Serious Business: 3/18 Chargers Links

by Richard Wade on Mar 18, 2010 3:00 AM PDT in San Diego Chargers Daily Links

Putting Names to Numbers: Determining What Seattle Spent to Sign Charlie Whitehurst - Field Gulls
We can assign an abstract value to Seattle moving from the 40th overall pick or we can try and see exactly what players it might cost us. I would rather do the latter. Seattle is only truly set at two positions, linebacker and center, so we can be pretty sure it would have targeted the best available talent at 40. 40 is widely considered one of the most valuable picks in the draft, because it is very close in quality to latter first round picks, but cheaper. 61 is similarly cheap, but gives a team less flexibility when it comes to matching scheme and matching need.

Seahawks Trade For Charlie Whitehurst, Sign Extension
As Gregg Rosenthal notes, "Give Carroll and G.M. John Schneider credit for targeting their guy and having the confidence to go get him. They just better be right."

Chargers now have drafting power - Bill Williamson
I know some San Diego fans haven’t been thrilled with the team’s lack of activity this offseason. But this was a huge move. Getting this type of value for guy who doesn’t play is simply stunning.

Chargers, Scott agree on one-year deal
The Chargers have agreed with veteran defensive lineman Ian Scott on a one-year contract.

Chargers Trade Charlie Whitehurst And Move Up In The Draft
When you add this all up, it appears the Chargers are walking away with a kings ransom, while Seattle hopes Whitehurst can develop into their starter of the future.

Marty Schottenheimer: LT Can Still Do It
Now three years removed from an NFL sideline, Marty Schottenheimer still has his eyes on the game.

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Now that the Chargers

Have re-signed Scott, Boone and Travis Johnson to go along with Cesaire, Castillo, Bingham and Nwagbuo I’m really starting to wonder if they will draft any defensive lineman.

I’m not saying that I don’t think they should (I’ve been saying they should draft a NT for like 6 years), but that I wonder if you can read into all this and see that A.J. is happy with just all these guys returning.

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by Wonko on Mar 18, 2010 10:27 AM PDT reply actions

Do you really foresee

Bingham making the team? I’m guessing they draft a DT and that Cesaire and Bingham are on the bubble to make the final 53. It’s hard to say though because we don’t really have an idea how much the team expects Martin to contribute next year.

by Natrone Bomb on Mar 18, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions

With moving up in the second round

I see them taking a NT 1st round and RB 2nd round if there is still good value there at 28

by sdbolts on Mar 18, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions

Well, Bingham and Nwagbuo are coming off pretty serious injury. Cesaire was injured all season and didn’t play that well.

I’m not saying I didn’t say “hmmmmm….” when I first read your comment, but I don’t think AJ is against getting a great NT and telling the other guys “fight for the remaining spots”. It’s an interesting thought though.

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by John Gennaro on Mar 18, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions

Competition is never a bad thing

Especially with getting a stud NT. They are so hard to find and hard to keep. My hope is that OG, Martin and the Rookie that we will draft (because I believe we will be taking a NT with either of the first 2 picks) will anchor the line for the next few years. Cesaire and Bingham wont be around much longer so we need a lot of fresh bodies in the trenches. Castillo has been ok in his tenure here. I have never been overly impressed by him, but he has apparently done well enough to get that big contract. But, having new guys in camp and making everyone compete has no downside.

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by Diesel85 on Mar 18, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions

Martin is the key to a lot of things on the defensive line.

by John Gennaro on Mar 18, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

I agree

His strong work ethic and his smarts coupled with a solid training camp, will greatly improve his ability to solidify the d-line

by Herbs.n.Sm!les on Mar 18, 2010 2:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

Nwagbuo’s injury wasn’t that serious, they just couldn’t afford to carry him the rest of the way and ankle injuries can easily have setbacks.

I probably confused things by mixing all the linemen together since Castillo, Cesaire, Boone, Johnson and Martin are not in the running for the NT position. It really is the fact that we have Nwagbuo as a NT and then Scott and Bingham who can play NT or DE. It still ends up being a lot of guys who all have contracts with the team.

I admit, the team seems most committed to Boone, Castillo, Johnson and Martin. Nwagbuo is dirt cheap so we have to figure they’ll keep him around for as long as they need him (what I’m trying to say is they won’t cut him for monetary reasons). Bingham and Cesaire are obviously bubble guys, however, I would think that if they were going to cut Cesaire, they’d just do it. They know what they have in him and some offseason workouts and preseason is not going to change that. With Bingham, they must not be considering him for DE because they have so many guys there already. So, he’s fighting for an NT job, but no one knows how ready he’ll be. Scott is a wild card. It’s only a 1 year deal, but it came on the same day as they pull off the Whitehurst deal. So, I guess it could be that he’s in the same boat as last year and the contract will just get torn up if he can’t play.

It’s just a lot of moving parts to manage. Maybe this is just me thinking about a capped scenario. Normally you wouldn’t want to have that much salary uncertainty from the position because you won’t know how much cap room to devote to the position, so you’d probably just cut the more expensive guys you aren’t sure about. But, in this uncapped scenario you can have all these relatively more expensive vets around and have them battle for jobs.

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by Wonko on Mar 18, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions

Dont forget Garay

lol

by Foilhat on Mar 19, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions

I like Garay because he’s on the kick coverage team.

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by Richard Wade on Mar 19, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions

Bingham and Cesaire are obviously bubble guys, however, I would think that if they were going to cut Cesaire, they’d just do it. They know what they have in him and some offseason workouts and preseason is not going to change that.

You keep them through training camp because they are cheap veteran depth. Why cut them now and run the risk of Scott or OG getting IR’ed in training camp and not having and adequate backup? You keep them around and if you draft a DT and everyone else is healthy after TC they get cut. If the draft doesn’t go the way you anticipate and you can’t upgrade at DT you already have sufficient depth on the roster. So I agree with you that they might not add another D Line player but I gotta believe they’ll upgrade if the opportunity is there.

by Natrone Bomb on Mar 18, 2010 2:00 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

Damn

was supposed to be a reply to wonko and the bold text is supposed to be Blockqoute. Double fail, and I haven’t even started drinking for my birthday yet.

by Natrone Bomb on Mar 18, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions

Like I said at the end

I guess in the uncapped world you can keep them. I think in the capped world you’d have to cut them because you’d prefer to spend your money elsewhere if you think there is a strong chance they won’t make it.

And, yes, I realize that they don’t get paid until the season starts, but there is a certain amount of budgeting you have to do beforehand.

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by Wonko on Mar 18, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions

The Whitehurst trade effects...

What do you think the Bolts will do now that the have moved up in the 2nd round with the Whitehurst trade? I hope they get Cody with the 28th and Matthews with the 40th. It appears to me that of the eleven picks that happen in between 28 and 40, have 8 teams that really do not need a RB here. Of the other three will they draft one this early or go after more pressing needs?

I want to hear your thoughts.

by Tommy Lus on Mar 18, 2010 4:05 PM PDT reply actions

You've pretty much got it spot on

The other options would be Cam Thomas as the NT picked and Jahvid Best as the RB picked.

There is also the possibility that the Chargers will use those two picks to move up to either select RB C.J. Spiller or DT Dan Williams. Those two picks are enough ammunition to move up as high as the 13th pick, but obviously it would mean that the Chargers would no longer have a second round pick in 2010.

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by Wonko on Mar 18, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions

Or

AJ could go CB first round with Kyle Wilson/Patrick Robinson. Take Best/Matthews 2nd. And best NT available at 3rd: Cam Thomas, Torrell Troup, Linval Joseph, Mt Cody. That’s what I would expect from AJ.

by Bluelightning on Mar 18, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions

Not really a good idea

Based off of the mocks I’ve done, gambling on Thomas or Cody being there at the end of the 3rd is pretty dicey. Troup and/or Josephy probably won’t be able to contribute much at NT in the first year or so.

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by Wonko on Mar 19, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions

Agreed

But again, it’s what I would expect from AJ Smith. My opinion is he values DB over linemen. The DT by committee approach worked decently and I think AJ believes it can buy us some time until someone steps up and takes the position. I personally believe AJ should expend resources to find us a stud DT but I just don’t expect him to do so.

by Bluelightning on Mar 20, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions