This just in-Chargers receive Seahawks' 2011 3rd rd. pick and swap 2nd rd. picks in 2010 Draft
by mikethemover on Mar 17, 2010 3:14 PM PDT
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Thus, SD moves up from #60 overall to #40 overall. This is sure to pay large dividends if we try to go after Cam Thomas or Jahvid Best early in the 2nd round. Here's the official quote from a Seahawks blog (http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/archives/198475.asp):
Wow. All I can say is Pete Carroll and the new Seahawks regime must really like Charlie Whitehurst's potential, as Seattle is surrendering a third-round 2011 draft pick plus swapping its upcoming second-round pick with San Diego to acquire the third-string quarterback.
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This means...
We could go after Mathews or best in the first and not feel bad about getting Cody because we’ll grab him in the 2nd. Or grab a good corner in the second. Or a corner in the first and a rb in the 2nd, or… O.K IM CONFUSING MYSELF! All I Know is this is awesome news for the bolts. I never would have thought we would get all that for Charlie Clipboard! love it
either or
if you look at it from a $$$ perspective I say take Cody (IF HE IS THE REAL DEAL) in the 1st. Signing a late 1st round NT is probably a lot cheaper than a 1st round RB. The question is whether SD feels if the back that they want will be there when the pick in the 2nd. I wouldn’t put Best at that pick though – I like him but we have that player already in Sproles.
After our pick at 28 the 1st round ends with Jets, Vikings, Colts, Sants. Then the 2nd starts off with Rams (S. Jackson), Lions (Possible but have other needs too), Buccaneers (Possible but have other needs too), Skins (not likely with signing of Larry Johnson), and Chiefs (Thomas and Charles – no need). So if our guy (RB) makes it down to us in the 1st round with our #28 pick there is still a pretty good chance that he will be there with our 2nd round pick. The question becomes whether that DT (cody) will make through these teams?
Nice trade for you guys. Seahawks fans are not so happy.
As mentioned above, this will change my mock draft as I did have the Chargers reaching for Cody in the first. Now they can probably get him in the second or grab Cam Thomas if Cody is already gone or they suddenly realize that Cody is not worth it.
Sshh, just walk away quietly.
Before Seattle changes its mind. Um, could we just get a pound of Starbucks thrown in? No, never mind. It’s okay. Forget it. This is fine.
by Andy (allfield) on Mar 17, 2010 3:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
the seattle blog blew up over this. Alot of chicken little stuff. Still, good trade for the chargers
by not humble enough on Mar 17, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually...
Yeah, we’re gonna need that pound starbucks too… Thanks Seattle.
by Its Mikey!! on Mar 17, 2010 10:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This is a steal!
I love this move, and it opens up so many possibilities for those first 2 picks. Great job AJ!
Do or do not. There is no try.
sweetness. I hope AJ gets Joe Webb for 3rd string QB. Went to a shitty school, needs a couple years to learn to be an NFL QB. But when I saw him in person I was impressed at how he handled himself, his throws and his runs.
by not humble enough on Mar 17, 2010 4:44 PM PDT reply actions
Wow, the field gulls thread on the trade is pretty amusing… you can see the twelve steps playing out, denial, rage, acceptance, etc… They are already starting with the hair jokes, but where we have a clipboard, they are trying to convince themselves he’s going to be their starter for the next 4 years.
AJ is definitely stacking his chips to make sure we rule the AFC West for the long haul
We now have two extra picks in the first three rounds for the 2011 draft courtesy of Cromartie and Whitehurst. AJ’s philosophy is to build his team through the draft and this is truer now more than ever because we have so many restricted FA’s that could potentially be gone. This is compounded by the fact that realistically we are a small market team, like the Padres, and the only way to survive and compete is through shrewd business decisions. This is done by making trades like this and drafting players that perform at a veteran level for almost half the cost. This trade will also give AJ more room for error in next year’s draft if he wants to take some risks.
great Job AJ
uh uh, thank you Charlie! clipboard could’ve signed with Arizona, which would have reshaped what we would get in return. so lets’ spread the credit around where’s it due.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
To be fair
I would give Whitehurst some credit for at least staying on the team so this trade would be possible. However, you have to give the bulk of the credit to AJ for drafting him. Remember, Whitehurst hasn’t even thrown a pass in an NFL regular season game and has average to below average preseason numbers. Carroll and the Seattle FO looked at a lot of Charlie’s tape from Clemson to determine if he would be a fit. They obviously saw what AJ saw in him and decided to make a serious investment in him. Kudos to AJ but I agree that Whitehurst deserves some cred too.
by mikethemover on Mar 17, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Whitehurst Im sure took the best deal
For for him meant the most money, luckily for AJ Seattle has the richest owner in football by far.
Hasselbeck is a good QB, but
there is a good chance that Whitehurst gets a crack at the starting job sometime during the season. If he performs, then he could parlay that into multi-year starter money within a couple years. I have to think this was a major consideration too. Leinart is not a stiff, but he is a young former high 1st round choice, so the Cardinals won’t give up on him too soon.
Also
I don’t think Charlie gave a crap about what kind of compensation the Bolts would be getting when it came to his decision.
by mikethemover on Mar 17, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
This...
I’m no Aj lover, but i’m willing to concede he knows his job. based on the fact that i am here, and Aj is there. however my point was the “marvelous trade” Aj masterminded, all depended on Whitehurst. but, if Aj is the smart man you give him credit for, he probably had a plan no matter what Charlie chose.
sa’ll i’m sayin’
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Yea Charlie was all about getting paid
But Im sure AJ pushed him in the right direction by basically showing Charlie that the Hawks would pay more. They do have the richest owner in football by far I believe. Plus AJ needed to Cardinals to parlay their offer into something bigger.
More likely
His agent told him which would pay more.
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You have to imagine the team willing to pay Clipboard the most money was also willing to give up the most to acquire him.
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by Richard Wade on Mar 19, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone ever take a fruit roll up from the grocery store when you were 10
Talk about deja vu.
by Foilhat on Mar 17, 2010 5:22 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm glad how this has worked out.
We should have quite a few decent picks next season.
This off-season officially sucks for SEVEN(!!!!!!!) reasons and counting...
Massive Win-Win.
Yeah, we made out really well: we ditched a career benchwarmer for a net 2nd-rounder. But so did they. The Seahawks don’t actually lose the pick until next year, but they take most of the value of the hit this year, when they have their extra first-round draft pick. What rookie has studied under Norv Freakin’ Turner, behind Philip Freakin’ Rivers, warmed up in the AFC Championship, watching the starter hobble onto the field without knowing if he’ll hold the clipboard or the football? Whatever QB was available at #40, how many preseasons has he played?
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Mar 17, 2010 5:44 PM PDT reply actions
Not me. Whitehurst was worth a whole pick.
But this feels about right.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Mar 17, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
It's been a while since AJ's made a trade that we fans are so unanimously excited about
I think a lot of us were starting to doubt him when we gave up a lot to move up and pick Weddle and Hester. It’s nice to be the team accumulating future picks again. Stockpiling these mid-level picks gives us quite a bit of flexibility in next year’s draft.
Weddle was worth it.
Hester’s a good player, but not worth what they paid. Weddle was a good deal.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Mar 17, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Weddle was like going into a store seeing something you like and buying. I wasn’t on sale, but you didn’t feel ripped off. This is like driving an old car down the street that you haven’t taken out the garage for a while and someone asks you if they can trade you for a brand new car and a Rolex.
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Sometimes you gotta pay for what you really want.
Pete Carrol has a mancrush on Whitehurst. He got his boy.
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
Hester is turning into a special special teams player....
But I guess it remains to be seen if he was worth the draft upgrade. Just good to know we still have a good player on special teams now that Osgood is gone….
by TecateBoltsFan on Mar 18, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't forget about Tolbert
or Spillman on punt coverage.
Exactly.
Hester’s a good player, but not worth what they paid.
Hester is turning into a special special teams player.
These two statements are not in any way exclusive.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Mar 19, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fans here are excited about it
But over on the UT there are some fans who are still managing to complain. I’m not sure what they’re complaining about though. In fact I think they don’t even know themselves.
I for one think Seattle was fleeced. More like a hit and run than a trade.
by Aussiecharger on Mar 17, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
The fact that AJ had two teams
in the mix helped bump up the value. I’m sure the price was more than the Seahawks originally wanted to pay.
I like Hester too... but
that fullback position belongs to Tony Tolbert. If you are ever going to have a running game that resembles anything of what we used to have years back then you need a FB that has the strength, size and mentality to crush the defender that is trying to fill the hole. Hester is not in that mold in my opinion. He’s a good player but he will never make our primary RB better and although he’s a decent receiver out of the backfield I’d rather see those dumpoffs going to Sproles. Man it would be great to get Javid Best in the 7th round (yeah I’m dreaming) because he is the same back as Darren Sproles who I think might not be with us too many more years.
Tony Tolbert?
The Chargers have a middle aged defensive end playing fullback?
I think you mean Mike Tolbert.
You are right.
I stand corrected… thank you
I think I know
Who will get drafted in my fantasy football league… Haha. I hope he does well enough to make Seattle look like they got a good trade.
by Its Mikey!! on Mar 17, 2010 11:00 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Now that we got it, let's do something with it!
Over the last decade or so the Chargers has been one of the best organizations to evaluate talent, especially the “unknown” talents out there. This draft in particular is going to have an effect on our team over the course of the next 5 years. We have to make this one count.
1st Round Pick – If Cody is the real deal then I say you have to go with the him at DT. The NT position is key to everything in a 3-4 defense. With more and more teams going to a 3-4 the availability of TRUE NT performers will gradually become less and less; they are a rare breed and invaluable when you don’t have them – see JWALL. BUT if Cody isn’t the answer and you can’t get one from free-agency (say like from Cleveland, Shawn Rogers) don’t spend this pick on the DT just because there is a need. The 1st round pick HAS TO BE money!
2nd Round Pick – RB. Look we have 1 proven 3rd down back and 1 unproven (FA: Mason from Redskins). You have to get a guy that can carry the rock. We can’t get over the top because we can’t close out games due to having a sub-par rushing attack – some this can be blamed on offensive mentallity and the offensive line . This draft is full of late 1st rounders who are probably really only 2nd rounders – 5th rounders. But when they start coming off the board they are going to go fast. Use this early 2nd pick to get the guy we need. Ryan Matthews is the consesus pick because he appears to be the most suited as a every down back who can run inside and out; I also like the kid from Oregon… Blount(?). He reminds me of one of my all time favorites – NATRONE MEANS BUSINESS
3rd Round – DB! There is no 2 ways around it. Outside of Jammer and a up-and-coming Weddle (and he still isn’t the greatest cover guy) we have no one. Our DB’s play follow the leader with WRs and then tackle them after they catch the ball. Can we get some DBs who believe in mentallity that “when the ball is in the air, it belongs to me” or at least “my job is NOT to let them catch the ball”.
4th – 7th – Offensive line. We are hurting here folks and it started to show 2 years ago. LT might not have been the back that he once was but he isn’t that bad off yet. Watch next season when he has the same production in NY as he did in SD only this time it as a backup.
I agree
execpt that i more likely see them going for an OL in the 3rd and then corner and safety in 4-5th.
Matthews seem to be a good fit, although J. Best´s speed would be a great asset in the backfield.
I still think we go CB in the 1st
and since we’ve moved up in the second, NTs like Cody or Thomas or Troup will probably be available. And for the record, I’m always wrong about draft picks.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 18, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I woudl be so mad if they drafted another defensive back in the first round.
If there’s a quality running back or defensive tackle at #28, they have to choose him.
If we see a safety or corner at #28 I will have to be restrained from shooting myself.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Mar 18, 2010 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Safety?
Right now we have 5 safeties on the roster. That’s pretty much 1 too many and there’s a thought out there that we may draft another? That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
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I believe AJ said in a radio interview
That they were not set with Ellison as a starter and they think they could possibly upgrade, but then again who knows what’s true and what’s a smoke screen with AJ.
by Steve (Grey Suit) on Mar 18, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
The key work is could there. Because he also said that he would look for value at that position. I’m not sure the Chargers are going to see value at that position where they draft.
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I would love to a Safety drafted
We may have 5 on the roster, but I don’t believe that any of them are top tier. Weddle is a legit pro, Ellison may turn out o.k. and the rest are crap. An all around every down Safety would be a great addition.
Still Love CJ
But he is a project and makes mistakes, but I largely agree. Ellison looked great against the run, not so much in coverage.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Mar 19, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
It just seems to me
That Oliver, Ellison and Spillman (and are cheap) have so much talent that it’d be somewhat of a waste to just give up and exhaust a pick to replace them. I mean, I guess if someone is there and A.J. thinks that he’ll upgrade the team more than any other available player and the guy happens to be a safety, then he should pull the trigger. Its just hard for me to see where that would be the case, considering where our picks are in the draft.
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by Wonko on Mar 19, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't look at the Safety position as a terrible weakness,
I just think that it is one of the positions that they should be looking at, by no means do I think that they should take a Safety just to take a Safety.
Good points
It would have to be third or lower; and even that would require ignoring other positions.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Mar 19, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
With Osgood gone
I see CJ as one of the guys with a chance to fill his role on special teams. If he moves into Osgood’s role, then at least he will be active week to week and who knows maybe he gets to play a little. You never know.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Mar 19, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Pravda!
Reminds me of waiting for the end of day school bell…
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Mar 19, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
a 3 down SS to play next to Weddle
would be a solid addition to our defense. The fewer non-DL personnel changes between 2nd and 3rd down the better (IMO).
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 18, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking a solid FS to play next to Weddle
Just because he seems more comfortable closer to the line of scrimmage at least on base downs, and in nickel and dime you pretty much need at least one cover safety.
I agree with your rational though completely; just disagree on the way the new safety would be used. I guess that insignificant though considering both situations would be significant instant upgrades.
Stay tuned
Because they won’t draft a safety high at all.
And my argument is just as arbitrary as yours. Huzzah!
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I said they will draft a safety
And it could be high. (may or might)
If you wish to refute that or disagree please do.
They may draft a safety
But it will be on day 3. A round 4 gamble on a DB isn’t out of the question.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Mar 18, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I was just trying to show
That declarations like that are just fluff and don’t mean anything.
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3rd Round
I think there might be value at the TE position at that spot. Either in the 3rd or 4th if Anthony McCoy is there I think the Chargers should take him.
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1 Yr left contracts
I think A Gates, V Jackson and M Floyd all have 1 year remaining on their contracts… so a TE is worthy of consideration but only if they have no desire or chance to Gates. I think after another year of showing off his skills that M Floyd will prove that he is NOT a number 1 but teams will be interested in him. V Jack is going to also get a lot of looks from teams….. maybe like from the Pats to understudy and eventually supplant R. Moss.
But here’s the thing. We are set to win NOW. I think we need to find those pieces that help in week one. I don’t know if a TE does that for us.
Gates has said he'd take a hometown discount.
He’s in line after McNeill.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Mar 18, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I sort of disagree
If we are able to get a bargain at the Tight End position in the draft then it could behoove the Chargers to get one not only in case of a Gates departure, but also a Gates injury and a way to challenge the defense with two talented tight ends (both from a blocking and receiving standpoint). A number of teams are now employing two very talented TEs. One example is the Cowboys with Jason Witten and Martellus Bennett.
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Name me one TE
that led their team to the superbowl. There isn’t any, even though we had one of the greatest of all time – he didn’t win us the superbowl – and that’s 1 TE outta how many that has played in the league? Yes the TE is a valuable position but it doesnt necessarily make or break you. The Cowboys success wasn’t because of the 2 TE’s it was because they finally found another receiver that allowed them to spread the field. Jason Witten is a monster but he was held in check by defenses all last year until the Cowboys receivers were able to open things up for him.
Chargers depth at TE is thin
They will either draft a TE, or sign one in free agency. Don’t fool yourself into thinking they will carry only 2 TE.
Yeah TEs are overrated at least the classical ones
It still doesnt mean we wont draft one, especially considering they’re usually the right size to be used in a variety of STs roles.
Shannon Sharpe was pretty important to the Ravens offense
I wouldn’t say he led the team, but he certainly led the offense.
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by Wonko on Mar 19, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
good luck charlie
I hope he does well for seattle so that they don’t end up feelin ripped off. I hope it works out well for everyone involved.
I can see us drafting Myron Rolle in Rd 3-4
He could bring some much needed character and maturity that we need on the defensive side of the ball. We have depth at the Safety position but I only think that Weddle’s job is safe.
Pissed the Aztecs aren’t on CBS right now but this Marquette v. Wash game has been so good I understand why.
The problem with Rolle is
that he may choose to be a Dr instead of a football player if things don’t go well in the draft or in his first few years.
by Steve (Grey Suit) on Mar 18, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
It's amazing to think that having a good character is a bad thing in the NFL
Just the notion that Rolle is intelligent and has opportunities away from football is scary to so many in NFL circles. It really says a lot about the league in general. Chargers fans are always saying AJ looks for character guys and this couldn’t be a better example.
But back to my point about character as a a draft issue. The thought of not drafting him because he “COULD” leave the game after a short period of time makes me think that teams would prefer to have a desperate man than one with skills outside of football. I think that this might be a leading reason why so many men, once outside of the game, wind up in legal trouble. For that matter, even before they are done, many players wind up in trouble. Just think of the number of guys supended for weapons violations and fights at nightclubs.
This topic also relates to Ty Warren of the Patriots, who is skipping workouts (and meanwhile losing $250k) to finish his degree. Arguing that Rolle shouldn’t be drafted because he is smart is like saying the Warren should be penalized for trying to be a role model. It is absolutely insane.
I would argue, in fact, that a desperate man, one that only has football to rely on, is more of a liability than one with options because soon as football is no longer an option the desperate man will take exceptional risks. If Rolle is around in the 4-5th round, AJ will definitely take a look his way.
by riversformvp on Mar 19, 2010 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions
It doesn't have anything to do with good character being a bad thing.
It has everything to do with, “Do we want to invest time and money into a player who may decide to quite in a year or two and do something else?”
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by Zach (maestro876) on Mar 19, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Do we want to invest time and money into a player who may never adapt to the pro game? Do we want to invest time and money into a player who might get himself shot, or get distracted with all his different baby-mamas, or break his neck on opening night? Do we have any control over all that stuff?
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Mar 19, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
All those things are stuff that GMs have to take into consideration.
My point was simply that it’s a legitimate concern, not “AJ’s talk about character is crap”.
All those things you mention are legitimate concerns that GMs have to consider, as well as the fact that a draftee may up and decide to leave football.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Mar 19, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
It goes for any draftee
You also can’t forget that AJ has a history of drafting players with SERIOUS injury histories. Byrd for example, was drafted pretty much while sitting in a hospital. I think putting money into that project is far more risky than a dude with a good education.
by riversformvp on Mar 19, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Byrd was a 7th rounder
And if you looked at our roster crunch and future need at WR, it made sense to draft a WR prospect that was elite before injury and you knew could go on IR instead of using a 2009 roster spot.
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3rd thru 7th Rd draft picks are gambles anyways
Which is where Rolle is most likely to be drafted. It looks like the consensus is that drafting him would be a gamble because of his academic aspirations. I would agree. AJ will consider picking him up, especially if he falls to the 4th or 5th. We picked Vaughn Martin, a Canadian football player who played 9-man (not sure on the exact number) football his entire life in the 4th round. Rolle is definitely not outside the realm of possibility.
by mikethemover on Mar 19, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
4th or 5th
starts making more sense than 3rd-4th.
The 3rd round is still a round where you can find starters and key special teamers. The 4th round is where you start getting your “too” guys. (Too small, too slow, too many drops, too few moves, too old, too raw, too injury-prone, too likely to quit the NFL and become a brain surgeon, etc.,)
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I think it depends on the depth and quality of talent in a given draft year
But I think you’re right in this year’s case. In the 3rd round there will definitely be more players that you can plug in and start. Other years there can be a huge drop off in talent between the 2nd and 3rd rounds, like next year is supposed to be.
by mikethemover on Mar 19, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
My comments are true every year. This draft isn’t much deeper than your typical draft. Next year will be fine. From a skill position stand point I think it will surpass this year’s.
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The majority of people familiar with the draft agree that it's deep
And the talent pool does vary from year to year. It’s a proven fact if you look at past drafts. There has to be some measure of the amount of veterans/pro bowlers that come out of the draft year to year. "Mocking the draft’ probably has some record of it.
by mikethemover on Mar 19, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven't heard that
It’s definitely deep at some different positions, but I don’t see much difference between the depth this year and last year just based off of player grades. And next year looks to be the same amount of depth. There definitely won’t be the depth on defense next year that there is this year, but it will be made up for on offense.
I get the feeling whoever told you otherwise was talking out their ass.
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I guess all NFL scouts and NFL draft experts must have talking ass-faces
because the majority of them agree…the 2010 draft class is DEEP
“Most NFL personnel people agree that the overall 2010 draft class is one of the deepest in recent years. The offensive skill positions are not particularly strong but this is a great year for teams to have multiple picks in any or all of the first three rounds.”-Todd McShay
by mikethemover on Mar 21, 2010 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions
"one of the deepest"
This just sounds like hype. What does recent years mean, two, three, four? So it’s one of the deepest in the last four years. What? The second deepest? If you break apart what he’s saying you can kind of seeing that he’s talking out his ass. Last year was a great year for teams to have multiple picks in any or all of the first three rounds. And the year before that. And the year before that….
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Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
Shouldn't there be hype if it's a deeply talented draft class?
Regardless of this draft’s degree of “deepness” and whether it’s compared to drafts within the last 5 years or 20 years, the fact still remains that there will be far more talented players available later in the draft than usual.
The argument about it being a great year to have multiple picks in the first three rounds is irrelevant to this discussion and I should have cut it out. It can never be bad to have multiple picks in the first three rounds.
by mikethemover on Mar 21, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
This whole discussion
Makes me need a deep draught of beer.
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Mar 21, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm over it
I’ll go so far as to say its deep-ish, but to sit here one year away from the 2011 draft and say that its deeper is not really something I would want to commit to.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
OK
Over it too. I always enjoy a well reasoned sports debate. Quality stuff.
by mikethemover on Mar 21, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess all NFL scouts and NFL draft experts must have talking ass-faces
That’s actually a very accurate statement.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Mar 21, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wasn't it 12 men?
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Mar 19, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
101% with you
"I sawed a woman in the park today"
Not bad grammar. Just recollections of a deranged killer.
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