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What Should the Chargers Do with Stephen Cooper?

Being the General Manager in the NFL is a balancing act.  You're responsible for balancing the checkbook, keeping balance in the locker room and balancing the level of talent/dollars on each side of the football.  Probably the most important job a GM has, though, is balancing contracts (dollars/years) against the production of a player.

Every player basically fits the same career mold.  They come into the league young, get better each year and eventually reach their "peak".  Nobody really knows how long that player will perform at his "peak", but eventually he's going to start to decline because of the wear & tear his body takes.  

The speed of the decline can almost be predicted by the position the player plays.  For defensive backs, it can be a very gradual decline (Brian Dawkins, Champ Bailey, Darren Sharper, Charles Woodson).  For running backs, it can be a very dramatic decline (LaDainian Tomlinson, Eddie George, Edgerrin James).  The fact of the matter is, it's up to the General Manager to see that decline coming and decide "We can't give this guy a 5 year contract because his body will break down in 2."  It's a tough job to do, and the numbers say that AJ Smith did a perfect job in predicting the rapid decline of Stephen Cooper.

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I know amongst us stat geeks there has been some debate about ProFootballFocus.com and their rating system.  I happen to think it's every bit as qualified as other similar sites, but the debate is not needed in this instance.  I would like to compare Stephen Cooper to himself, looking at how he's rated overall, against the run and in pass coverage in the last three seasons according to their system.

Snaps Overall Run Pass
2007 749 -1.3 6.3 -6.9
2008 898 -1.8 3.3 -2.7
2009 1,038 -13.3 -8.9 -3.5

 

Now, again, these rankings don't mean a ton.  In fact, Football Outsiders (who don't have up their 2009 numbers on Cooper yet) says that Stephen Cooper was better at stopping the run in 2008 than he was in 2007.  However, I think when FO's 2009 numbers come out they will show a similar drop-off in production for Cooper.  Even the average football fan can tell you that Stephen didn't have a very good season, and it was mostly due to him not being able to physically do the things he used to do.  He's not as fast or as strong as he was a year or two ago.  Logic tells us that as he continues to age (he'll be 31 by the start of next season), his production will not go back up.

So what are the Chargers to do?  Well, contract-wise they're in a pretty good spot.  Cooper is under contract for only one more season, and is due $2.875 million.  That puts him at the level of somebody like Takeo Spikes or Kawika Mitchell.  There's no doubt that the team will pay that in 2010 to keep their defensive captain, but I think it's just as likely that Stephen Cooper will be looking for work elsewhere in 2011.

The question I'm asking is....what should the Chargers do in the interim?

Bench Him: This idea has some merit.  Brandon Siler (16.1 overall according to PFF) and Kevin Burnett (7.0) outperformed Stephen Cooper in 2009.  They're both young (Siler is a surprisingly young 24) and talented, and could be the ILB of the future for the Chargers.  Making them starters, and getting them more snaps, would probably be the smart move for 2010 and the future.  Cooper and Tim Dobbins would still be rotated in occasionally.

The issues with this are with the locker room and leadership.  Cooper is a defensive leader and was the only defensive captain to be playing most of last season (the other captain was Jamal Williams).  He's also the guy with the headset who relays plays from the coaches to the rest of the team.  Ron Rivera has referred to Cooper as his "coach on the field".  Putting him on the bench would require somebody else to not only step into the role of play-caller, but they would need to be responsible for pre-snap adjustments and have some leadership qualities as well.  Could Siler be that guy?  Maybe, but the fact that he'd essentially be a first-year starter would make it hard.  Burnett is in the same boat, even though it would officially be his second year as a starter.  Eric Weddle is a possibility, because he's very intelligent, but nobody can be sure what type of leader he is.

 

Start Him: Obviously, the benefits and risks of this move are the opposite of benching him.  You're risking defensive productivity because it would appear that Cooper no longer has the skills to play the position.  Also, in addition to possibly stunting the growth of Burnett and/or Siler by taking that position, the following year the team would have to scramble to assign a new play-caller and defensive captain.  Doing it before the 2010 season, and having Cooper support the move (which he most likely will), would make both transitions easier.

The biggest benefit to starting him is the trust Rivera has in him.  Pre-snap reads and adjustments are Cooper's specialty, and nobody questions 54's toughness since he's playing with a painful injury about 90% of the time.  You know what you get with Cooper's intangibles, but you risk seeing the same or worse on-the-field performance from him again in 2010.  Having weak-links on the field, especially in the middle of the defense, just for the intangibles is a questionable move.

 

Trade/Cut Him: I'll throw this out there because it's an option, but realistically it's not.  The best you could hope to get for Cooper is a 6th round draft pick, and the move would probably end up pissing off a lot of players on the team.

The benefit of this move is that it would free up a roster position for a young ILB, possibly a rookie, that could be groomed as the eventual replacement for Burnett (who is only under contract for 2 more seasons and will be 29 when the contract expires).  Right now, a player like Darry Beckwith or somebody picked up in the draft would be the 5th or 6th LB and would either get cut in pre-season or be buried on the depth chart.

 

Conclusion: This decision is one that needs to be made by a braintrust.  AJ Smith, Norv Turner and Ron Rivera need to sit down and discuss each of the possible options and how it coincides with their vision of the ILB spot going forward.  Do they want to put Cooper out there, hope he plays better in 2010, and then try the transition without him in 2011?  Would they prefer to make him a backup, and put him on the sidelines so that he can help to teach the kids for a season before leaving?  What other options do they have for play-callers/captains in this defense?

If I'm those guys.....well, you know what I'd do.  I almost always go the route of putting proven young talent on the field instead of aging veterans.  In 2010, I'd like to see Siler be on the field for around 1,000 snaps instead of less than 400.  I'd like to see the team fully support Kevin Burnett at the other spot, with Stephen Cooper serving as the backup plan.  I'd like to see how Eric Weddle handles the role of play-caller in the preseason.  If Cooper's age, and contract, are most likely going to force a divorce in a year....why not start getting used to him not being around this season?

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Trade him for whatever you can get

and go hard after Kirk Morrison (who is a RFA).

by Steve (Grey Suit) on Feb 22, 2010 10:03 AM PST reply actions  

Morrison is great and all. But I’m not sure I’d want to give up a first and a third.

I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.

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by Wonko on Feb 22, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22

by John Gennaro on Feb 22, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

He's an Aztec he is worth it!

I was saying this tongue and cheek…

To be honest I would give Cooper another year with a healthy/stable D-Line in front of him and draft a project type ILB in the 3rd or fourth round. Also I think you wait till the draft and see if someone like Spikes drops to you at 28.

by Steve (Grey Suit) on Feb 22, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

spikes will most likely be around until round 2

Life is like riding a bicycle, to keep your balance, you must keep moving.-Einstein

by cameronm on Feb 22, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

even then

i think he is a bit overrated, Siler tutored him at florida. and i dont think he is an much of an upgrade or worth the high pick.

Life is like riding a bicycle, to keep your balance, you must keep moving.-Einstein

by cameronm on Feb 22, 2010 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

That was my point

You can’t really draft a project type ILB in the later rounds. There is not enough room on the roster to keep 6 ILBs, and these guys are already locks

Copper
Dobbins
Siler
Burnett
Beckwith

Not to mention Applewhite, who may just be a LB that they keep around for special teams (meaning it’s irrelevant if he’s ILB or OLB, but he’s taking up a spot).

"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22

by John Gennaro on Feb 23, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think Dobbins, Beckwith or Burnett are locks at all.

If Burrnett gets hurt in TC I can see him getting cut, Dobbins is an aging backup ILB who will prob get the lowest RFA tender and have to fight for a roster spot in TC and Beckwith is not a lock to make it off of the practice squad. I would not suprise me at all if the Chargers use a mid round pick on an ILB and let him play ST for a year and learn behind Cooper.

by Steve (Grey Suit) on Feb 23, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Burnett is by far our best linebacker in coverage. I doubt he gets cut.

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by Richard Wade on Feb 23, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that Burnett was the 2nd or 3rd best LB on the team when healthy.

Dobbins is only 27 and the team put out word (via Acee) that they loved Beckwith in ST last year. They were talking like he could be the ST captain soon. I don’t know that he gets cut.

"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22

by John Gennaro on Feb 24, 2010 5:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Key word is when healthy

I didn’t list Burnett due to talent it was more based upon health concerns that’s why I said if he does down again in training camp I think the Chargers will cut their losses and give the roster spot to someone (like Beckwith) who will be around to help the team in 2011.

by Steve (Grey Suit) on Feb 24, 2010 7:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Keep him, but reduce his workload.

You can even leave him in as the starter, because he’s not a bad player when the offense has to get ten yards. But he should spend a lot more time on the sideline next year.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Feb 22, 2010 10:17 AM PST reply actions  

Backup LBs play STs

I hope he didnt forget how, always the cut him option will become very realistic.

by AirNorval on Feb 22, 2010 10:25 AM PST reply actions  

this is a good point.

our two options are really either start him or cut him. keeping him as a backup doesn’t seem smart.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 22, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I believe if they keep him past 3/5 he is guaranteed his entire contract.

"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22

by John Gennaro on Feb 22, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s the day free agency begins. Players like LT (that won’t be back) will be cut before it, because after that date they get “roster bonuses” and I believe their salary for the upcoming season becomes guaranteed.

"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22

by John Gennaro on Feb 22, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

That clause

Was probably worked in when he restructured though.

by AirNorval on Feb 22, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m not referring to a clause. I’m referring to standard NFL rules and regulations.

"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22

by John Gennaro on Feb 22, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I do not think that is a standard NFL rule

That salaries become guaranteed after the start of the league year. There are a lot of roster bonuses due at the start of the league year though (Like LT’s).

I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.

Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't

by Wonko on Feb 22, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

the standard NFL rule for vet's guarantee

is the start of the regular season, or maybe the week before.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 22, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

That sounds more like it.

I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.

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by Wonko on Feb 22, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

so by “start of regular season” you mean the first game right?

by AirNorval on Feb 22, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

“Start of the league year” is also March 5th.

"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22

by John Gennaro on Feb 22, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

OK

Im officially confused sorry to bother you guys

by AirNorval on Feb 22, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I think I'm wrong

I think contracts are guaranteed somewhere in the preseason, but since the start of the league year is 3/5 there are tons of “roster bonuses” that kick in on that day…including LT’s.

"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22

by John Gennaro on Feb 22, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

yes

first regular season game (or maybe the week before, but right around then)

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 22, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

details

Section 1 of Article XXIII of the CBA

If the player is on the active or inactive roster in week 1 and has 4 years accrued, his regular salary is guaranteed, even if he is cut

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 22, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

So it’s essentially the 53 man roster. That makes more sense.

"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22

by John Gennaro on Feb 22, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh sorry I havent heard of that

by AirNorval on Feb 22, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Roster Bonuses and Guaranteed contracts are two different things.

I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.

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by Wonko on Feb 22, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I wonder how much his play this year was affected by those around him.

31 isn’t that old for a linebacker. It’s a position where the increase in knowledge and savy can really offset the physical deterioration for a few years. And just think of what a train wreck the DL was this year. I understand that the pro football focus guys evaluate players on whether they were able to do what they were supposed to do, but many times an ILB is dependent on the DL doing the right thing so they can do the right thing. The drop off seems abnormally large and fits into the scenario of the DL in front of him losing 2 of three starters and almost all the backup players from the year before.

I say we give him one more year before writing him off. His in-game leadership skills will be hard to replace, and with some stability in front of him he might have a bounce back year. (Wow, that sounds like almost exactly what I said about LT last off-season…)

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 22, 2010 10:37 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

my thoughts exactly...

none of our defensive “stars” had their usual years stat-wise. stats never give you the whole picture – Coop is a solid ILB and while he is closer to the end than the beginning there’s no reason to cut him loose. He’s a big part of the locker room and he’s excellent in being the QB of the defense (reading protections, calling out assignments, etc…) IMO – he’s in a similar position as Jamal. Nearing the end of the line but still a valueable asset, so why not do the same with him? Start him and share more snaps with up and coming talent (i.e siler and dobbins).

by Sydalish on Feb 22, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Nose tackles arent expected to cover kicks. Backup LBs are. And Siler has earned the starting job, he improves every year. He paid his dues on STs and goaline, its not fair for Coop to be a rotational guy and not play STs.

by AirNorval on Feb 22, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Well.....

You could play Siler/Cooper and have Burnett be the guy that’s rotated in. That’s what they did for the last 4-5 games this past season.

"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22

by John Gennaro on Feb 22, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep

You could although I of the opinion that both Dobbins and Burnett are better than Coop.

by AirNorval on Feb 22, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

how is it not fair...

for Coop to start? He has senority and putting him out there on ST is only going to waste the snaps his body has left. Coop has earned the starting position and we’ll know after TC if he’s still the guy the coaches want in that role. That said, Siler is a stud and he will get his chance soon enough to be a full-time starter. He could have had the option earlier in his career but he had some learning to do first.

I get that Jamal isn’t going to be on ST – that would be silly – I was drawing a parallel between Jamal taking less snaps in 2010 than in prev years b/c now we have guys who can step in and give him a rest, save his body some wear and tear. Both of these guys are incredibly physical players who are in transition.

by Sydalish on Feb 22, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I said it wasnt fair for Coop not to play STs if he was a rotational guy, eg not a starter. I dont care if he has seniority really, if he’s a backup LB then he has to play STs thats just the nature of the game. We will just have to agree to disagree about Siler I already think he’s earned a starting role, and at the end of the season the coaches seem to agreed because he started at Mike and played their quite a bit.

My only question is if Coop is the Mo LB, if not then it’s my opinion that he must play STs like all the other backup LBs.

I didnt like the comparison of Jwall and Coop again because of position differences. At NT a aging guy can rotate and provide exceptional value, at LB this is not the case (ask Wilfhelm and Derek Simth) because the roster spot could be better used on someone who can cover kicks.
I know Coop used to cover kicks, if I were him Id be thinking about pulling out my old STs books and brushing up.

by AirNorval on Feb 23, 2010 2:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Play Siler!

Siler showed a lot in the time that he spent in the starting lineup. Plus he has the same demeanor and leadership qualities that Cooper has. He is better suited to playing the Mike spot inside. He loves to come up in run support and shoot the gap. I would say that we could play Siler and move Cooper to the Will spot next to him, but that would require more coverage ability that Coop has. Burnett is the only linebacker we have who really fits that role. I like Siler and Burnett in there next to each other. I understand that Cooper has a lot of Rivera’s confidence, but Siler has been in the Ron’s defense just as long as Coop has. He showed he can lead a defense when he played at Florida. Go with youth.

by JKemp17 on Feb 22, 2010 10:45 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Siler at mike and Cooper at Mo

is what we ran for most of the season, with Burnett coming in on passing downs for Siler.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 22, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

The chargers history says he plays

To study history the most similar situation was Randall Godfrey in ’06, he clearly was in decline, and his playing time slowly but surely was trimmed throughout the season, but even late in the season he stil was getting 40-45% of the defensive snaps. So I will say history repeats and Coop will see his playing time drop from full time starter early in the season, to part timer late in the season. And gone by the time ’11 season starts.

by TJBOLT on Feb 22, 2010 11:10 AM PST reply actions  

During the playoff game..

Cooper was playing his ass off, and i remember watching him throw his body all over the place.
He is the type of player a team like the chargers needs, not the most talented, but extremely smart and plays with all his heart. he is the anti-cromartie.

I say keep him for sure, if it means gives him less snaps then do so.

Life is like riding a bicycle, to keep your balance, you must keep moving.-Einstein

by cameronm on Feb 22, 2010 12:25 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Keep Him until we groom a replacement...

Cooper has been the queit playmaker on the team for quite some time now. His contributions are plenty and his leadership is unrivaled and we need that on the team. This situation reminds me a lot of how we treated Donnie Edwards. Both guys were leaders, they both made a lot of tackles and they did the most damage when they were coaching on the field. Coop is replaceable but it won’t be that easy because of how much he does for the team. Siler, Dobbins and Burnett all do a great job lining up next to him but I don’t think any of them can fill for him. Plus his numbers last season were down partly because of the lack of a NT in front of him! Every game I watched against a running team I saw linemen getting to the 2nd level way too fast and we can’t blame that on our linebackers. Cooper has atleast 3 productive seasons left which gives us 2 drafts and offseasons to prepare for his departure. It wasn’t easy letting Donnie Edwards go either but we had coop and after a season the middle was fine because we had Coop learning behind him for 2 seasons. We’re gonna keep coop and next season will probably be the best of his career is Jamal Williams comes back.

by ZionKing on Feb 22, 2010 12:40 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Start Siler and Coop

Rotate in Burnett and Dobbins as necessary on passing downs or to spell the starting backers.

I like Siler— he’s got the heart and hustle to lead a defense and his upside could be London Fletcher— but cutting Cooper out this early isn’t prudent.

Yup, I'm the nut who believes Mark Loretta is a possible future Hall of Famer.

by StrangeBroP25 on Feb 23, 2010 7:18 PM PST reply actions  

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