Should the Chargers Keep Shawne Merriman?
I'd like to lead off this post by stating that I'm well aware that the San Diego Chargers will not, most likely, be giving Shawne Merriman a long-term contract now or at any point in the future. A.J. Smith, via Kevin Acee and via his drafting of Larry English in the first round of the 2009 NFL Draft, has made it quite clear that he's ready to move on without Shawne instead of giving him the big contract he'll command (....maybe).
The question I'm going to attempt to answer is.....how far should the Chargers go to keep Shawne in San Diego for the 2010 season? Should they try to get value for him now, in case he doesn't improve next season?
Value: Despite not being an elite pass-rusher for two years now, everyone knows that at one point Shawne was one of the most dangerous pass-rushing OLBs in the history of the NFL. His recent struggles could be directly tied to his injuries, and he's about to go through his first rehab-free offseason since 2007 (a year in which he posted 12.5 sacks and a career-high 54 tackles).
The Chargers, and everyone else around the NFL, knows that there's a chance that the old, dominating Shawne Merriman comes back to terrorize the league in 2010. If you're going off his 2009 season performance, the return value in a trade for him would be a 5th or 6th rounder at best. If you're going off what he's capable of doing, which teams will this offseason, he could net the Chargers a first round pick or better.
However, if the Bolts keep him around for 2010 and he is as ineffective as he was in this past season, they'll get almost nothing in return. If that happens, they'll most likely let him sign with another team as an unrestricted free agent.
Draft Picks: Here's where we start diving into Restricted Free-Agent "tenders". The number I found for RFA tenders are for 2009, but they don't change dramatically from one year to the next so it should serve our purpose just fine.
| Tender amount | Compensation required |
| $2.792 million | 1st and 3rd round picks |
| $2.198 million | 1st round pick |
| $1.545 million | 2nd round pick |
| $1.01 million | Pick in round originally drafted (excluding 1st) |
That last one should be clarified a little more. In the case of Shawne, since he was a 1st round draft pick, it would essentially require the Chargers to get back a 2nd round pick as compensation. A 2nd round pick would also serve as compensation for Vincent Jackson and/or Marcus McNeill, as they were both taken in the 2nd round. Compensation for Jeromey Clary, if he were offered the lowest tender and then signed by another team, would be a 6th round pick because he was a 6th round pick. Got it?
As far as dollars are concerned, even the highest tender would be a (small) step back from Shawne's 2009 salary. The question that the team needs to ask is....what compensation would they accept for Shawne and how willing are they to give him up? As far as I know, an RFA with the highest tender offered to him has never been signed by another team because giving up a 1st and 3rd round pick in addition to signing the player to a big-money, long-term contract is an incredibly risky move. If you're doing that, you better make sure the guy you're getting is a future MVP.
So if the Chargers want to make sure Shawne is in blue and gold in 2010, they could give him that highest tender and still save themselves a little bit of money. If they think Larry English is ready to take over Shawne's OLB spot, it would make sense to offer him either a "high tender" (if they think somebody will give up a 1st round pick for Merriman) or the lowest tender (where they would almost be assured a 2nd round pick or something similar).
Headaches: I've had this discussion with many Chargers fans in the past: Is Shawne Merriman immature? I don't think so. When I look at Shawne, I see a very intelligent young man who is mature beyond his years but perhaps is a little too nice. Shawne's smart enough to realize that his football/celebrity life won't last forever so he should take the opportunity to enjoy it (responsibly). He's also nice enough to bring just about anyone along for the ride.
I know it's going to come up in the comments, so let's just bring up the TIla Tequila citizen's arrest thing right now. What do I think happened? I think Shawne met her once before and she seemed nice/fun. Maybe she's his type (for as "skanky" as she is, she's still an Asian girl with huge boobs and a flat stomach) or maybe he just decided that she could hang with him and his friends for a night, thinking it wouldn't be much more than grabbing some drinks and maybe doing an after-party thing.
All of the reports that came out made it very clear: Shawne was not alone at home with Tila and two other women. There were plenty of people there coming down after a night of partying. That sounds like the responsible way to end a night if you're an NFLer. Should he maybe have been more leery when a reality TV star suddenly wanted to party with him? Perhaps, but I'm one of those people who tends to see the good or expect the best out of perfect stranger.....and this situation seems all too familiar to me. Suddenly somebody you barely knew, but was pretty cool before, is acting crazy or trying to do something crazy (like drive drunk) and you don't know what to do. You can't really talk with them on a personal level because you don't know them that well....and now it's obvious why. You do what you can to protect them, and everyone else.
I know tis is getting way off track, but this Tila Tequila thing got blown way way way out of proportion and I kindof avoided talking about it here because I didn't want to feed into it. The fact of the matter is, I've been there. I've had nights where I've had to wrestle somebody's keys away from them, often somebody that I barely knew and invited to a party only to find out that they're totally different once they're drunk. Shawne's story made sense to me, and that's why I was happy when the police and the witnesses backed him up. Was it a moment of immaturity or stupidity? No. It was more a moment where Shawne was a bit too trusting, expecting everyone to be as "cool" as his group of friends. I don't know, I wasn't there, but that's what it seemed like to me anyways.
Money: I touched on this in the Draft Picks section, but it should be reiterated. For less money than he made last year, on the final year of a rather unimpressive rookie contract, the Chargers can keep Merriman around and see what he has left in the tank. If he comes out like a man on fire in 2010, he could be the final piece the Chargers need to get to where they need to go in the playoffs. After the season, the team could either put the Franchise Tag on him and keep him around for 2011 or (more likely) put the Franchise Tag on him and trade him (like the Patriots did with Matt Cassel).
Paying less than $3 million to see if your team might have one of the league's best pass-rushers, especially on a team that really struggled with it's pass-rush against good offensive lines in 2009, seems like a wise investment to me.
Production: As good as Shaun Phillips was this year, he was better in 2006 and 2007. Take a look.
| Sacks | Int | PD | FF | Tackles | |
| 2006 | 11.5 | 0 | 8 | 4 | 44 |
| 2007 | 8.5 | 2 | 5 | 3 | 53 |
| 2009 | 7.0 | 0 | 3 | 7 | 47 |
Technically, the only big difference between Shaun's 2009 and 2008 years was that he had 6 more forced fumbles this past season than he did in 2008. It's obvious that as good of a player as he is, as with everyone in this entire league, he can put up bigger numbers if he has a strong pass-rusher on the other side of the defense to draw attention away from him.
If Merriman was not here in 2010, the Chargers would essentially be betting the farm on Larry English. That would not only hurt the team's depth at OLB, but it would be setting itself up for another season where Shaun Phillips is killing himself to put up OK numbers and the team would suffer to get pressure against playoff-caliber opponents. It makes a lot of sense to keep Shawne around another season as a sortof "backup plan" while the team continues to see if Larry English is a future star.
Conclusion: Yes. If OLB weren't such a need position for the San Diego Chargers in 2010, it might make sense to put the lower tender on him and get a 2nd round pick for him while the team still can. However, the Bolts need production from that OLB spot next season just as badly as Shawne needs a big year to secure a big-money, long-term deal elsewhere. The best course of action is to offer Shawne the highest tender and hope that Larry English looks like a legitimate NFL starter in 2010.
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My gut says they tender him with a 1st and 3rd.
But I wouldn’t be surprised if he was tendered lower or traded.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Feb 2, 2010 10:08 AM PST reply actions
minor RFA clarification
If a player is tendered an offer as an RFA with draft pick compensation, their salary will either be on the schedule you noted above, or 110% of their prior year base salary (which does not include most bonuses), whichever is more. I think his salary from last year was $2.9 Million (here) so that would mean he couldn’t be tendered for less than $3.2M. Not a big deal since they were probably going to give him the max ($2.7M) tender anyways, but it does change the discussion about the lesser tender options to some extent since the dollar number will be 3.2 no matter what draft picks we .
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 2, 2010 10:33 AM PST reply actions
Thanks. That makes more sense.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 2, 2010 11:45 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
quick question
John you said that
“If you’re going off what he’s capable of doing, which teams will this offseason, he could net the Chargers a first round pick or better.”
What is better than a first round pick? I’m just confused on what you mean by better. I’m assuming you mean a player who has been around the league and has solidified himself as a pretty darn good player. In your opinion, what type of player/position do you think fits that descripition?
First round or better
I think refers to getting a first round pick AND another pick (like the third round pick as noted in the table above), or a pick and some players, although that rarely happens any more.
Do or do not. There is no try.
correct.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 2, 2010 11:44 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Are you serious right here?
He’s always in the middle of the huddle before the game. Even though his production on the field hasn’t reflected it recently, he is a leader on this roster and in the locker room.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Feb 2, 2010 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
indeed.
i heard he called out cromartie for the awesome tackling job he did with greene. accountability…i like it.
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I think you say these kind of things because..
you let his personal life and what goes on or has gone on in it, blur your opinion on his actions on the field.When you dislike someone on a personal level it doesn’t matter what he does on the job,you disagree with anything that person partakes in.
by Gorditoe1 on Feb 3, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I did a double-take because this comment isn’t your normal Gorditoe1 fare.
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That was a compliment and a rec, so I’m leaving it open.
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merriman
he was a terror on the field, while he awas taking the juice,now that he was caught cheating his game has turned into null and void.the only time you hear his name is doing game intro, or in the news. stick a fork in him he’s done!
I did a fan post on this last off-season and the stats don’t really show a significant drop off after the steroid suspension. Check it out here.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 2, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
We finished 13-3
and we didn’t have much of a pass rush all season and we did fine (in the regular season). I think the lower tender (2nd rounder) would be just right. We have not had a 2nd round pick in 2 years and to get 2 would be nice. The last 3 2nd rounders were Jackson, McNeil, and Weddle.
Shawne brings an energy that I don’t think anyone else on the team can match. When healthy, he was a headache for the opposing team. But 2 years of nothing is tough to keep around. I think with a better, healthy D-Line the Chargers will be OK without him.
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"Just because you went to the Finals last year, you can’t go out on the floor and expect teams to lay down. We got no heart. You can only make so many excuses. Everybody has to come and play hard, not just one or two guys."-Matt Barnes
The first of those 2 years he was out with an injury, and the 2nd he was playing through many injuries.I think that could explain why he’s given the Chargers nothing over that timespan.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 2, 2010 11:48 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Obviously
I know he was hurt. I’m just saying without his production, the Chargers have been winning anyway.
Profootballfocus.com shows how many snaps a player was in. In 111 less plays, English pretty much matched his production.
LT Style, Electric Glide
"It's all part of the plan." Jeff Moorad and The Joker in the Dark Knight.
"Just because you went to the Finals last year, you can’t go out on the floor and expect teams to lay down. We got no heart. You can only make so many excuses. Everybody has to come and play hard, not just one or two guys."-Matt Barnes
Does it acount for how teams schemed differently with Merriman in?
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by Mad_Villain on Feb 2, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No.
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Wasn't Hester
Also a second round pick?
by Its Mikey!! on Feb 2, 2010 12:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
3rd rounder
but we traded the next year’s #2 (+ a late round pick) to get that year’s 3rd rounder we drafted him with.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 2, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
AJ struck out on Hester
but I think he hit a homerun (triple?) on finding Tolbert.
LT Style, Electric Glide
"It's all part of the plan." Jeff Moorad and The Joker in the Dark Knight.
"Just because you went to the Finals last year, you can’t go out on the floor and expect teams to lay down. We got no heart. You can only make so many excuses. Everybody has to come and play hard, not just one or two guys."-Matt Barnes
I don't Hester has been bad
when you think of his as a third round pick. It’s just when people consider that we used a future 2nd rounder and a 5th rounder to get him, and we got Tolbert as a UDFA that same year that it starts to seem worse.
Third round feels about right to take a risk on a pass-catching fullback/special teams stud who might be able to play some RB if things fall into place, especially with an aging vet (LoNeal) on his way out. Of course in retrospect only the special teams part has really panned out, but at the time it didn’t seem crazy.
Here are the other 3rd rounders AJ has drafted:
Louis Vasquez
Anthony Waters
Charlie Whitehurst
Kenan McCardell (via a trade of a 3rd rounder)
Nick Hardwick
Nate Kadeing
Courtney Van Buren
Hester is a remarkably mediocre pick in amongst a boom/bust list of 3rd rounders.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 2, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
STEROIDS
He took it back way back in 2006 but they make you get in injured more idk if it still effects him now
Reppin SD (Z-G)
Yes. Steroids make you get injured more. That’s how they work.
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by Axion on Feb 2, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Keep Merriman, the guy’s a beast when healthy and you can’t replace a guy like that. You can never have too many pass rushers.
Injuries might be a problem
well there r good backups in Jyles Tucker Larry english, Applewhite and backflipping linebacker
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Woah there.
Marques Harris will likely not be re-signed.
Tucker is just that— a good backup. If he had to start a full season, or most of a season, there would be problems.
English, man… any conversation about him is going to raise concerns about his short wingspan and lack of an inside move. Doubt he’ll blossom without serious OTJ training.
Applewhite is coming off of IR this season. He could easily have the same durability issues as Merriman, but they’ll not be as aggravated by constant play.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Feb 3, 2010 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
Does a decision have to be made on Merriman prior to the draft?
If not, I would say depending on who falls to us in the draft should affect the overall thinking on Merriman.
Get what you can
Lights out has been burned out since he stopped the “juice.” He went from being cut to flabby in 2 years; time to go big, fast and young. A. J. this time get one that has fire without the salsa shots.
I’d just like to quickly point out that this isn’t true.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 2, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Use the Highest Tender
If a team is really interested in signing him, they can always work out a trade with the Chargers too. With the highest tender, you can make other interested teams come to the negotiating table. If they don’t, then you walk away with a 1st and 3rd.
If you use one of the lowest tenders, some team will probably be tempted to take a flyer on him to see if he returns to form after being completely healed. If I was another GM with a mid to late second round pick, I think I would consider taking that gamble.
The highest tender puts the Chargers in control.
There's absolutely zero reason to do it any other way.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Feb 2, 2010 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
I’ve never heard of a team lowballing on a tender to try to entice another team to give them picks. And it’s not like I wasn’t paying attention. Starters/Pro Bowlers always get the highest tenders.
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Merriman should stay
I find him to be incredibly productive on the field, and a bit more level headed than Phillips.
If he puts up double digit sacks next year and blows up run plays, He should be given a big 5 year contract as a result. It would probably fire him up. He can’t be too thrilled with the thought of leaving the team he obviously loves playing for. Maybe staying will make him happier, and in turn, better. Also, I want to see how well the defense can play with Merriman and Phillips and Williams at 100% in Rivera’s 33 defense. With Larry English having valuable time to get better this offseason, a 3 OLB could really take off.
by Superduperboltman on Feb 3, 2010 6:21 AM PST reply actions
I'm hoping AJS is smarter about Merriman than KA gives him credit for.
But I’m not optimistic on this count. It’s a terribly destructive thing that you’ve got this guy who can be the emotional leader you’re seeking on your defense, and because he makes some dumb decisions (ordinary dumb, mind you) you don’t let him have any sense of security, completely undermining any effort to build him as a leader. As a result, he starts underperforming.
This is, IMO, the biggest black mark on an otherwise exceptional GM.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Feb 3, 2010 8:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree...
when you fell under appreciated you start to resent the place you find yourself in.Very damaging to morale I might add.
The only black mark??
I think the biggest black mark in regards to AJ is that he basically stood pat on a defense that was in serious need of upgrading last year. I can only imagine if the Chargers had a dominating run stopping defense to go along with their powerfull offense. Of course, with Jamal Williams injury in the first game of the season the entire defensive scheme had to be reworked and I think that played a big part in Merriman not playing up to his potential… he had more responsiblity than just rushing the passer. I think English was a poor use of a first round pick and AJ basically slept through the free agent signings.
My number one pet peeve with AJ Smith is his penchant for finding the “diamond in the rough”. He loves to draft project players and everyone praises at what a genious he is when they pan out… He’s like the guy who never buys a new car from the dealer… but gets great cars from the auction lot. But for once I’d like to see him just pick a stud that is highly regarded in the first round.
I think he should keep Merriman… I think right now you can get him relatively cheaply. a good value play. But do I think we will keep him… no. We will go cheap and suffer for it next year.
We are so close… but we will never win a Super Bowl with a swiss cheese defense.
Stood pat?
1st rounder: English. Pick that went towards addressing what was probably our #2 defensive priority last year. Bad call, but he could still turn out as a pretty serviceable linebacker. Unfortunately I think we’re more likely to get Ernie Sims rather than DeMarcus Ware out of his career.
2nd rounder: The pick we traded to New England for their 2008 3rd rounder— which brought us Jacob Hester.
3rd rounder: Louis Vasquez. Not defensive, but an absolute need position and mega-ultra-steal of this year’s draft. He made massive strides in TC and during the season— how else would he have edged a former Pro Bowler for the starting spot?
4th rounder: Vaughn Martin. Initially looked to be the PROJECT NOSE TACKLE OF THE FUTURE. During the season, however, he came on in rotation and was most effective at DE, which looks to be where his future lies. Therefore, NT is still a going concern.
4th rounder supplementary A: Gartrell Johnson. Write this one off as a bad waive.
4th rounder supplementary B: Tyronne Green. Put a finger in the dike for a game or two during the rash of serious OL injuries.
5th rounder: Brandon Hughes. Small, fiesty corner with potential. Might’ve been in the mix at nickel had he not been IR’d early.
6th rounder: Kevin Ellison. Maybe you’ve heard of this guy? I think KE needs to improve his cover skills, but he’s already a ferocious hitter and could be a very successful long-term safety for this team.
7th rounder: Demetrius Byrd. Jury is still out on this one, but I will tell you one thing: don’t read his Twitter feed if you’re puritanical at heart.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Feb 3, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
So.
That’s four picks out of this draft that went to defensive positions of dire need. However, they kind of picked out of order… I would’ve taken Peria Jerry or tried to barter up for B.J. Raji in the first, and then had gone for a backup-caliber LB later.
And also: *compensatory picks, not supplementary.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Feb 3, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
Raji went 8th overall. Good player, not worth bartering up that far.
We could have taken Peria Jerry, yeah… but he’d project as a DE in a 3-4. Really, he’s a #2 DT in a 4-3. Really, really, his rookie season was more-or-less a total loss, so we don’t know nothin’.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Feb 3, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
They won't all be 100%
I can guarantee you that.
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You had to drop post #57, didn't you?
I was hoping this one would leave off at 56 posts.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Feb 4, 2010 9:08 AM PST up reply actions

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