Filed to ESPN: After signing DE Jarvis Green earlier, Broncos agreed to a three-year deal with former San Diego DT Jamal Williams.
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This stings
It hardly seems worth saving $5 million. This is far worse than letting LT go in my opinion.
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by Wonko on Mar 9, 2010 2:47 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Unless he’s worse-off physically than we know.
"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22
Or, I guess
They really liked what they saw from Nwagbuo.
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You just made my night...
errr, I mean, morning…
I’m sincerely hoping this isn’t another LeKevin Smith type deal for us…
Based on your reaction is it safe to assume you guys think he still has some left in that big tank of his?
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by Blackshirt4Broncos on Mar 10, 2010 1:16 AM PST up reply actions
I suspect he does. He is injury prone at this point in his career, though. If I were you I’d be hoping that when he gets injured it isn’t season ending.
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by Richard Wade on Mar 10, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
makes sense... Wayne obviously must think he does too!
I’m holding on to the idea that part of the deal involves mentoring and grooming some of our young guys into quality pros.
So even if the vets we have do get hurt they still have something to contribute off the field…
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by Blackshirt4Broncos on Mar 10, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
I think it makes you guys better.
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Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Mar 10, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll be interested to hear what the contract was
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 9, 2010 2:56 PM PST reply actions
There was a brief fanshot of a tweet
That said 2 years $5 million. But it got removed just as I was adding a comment to it.
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Oh wait
That’s what Thomas Jones signed for. Maybe I’m getting confused.
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DT Jamal Williams done in Denver: 3 years, $16 million, including $7 milliion gtd, with a max value to deal over $22 million. – Shefter
"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22
I believe that makes him one of the top 3-4 paid DTs in the league in 2010.
"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22
Well you know AJ wouldn’t have even come remotely close to that, so I guess… “well played Jwall, well played indeed”
by Orz on Mar 9, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Yup
It makes sense for the Broncos though. It’s a desperation move, but one that is somewhat justified. No reward without the risk.
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Despite Shanahan leaving, the Broncos keep paying top dollar
for 30+ year old free agents.
"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds
by Zach (maestro876) on Mar 9, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
He's an NT, man.
He’s got it or he don’t, and he’s worth it or he ain’t.
Good move on the part of all three parties. But as a fan, this really, really hurts. I can’t even wish the guy good luck.
Good luck in your life after football.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Mar 9, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
But in regards to us, if the Broncos were willing to offer him that kind of money
there’s no way they could have brought him back. He isn’t worth that either.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Mar 9, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Correct
But the question is: Is he worth $5 million? Because we could have had him for that.
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by Wonko on Mar 9, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
True enough
and we’ll find out this year.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Mar 9, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
Well, fudge
But damn, thats a lot of loot. I wish we could’ve kept him but I don’t think he was worth that type of money.
If he is healthy and produces for them, how good are the Broncos now?
LT Style, Electric Glide
"It's all part of the plan." Jeff Moorad and The Joker in the Dark Knight.
"Just because you went to the Finals last year, you can’t go out on the floor and expect teams to lay down. We got no heart. You can only make so many excuses. Everybody has to come and play hard, not just one or two guys."-Matt Barnes
You touched on a magic word
“Health”
It was the most important reason why the Broncos started so strong last year. No one could compete with them on the health front. They were able to put in their starters week in and week out without much deviation. It was extraordinary. For me, that makes it hard to rate the 2010 Broncos because that means that we can’t really judge them based on the 2009 Broncos. Combine that with the loss of their defensive coordinator and it makes it even harder.
Seems like a good topic for our AFC West correspondent (Sam) that should ignite some heated discussion if the Mile High guys stop by.
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They got some pretty insane luck too.
If I had to guess, I’d put their win-loss about the same as this year. 8-8, give or take a game.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Mar 9, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
In regards to their injury concerns
perhaps that’s why they signed two 30+ year old nose tackles. One to play games 1-8, the other to play games 9-16.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Mar 9, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Now thats funny!
LT Style, Electric Glide
"It's all part of the plan." Jeff Moorad and The Joker in the Dark Knight.
"Just because you went to the Finals last year, you can’t go out on the floor and expect teams to lay down. We got no heart. You can only make so many excuses. Everybody has to come and play hard, not just one or two guys."-Matt Barnes
laugh it up
that was a good pic u better be glad i dont own the broncos i wouild spend over 300-400 million maybe a billion no joke
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24
I don't think there is that much cash in Colorado
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by StrangeBroP25 on Mar 9, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
at least all of our eggs are not in one basket!
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by Blackshirt4Broncos on Mar 10, 2010 1:18 AM PST up reply actions
I'm certainly not the AFC West correspondent, but am a Mile High Guy...
Yes, good health helps. See what happened when our RT, Ryan Harris, went down? Our lack of depth (and scheme? are we zone or power?) was exposed and it went downhill from there.
I would have to agree with you that you cannot rate the 2010 Broncos based upon the 2009 Broncos. However, in the world of free agency and salary caps (well usually at least) there is not as much consistency from year to year for any team is there?
60 percent of the locker room was new last year and I would suspect that we’ll have another 15 percent turnover this year. That means only about 17-18 of the 2008 Broncos will be on the active roster to start 2010 – and many of these 17-18 were acquired in 2007/08. Combine this kind of player turnover with new coordinators every year and it is just a bit difficult to build any chemistry or consistency. Even if we had not experienced great health to start with I think it would still be hard to compare seasons is what I’m getting at.
McX (McDaniels + Xanders) have specific traits they are looking for at each position. This comes from New England where McDaniels wrote the WR and DB portions of “the NE position manual”. It will take a while for McX to get positions filled with the players that fit the mold they are looking for. I do believe we are in this for the long haul. Bringing in veterans that are leaders who can win now (if they stay healthy) while mentoring the young guys we draft that fit McX’s mold. At least if the vets do get hurt the signings will not be a total wash if they can still manage to groom the young guys. If the vets do manage to stay healthy AND groom the young guys Denver will hopefully be competitive for many years to come.
You must be thinking that’s a pretty little fiction, but as a fan, isn’t that what hopes and dreams are made of?
One a different subject (sort of), there have been some interesting articles (link) recently on MHR that discuss the pressure on coaches to win early and win often. The article does a good job of taking a micro view of how many years a Head Coach had been with a team before he A) got to a Super Bowl and B) won a Super Bowl. In my opinion, the original goal of the article was to see how much time a new Head Coach should be given to produce a winning product on the field. Reading between the lines I think the article was hoping to calm some of the distaste for McDaniels that has already started – as in we should accept X number of losing seasons if we want to make it the Super Bowl Y times.and win it Z times.
This does tie into what I mentioned above in regards to McX bringing in the Vets to win now – so he can keep his job and bringing in young guys that fit their mold to win in the long run – so he can keep his job a long time and win Super Bowls.
Well, my apologies, that turned into a bit of a ramble so I’ll bring it to an end. First time over here and hopefully not the last….
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by Blackshirt4Broncos on Mar 10, 2010 1:57 AM PST up reply actions
I tried to read this
But Im still not quite sure what you want to say. I like MHR a lot; but this seems like a summery of what I’ve been reading their recently.
I think everyone here understands what the Broncos are trying to do; and some, including myself are a little jealous at the money they seem to be spending this off season (especially when it results in the theft of our beloved former DL). The roster turnover is something that is astounding; that much we can agree on.
What I dont read over at MHR; is how exactly are these older Dline going to help the club beat the Chargers. Because as everyone knows we tend to just throw the rock all over the field.
It was originally a response to a comment made by Wonko above...
Wonko mentioned that it will be difficult to rate the 2010 Broncos based on the 2009 Broncos. I agree with this.
Part of Wonko’s reasoning was health and yes, that contributed, but there is more to it than that. I then got on my soapbox and supported the point with my own reasoning – which mainly revolves around the turnover we’ve experienced.
From there I went on a slight tangent regarding the pressure on Head Coaches to win early because I feel it is tied into the aforementioned personnel turnover.
That’s all. I tend to get a little long winded at times… especially during the wee hours of the morning. Thanks for asking for clarification.
Now this is pretty much pure speculation on my part, but I do believe the expectations for the 30+ year olds is to hold down the fort for now and groom the young guys. The age should also be minimized as a result of the rotation we are leaning towards. The number of plays will be limited and should not resemble a full-time, every down starter’s number of plays.
The hope then is that this will give these older guys a better chance of staying healthy for the entire year. Or at least not get hurt at the same time?
Against potent passing attacks… if we can get any sort of pressure up front our secondary will be even that much better! That ’s the bottom line. We need to get pressure up front so our talented (albeit a little old) secondary can make plays!
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by Blackshirt4Broncos on Mar 10, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
By comparison
In 2006, Ted Washington was 36 and got a 2 year $7 million contract with $4 million guaranteed to play NT for the Browns.
This was the largest contract for 36+ year old non-QB.
In 2004, Ted Washington was 34 and got a 4 year $14 million contract to play NT for the Raiders.
This was the largest contract for 34+ year old non-QB.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong.
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that shows and Jwall's signing shows...
that NT is one of the hardest positions to fill. Does this solidify SD’s pick of NT in the first round?
No
Because there is probably only guy with that kind of value at that position. If he’s gone, I suspect they’ll wait until the second round.
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Merriman is not happy
Jamall Williams just signed with Denver…Dammit
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Its gotta sting a little when one of your teammates over the last six years heads to your arch rival. That being said, all the players know its a business and I’m sure they are happy and understanding of the contract JWall just signed.
At least this move shouldn’t really affect how we play against the Donks next year. Its not like we ran well against them last year.
As a Chargers Fan
I feel the same as Merriman. Loved Williams when he was here, but now (because he is a Bronco) hate him. Any team but the Broncos or Patriots. So it is about money, and being wanted, I get that. No, I don’t think he is worth the contract, but I hope the Chargers knew something to make them think he wasn’t worth the one they had. Faith in the new guys or lack of faith he’d be healthy, I hope they thought it through and didn’t underestimate his value (he’s a PB NT when healthy, for Christ sake!).
As Wonko said, “This Stings”.
I hope the tank is empty.
could be a long off-season
Can AJ come up with his best draft?
That makes one of us.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Mar 9, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
rofl
sorry, just lurking here to see what y’all think….but that was hilarious
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^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
Ouch
This move backfired for us. Wanted him cheaper and didn’t get him at all. If he has a solid year we will be kicking himself. He could be done though, depends how he recovers from injury and how his knees hold up.
I’m not sure he has knees anymore.
"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22
He just got a full season to rest his knees
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and donkeys wouldn't give this type of contract w/o
pretty thorough physical (or pending passing physical).
C'est la vie.
Good to see Jamal extend his time in the NFL a little while longer here in the twilight of his career. Shame it’s in the Broncos.
Regardless, much as with Tomlinson I look forward to the new, younger personnel that will be coming to the team in 2010.
I love my team of historically talented underachievers.
by DoubleViking on Mar 9, 2010 3:12 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
indeed
we went 13-3 without him last year, and while our run defense was bad, we didn’t lose any games because of it (says me).
I look forward to what OG and Martin can do with a year in the NFL under their belts. I look forward to what AJ is going to do knowing we don’t have Jamal (as opposed to last year when we thought we would have him but pretty much didn’t)
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 9, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Let me take this time to point out that DoubleViking has been a fantastic commenter lately….and I don’t remember him commenting much before the last week or so. I’m going to go ahead and make him the “BFTB Commenter of the Week”
"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22
by John Gennaro on Mar 9, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I only registered a couple weeks ago.
So do I get a plaque or ham or what?
I love my team of historically talented underachievers.
by DoubleViking on Mar 9, 2010 4:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Actually, you owe us $5.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
Yep. What’re you gonna do?
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Mar 10, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
I hope
he spends as much time on their IR next year as he did with us…
i can't decide which one i dislike more
Jwill in a broncos uniform, or the possibility of LT with a vikings uniform.
Gary Potter: Harness in the good energy, block out the bad. Harness. Energy. Block. Bad. It's like a carousel. You put the quarter in, you get on the horse, it goes up and down, and around. Circular, circle. Feel it. Go with the flow.
Happy Gilmore: Psycho.
Broncos uniform
At least the Vikes aren’t in our division. Plus I don’t like the broncos from their chop blocking days.
by Aussiecharger on Mar 9, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
just wait...
’til you see LDT in a Broncos uniform :p
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^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
I’d be fine with that.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
LT won't look good in blue and orange
i think style matters to him.
Gary Potter: Harness in the good energy, block out the bad. Harness. Energy. Block. Bad. It's like a carousel. You put the quarter in, you get on the horse, it goes up and down, and around. Circular, circle. Feel it. Go with the flow.
Happy Gilmore: Psycho.
Well that was quick...
Jamal never struck me as an intellectual powerhouse and wasn’t playing an overly-involved “playcalling” position; hopefully he isn’t able to take any secrets with him to Denver.
Other than not wanting your new team to win any games, good luck Jamal.
by Lenny Suckerpunch on Mar 9, 2010 3:25 PM PST reply actions
Well, he didn't get to play much under Rivera anyway
Can’t imagine he was too intimate with the details of the defense.
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by Wonko on Mar 9, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Even if he was familiar, the idea of "going to a rival and spilling secrets" is pretty overated.
With the amount of game film players/coaches study, it’s more than likely they’ll already know anything the player will tell them anyway.
I love my team of historically talented underachievers.
by DoubleViking on Mar 9, 2010 4:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sure
I’m just saying that it might be even more unlikely than normal in Jamal’s case.
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I think he has the same position coach that he had in SD for 11 years over there too.
"Watch out where the huskies go, don't you eat that yellow snow."- Zappa
yup
Wayne Nunnelly
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oh dear...
Why does it seem like we’re doing absolutely nothing to improve our team while we’re letting long-term popular players on our team just bounce.
First LT who scored 12 TDs last year, then Osgood who’s a special team king, then Cromartie for a 2001 pick which doesn’t help us in 2010 whatsoever,. and now J-Wall who even if he played 2 downs would still be our best DT.
This is how AJ Smith operates...
He prefers slightly less capable, but much cheaper/younger players. This isn’t new behavior for him…
by Orz on Mar 9, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
And he will continue to operate that way...
… until proven wrong. If the team keeps winning, then as far as he’s concerned, it ain’t broke.
by Andy (allfield) on Mar 9, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It says that the Chargers are very decisive in their evaluations
If they let you go to free agency, they obviously don’t really think you can help them anymore.
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I'm tired of seeing Charger fans complain about it being a 2011 pick.
You know eventually 2011 will get here and we’ll all be stoked to have 2 picks in the 2nd round.
I agree with this.
"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds
by Zach (maestro876) on Mar 9, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
I agree, but its just hard to be that patient in a “win now” sport like the NFL. Especially with the possibility of there not even being a 2011 season. Even if there is one, there will certainly be some attrition even from the core group of players who are returning this year.
Yeah, so...
… a pick next year is worth a bit less than a pick this year. How much? That’s what this whole deal’s about.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Mar 9, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
About one round worse.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
Oops: clarification time. What I’m saying is that the major edge of trading next year’s pick for this year’s one is the “about” part in “about one round worse.”
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Mar 10, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
hey
good move for denver we had to do this
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24
matchups
So I guess its Hardwick, Dielman, and Vazquez up against J-Wall twice next year. Hopefully they will be up to the challenge.
He already took the physical
His injury last year was upper body, not a knee. Sounds rested and good to go.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
We are well aware of his injury history, and you guys better take care of him. Loosing him is going to really hurt if I have to watch him destroy our center every play.
Make sure people call him JWill if you can. Thats what his teammates called him.
i have a lot of faith in nick
i think he can get the job done against jamal (wow that sounds weird)
maybe he wont win every battle but if there is one center in the nfl who knows how jamal plays its hardwick, he even creidts williams as to why he got so used to the pro system.
Life is like riding a bicycle, to keep your balance, you must keep moving.-Einstein
Denver's lucky to have him
We’ll take good care of him.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
i just hope he can stop OAK KC
i am not worry about u guys becuse u are better than us i want to beat kc oak beat teams denver sohulid beat
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24
Late Jwill
I still remember my first job working at Caldera Spas, when I was only 19 I think. Jwill got out of his Mercedes in the parking lot, and lumbered into the store. I was sweeping I wasnt even a salesmen at the time.
He walked right up to me and introduced himself, even after people were pointing and staring at him.
He goes “which one of dem LT got”? (pointing at all the spas). I just pointed to the newest one cause LT always had the newer model for free cause he did our commercials.
Then he said “I’ll cop one of dem”, and told me he had to leave. I found out later he bought a ton of chemicals too, and payed for a difficult rushed install.
Because he talked to me and arranged the sale, I was credited with it by my boss. Even though I was suppose to refer him to a salesmen, but because I simply just answered his question I got the sale. It was my quickest, first, and biggest commission sale I ever made at that job.
can't wait
Jamal Williams facing Nick Hardwick. :) come on guys Nick is a great center give him some credit, more like quit the whining about what you guys are used to by now which is AJ letting go of players(I’m glad he let go of Lt and JW) I wished CRO would have stayed and fixed everything but its better for CRO to move on gl for him can’t wait for next season with new runner backs and defensive players :)
How many Super Bowls
did all of these old great players we’re letting go get us to? Exactly, be excited for the young guys coming in. But I do hate the Broncos and Vikings, today kind of sucked.
I have a question though, do you think we’re going to be using a somewhat hybrid 4/3, 3/4 D like last year? Or a traditional 3/4?
well, to honest, the charger run defense has been getting pushed around the last few seasons
so maybe a change was needed. I have no doubt one of these young guys will do just as well as JDub has the last few years. Now, before one of you guys JUMP DOWN MY THROAT, you have to remember how easily teams were running on us even when williams was in there. to be honest, I think our entire d line needs to be replaced.
who is the is desperation for the borncos?
they get a experienced freak of a NT to use whatever he has left in the tank. and all that experience will hopefully rub off on his replacement. they didn’t just sign him to be a player, they got him to be a mentor. i wonder if ole’ eagle eye considered that? do you think it would have been worth it to keep him for the remaining year on his contract and let Jwall be a mentor to our young guys? before you answer, look what LT’s mentoring has done for turner and sproles.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Do I think we should have keep him one more year, yes. I know you dont want to hear this, but there’s a decent chance he actually did have a year or more to mentor his replacement. Knowing AJ I wouldnt put it passed him to figure we already have a starting quality NT on the roster. Which scrub errr project it is, I couldnt tell you.
It will sure be interesting seeing wtf becomes of the scrubs set to make the 2010 roster. There’s:
Boone: the old quiet vet from KC who is always smiling. Say whatever you want about him but he was solid in 2009. He also had 4 sacks. If each of our D linemen had 4 sacks we would be in great shape.
OG: is this guy good or have the potential to be at least decent. I have no clue, as soon as he starting looking solid he sprained his ankle. And never appeared the same, then had to go on IR.
Martin: he looked like he was on skis for the Pittsburgh game, Ive never seen anyone go backwards so fast. He was benched then saw some action late in the season, but he lacks technique and looks drunk sometimes with his hand violently waving around.
Johnson: Always injured, but usually somewhat effective.
Garay: he already 30 so he’s not much of a project, but as a former wrestler at least he uses good leverage
Bingham: remember him being solid? Cause I dont
I figure at least 1 of these guys turns out to be very good, AJ better hope its more like 3.
Castillo? Cesaire?
Lets not forget, these “scrubs” managed to go 12-4 without Jamal last year (and without Bingham, for that matter, who was slotted to replace Igor).
least we be reminded
we went 13-3 without Jwall against some teams that were . average, .500, or worse. i brought up this point last season, when it was said “we’re going to be fine, we got an easy schedule down the stretch..”. my point was if you struggle against average teams to score points, then how well are we going to do against “winning” teams, in the playoffs? Castillo? Cesaire? anybody looks good against a .500 or worse teams.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
We actually went 12-4 in games without Jwall. He played in the first game.
Lets look at what the Defense (and team) did without Jamal:
Won at NYG, a team which had started 5-0 and boasted a great run game. 20 pts allowed.
Won at Dallas, a playoff team with a strong offense. 17 pts, 7 of which were garbage.
Ditto Cincinnati and Philly, both playoff teams.
Played well enough to keep Chris Johnson, who had one of the all time great seasons, in check for the meaningful parts of the game. 17 pts allowed on the road on short rest.
Beat down the Broncos, held them to 3 points in Denver.
Held down the Dolphins and their wildcat enough to win, gave up only 6 meaningful points.
Lost to the Jets but gave up only 17 points to the best rushing O in the league. I put that loss on Kaeding and the offense way more than the defense.
Won 11 games in a row. Etc etc.
The defense wasn’t perfect. Far from it. It needs to improve in order for the Chargers to keep getting better. But they weren’t exactly lost out there without Jamal. And while they did get some easier wins, they also gutted out a lot of tough wins against good teams with formidable offenses.
by CABurrito on Mar 10, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
you mean i do want to hear it.
it took what 4, 5 srub urrr players to replace him? so i agree with you. all i’m sayin’ is, value means more than what you put on the field. Jwall just made people around him better, or at least look better. now he’ll be doin’ the same thing in denver.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Man Since Chargers are rebuilding
AFC west title might not be for the Chargers any more but I hope not
Reppin SD (Z-G)
8-8
NE- L
AZ- W
SF- W
JAX-W
Oak-W
KC-W
DEN-W
Oak-L
KC-L
DEN-L
TEN-L
HOU-L
CIN-L
IND-L
Sea-W
Stl-W
Yeah...
Because we will lose to K.C., Denver, and Oakland once to each of them. And to Tenessee, who we beat like by 300 points on short rest. And we lose to Cincinnati, too…
…. right.
13-3 seems more likely.
by TecateBoltsFan on Mar 10, 2010 2:06 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I think so too.
I’m predicting 5-1 in the division again: haven’t whiffed on that one yet. SOS matches are NE, Cincy. I like our chances. AFCS is always tough, but we get to host Jacksonville and Tennessee this time, so I think we’ll go 4-2 in the rest of the conference. I have no fear of Seattle or St. Louis. I think the 49ers will match up well against us, and the Cards are always dangerous, but it’s hard not to like San Diego for at least eleven wins.
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Mar 10, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Boo!
I can’t believe the dooms day’ers are out already. I mean come on, at least wait until the chargers lose (or fail to win by at least four touchdowns) a game or two before coming out of the woodwork and screaming about the position the team will be in when January comes rolling around (which, by the way, is ten months from now and five months from then). That way, like last year, you can avoid looking foolish. …Oh, wait….
AJ is the boss
But the moves on D are nervous-making.
Cro: OK, off-field issues, but decent corner. Does off-field problems = on-field problems? If not, still confuses me why you make the move. Our next deep on the charts are not improvements.
JWall: Either Denver is does not understand his value or we don’t. Our NT behind him look like a big drop off. Yes, tail-end of career, but his tail-end was still a lot better than many guys prime. When I argued that this made me nervous, some said 1) no one else has picked him up (no longer true); 2) we might be trying to get him back for less (no longer relevant)
AJ has put a good team on the field for awhile, so it is quite arrogant for me to say “This is a bad move!”. But it is a move that makes me nervous until I see what replaces it.
And if the move is not about quality, but about saving money in an uncapped/unfloored year, that makes me bummed.
Dang...
at least I got to see Jamal and Tomlinson play twice in Jax…too bad Tomlinson got shut down both times.
This is the one questionable move I think the Chargers have made so far. I hope they find a suitable replacement through the draft because the guys they have now, as good as they played late in the season, just seemed way too small for 3-4 nose tackles.
History of interdivision team changes
I remember Rod Bernstein (Broncos) and John Parella (Raiders). Neither of those really came back to bite the Chargers, and I would say that the Parella situation is pretty close to what to expect with Williams.
While Parella’s last couple years as a Charger were pretty damn dominant (where no one could run on the Chargers even though the D was on the field all the time ’cuz the offense was horrific), and people around the league cited him as a guy they really hated to play against because he was so strong, he went and had two forgettable seasons in Oakland.
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