New Chargers Stadium Thoughts and Musings, Part 1: What is Past is Prologue
Now that the offseason has begun, one of the biggest issues facing the San Diego Chargers going forward is the issue of building a new football-only stadium. At the moment, the Chargers appear to be focusing most of their efforts on a site located east of Petco Park in downtown San Diego. Certainly, I will be giving updates as more information comes out from the city of San Diego, as well as the Chargers.
This is a complicated issue, and while I generally support the idea behind a stadium, I certainly understand, given the economic conditions, why many persons in the city and county of San Diego oppose any public contribution towards a privately-owned NFL franchise.
Going forward, I will be looking at this stadium issue from a number of different perspectives. However, for the initial effort in this series, I want to take a look back at the locations the Chargers have called home for their 50-year history.
More below the jump
1960 - Los Angeles Coliseum.
Los Angeles Coliseum - circa 1960
The Chargers played their first game in front of 17,724 fans inside the Coliseum, then the home to the NFL's Los Angeles Rams. The Coliseum had a capacity of over 100,000 seats, and the poor attendance, despite the Chargers inaugural season record of 10-4 and loss to the Houston Oilers in the AFL Championship Game, was the primary incentive for then-owner Barron Hilton to move his team to San Diego. Interestingly enough, the Los Angeles Dodgers also played at the Coliseum during the Chargers' 1st year of existence.
1961-1966 Balboa Stadium
Balboa Stadium - circa 1915
Prior to the Chargers' move to San Diego, Balboa Stadium required significant modernization. Originally called City Stadium, it had been built in 1915 as part of the Pan-American Exposition, with a capacity of 15,000. Hilton's move to San Diego forced the city to add a 2nd level, which increased the capacity to 34,000 spectators.
Balboa Stadium - 1964
The Chargers enjoyed their greatest sustained success in this stadium until 2004-2009. During the 6 years they played in Balboa Stadium, the Chargers compiled a record 51-28-4, with 4 AFL Western Division Titles and the 1963 AFL Championship, a 51-10 home victory against the Boston Patriots. Furthermore, it was in this stadium that Head Coach Sid Gillman originated the most creative offense in the history of Pro Football. Gillman was also a major influence on San Diego State's then-Head Coach, Don Coryell. If Gillman is father of the modern game, It could well be argued that Balboa Stadium was the cradle.
The ongoing success of the Chargers, as well as the possibilty of obtaining an MLB franchise, would soon force San Diego to build a modern stadium. San Diego Union sportwriter Jack Murphy was instrumental in pushing for such a faciltiy. San Diego voters approved a $27 million bond in 1965 to begin construction of a new multi-purpose sports facility.
Balboa Stadium Today - looking south
Qualcomm Stadium 1967-present
The Chargers began playing at then-San Diego Stadium in 1967. The facility's original capacity was 50,000 spectators., and featured a completely open end on the eastern side. They were joined by the San Diego Padres in 1968 (as a Pacific Coast League team, then a MLB team in 1969), and remained co-tenants with the Padres through 2003.
San Diego Stadium - 1967
The Chargers struggled through most of their early years at San Diego Stadium, until the return of Don Coryell to San Diego. The Chargers, during the "Air Coryell" period, won AFC West titles in 1979, 1980, and 1981, advancing twice to the AFC Championship Game, and rewriting the NFL offensive record book in the process. The name was officially changed to San Diego - Jack Murphy Stadium in 1980, earning the stadium the nickname "The Murph." The stadium retained this appearance until 1983, at which point 9,000 bleachers were added. A larger scoreboard was also added.
San Diego-Jack Murphy Stadium - 1987
By and large, the stadium retained this appearance until 1997. Temporary bleachers were added along the field level, and behind the endzones to increase the capacity to 71,000 for Super Bowl XXII, the first of 3 Super Bowl hosted at the stadium. In the early 1990s, many of these temporary seats were added during football season, increasing capacity to about 64,000. In 1995, the city of San Diego and the Chargers agreed on a $78 million dollar expansion of the stadium, which added 11,000 permanent seats. The resulting changes closed the east endzone, modified the loge levels to "Club Seating," and added 4 Club Lounges. This agreement also provided a provision for the city to purchase unsold tickets to prevent blackouts (the notorious "ticket guarantee"),and was unsuccessfully challenged in court (former City Attorney Michael Aguirre was prominently involved). In exchange for $18 million, the city allowed Qualcomm to place it's name on the stadium. These changes allowed San Diego to host 2 more Super Bowls (XXXII, and XXXVII). The Chargers have seen their lowest low (a 1-15 season in 2000, Ryan Leaf from 1998-2000), and their most consistent stretch of good football since the expansion (from 2004-2009, a 66-31 record, and 5 AFC West Division Titles).
Qualcomm Stadium - January 14th, 2007 (ugh!)
Qualcomm, the Los Angeles Coliseum, and the Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome in Minnesota are the only facilities to have hosted a Super Bowl, MLB All-Star Game, and a World Series. As of this writing, Qualcomm has been in service since 1967, a 42-year stretch. Only one NFL team has played in the same home stadium for a longer consecutive stretch - the Green Bay Packers. Considering the importance that the San Diego Chargers have in the development of the modern game, it's a shame that Qualcomm does not have the same level of reverence as other sports facilities around the country.
There's a lot of history on this field. Qualcomm Stadium also has a lot of wear-and-tear. Like it or not, Qualcomm will not last forever, and will become hopelessly outdated within the next 10 years.
The Chargers history, as well as much of the modern NFL game, was made on this field, inside this stadium. The Chargers future in San Diego, unfortunately, will take place somewhere else.
Next in Part 2: Stadium Locations that have been discussed and discarded.
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Great pics
Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? ◔ヮ◔
Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play
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Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
it kind of reminds me of that movie "You've got mail"...I'm Tom Hanks he's Meg Ryan -- Padres prospect Matt Antonelli on sdsuaztec4
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Feb 23, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
And only getting broker
Since they have to pay the maintenance costs on Quallcomm.
I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
$300 million is the estimated cost to the city
If the Chargers stay until the end of their lease.
To me, that’s the number one reason to build a new stadium. Get that cost off the books and borrow against some future revenues (like the ones that will be generated by the property taxes paid on the new stadium).
I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
by Wonko on Feb 23, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
If I had a nickel for every dollar I paid in property tax
I could be retired by now. The Chargers should have pushed for a stadium a longtime ago, they really are screwed at this point and the city knows it.
I don't understand
how your response is in reference to what I said.
My point is that the city owning Qualcomm is costing them a lot of money. It’s in the city’s best interest to find a way around that loss.
I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
Finding away around the loss that is Qualcomm
Well the only way to do this without spending money, seems to be sell the land.
I'm not sure how this would work out
But SDSU obviously has an interest in the Chargers staying and would probably help out somehow.
Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
it kind of reminds me of that movie "You've got mail"...I'm Tom Hanks he's Meg Ryan -- Padres prospect Matt Antonelli on sdsuaztec4
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Feb 23, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
SDSU
Isnt know for active alumni and or donations, no offense I wish I went their. The girls at UCSD could be considered little league if SDSU was pro.
Don't know where you got your info
SDSU has a huge amount of active alumni and donations, just not necessarily towards sports.
Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
it kind of reminds me of that movie "You've got mail"...I'm Tom Hanks he's Meg Ryan -- Padres prospect Matt Antonelli on sdsuaztec4
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Feb 24, 2010 8:14 AM PST up reply actions
Numbers checking
Voice of San Diego ran an audit on the Chargers numbers – the Chargers believe that staying at Qualcomm until 2020 will cost San Diego $340 million. Voice of San Diego’s audit came out with a number closer to $200 million. Either way, a ton of money.
Besides, Qualcomm will be 53 years old in 2020. No team on Earth will sign a lease to play in a 53 year old facility.
Here’s the article:
"As a confirmed melancholic, I can testify that the best and maybe only antidote for melancholia is *action*. However, like most melancholics, I suffer also from sloth." - Edward Abbey.
by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Feb 23, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
Here's the article... sorry
http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/government/article_5981ac48-1d14-11df-87c5-001cc4c002e0.html?success
"As a confirmed melancholic, I can testify that the best and maybe only antidote for melancholia is *action*. However, like most melancholics, I suffer also from sloth." - Edward Abbey.
by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Feb 23, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
University + Football + Soccer Stadium in Chula Vista
The spot where the old powerplant is will be available soon less than a year, Also there is a major University wanting to open a new facility in the city, so a world class Stadium designed in a way that will allow it to be used as a regular university, add to that 8 international soccer events from teams of Argentina, Brazil, Italy, Germany, England. Every game will be sold out at 100k people increasing revenue put a world class Hotel Casino next to it . San Diego has over 10 million visitors a year ( Build it and they will come) giving a real boost to the ecenomy.
Yeah well the best way to try and get a tenant to break the lease
Is just to let the property fall apart, any land lord will tell you that.
Most of those tenants
Don’t have expensive lawyers on call to sue if the maintenance efforts aren’t satisfactory. I’m pretty sure the Chargers have sued or threatened to sue the city on this in the past.
I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
Maybe China wants naming rights?
Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
it kind of reminds me of that movie "You've got mail"...I'm Tom Hanks he's Meg Ryan -- Padres prospect Matt Antonelli on sdsuaztec4
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Feb 23, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
Toys for the Rich...
I saw my first Chargers game at Balboa stadium when I was but a youngster, and sat in the press box with my dad ( a sportswriter at the time) for many a Bolts & Padres game at what is now known as Qualcomm Stadium – so I’m not just some anti-sports kid making nay-sayer racket…
Qualcomm is a great stadium to see football – it used to be a not-bad place for baseball before they closed in the outfield by the JumboTron – This effort to throw millions of dollars at the Spano’s is misplaced at best and borderline criminal at worst. If the Chargers are being offered a better deal elsewhere, I say let them move. San Diego is not defined by its sports franchises, and frankly, the city is broke.
Great pics
But I have woked at the Q and it is not pretty in there. Especially after seeing Petco.
What a weird time to root for the Chargers though. Great team, can’t win the important ones, star player is released, players in and out of trouble, and to top it off they could leave as early as 2011. Yeesh.
LT Style, Electric Glide
"It's all part of the plan." Jeff Moorad and The Joker in the Dark Knight.
"Just because you went to the Finals last year, you can’t go out on the floor and expect teams to lay down. We got no heart. You can only make so many excuses. Everybody has to come and play hard, not just one or two guys."-Matt Barnes
They have Panda Express at Qualcomm now?
"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds
by Zach (maestro876) on Feb 23, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
Various issues
The city is already accumulating a large amount of deferred maintenance, somewhere around $50 million dollars, in addition to the cost of maintaining a parking lot that sits vacant around 300 days a year.
The concourses are narrow, the bathrooms, especially in the upper deck are inadequate for large crowds, and because of the multi-purpose design, virtually all of the seats between the endzones are too far from the field – not to mention the few thousand obstructed-view seats in the east endzone and lower half of the field level.
Also, due to the location near the San Diego River, water tends to accumulate in the lower levels and tunnels in the locker room areas, especially when it rains.
"As a confirmed melancholic, I can testify that the best and maybe only antidote for melancholia is *action*. However, like most melancholics, I suffer also from sloth." - Edward Abbey.
by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Feb 23, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
How old is arrowhead?
I know the Chargers brass came back from that game raving about how nicely the stadium was renovated. Made me wonder why a renovation of the murph was never mentioned as an option. I would be interested in also hearing about other recent renovations and why they worked or did not and how that might work out at qualcomm. I look forward to reading the rest of the series!
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 23, 2010 7:27 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I've heard estimates about renovating Qualcomm
My understanding is that the cost is far more than what it would take to build a new stadium. And, of course, the city owns the stadium, so there is no incentive for the Chargers to do it and still have to pay a lease.
I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
And..
Being that this is California, I’m sure there are some crazy laws that probably come into play at some point.
I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
Arrowhead and other renovations
Here’s the Arrowhead renovation page at Populous (formerly HOK Sports – architecture and design).
http://portfolio.populous.com/projects/arrowhead.html
I believe that Arrowhead was opened in 1972 along with Kauffman Stadium (KC Royals). The advantages with Arrowhead was that it was the rare football-only facility built in the late 60s-early 70s, the sightlines are still terrific, and it’s one of true home-field advantages remaining in the NFL. The renovation is costing close to $400 million, if I remember correctly.
One of my stories is going to focus on a trip my wife and I took with her in-laws to see the Chargers play at Lambeau Field in 2007. Lambeau Field received improvements from 2000-2002, costing about $300 million.
"As a confirmed melancholic, I can testify that the best and maybe only antidote for melancholia is *action*. However, like most melancholics, I suffer also from sloth." - Edward Abbey.
by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Feb 23, 2010 7:47 PM PST reply actions
Great Pics
The Murph looked so much better before they closed it in.
I still love the place, even though it is a wreck. It’s too bad they can’t renovate it, it wouldn’t make sense because it’s set up for multi-use, and not football only. If it was originally built just for football, I’d say drop $400M into it and sell off the surrounding area.
The Bolts - leaving San Deezy (From L.A. Times)
Check this out in re L.A. Times Sam Farmer take on the situation: http://yallkiltit.wordpress.com/2010/02/25/the-nfl-in-l-a/
New Chargers Stadium on the November 2, 2010 Ballot.
http://tinyurl.com/ChargersStadium
Hi All, Linked above is our Amended Ballot Proposal for a New Chargers Stadium and Event Center. Please read and review. If you would like this Ballot measures to be part of the November 2, 2010 election, please email the City of San Diego with your comments.
jerrysanders@sandiego.gov, donnafrye@sandiego.gov, carldemaio@sandiego.gov, cdemaio@sandiego.gov, sherrilightner@sandiego.gov, martiemerald@sandiego.gov, kevinfaulconer@sandiego.gov, benhueso@sandiego.gov, toddgloria@sandiego.gov, anthonyyoung@sandiego.gov, Cityattorney@sandiego.gov, jgoldsmith@sandiego.gov, atevlin@sandiego.gov, cityclerk@sandiego.gov, emaland@sandiego.gov, gbraun@sandiego.gov
by LaPlayaHeritage on Feb 26, 2010 8:49 PM PST reply actions
A new stadium means another handful of Super Bowls
and a s__tload of tax dollars flowing in to the city coffers. The immediate expense pales in comparison to the long-term profit. How much money did the Miami metropolitan area make from this last Super Bowl with the hotel rooms, parties, throngs of out-of-towners, radio geeks, et al …
The NFL wants to give San Diego a Super Bowl but won’t, simply because the Q is a dump.

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