish power-back to you, or somebody that's been restricted only by the talent around him? Yeah, me too. I think this kid's a star.
Grade: A
Round 3, Pick 79 Overall - Donald Butler, ILB
I went into this draft a little more worried about our Inside Linebackers than a lot of other people. Stephen Cooper looks like he needs to be replaced soon (I believe it's his last year under contract), Kevin Burnett can't stay healthy (I believe it's his last year under contract) and Brandon Siler can't play both positions (or can he?). The 3-4 defense I always look at as the prototype is the one the Chargers had under Wade Phillips. In that defense, there was the run-stopping force that was Randall Godfrey lined up next to quite possibly the best coverage LB in the league in Donnie Edwards. Siler reminds me a lot of Godfrey, and what I'm reading/seeing in Butler reminds me of Donnie Edwards. Butler is "instinctive", "smart", "disciplined" and has "fluid hips". If he's as good of a player as the Chargers think he is (since they traded up to get him), I think him and Siler are the 2011 starting ILBs.
You Should Know: In 12 games last season, Butler had 91 tackles, 3 forced fumbles and 2 interceptions. That projects to at least 100 tackles in 16 games, and without having to fight at the line so much there's a chance he'll get even more. Donnie Edwards without the experience. Kevin Burnett without the injury problems.
Grade: B
Round 4, Pick 110 Overall - Darrell Stuckey, SS
What's funny is that after this pick was taken, somebody in the open thread said something about Stuckey reminding them of Clinton Hart. It's hard to disagree, but that may not be a bad thing. The Chargers got Hart when he was 31 and managed a couple of productive years out of him until he started breaking down and showing major flaws. They're getting Stuckey as a rookie, and have time to mold him more. Also, Stuckey has better speed. An "in-the-box" Safety with very good speed, good instincts and a workman's-like approach to the game. Probably not the 2010 starter, and I worry about the size disadvantage both of our Safeties would have against TEs when he's out there with Eric Weddle, but a good project pick.
You Should Know: Stuckey had 90+ tackles in each of his last two seasons with Kansas. The Jayhawks' big year in 2008 was partially do to him grabbing 5 interceptions that season. Like with most Chargers' picks, Stuckey is a smart player who is better than his physical tools would lead you to believe.
Grade: B-
Round 5, Pick 146 Overall - Cam Thomas, DT
This could be the steal of the draft right here. Many analysts had Cam Thomas as a 2nd round draft pick, and we saw more than a few mocks that were hoping the Chargers could get Mathews and Thomas with their #28 and #40 picks. Getting him in the 5th round lowers expectations, lowers his hit against the cap and yet still fills the hole with potentially top-flight talent. Look at this scouting report on Thomas to see how he's thought of:
Thomas is a space eater in the middle of the line and a defender who is seemingly impossible to move off the point. More of a straight-line defender with minimal skills rushing the passer, he is a two-gap lineman whose greatest asset is the ability to free things up for the linebackers who play behind him.
You Should Know: I can't seem to figure out why Thomas dropped so much. The only negative thing I can find in any scouting report on him is that he "wears down" during games. Perhaps the Chargers are just in a better position than others to deal with that, with a plan to have a deep rotation along the defensive line instead of 4-5 guys, and if so they should consider themselves lucky. They found themselves a gem.
Grade: A
Round 5, Pick 168 Overall - Jonathan Crompton, QB
Project pick. Consider this one like we did Vaughn Martin last year. You won't see much of Crompton this year, because he'll be locked in the film room with Norv Turner, Philip Rivers and Billy Volek. The scouting reports, and the stats, say that Crompton is capable of being a solid #2 QB in the NFL if he can get smarter about his game (doesn't read defenses well, doesn't look off Safeties) and more consistent with his decision-making. If there's anybody better than Norv Turner to teach this kid how to fix those problems, I don't believe I know their name.
You Should Know: I have yet to find any details about Jonathan's ability to grow a beard, grow long hair, hold a clipboard or make the ladies swoon. If we are still looking for answers come training camp, I will make sure these questions get asked.
Oh right, stats. Crompton's 2009 was quite impressive. 27 TDs against 13 Interceptions, and that includes a couple of early hiccups (0 TDs, 3 INT vs UCLA. 0 TDs, 2 INT @ FLA). Ask any QB in college or in the pros, doing that your first year in a new system is hard. Especially in the SEC. He's got some talent.
Grade: B
Round 7, Pick 235 Overall - Dedrick Epps, TE
Epps is a Tight End out of the University of Miami. Based off his fairly pedestrian numbers, I'm going to imagine he was second string on the team. Scouting reports say that what he lacks in strength as a blocker, he makes up for with nearly-perfect technique. He has great instinctual skills for a receiver (such as using his body to shield defenders away from the ball) and could turn into a very good red zone target with some coaching. The Chargers needed a Tight End to replace the departed Brandon Manumaleuna, and it looks like they've found themselves a all-around TE with good potential. Yippee.
You Should Know: Ummm, I don't know. Epps had a pretty consistent career of getting 1-3 catches a game for roughly 12 yards a catch. Occasionally one of those catches would be for a touchdown.
Grade: C
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Like we needed another TE
Where is the O Lineman. Hello UDFA’s to fill the gaps.
We did need another TE
We lost Manumaleuna.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Apr 24, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Some teams carry only two TEs
But of course since we have one of the top TEs in the game we need to go three deep.
Who was our Center for most of last year? How good was that guy that lined up right next to that Center? How deep are we at the rest of the O line spots?
How good are our starting guys? So at O-Line and FB we get no free agents, no draft picks and somehow the UDFAs are gonna be an improvement?
All the while one of our few draft choices is almost guaranteed to be sitting third on the depth chart.
by Trendsearcher on Apr 24, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think
a UDFA is going to be able to beat out our current OL or FB. We legitimately have 7 guys on the offensive line that could start and two of them are versatile guys that can play multiple positions. The only reason to go OL was to get an OT that could develop into a starter at either tackle position in case we lose McNeil or tire of Dombo and Clary. That doesn’t leave a lot of room for a draft pick. At FB, we already have two guys that will be on the 53 man roster next year we can’t be adding a 3rd.
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Another thing on OLine
FootballOutsiders did research on how to improve offensive lines and the best way turned out to just return the previous line. That would improve effectiveness more than any change could do. Something to keep in mind.
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That's a fallacy
NFL rules require every team to carry 3 TEs.
I don’t understand being unhappy with the FB position. Hester and Tolbert are good.
The offensive line right now has the starters, plus a guy who can play T/G and a guy who can play G/C. Not to mention Green, who they drafted last year, who can play C/G. And Corey Clark, a T/G that the team has liked for a few years.
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by John Gennaro on Apr 24, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Did not know that
NFL rules require every team to carry 3 TEs
Certainly the guys we have are versatile – They’ve had to be. Sort of like Jacks of All Trades, and Masters of None. The footwork and technique make it very hard to trade jobs. Rotating players around to different spots on the line game to game, possession to possession is high irregular. Yeah we did it last year, doesn’t mean it was a good thing.
As far as our sorry bunch of small err… full backs…. Well… I’ll just focus on the positives…. They both can catch a pass.
by Trendsearcher on Apr 24, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
We won 13 games with all those guys
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by matthewverygood on Apr 24, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I do have to give last year’s Line credit
They did pass block very well. Especially once teams figured out that all we were gonna do was pass. But to me that only gives the O Line credit for not loosing those games. River’s and the receivers won those games.
We get back to rushing that ball for at least half of the yards and touch downs, and now we are talking O Line.
by Trendsearcher on Apr 24, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Who’s to say that this line can’t do that with a better RB?
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by John Gennaro on Apr 24, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks like the Chargers got that fullback
Cory Jackson, Maryland, was one of the top 5 FBs in this draft.
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I'm hoping AJ's track record for UDFAs holds up
Because even an undrafted guy with FB traits (ie weight, size and strength) beats Hesters and Tolbert.
Tolbert almost has the weight part, but he just can’t make a big enough hole. And basically when it comes down to it you want your full back to punish / eliminate one guy on every play. Tolbert definitely is not strong enough for that.
And Hester – he’s a half back and not a very good one either. Its like the Chargers are asking Hester to do something that is a physical mismatch for him .
by Trendsearcher on Apr 26, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I think that's too generous with the Crompton grade
He’s a development project and we hope he never sees the field, which is why that pick should have gone to address a bigger need. A better TE, another RB, something else besides a 3rd string QB/camp arm.
Wilson and Gates are here for a while, why go for a better TE? Volek will probably be gone after this season, we need a replacement for him. The Crompton pick was as good as the Butler pick.
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by John Gennaro on Apr 24, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I get what your saying about Crompton
as we needed a third QB, but Butler might actually play on the field during a regular season game.
The Crompton pick was as good as the Butler pick.
Hardly. Butler will contribute on special teams and will compete to be a starter, probably sooner rather than later, especially since all 3 current ILBs are in their last year. Compton is a guy who we literally hope will never play. Best case scenario, he’s the new Billy Volek in a few years, but I doubt he’ll even rise that high.
Could have grabbed a receiver, another RB, an O-lineman, almost anything else would have had more value.
Best case scenario
He’s the new Billy Volek in 2011 and the new Charlie Whitehurst in 2014.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Apr 25, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
At first I hated the pick, more the player than the pick but we do need a 3rd QB especially since Volek might not be here in the coming years. Crompton has the “tools” to be a good QB and since Norv should have ample time to coach him up before he gets meaningful playtime then its a better pick than say a Tony Pike or someone like that.
Cam Thomas
I have a couple explanations for his drop.
First, about half the league has no use for him. You’d pretty much have to run a 3-4 to like Thomas.
Second, he’s not a difference maker. You can use him to stop the run and set up other defenders, but he’s not going to make amazing sacks and tackles. He’s serviceable. If you perceived a desperate need to have a prototypical NT then you could see a team taking him as high as the 2nd round just to make sure they got their NT before the ones that were close to NFL ready were gone.
Third, at UNC they had an outstanding front 7. A couple of them went in this draft and a few more will go really high in the next draft. It may have been hard for evaluators to separate him from those other future stars and that raised questions.
Fourth, Buffalo gambled. In the second round Buffalo (who is switching to a 3-4) decided that Torrell Troup was their guy. Troup is a more flashy defender and could do well in the 3-4 role, but he’s riskier than Thomas in that he may not be the space eater that most want at that position.
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by Wonko on Apr 24, 2010 3:37 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Third, at UNC they had an outstanding front 7. A couple of them went in this draft and a few more will go really high in the next draft. It may have been hard for evaluators to separate him from those other future stars and that raised questions.
I read in a couple of places that Thomas was the one most-often double-teamed.
All valid points.
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by John Gennaro on Apr 24, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
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about a month from now sounds perfect.
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by John Gennaro on Apr 24, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
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okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24
An interesting question
Is why was it better to spend what we did to get Butler when we potentially could have spent less (in draft picks) to get Kirk Morrison?
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I don't believe Morrison has the coverage ability
that Butler potentially has.
and Morrison is 28. And the raiders would rather trade him out of the division.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Apr 24, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Let me go on record
Stuckey may be the 2nd best safety in this draft. Amazing work ethic & character – with the required physical skills to be great.
by IndustrialRevolution on Apr 24, 2010 6:42 PM PDT reply actions
the draft
once again the chargers has made a worthless draft they havent drafted well since beathard and butler..the picks they made will not help or needs which are nosetackle,safty and cornerback and a good pass rushing tackle…that was a joke to take crompton ….
The Chargers' system is not geared to support a pass-rushing tackle like, for instance, Ndamukong Suh or Albert Haynesworth
but that’s not my real point. Beathard was a moron. Beathard was a TERRIBLE GM. Beathard was the brainard behind the disastrous drafts of the mid to late 90’s. You might remember them—
Beathard’s first draft was in ’92: 1st rounder, unspectacular DE Chris Mims. He died a few years ago of heart trouble, was on welfare, and weighed 456 pounds. Second round: DB Marquez Pope, who went two picks before Darren Woodson. Third round— nothing special WR named Ray Ethridge. Next pick was in the 5th round, and it was center Curtis Whitley, who stuck for a few years and also died in 2008 of obesity-related causes. At the end of the 5th, we selected small-college TE Eric Jonassen, who was followed by DT Reggie White (not THAT Reggie White), unspectacular TE Deems May, DB James Miller, disposable WR Johnny Barnes, DT Arthur Paul, RB Keith McAfee, and kicker Carlos Huerta (who never played a down with the Chargers, but was excellent for a few years in the CFL) in the last twelve-round draft to date.
1993: First-rounder Darrien Gordon was a pretty good pick, but his best years came after he left the Chargers. In round two, we selected RB Natrone Means, who became a local legend. So it’s hard to quibble over those two. But in the third round, San Diego went with G Joe Cocozzo over future multiple-time Pro Bowlers Will Shields and John Lynch. We followed that pick with Raylee Johnson, who never really amounted to much, as did WR Walter Dunson, whom we drafted next. We rounded out the draft with mediocre DB Eric Castle, pedestrian LB Doug Miller (with stud Jessie Armstead going later to the Giants) and, surprisingly, Trent Green who saw no action in a Chargers uniform and did a stint in Canada before his first starting job.
1994, our greatest season, surely was begun with a great draft, right? Well… nope. We started the season by not having a first-round pick. At number 43, our round 2 pick, we brought in OG Isaac Davis; Larry Allen went at number 46. We also picked up guard Vaughn Parker at 63, when 65th overall pick Tim Ruddy was a solid starter for years in Miami and went to a Pro Bowl in 2001. In round three, we took WR Andre Coleman and DB Willie Clark, TE Aaron Laing in the 5th, and FINALLY connected on a pick when we took Rodney Harrison at 145th overall. He was easily the highlight of the draft— we picked up DE Darren Krein at #150, RB Tony Vinson at 160, and LB Zane Beehn at 207 (future Broncos stalwart Tom Nalen was still on the board, taken by Denver at #218). In the meantime, Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia, and Rod Smith went undrafted.
In 1995, we didn’t have a first-rounder. Our first pick was in the second round at #34, with which we selected DB Terrance Shaw. Later in the round, we took RB Terrell Fletcher; Curtis Martin went two dozen picks later to New England. In the third, we took DT Don Sasa, followed by LBs Preston Harrison and Chris Cowart, and RB Aaron Hayden, WR Omar Ellison, G Troy Sienckiwicz, another WR named Brandon Harrison, and— at pick 197— famously awful QB Craig Whelihan. Guess who went before Whelihan? TERRELL DAVIS. We picked two lousy RBs, two scrub ’backers, a useless DT, an equally useless guard, and two bad recievers before a future Hall of Fame rusher. Beathard rounded out this symphony of idiocy by drafting DB Mark Montreuil in the 7th.
In 1996 we didn’t have a first-rounder. Shame, because we missed on an extremely deep class. With our second-rounder, we took WR Bryan Still— two picks ahead of Muhsin Muhammed. In the same round, we picked up linebacker Patrick Sapp; 11 selections later, Philly drafted Brian Dawkins. We followed that up with TE Brian Roche (8 ahead of TERRELL OWENS and 17 ahead of Donnie Edwards), WR Charlie Jones (who was drafted before Joe Horn), DT Junior Soli ahead of LaRoi Glover, OT Jim Mills ahead of OG Marco Rivera, and RB Freddie Bradley.
How about 1997? Our first pick was in round 2, which we used on TE Freddie Jones. Freddie Jones! With Ronde Barber, Jason Taylor, and Darren Sharper still there. He was followed by Michael Hamilton (instead of the available Bert Berry, Derrick Mason or Mike Vrabel), then Raleigh Roundtree and Paul Bradford (who were chosen ahead of Al Harris), Daniel Palmer, Toran James, and Tony Corbin. We also missed the boat on Jake Delhomme, Jon Kitna, Priest Holmes, Pat Williams, and Sammy Knight, all of whom went undrafted.
In ’98 we drafted Ryan Leaf, TE Mikhael Ricks, DE Cedric Harden, CB Clifford Ivory, and LB Jon Haskins. These players ranged from average to Ryan F*cking Leaf.
’99: No pick, Jermaine Fazande, Steve Heiden, Jason Perry (by the way, Donald Driver and Aaron Smith were on the board here, among other future stars and starters), Adrian Dingle, Reggie Nelson, and Tyrone Bell.
2000: No pick in the first round, loaded with Pro Bowlers; Rogers Beckett, Damion McIntosh, Trevor Gaylor, Leonardo Carson (instead of SDSU alum and defensive lineman Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila), Shannon Taylor (taken two picks ahead of fellow LB Adalius Thomas, and 15 ahead of TOM BRADY), Damon Wheeler, JaJuan Seider, Jason Thomas.
BUTLER ERA
2001: LT, Drew Brees (who, I might remind you, was wildly inconsistent with the Chargers), Tay Cody, Carlos Polk, Zeke Moreno, Brandon Gorin, and Robert Carswell.
2002: Quentin Jammer, Toniu Fonoti, Reche Caldwell, Ben Leber, Justin Peele, Terry Charles, Matt Anderle, and Seth Burford.
Not great drafts, although LT is now a legend and Jammer a solid contributor (though not worth a #5 overall pick). Butler died a little more than two weeks before the 2003 Draft, bringing us into the AJ ERA
2003: Sammy Davis (one pick in front of Nnamdi Asomugha— whiff), Drayton Florence, Terrence Kiel, Courtney Van Buren, Matt Wilhelm, Mike Scifres, Hanik Milligan (a onetime Pro Bowler), and Andrew Pinnock. Not a great draft, but we also brought in a boatload of talent that year as UDFAs— Kassim Osgood, Antonio Gates, Kris Dielman, Jacques Cesaire, and Stephen Cooper.
2004: Philip Rivers, Igor Olshansky, Nate Kaeding, Nick Hardwick, Shaun Phillips, Dave Ball, Michael Turner, Ryan Krause, Ryon Bingham, Shane Olivea, Carlos Joseph, and Wes Welker as a UDFA.
2005: Shawne Merriman, Luis Castillo, Vincent Jackson, Darren Sproles, Wesley Britt, Wes Sims, and Scott Mruczkowski.
2006: Antonio Cromartie, Marcus McNeill, Charlie Clipboard, Tim Dobbins, Jeromey Clary, scrub kicker Kurt Smith, Chase Page, and Jimmy Martin.
2007: Buster Davis, Eric Weddle, Anthony Waters, Scott Chandler, Legedu Naanee, Brandon Siler, plus Paul Oliver in the Supplemental Draft and Jyles Tucker as a UDFA.
2008: Antoine Cason, Jacob Hester, Marcus Thomas, DeJuan Tribble, and Corey Clark. Mike Tolbert came in UDFA.
2009: English, Louis Vasquez, Vaughn Martin, Tyronne Green, Gartrell Johnson, Brandon Hughes, Kevin Ellison, Demetrius Byrd.
If you try and tell me that Beathard and Butler drafted better than AJ has— bearing in mind that these last few drafts still have time to shake out— I’ll happily call you either an idiot or a liar. Congratularions, you have just exposed yourself as a know-nothing at best and possibly a troll.
Yup, I'm the nut who believes Mark Loretta is a possible future Hall of Famer.
by StrangeBroP25 on Apr 25, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
A little harsh, but it's crazy to wish for Beathard over Smith.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Apr 25, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I kinda went overboard
Yup, I'm the nut who believes Mark Loretta is a possible future Hall of Famer.
by StrangeBroP25 on Apr 25, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Seem you protest to much Rec
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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 25, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
“unspectacular DE Chris Mims”
Mims helped put us in the Super Bowl. I agree with your overall point, but Mims put up 28 sacks his first three years before injuries caught up with him. I agree with the overall point that Beathard was a weak drafter; but you better believe the fat doctor pulled his weight.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Apr 25, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I loved the fat doctor
but he let success go to his head and he let the buffet go to his waistline. His career was half as long as it should have been (as was his life).
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Apr 25, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
His career was half as long as it should have been (as was his life).
I wouldn’t disagree, but he was a force on the line for three years. No doubt injuries, booze, too much wealth too fast and too much food all played their part; but the Chargers also asked him to put on the pounds to play the line. He was a first round talent, and played the trenches well for three years.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Apr 25, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
it's painful to recap those bethard drafts
let us not speak of them again.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Apr 25, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
His specialty
Trading next year’s first rounder to get into the second round. Just look at all those years we had no first rounder.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Apr 26, 2010 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Which is funny
Because three of our top players (VJ, Weddle and McNeil) were second round picks by A.J. as well as NFL starting DE Igor Olshansky. Kiel and Florence also had their fair share of starts in the NFL. So, basically, A.J. has never drafted a full on bust with a 2nd round pick before.
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Mathews' Stats
John -
Before you get too wound up regarding Mathews’ stats, look at last year’s Fresno State schedule. Although it included Boise State and Cincinnati, it also included UC Davis, Hawaii, San Jose State, New Mexico State, Utah State, Idaho, Louisiana Tech, and Nevada. He may be all that the Chargers expect him to be, but I for one, won’t be getting excited until I see what the season brings.
It's not just John.
Pretty much everyone believed he was the 2nd best back in the draft and capable of immediately being a quality starter.
Lots are even saying he’s the early favorite for offensive rookie of the year.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Apr 25, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
He also played Wisconsin and Illinois.
He put up his biggest game of the year against Boise State, going for 234 and 3tds while the game was still decently competitive. Boise State may not be Alabama, but they did go undefeated including winning the Fiesta Bowl. Their defense thumped Oregon, who eventually ran all over the Pac-10 and into the Rose Bowl, and they also held TCU, one of the best Offenses in the country, to a mere 10 points.
Nothing is guaranteed, but he did play well against quality competition and he does have the tools to succeed in the NFL.
by CABurrito on Apr 25, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LTs schedule his senior year in college
Nevada, Northwestern, Arkansas State, Navy, Hawaii, Tulsa, Rice, San Jose State, Fresno State, UTEP, Southern Methodist, Southern Missisippi
His junior year was the same except they played Arizona instead of Navy.
Not exactly first rate competition.
He did pretty well against Boise State.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Apr 25, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
The same thing as Mathews. Before LT played in the NFL, he was not a lock on the hall of fame. I’m not into downplaying this pick (although I don’t believe he will make a huge difference this season). I’m just not spun up by college stats. I’m old enough to remember top college running backs (from big schools, no less) who were disappointments in the NFL. The Chargers are not exempt from failure.
Of course not. Any draft pick can bust, any player can get hurt.
Whatever kind of reassurance you want, nobody gets any at all. Sorry.
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Apr 25, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Donald Butler
LOVE the donald butler pick. team captain, etc, totally an AJ kind of guy.
interesting note – butler was top among ALL linebackers in the draft for the benchpress at the combine. meaningless, yes, but at least we know butler has the physical tools to be a tackling machine
DL
With the addition of Cam Thomas, the DL has some big potential. He and Vaughn Martin are both beats, if they can develop their skill-sets and smarts, look out – thats a LOT of poundage in the middle

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