Cardinals are bringing in Chargers QB Charlie Whitehurst, an RFA, today for a visit. He has his original draft tender assigned - a 3rd rdr.
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Someone check on John
and makse sure there are no sharp objects around.
by Steve (Grey Suit) on Mar 9, 2010 10:09 AM PST reply actions
He’s the heart and soul of the franchise! They’d be nuts to let him go!
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by John Gennaro on Mar 9, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Nah.
The heart and soul of the franchise is JWill. They’d be nuts to… damn.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Mar 10, 2010 5:31 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting
I can’t imagine that the Cardinals would actually want to give up a 3rd rounder, but I could see the Chargers trading him for a 4th or 5th. Depends on how desperate the Cardinals are to find someone to compete with Leinart.
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I bet the Cardinals want a viable backup behind Leinart both for off-season competition and to protect against Leinart’s inevitable mid-season meltdown. Whitehurst would be a good choice for them since he is potentially a viable starter in the league.
I was wondering if the Chargers might match any “backup QB” sized offer given to Chuck. I’m betting they wouldn’t since Volek really has at least 5 more years left in him, and there is no reason to keep a 3rd string QB around if he is never going to move up the depth chart. So I think the Bolts let him go and take the compensation. You could be right about the Bolts and Cards working out a side deal for less, but I think AJ would rather hang onto Chuck for another year rather than let him go for too much less.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 9, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
respectfully disagree.
Whitehurst would be a good choice for them since he is potentially a viable starter in the league.
he would never be a viable starter in the league (at least never on a winning team).
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However
The question is: Is he more likely to be a viable starter in 2010 than a QB drafted in the 3rd round or later in this year’s draft?
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Viable starter
No one knows at this point. He had a great college career, was a 3rd round pick, has good measurables. It’s hard to judge him based on his preseason performance. He got caught behind Rivers and Volek (arguably the most capable backup qb in the league). I think he has potential to be a starter at this point, but only time will tell
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 9, 2010 1:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know if I'd call his college career "great"
I’d call it a promising freshmen year followed by 3 years that never lived up to the first.
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you're right, great was too strong a word
but, he was a 4 year starter at a major program in a major conference. He put up good completion percentages every year and was typically 100+ QB rating. I’m sure lots of teams saw his as potentially being somewhere between a capable backup and a starter in the NFL at some point.
And as stated elsewhere, he hasn’t had to opportunity to prove to anyone that he can’t do it yet. So he’s got that going for him, which is nice.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 9, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
@mortreport That was filed to ESPN. Cardinals have 2 third-round picks if they decide to sign Whitehurst – just got an extra one in that Boldin deal. about 3 hours ago
by Natrone Bomb on Mar 9, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Sure would be nice if they could recoup that 3rd rounder they burned on him.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Mar 9, 2010 11:23 AM PST reply actions
I agree
And I think this draft has good value in the 5th round and later for a developmental QB. Whitehurst has been mostly a disaster in preseason despite all his time here. If the Cards see something, let them have at it.
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Meh this move makes some sense.
The Cards prob will not get much more immediate value at QB with their 3rd round pick (ie no one they draft at that spot would be able challenge Leinart and/or step in and lead the team if he goes down).
by Steve (Grey Suit) on Mar 9, 2010 11:38 AM PST reply actions
Expect riots on the streets.
The women of San Diego will not stand idly by and lose “handsome” Charlie Clipboard.
I love my team of historically talented underachievers.
by DoubleViking on Mar 9, 2010 11:47 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I can't imagine the Cardinals
giving the Chargers any draft pick for Whitehurst, but I hope they do. I am not sure what would make the Cards think that he can even be a backup QB.
It's desparation time
For teams who don’t have a solid starter for 2010. The draft this year doesn’t help you there and free agency only gets you guys like Charlie Batch, Dante Culpepper and Jake Delhomme.
I can squint and envision Whitehurst with some good tutelage putting up a Gradkowski-like performance. Plus, teams like his lineage and size. He’s somebody who could be somewhat coveted. 3rd round pick seems too high, but I guess if you have one to spare and it’s a late pick in that round…
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by Wonko on Mar 9, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If anything...
… he gets a couple of nice trips around the country. First class, I would imagine!
by Andy (allfield) on Mar 9, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Buffalo is lovely this time of year.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 10, 2010 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
I hope it happens
I would love it if the Chargers got a third round pick for Whitehurst. I agree that the FA market is thin at QB, but I think if you sign a guy like; Kyle Boller, Derek Anderson, Jeff Garcia, Jake Delhomme, Patrick Ramsey or even a guy like Todd Collins you are still in the same crappy boat that you would be in if you sign Whitehurst, but at least you still have your third round pick.
I think the Cards are stuck with the hope of Leinhart getting the job done, even though that might not look like much hope.
I do agree that he is capable of putting up a Gradkowski-like performance. But I wouldn’t give a draft pick for Gradkowski either.
Whitehurst is much younger than all of them
and would remain a very serviceable back up for years to come.
by Steve (Grey Suit) on Mar 9, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
With Whitehurst you have a developing QB with room to grow into his role. With all those other vets you have a guy you rent for a year and know that you are going to get mediocre results. You can at least dream on Whitehurst a little (I wouldn’t, but I could see how someone else could).
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Another thing to keep in mind
Young-ish QBs tend to cost a lot in draft picks to acquire.
Matt Schaub was effectively traded to the Texans for 2 second round picks, but was drafted in the 3rd round just like Whitehurst.
Matt Cassel cost a 2nd round pick and some salary relief.
It’s rumored that Kevin Kolb could only be had for a 2nd round pick.
Whitehurst doesn’t have starting experience, but he’s been working under one of the most respected QB developers in the league in Norv Turner. A late 3rd round pick is probably somewhere close to what his value is, considering that they would also sign him to a multiyear deal as well. You’d still have to see something in him that I don’t, but again I wouldn’t say that’s impossible.
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Actually
He is the same age as Derek Anderson and only two years younger than Kyle Boller (not that I would hang my hopes on either one of them any more than I would on Whitehurst).
Again, being a Charger fan, I would love to see the Cards do it. But if I were the Cards I would pray that Leinhart plays well (and probably be dissapointed), draft a QB somewhere in this years draft (whose future success would be easier for me to dream of then Whitehurst) and sign an older vet as Leinhart’s back up.
But
Anderson and Boller have proven their ineffectiveness as starters. Whitehurst hasn’t. Anderson and Boller also did not work under Norv Turner or have mentors like Philip Rivers and Billy Volek to follow.
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I thank the good lord for Rivers. I don’t look back fondly of those days of determining who our QB should be based on who hasn’t proven they suck yet.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 9, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
I hear you
When I started following the Chargers, Billy Joe Tolliver was the QB. Then Craig Whelihan, John Friesz. Thank goodnes Stan Humphries slipped in there for a couple of years.
Then Leaf, Moses Moreno, an old Harbaugh (he did OK). I might have missed a few. Love Rivers.
by Aussiecharger on Mar 9, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
You have Whelihan out of order
The strawberry blonde from the University of the Pacific (that’s a reference to a UT article that I recall describing him that way, so dumb) took over after Humphries got hurt.
It went Tolliver-Friesz-Humphries-Whelihan and Everett-Leaf-somebody ungodly mix of Harbaugh, Kramer, Leaf and Moreno for two years-Flutie-Brees-Flutie-Brees then Rivers.
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Holy Crap
It’s worse than I thought. I forgot about a washed up Jim Everett and Eric Kramer. I didn’t pick the best time to start supporting the Chargers.
by Aussiecharger on Mar 9, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
I only started with Tolliver because you mentioned him
The post-Foutsian late 80s QBs are much less ugly.
Rick Neuheisel, Mark Herrman, Mike Kelley, Mark Malone, Babe Laufenberg, Mark Vlasic and Jim McMahon.
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*The post-Foutsian late 80s QBs aren't much less ugly
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Memory lane
This is why I get upset when people bag on AJ after a 13-3 season. They must have short memories. We need to post this list every so often so that we are thankful for what we have now.
by Aussiecharger on Mar 9, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
They have reeeaaallly short memories
You don’t want to be watching another Craig Whelihan in 2020 and be thinking, “I wish I had enjoyed that 13-3 season more.”
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He was not post-Foutsian
But he did stand in for the Hall of Famer from time to time.
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You are referring to the time that doesn't exist.
The “interregnum” from the mid-‘80s to the mid-’00s is just a giant blur.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Mar 10, 2010 5:40 AM PST up reply actions
Except for 94 of course.
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by Richard Wade on Mar 10, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
'92 and '95 weren't so bad either.
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True.
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by Richard Wade on Mar 10, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
I am not an Anderson fan
but he did play in the Pro Bowl.
Saying that Whitehurst has not been good enough to get on the field and show us how bad he is, may be a strong statement in his favor, I guess.
The trade value of players like Schaub, Kolb or Cassel have nothing to do with the value of Whitehurst. Does that mean that any QB under 30 who has not played has Schaub value?
No
But mainly because Schaub did play. He played when Vick was hurt.
I’m saying that if you have interest in another club’s QB and you think he can be a starter, then bidding doesn’t fall far behind a 2nd round pick. So a late 3rd round pick sounds like its in the ballpark.
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My gut feeling is
that the Cards would be looking at him as a back up to Leinhart, but if they give us (the Chargers) a third rounder for him then it would appear that you are right and they think that he can be their starter.
Oh how I hate the off season, where bickering about the value of Charlie Whitehurst is the best I can come up.
Lets all agree that regardless of the reason we would love to get the Cards third for Whitehurst.
If this does happen the Cards will in effect be trading Bolden and their 5th for Whitehurst and the Ravens 4th. Ouch
Well
Boldin with 1 year left on his contract.
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Somewhere in AZ
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by AirNorval on Mar 9, 2010 12:06 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Wonder if the Cardinals would bring Warner back in TC as a “stubble consultant”. He did an excellent job tutoring Leinart.
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by John Gennaro on Mar 9, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
We already have our third stringer
Naanee played QB in college. Why not a 40 yard bomber to himself?
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by QuesaDiaz on Mar 9, 2010 12:19 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I’m drafting him on my fantasy team right now.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 9, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Great point
Steelers did this for years with Randle El and Ward.
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I guess it saves money, and a roster spot, but not a game-day suit up? (because of the 3rd string QB dealio)
by Orz on Mar 9, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
Can't catch the ball and hold a clipboard at the same time!
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Mar 10, 2010 5:42 AM PST up reply actions
I would love for the Chargers to draft a scrambling QB
but if not Naanee is an excellent choice. My only concern is, what if he ends up penciled in as the #2 WR this year (due to injury or trade)?
Yup, I'm the nut who believes Mark Loretta is a possible future Hall of Famer.
by StrangeBroP25 on Mar 9, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
Jarrett Brown, West Virgina
Ran a pretty good 40 time. The Chargers could draft him late if they lose Whitehurst.
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Why havent we moved this guy already
If we arent going to sign him longterm trade him for a 5th round pick for all I care.
I guess
The Cardinals are intrigued by Derek Anderson entering the market. This could take some time.
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I'd take Whitehurst over Anderson.
Anderson has proven he sucks. Whitehurst has proven he’s worthy of proving he sucks.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Mar 10, 2010 5:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I realize that were talking about ‘The Great Bearded One’ – but isn’t a little crazy that a story about a 3rd string QB visiting another team has gotten more attention than a story about our our former face of the franchise visiting another team?
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by Diesel85 on Mar 10, 2010 8:28 AM PST via mobile reply actions
well, we will get a 3rd round pick if Charlie Clipboard moves on. With LT all we get is angst over whether we made the right decision or not.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 10, 2010 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
He visiting the Seahawks
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Jason La Canfora
Just made it sound like Whitehurst is the primary option for Seattle and Arizona and Derek Anderson will get signed by whoever doesn’t get Charlie Clipboard. We shall see. C’mon Charlie, get us that extra 3rd rounder (Seattle’s preferably).
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