Examining Cromartie Trade Possibilities
Over the last few days, I've gotten a lot of calls, txts, e-mails and tweets asking me what my problem is with Vincent Jackson. Why am I so desperate to trade him? Usually my argument with the person fizzles somewhere around "Buster Davis", but there's a very important point that I'd like to make clearer to everyone. We'll use a metaphor.
Let's imagine you're the Vice President of a major corporation. You're one of the best VPs in the world and your company is having great success because of your creative ideas and management skills. As part of your job, once a year you're required to give a speech to your company's shareholders. For the past two seasons, as great as you've been in your day-to-day job, the speech has not gone as planned. The first time you gave the speech drunk and fell off the stage. Last year you got drunk the night before and showed up in tattered clothes with a black eye. Do you keep your job? Do you get a raise and a guarantee that the job is yours for another 5 years?
Of course you don't. You get fired. The President of the company looks at all the good you do for the company and says "it's just not worth it." The shareholders have almost no confidence in you because what you continue to show is a lack of maturity. It makes more sense to bring in a guy that can do 80% of what you can in the day-to-day work, as long as he's guaranteed to be professional during the most important day of his job each year.
Get it? I realize how valuable Vincent Jackson is when he's on the field, but if I was a GM the last thing I would do is give a long-term, big-money contract to a guy that has wound up in handcuffs during each of the last two playoffs. That's why I would look at his current value (possibly the highest it will ever be) and see how he might be able to fill some other holes we have.
Now, moving on to Antonio Cromartie. "Cro" is being dangled by the Chargers, he's essentially on the trading block, if they could get a good-value RB in return. The reasons for this actually have little to do with Cro's off-the-field issues (which are numerous). Here are the main ones:
Antoine Cason - I've tried enough times to realize that nobody wants to listen to me when I tell them that Cason is a good CB, but one that's ill-fitted for the Nickel Corner position. So I'll let Kevin Acee tell you the exact same thing:
Cason is the one. There is a difference between nickel and corner. The nickel back doesn't get to use the sideline, has more space and more varied plays/players to worry about. As for Cason's 2009, it was a weird deal. He had a great spring and good summer and then made some mistakes early on. I think the coaches gave up on him too early and didn't handle it all that well, but it's hard to argue when they won 11 straight games beginning with Cason's benching and Gregory insertion. However, they are making plans for Cason to be the man in '10.
Before Cason was benched this year, everyone was a huge fan of his. He is a playmaker just like Cromartie, with hands and speed to turn bad throws into defensive touchdowns, and is a better tackler than Antonio. The team knows this, and they know how much he's getting paid, and they're eager to get him on the field in a position where he can succeed.
Money - Cromartie is going to want a lot of money when his contract is up next season. He's going to want to be one of the top-paid CBs in the league, because he has the potential to be. The problem here is two-fold. For one, if the Chargers were to keep him and pay him that would mean they were paying Cason first-round money to sit on the bench for at least two more years. Two, it's still all about potential with Cromartie. He was fantastic in 2007, the league figured him out a little bit after that, and he's been pretty average since. He showed improvement from 2008 to 2009, and you could make the case that he will continue to improve....but there's no guarantee of that. Does his potential warrant him top-CB money?
Value - Not only is there a severe lack of shutdown CBs in the league this days, which means there's a lot of shoppers for a guy with Cromartie's talent, but this trade could end up being a low-risk one. Although Cromartie's potential says he should be worth a first-round draft pick or starting RB in return, mix that with his actual results and he's probably worth a second-rounder of a backup RB with good stats. With one year left on his deal, a team with good RB depth could send a backup RB to San Diego and in exchange get a chance to see if Cromartie's performance is any better in their system and with their coaches.
After that first year, if he doesn't improve at all, the team could choose to let him walk or negotiate with him a contract based more on his actual performance rather than his potential. A team could essentially give up a player or a pick to "test drive" a possible shutdown CB.
So, who are the possible suitors? Well we have to look for teams who struggled stopping the pass last season. Then we'll see if we can narrow it down based on who the Chargers wouldn't want to trade him to and who has the best RB depth.
Starting Out
Lions
Titans
Seahawks
Browns
Falcons
Jaguars
Saints
Rams
Dolphins
Cardinals
Chiefs
49ers
Cowboys
Steelers
Well, there's a few teams on there we can take off right away. The Chargers won't be sending Cromartie to Kansas City or Pittsburgh, to avoid having to face him in the future. Because of the Final Eight Plan, the Saints are limited in what they can do in free agency and with trades....so we can take them off as well. Let's see what that leaves us with.
Lions
Titans
Seahawks
Browns
Falcons
Jaguars
Rams
Dolphins
Cardinals
49ers
Cowboys
I bet we could get rid of a couple more here if we tried. The Dolphins already have two young, talented CBs and Cromartie is exactly the type of player Parcells hates (afraid to hit). They're off. I'd be willing to bet that Singletary and Spagnola wouldn't like a CB that doesn't tackle either, so let's take them off. Fisher and Schwartz probably wouldn't be big fans, but I think they'd be willing to deal with it....so we'll leave them on for now. Now we're down to 8 possible trading partners.
Lions(?)
Titans(?)
Seahawks
Browns
Falcons
Jaguars
Cardinals
Cowboys
Let's examine each one a little closer.
Lions - Their depth at RB is just about as bad as their depth at CB. Philip Buchanon and William James should probably not be starting in the NFL. They could definitely use somebody like Cromartie to cover the studs in their division (Greg Jennings, Sidney Rice), but to do so they'd probably have to send the Chargers their 2nd round pick (34th overall). I like this trade for both teams.
Titans - They desperately need a CB on the opposite side of the field from Cortland Finnegan. Enough that Jeff Fisher (a former hard-nosed CB) might look past Cromartie's unwillingness to tackle. LenDale White is a RFA who played his college football in southern California. A straight-up trade of Cromartie for White seems a little uneven, but if the Titans were to throw in a 3rd or 4th round pick it would seem doable. White knows he has no chance of getting carries behind Chris Johnson (and he's not too happy about it), but he's always been a pretty good RB with a nose for the endzone. If the 2010 Chargers had him sharing carries with a rookie RB, it could be "Thunder and Lightning" all over again.
Seahawks - This one is a bit of a longshot. As bad as their pass defense was this year, their CBs are probably not the problem. Their Safeties and LBs are where they have issues. Also, their RB depth is poor. For them to give up a 2nd round pick for Cromartie, when they already have a secondary full of players with potential, seems unlikely.
Browns - The Browns intrigue me this offseason simply because of Mike Holmgren. As big of a name and voice as he is, Mike has never been a very patient man. I doubt he'll want to hear the naysayers at the end of the year asking "Did he really change anything?" He'll want to make a big splash. The Browns are young at CB, but could probably use an improvement in talent there. I don't love any of their RBs, but their 6th pick in the 2nd round would probably be enough to get Cromartie away from the Chargers. With players like Santonio Holmes, Derrick Mason and Chad Ochocinco in the division, the Browns need somebody that can play man-to-man.
Falcons - I don't know if you watched any of the 2009 Falcons, but I did. Moreso than any other team, it was painfully obvious that this was a team held back by it's awful secondary. They need CBs in the worst way, and they offer an opportunity for Antonio to be closer to his hometown. Jerious Norwood is their backup for Michael Turner, who they obviously think of as a "workhorse RB", but didn't get the starts when Turner went down with an injury last year. His future in Atlanta is that of a 3rd down back, but in San Diego (who pass more often) he'd be a good fit as the starting RB. Before 2009, when his carries went down, he never averaged less than 5 YPC and twice was over 6 YPC.
Cromartie for Norwood, to me, seems like the best match. Cromartie would be happy, the Falcons would get what they desperately need and the Chargers would get a RB that could immediately come in as the starter (and split carries with a rookie). I think they're about equal in terms of value too, but if you don't I bet Atlanta would be willing to throw in a 4th or 5th round pick to even things out. There's not a lot of reason for them to keep a player like him around when he's such a bad fit for their power-running offense.
Jaguars - Another team, like the Titans, that has 1 good CB and it doesn't matter because the other CB is so bad. Teams just attack whoever isn't Rashean Mathis and it seems quite easy. Bringing in Cromartie to man that position opposite of Mathis would go a long way towards restoring the Jags as one of the top defensive teams in the league. The two RBs they have are Maurice Jones-Drew (who is untouchable) and Rashad Jennings (who was very good as a rookie last year). I doubt they'd give up either one, and they don't have a 2nd round pick in the 2010 draft. If they really wanted Cromartie, and I think they might just prefer to try to draft a CB, they'd probably have to give up a 2nd round pick in 2011 and something this year as well (4th round pick?). While this might be a decent fit on paper, I don't see how they make it work.
Cardinals - Here's where everyone starts telling me I'm nuts again. I've been floating this idea around for the past few days of a trade between the Cardinals and Chargers. Something like Vincent Jackson and Antonio Cromartie for Anquan Boldin, Tim Hightower and a pick (4th rounder?). I think Hightower is a good back for 10 carries a game, and I've always been a big fan of Boldin's (reminds me of Brandon Marshall). This solves the VJ problem, solves half of the RB problem, sorts out the secondary and gives the Chargers an extra pick in the draft (in one of the rounds where AJ likes to find hidden treasures).
The Cardinals certainly have the depth at RB, and are probably eager to free up more carries for Beanie Wells. Bryant McFadden is good, but not great, at CB and the idea of having the Cromartie cousins in the same secondary writes it's own marketing. Do they need another CB? Probably not, but if you're swapping Jackson and Boldin it might be worth it for them to take Cromartie and see if it helps make their secondary more consistent. An interesting, but unlikely, trade scenario.
Cowboys - We've been over this before. I don't see if happening. Tashard Choice is the RB that everyone wants, but he's also the most complete RB on the Cowboys. Marion Barber is the one they probably want to trade away, but his contract pays him more than what he's probably worth (especially now that he seems to be dealing with the repercussions of all those big hits).
Also, the Cowboys have a lot of talent at CB. Mike Jenkins was great in 2009, Terrence Newman wasn't that bad and Orlando Scandrick is a very good player. If they were to acquire Cromartie, they'd have to move one of those guys. The only way the Chargers get Choice is if they trade for him using one of their draft picks. This is not a logical place for Cromartie to end up.
Ravens - I know they're not on the list, but I know somebody is going to bring them up as a possible trade partner. One, you're trading to an AFC team that's consistently in the playoffs. That's always bad news. Two, Willis McGahee has high mileage on him. Three, Ozzie Newsome much prefers to build through the draft and free agency rather than via trade (has he ever made a trade?). Four, their second round pick is late in the round. I just don't see a way that it gets done.
So what do you guys think? I think Falcons or Titans make the most sense. I like the idea of drafting a rookie RB in the 2nd or 3rd round and having him split carries with either LenDale White or Jerious Norwood. Give me your ideas (either teams to trade with or players to trade for using Cromartie) in the comments section.
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I'd like the Atlanta-Norwood thing more
If Norwood wasn’t an RFA (which I’m pretty sure he is). You’d definitely like to bring in another talented back with him and probably bring back someone like Bennett because Norwood has had some trouble staying on the field.
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Agreed, the more I think about it the more I like it. If we could squeeze a 4th round pick out of them that would be even better.
Then we could wait till the second day and draft a bruiser to compliment him. We could take a NT in the first and an OT in the second that way.
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What does him being an RFA have to do with it? At this point all that means is that the Chargers can negotiate a contract with him on their own, and then go to the Falcons to work on compensation.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 19, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
Rashad Jennings
Chargers had plenty of chances to take this guy and didn’t last year. I guess I could chalk it up to getting Gartrell early. I would think that given his limited amount of success so far they will still fall back on some of their draft scouting report on him and that makes me think that they won’t think of him too highly.
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Tim Hightower
is not a good back. You might as well have LT back there.
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by Wonko on Feb 19, 2010 1:15 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
So true.
Hightower, Good for 3 yards or less 95 percent of the time.
DAMN YOU JUJU!!! You make about as little sense as John Clownzano!!!
So forgetful
Timmy hits the hole and runs with his pads low keeping his dancing to a minimum. Reminiscent of a guy named Turner, remember him? He can catch the ball, block, and bust a few decent runs here and there when he gets some blocking in the second level. I think he would be a pretty good compliment to Sproles’ speed/agility. Plus he has a nose for the endzone when you get into the redzone, unlike your boy Sproles and his weight issues. Ask Ray Ray about that. You guys would be so lucky to get a hustle and heart player like Timmy on the cheap.
Also, John – I like the article and what you are saying except for one thing. What is this crap about Boldin reminding you of Brandon Marshall? Marshall has to put in another couple of years on this pace to be a little Boldin-esque. Respect the Q! If you end up with him, you’ll see why.
Chirp, Chirp!
Hightower is not any good. Any honest analysis of his play (statistical or otherwise) will show you this.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 21, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
Marshall/Boldin
Just a similar style of play. Neither one is known for being great deep threats, but will catch anything thrown at them and can usually tack on 10 yards YAC. Neither one may be good fits in the Chargers offense, but I always like those types of receivers.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 22, 2010 2:39 AM PST up reply actions
Marshall can not “usually tack on 10 yards YAC.” He does it rarely and spectacularly. They are memorable in their spectacularness, but are few and far between.
Boldin seems like more of a possession guy. He’ll run his routes to the first down marker, which is the opposite of what Marshall does.
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2nd rounder?
First off Dallas has already been crossed off the list since before yesterday.
On to my main point, I highly doubt Cro is worth a 2nd round pick. ESPN or Kevin Acee said that he was on the trading block for the better part of last year and no one was willing to pay what the Chargers were asking. So that leaves me to believe that they would be asking for a 2nd rounder (highly doubt AJ Smith would ask for a 1st and 3rd for Cro, Then again it’s AJ.)
I like a Cro/Norwood trade or even LenDale White/3rd round because if we get a good rookie we have a good/great pair. LenDale has little tread on the tires. Michael Bennett is signed thru this year, but i hardly believe he is the answer. Chester Taylor (via free agency) is another option if Chargers get a draft pick in return for Cro.
by hellodancerepair on Feb 19, 2010 1:34 PM PST reply actions
LenDale White?
I would be extremely disappointed to see him a Charger. I wonder what he has eaten himself to now that he is permanently on the bench. 270? 280?
DAMN YOU JUJU!!! You make about as little sense as John Clownzano!!!
huh
Lindell lost weight last season and was not that bad. he has very low miles on him and was a starting back up until CJ got there. I think the only reason he was benched was because CJ was just to good to let sit thats all.
by 40.OZ on Feb 19, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Even when LenDale had playing time,
I never felt he was a vital piece of the Titans offense. He was a goal line back that could block. That is no different than how LT plays now, who we are trying to replace.
It's CaDuck. BAM!!!
He was a very big part of their offense in 2008. 3.9 YPC and 15 TDs is a step up from LT.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 19, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
If he were to play in SD,
His stats would be nowhere close to those. Not to mention, he cannot catch out of the backfield, he only has 42 career receptions.
It's CaDuck. BAM!!!
I never said I’d want him as the #1. I’d want him in the role he played in 2008, of keeping the rookie RB rested and healthy by being the goalline/workhorse RB
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by John Gennaro on Feb 21, 2010 5:53 AM PST up reply actions
Just draft a back please
Nice post btw John.
I want to pull my hair out when I keep hearing about the Chargers trading for a RB, ok Choice I understand he’s very young. But come on now RBs are a dime a dozen, draft one for god sake. HECK draft two please, one first day and one second day.
Mathews or Best or even Dwyer
and then
Tate or Starks
If we want to move Cro we are going to have to settle for a late 2nd early third, which might not be as bad as people think. He’s becoming a headache and this draft is stacked with talent.
by AirNorval on Feb 19, 2010 1:47 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I know this is fun to talk about
But really, do you think any trade will happen?I just don’t see it happening. I wish it would. But I just don’t think anything actually will.
by Its Mikey!! on Feb 19, 2010 1:47 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Yes
I think he’ll be traded or maybe even cut. Acee has expressed this, and even though he’s a douche; he’s AJs buddy.
He won't be cut
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what are you talking about
he’s a pro-bowl corner due to make $1.23 mil next season, he seems like a prime canadate to be cut.
What Kool Aid are you talking about?
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they have red one at AP...
you should try that one.Everybody knows he won’t be cut,AJ is a lot of things but stupid is not one of them.
by Gorditoe1 on Feb 20, 2010 7:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sarcasm makes me laugh.
Everytime. Haha
by Its Mikey!! on Feb 19, 2010 3:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The Jaguars don't have a terrible corner opposite Rashean Mathis
Derek Cox started all 16 games at the other corner position and played just as well, if not better than every other rookie cornerback in the league. He was a weak link at times, but he’s definitely the future at the position and Jaguar fans have a lot of faith in him. Rashean Mathis was injured at times during the season, as is usual, and his replacements were pretty bad.
Believe it or not, the reason we would want to add Cromartie would be to address the FS position. Reggie Nelson is not a fan favorite and the position needs to be addressed. Rashean can play FS and probably would in 2010 if another corner could be added to the team. Joe Haden is a possibility, but if the Jaguars could acquire Cromartie they might consider it. Although if attitude is a concern, I doubt the Jaguars would consider it. They have gotten rid of anyone with any hint of character concern.
The trade I could see happening would be a swap in first round picks and maybe a mid to late round pick from the Jaguars. The Chargers would then be free to go after C.J. Spiller.
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i really like this idea..
Chargers 1st round pick and Antonio Cromartie for Jaguars 1st round pick and a mid to late round pick
and for the record I hope the Jags make the playoffs again next year, theyre an awesome team
by jordanmowbray on Feb 19, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Although if attitude is a concern, I doubt the Jaguars would consider it. They have gotten rid of anyone with any hint of character concern.
Cross Jax off the list.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 19, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
7, 6 and 5 are the most important numbers as to why he has little value
At LEAST 7 kids by 6 mothers in 5 states. And all under the age of 6. And he’s afraid to tackle. Why would anyone offer more than a 4th or 5th rounder for this guy? Randy Moss had a hall of fame career and only garnered a late round pick.
1. The Raiders were ripped off
2. The thought was that Moss was on his way down, Cro is still on his was up.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 19, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
what about..
Deangello Williams for cromartie and a second?
They have a young stud in J-Stew and they likely wont be able to sign D. Williams to new contract and they might as well get something for him. What do you think?
He is also a high character guy and would add plenty to the chargers offense.
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I don’t think they need a CB.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 19, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
The Lendall White
is the best back up running back in my opinion.I’m so surprised he didn;t get a lot of carries this year
Reppin SD (Z-G)
Hard to argue the philosophy when Chris Johnson was averaging something like 7 YPC
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by John Gennaro on Feb 19, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think that they will get good value at RB
by trading Cromartie. I would prefer that they pick up one in the draft and look to sign a veteran RB who gets cut to share time with the rookie.
If the Chargers think that his off field issues can be turned around I actually think the Lynch for a third rounder rumor is the best value trade that I have heard mentioned.
As far as the “VP of a major corporation- VJ comparison”: If you showed up in tattered clothes with a black eye and gave damn good speach (7 for 111) coupled with the great job that you have been doing, I think that you would still be the VP.
I'd fire
the President for incompetence. You don’t give the VP the green light when you know he’s not in any condition to give a speech.
by Bluelightning on Feb 19, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
A valid point
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by John Gennaro on Feb 19, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
i think this metaphor is breaking down.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 19, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
No, I think he’s right. Part of the reason VJ thought he could get away with driving with a suspended license on the way to the Jets game is because he was allowed to play a couple of days after getting a DUI the year before. I’m a Norv defender, but he probably should’ve sat VJ down and said “getting in trouble with the law will not get you rewarded.”
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by John Gennaro on Feb 20, 2010 6:01 AM PST up reply actions
thanks for all the work.
My guess is that AJ Smith is only going to go for a really good deal otherwise he’ll let Cro play a contract year.
Good point about Cason being good. It’s clear AJ really likes depth.
by not humble enough on Feb 19, 2010 4:47 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
This.
He’d let Cromartie go to move way up, but otherwise he’d need a mittful of picks.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Feb 19, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
i agree. I don’t think Cro leaves unless we get a 1st. Not that he is worth that, I just don’t think he leaves for less.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 19, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
but then they’re wasting time/money with Cason on the bench
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by John Gennaro on Feb 20, 2010 6:02 AM PST up reply actions
Mistake
to trade Cromartie for anything less than a 1st or high second. Regardless of his tackling and off the field problems, he is a good coverage CB. Teams like the Packers, Cardinals, and Titans would take him happily for a third, but it doesn’t improve our team. We did not lose games because of Cromartie, we lost games because of LT and the poor play of our lines. In particular the defensive line. We should be looking to upgrade the DL.
Rec'd
So good.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 20, 2010 6:04 AM PST up reply actions
Cardinals trade? no
I like lenDale and a 2nd, or norwood and a good rookie RB…but VJ for esentially anquan boldin, hightower for cro… thbbbbbtt(fart noise)!!! Vince regardless of what these weiners blog about him, is the most complete receiver in the game the boys dangerous! and anquan is getting up there, doesn’t fit our squad. hightower is not better than LT(cheaper definitely) but why not get one of the forementioned backs and a draft pick.
Hightower is an improvement over LT, albeit a small one, and wouldn’t be asked to carry the ball 20 times a game. I want him as the backup/goal line back really.
VJ as the most complete receiver in the game? Maybe. Dangerous? Definitely. A problem off-the-field? Absolutely.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 20, 2010 6:05 AM PST up reply actions
Other possible trade
Hey this might be a stupid question but what would stop the jets from making a trade for Cromartie? They have a full backfield and they wont be able to pay them all. Thomas Jones is the most consistent, and green played well in the playoffs. Leon Washington is a home run hitter who would of had a big year if he didn’t get hurt. If jets don’t commit to Washington soon hes gonna test free agency anyways. what do you think?
Yup
At least 2 Pro Bowlers there.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 20, 2010 6:06 AM PST up reply actions
Not sure if you are referring to Lito Sheppard
But he has a ridiculous bonus coming up and is pretty likely to be released. Of course, the same goes for Thomas Jones.
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That seems to be the consensus
of the fans on TheJetBlog with regards to Sheppard. I think the Jets need another CB but I would be surprised to see the Jets get Cromartie. They seem to have spent a lot of effort keep Rhodes in line. I don’t see them chasing a CB that is afraid to tackle and has a lot of off-field issues.
TJ is due a $3 mil bonus but his base salary is not all that high. He was playing hurt at the end of the season and will likely be ready to roll come training camp. Leon Washington is still questionable and Shone Green may or may not be a bit injury prone. I cannot see the Jets letting TJ go. Come draft day he may be bundled into a last minute trade but only if the Jets have found a 3rd running back to replace him.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 20, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
Did not know that.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 21, 2010 5:54 AM PST up reply actions
The Raiders?!?
Ok I know its a longshot being they are division rivals but Cromartie for Michael Bush? Bush is a beast of a RB that gets no love in Oakland. Every opportunity he has gotten to start he has performed with great games. And the Raiders need another CB opposite Asomugha.
Not happening
You don’t trade starters to your rivals for their backups.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 20, 2010 6:07 AM PST up reply actions
if we’re worried about Cro coming back to haunt us, maybe we shouldn’t trade him… Plus, i thnk we would need to get something else in addition to Bush.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 20, 2010 6:54 AM PST up reply actions
Sigh
Cro is a good player, but so is Antoine Cason. When you have two good players and only one open slot, the next move should be to moe one of those players and help fill a hole you have somewhere else. Cro has a higher value (more potential), is under contract for only 1 more year (Cason is locked up for 3 more years) and has shown himself to be a bit of an off-the-field headache (throwing champagne bottles, tweeting about bad food, etc.).
The idea of holding onto every player you think is good is a foolish one. Would you rather have Cason on the bench and a crappy running game, or Cason on the field (where he’s as good as Cromartie is, in my opinion) and a strong running game?
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by John Gennaro on Feb 20, 2010 7:34 AM PST up reply actions
IS CASON REALLY THAT GOO?
I think he’s good but as good as cromartie ,no.Cro is much faster and has better hands,but I wouldn’t want to lose either of them.I also wouldn’t be opposed to trading Cro for a pick utilized to pick up a great back or to trade for a great back.We DEFINITELY need to explore all options out there and build up that RB corp.
I don’t think Cason has Cro’s potential (physically, Cro is a freak and probably has potential to be Deion II), but yes I think they’re very similar in the production you’re going to get out of them right now. Cro is really not that much faster, and Cason led the team in picks before being benched last season (meaning he has the hands).
We have 3 outside CBs and there’s only 2 spots there. Not trading Cromartie would be foolish.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 20, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions
People keep talking about Cro being the next Deion
while physically this may be true mentally they could not be farther apart. While Deion was always flashy and it seemed like he was a bit out of control at times it was always just an image. He was always great teammate, a team leader (which is saying a lot since he was typically not there to start the season) he is also incredibly intelligent (both from a book standpoint and a football standpoint) and an incredibly hard worker. He was basically Nnamdi Asomugha with Antonio Cor’s physical abilities. Cro will never have the maturity, the leadership abilities or the pure intelligence to ever come close to Deion. I really think Cro has reached his potential (which is nothing to scoff at seeing as he is a pro-bowler). I just don’t see him magically gaining the intangibles that take someone from being a good corner to an elite corner.
Until it started coming up again recently
I thought the comparisons to Deion were behind us. I just don’t think there can be a Deion-type player in this league anymore. IMO, it’s always foolish to use that comparison and anyone who does it with Cro is way off base. And it’s not so much a knock against Cro as it is just a different way of thinking about the cornerback position. Cro’s job is not to become Deion.
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SSHHHH!!! Other teams aren’t supposed to know that.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 21, 2010 5:55 AM PST up reply actions
If in fact they do trade Cro
Perhaps they could trade him for a D Lineman and a pick. It doesn’t have to be set in stone that he is traded for a RB (if he is traded at all).
I'm not sure
That any DL a team would be willing to give up would be any better than the guys we had last year. So you are basically making a lateral move at the DL position, getting a pick and losing a starting CB. Does that work for you?
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Backs like Hightower, White and Norwood
don’t work for me, I would just as soon draft a back and take my chances.
I think it would be fine to keep Cromartie, but if they are going to trade him I just think that all options should be explored, not just the RB position.
I think there is a chance we could get a D Lineman with some promise and a pick for Cromartie. I have seen the Cardinals mentioned as a team of interest, perhaps somebody like Branch and a pick would be a possibility. Branch doesn’t start for them but he is a young player who looked to be coming on a little last season and in my opinion he would be an upgrade over what we currently have. Just an example, I am not saying that it is the best case scenario.
I was with ya on the first two paragraphs
Nodding my head prominently.
But you lost me on the 3rd paragraph. They aren’t going to get a DL with promise. Branch is not that promising. I’ll take Travis Johnson or Alphonso Boone and and save myself from trading Cromartie.
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I would probably keep Cromartie
just trying to throw something besides a RB trade out there.
I think Branch will surprise some people over the next few years and become a quality starter, I may be wrong.
You guys have any interest in Marshawn Lynch?
This topic has been discussed a lot at Buffalo Rumblings…Cromartie for Lynch….
Apparently, with names like Jerrious Norwood and LenDale White being thrown around as possibilities, you don’t think much of Cro?
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Norwood, White or Lynch
would not get Cro straight up it would be one of them plus a draft pick (late 2nd early 3rd).
Personally
I would keep Cro if only for the fact that he seems to always have a big game vs Peyton Manning
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