Vincent Jackson will get jail time for DUI guilty plea
Because it's not his first DUI, Jackson will be required to spend four days in jail. He also will be on probation for five years.
But that's only the beginning. Jackson will undoubtedly face potentially serious penalties from the league office. NFL spokesman Greg Aiello tells us that, indeed, DUI charges fall the substance abuse policy.
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This is going to be the best offseason ever!!!
We’re off to such a great start…
Well....
It’s not as if anything unexpected or unlucky has happened. These are things that were being predicted half-way through the season.
"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22
by John Gennaro on Feb 23, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
After quickly looking into it
Jared Allen, I think, was the last player with similar circumstances. He was given a 4 game suspension, but it was reduced to 2 games.
In order for Jackson to get something similar he’ll probably have to enter some sort of alcohol abuse treatment program otherwise I think the standard 4 game suspension for substances of abuse will stand.
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No jailtime peeps
Work release program
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Feb 23, 2010 11:03 AM PST reply actions
Yup
Chargers Pro Bowl receiver Vincent Jackson will receive four days in a work-release program, possibly roadside trash pickup, plus a likely NFL suspension this fall, after pleading guilty to his second drunken driving offense since 2006.
"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22
by John Gennaro on Feb 23, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
The lesson here...
Drink and drive all you want, kids! And when driving with an expired registration and suspended license, be sure to blast your music real loud. The worst that will happen is 4 days of roadside trash pickup!
"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22
by John Gennaro on Feb 23, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Remember
There were some mistakes made by the officers when they picked him up for the second DUI. Since he’s pleading guilty I’m assuming there’s a plea bargain involved because of that.
I’m not sure the expired registration and suspended license incident would effect that plea bargain. I could be wrong though.
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John is going to be so pissed.
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it kind of reminds me of that movie "You've got mail"...I'm Tom Hanks he's Meg Ryan -- Padres prospect Matt Antonelli on sdsuaztec4
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Feb 23, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
A cooler head now leads me to believe that Vjs Charger career after this ruling, which was just as assured as yesterdays news, should represent his “second chance”. And last. But he’s too good and too irreplaceable and not enough of a hot-head diva to give up on at his age. If the treatment can just somehow eliminate the VJ+alcohol+car+cops=legal problems immediately before games=kicked flags and throat slashing at absolutely critical times in gigantic playoff games than I think we’d all find that to be an agreeable situation. While his repentant ass is sitting on the bench for four games I think it would be nice to experiment with one of these en-vogue un-coverable tiny slot dynamos, who at this time is unfortunately not on the roster, since the one throw Rivers can’t really make is the screen pass. The emergence of that element would make the passing game that much more unstoppable by the time he comes back. I hope now that the Chargers dogged and frustrating, but sort of understandable, commitment to a predictable and ineffective rushing attack is behind them they now can run the type of offense best suited to their personnel. Until then I think criticism of Norv Turner is fair, especially considering his other strikes against him.
by Rocket Surgery on Feb 23, 2010 11:36 AM PST reply actions
Why do you think that Rivers can't throw a screen pass
I could have sworn that the numbers bear out that the Chargers are one of the best screen teams in the league.
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Screen passes
Chargers had a success rate of 53% on screen passes. That’s the 5th highest success rate in the league.
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Oh, I know they had success with screen passes, some of their biggest plays have been screen passes over the last couple of years, that’s not what I am saying. I’m saying Rivers doesn’t throw a good screen ball all that well compared to the other balls that he does throw very well. And I think he would probably admit that. I think relying on the quick slant strike for your must-have short yardage plays and then hitting homeruns with your screens at opportune times plays into Rivers’ strength a bit more.
by Rocket Surgery on Feb 23, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
So...
He’s good at screens, but not good at throwing screens. Okay, bud.
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There’s two components to a screen pass, bud. I’m just saying that Rivers has some problems with touch passes at times and he has been the beneficiary of having some very talented pass catchers out of the backfield. I just don’t think it’s what he does best and it gets relied on a bit much at times. I’m not proposing they rip that page out of the playbook. Sorry, guy. I meant no offense to your relationship with Philip Rivers. Boy, you guys are a touchy lot.
by Rocket Surgery on Feb 23, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
I wasn't being touchy
I was summarizing what you are saying.
Personally, I think this was an issue for Rivers. But, in 2008 he improved a little and in 2009 he improved a lot. The change in success on screen plays backs that up.
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The point you were summarizing wasn’t mine and you were being condescending. The Chargers, as a team, have success with the screen pass, as your numbers show, but to consider that a certain degree of that success can be attributed to the execution of the other ten players and the timing of the call is not unreasonable. Rivers throws the screen pass too high, too low or too behind the receiver considerably more than any other throw he makes was all that I was saying and I am aware that it wouldn’t be easy hitting a 5’6" guy who moves the way Sproles does. Small chink in an otherwise sterling suit of armor.
by Rocket Surgery on Feb 23, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
That point wasn't yours?
If that’s the case then you are taking the illogical stance that Rivers wasn’t one of the most successful at screen passes when the numbers bear out that he was.
Or that he’s actually good at throwing screen passes, which doesn’t make sense because I swore that he isn’t good at it.
Which part did I get wrong?
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*Or that he’s actually good at throwing screen passes, which doesn’t make sense because I swore that you said he isn’t good at it.
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My point was not, “he’s good at screens, but not good at throwing screens”. Here’s my point again, there’s a distinction, and I don’t see how it is illogical:
The Chargers, as a team, have success with the screen pass, as your numbers show, but to consider that a certain degree of that success can be attributed to the execution of the other ten players and the timing of the call is not unreasonable. Rivers throws the screen pass too high, too low or too behind the receiver considerably more than any other throw he makes.
by Rocket Surgery on Feb 23, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
There is not a big distinction between what I summarized you saying and what your explanation of what you said
Yours just describes in detail how he’s been good at screen passes.
However, I still disagree with the premise that he is still struggling to throw the screen passes. It’s an old problem that doesn’t occur as much anymore. At least, not with any more frequency that his difficulties with the deep ball where he throws receivers covered (as opposed to throwing them open or hitting them in stride).
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Fine. Disagree all you want, after all, that is kind of the point of these things, but it seems like whenever I, and others, express a dissenting opinion on here one of you cliquers react with undue condescension or a mean-spirited backlash as if I am attacking all that you stand for or something. The next time I call someone a name for expressing a viewpoint on here will be the first time. I suppose the tattoo on your by-line says it all, though.
by Rocket Surgery on Feb 23, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
I’m sorry, but if you say something that I don’t find to be true then I will express my disagreement and point out any flaws in your argument. Any condescension you sense from me has been conjured in your mind, not mine. I don’t believe I’ve ever attempted to be condescending.
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Glad to see we're on the same page now.
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I still think you are holding Rivers past skills at screen passes against him
In 2009, he was quite good at throwing the screen pass. Success rate be damned. In 2007 and to a lesser extent, your point would be valid. But, the improvement has already occurred.
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Wonko is never wrong
And when you make a point he doesn’t agree with, right or wrong, he will belittle you.
He makes many good points, and has great insights and stats and info to back them up. You better have information to back your points, because he won’t let you get away with opinion that is contrary to his.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 24, 2010 4:33 AM PST up reply actions
Also
I don’t think it’s Wonko not letting people get away with an opinion that’s contrary to his. Wonko will listen to reason (unless it’s when talking about Drew Brees, but that’s personal). He, just like most of the other commenters at BFTB, just requires that you back up your points with something more than feeling.
Rocket Surgery made a point, Wonko contradicted the point with stats, and Rocket Surgery continued to argue the same point. Eventually it turned into a pissing contest, but both guys were really right.
1. The Chargers are one of the best screen passing teams in the league.
2. Philip Rivers doesn’t throw screen passes quiet as well as he throws medium and deep passes (that is to say that he’s probably 80% of perfect on screens instead of his usual 95%). This is a fact that cannot be argued because Philip himself said he noticed the problem and is working on it.
3. Norv Turner is not an idiot. If Rivers was not at least “good” at throwing screen passes, Norv wouldn’t call so many.
I think Rocket Surgery is looking for the same level of precision on screen passes that Rivers has on 10 and 30 yard passes, and it’s not there yet. Instead of the ball being perfectly placed, it’s about 6 inches off from that spot. And even that’s inconsistent (meaning sometimes its better than that and sometimes its worse). That doesn’t erase the fact that Rivers is still one of the better screen-passing QBs in the league (it’s a hard pass to make).
So, to recap….Rivers is good (above average) on screen passes, great on other passes. Everyone happy?
"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22
by John Gennaro on Feb 24, 2010 4:40 AM PST up reply actions
No
I still don’t like this idea out there that I’m belittling people. I don’t recall that ever happening.
I also don’t seeing a problem with arguing with someone when they are right and I don’t agree. I would hope that the person who is right would be good-natured and articulate enough to show me why I’m wrong.
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you wouldn't recall
but when it happens to you, you do. I suppose my opinions aren’t as well thought out as some, maybe because football is just a happy diversion. My Opinion is that many of the “lurkers” don’t post because they don’t want to be shot down.
For the most part, I probably overstated the case, and it probably rarely happens. It has happened to me on more than once, though. For the record, I’ve rec’d many posts and comments by Wonko. Maybe its just me.
Many lurkers don’t even read the comments. I know I don’t read the comments on many sites that I read.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 24, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
I take it the Chargers
Wont be paying him during his suspension?
On the bright side, we’ll finally get to see Rivers work with Legs and or Buster as a number 2.
Players never get paid during suspensions. NFL rule, I believe.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 23, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
I've never heard of a paid suspension
In any sport.
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I think there is some wiggle room on this one
I would say that sometimes when a player is suspended by the league the team still “pays him” but the money the team forks over is transferred directly to a charity (for example the NFLPAs emergency relief fund for guys that die, get life-threatening injuries, etc.) and sometimes the team just doesn’t have to fork over the money period.
You could sort of call the first one a paid suspension simply because it doesn’t change the team’s bottom line, even though the athlete is unpaid.
by riversformvp on Feb 23, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
I guess I worded that poorly
I meant paid suspension as an opposite of the more well-used term “suspension without pay”. I was referring to the player getting paid, since that’s what the comment I replied to was talking about.
The charity thing you refer to I believe is actually a rule in the NBA. The NFL I do not believe has such a rule. A little googling found that in baseball Jason Grimsley had the salary he would received go to charity during his suspension.
If there was a cap, I believe the player’s salary gets counted against the cap as if he was paid for 16 games, but don’t quote me on that.
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They should make VJ apologize in front of Qualcomm
to all the people who have been affected by drunk drivers.
One time MAYBE I can forgive, but twice? For a supposed ‘A’ student, this guy is pretty dumb.
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