Mort: Chargers are trying to move Antonio Cromartie
According to Chris Mortensen, the Chargers would like to get a running back in return for him, or at least an extra draft pick that would make it easier for them to draft a running back.
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Shopping Cro
Feels like when A.J. shopped Michael Turner. He did actively talk to other teams about a trade, but his philosophy of getting as much depth as possible doesn’t jive with trading players for picks. So, basically, he’s window shopping and not sure he’ll find anything he likes, but hopeful.
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i know its wishful thinking
but could you imagine trading Cro and a first for Deangello Williams and their second?
The offense would be so unstoppable.
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Why the hell would we trade our first?
We still need a nose tackle.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Feb 17, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
It's not like there will be a good enough Nose Tackle to pick there though.
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dan williams TEN?
I know the cody fellow is really fat. But nobody can move him. That’s worth a lot.
by not humble enough on Feb 17, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Dan Williams is probably gone before the Chargers pick
Cody is a pretty sketchy first round pick since he doesn’t have the conditioning to play every down. Let me go on the record that being fat isn’t the problem, not being able to get on the field when your team needs you is.
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good points.
So 1st round NT there most likely will not be. So if we really want a premier RB. Maybe like Steven Jackson, we have Cro and a 1st rounder to play with.
by not humble enough on Feb 17, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
that's the problem with all these trades things
everybody is looking for a deal. There is a lot of value with keeping cro for his last year. If we don’t draft a RB we’ll have 3 open spots. And with a wide open 3 RB set we’ll get all the best UDFAs who want to make a team. There are 100s of first and 2nd string RBs from last year and maybe there is a Mike Tolbert-like gem in the middle of them.
By the way, I think we should draft big upside OT with the first or second pick. Give him time to train. Then we can start running more.
by not humble enough on Feb 17, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
We have a big upside OT
His name is Dombrowski he is still getting time to train.
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by Wonko on Feb 17, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No
According to profootballfocus, Clary was literally three times as good as Dombrowski.
by Superduperboltman on Feb 17, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
I’m still not convinced that PFF’s numbers actually mean anything.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 17, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
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Dead-even heading into TC. Just like Vasquez/Forney, whoever plays better in TC and pre-season will get the job.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 17, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
Forney was going to have that job until he got hurt, I thought.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 17, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
He has the “inside track”, but it was still a competition. If he got hurt but then was healthy at the start of the season, he still would’ve lost because Vasquez showed a ton during the preseason.
I’d give the inside track to Dombrowski, but it’s pretty much a dead heat. Talent will play a big part in who wins the RT spot, but so will health.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 18, 2010 2:24 AM PST up reply actions
I disagree.
He’s smart, tough and plays well. But he’s not a future bulldozer. There’s a reason he was on the practice squad for a while and he’s not the starter. I mean like a guy who could replace McNeil if the chargers can’t get McNeil to sign an extension.
by not humble enough on Feb 17, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
You're still describing Dombrowski
The Chargers love his ability at LT.
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by Wonko on Feb 17, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Extending McNeill shouldn’t be a problem. Word has it that both sides have agreed to a deal, but the only thing holding it up is the CBA or Non-CBA situation.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 17, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Take him please.
I would love to see Stewart out of the NFC south.
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Given that RB is almost a plug-n-play position
I’d much rather get picks. High second round pick would be enough to make me happy. Throw in a fourth or so with that and I’d make the deal in a heartbeat.
Not sure who’d be willing though. Maybe NE with all the extra second round picks they have?
by cowbell on Feb 17, 2010 1:26 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Pretty Much
exactly what Im thinking, since when are mediocre used RBs valuable enough to trade a corner for?
Get a least a 2nd for Cro, and then draft a back.
I heard the news too.
We’ve been talking about it back at BattleRedBlog(Texan’s blog).
I was just wondering what would yall deem as a fair compensation for Cromartie?
We'll take Andre Johnson, an arm, both legs, and your firstborn child.
Wishful thinking. I don’t know that the Chargers would really look to the Texans, as they don’t have much in the way of value where we need it. Personally, I think Kevin Walter would make a fantastic Charger, but that won’t happen either.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Feb 17, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
With Walter being a UFA
The Chargers might as well pick him up.
I can supply the arm and two legs but not Andre Johnson because you know he’s Andre Johnson. What time would be crazy enough to let him go? And about my first born, I already traded that to the devil for a super bowl win this coming season.
As for Travis Johnson, I don’t see the need for him in our team. You know, since Trent Green is already retired and all.
at least
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by John Gennaro on Feb 17, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
That’s simply an acknowledgement of what a starting caliber corner is worth.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 17, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Yea
But IF the Chargers are actually wanting to trade him, its not really about whats he’s worth; but what they can get.
Just because they are shopping him doesn’t necessarily been they are “wanting to trade him”. Willing to trade him? Yes. That requires someone to offer up something of equal value though.
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by Wonko on Feb 17, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know for sure
But you see to imply that his worth is more than what they can get. I agree with you. I just don’t think they’ll settle for what they can get. They will wait until what they can get is close to what he is worth.
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An early enough pick to get CJ Spiller
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Feb 17, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
1st or 2nd rounder. or Steve Slaton.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 17, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
The fumbler.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 17, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
How much compensation in just draft picks would be enough for Cromartie
I’m a Jaguar fan and I was thinking a 2nd and a 3rd is probably realistic. Am I off?
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A mid/high 2nd should do it
Thats what I think, the homers will most than likely disagree. Of course there might be a conditional 4th or 5th in 2011 due if Cro started 14 games or something like that.
Well what I had in mind
Was a swap in first rounders between the Jaguars and Chargers. It would be an 17 or 18 spot jump and would be about the compensation that a 2nd and 3rd would be worth.
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The Chargers wouldnt be interested in trading up before the draft
You trade up to target a player, its pointless to do it before the draft. Plus I cant remember the last time we traded up in the first.
Basically a mid 2nd and a conditional late pick in 2011 is about the best in my estimation. And even thats low according to some people here who are usually pretty level headed.
That’s pretty realistic. I think getting a 2nd and a 3rd would be a steal for SD. I bet Del Rio would loathe Cromartie though.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 17, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
Cro would end up hitting himself in the foot with an ax.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 17, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
Hope AJ finds a willing partner
That non-tackle against the jets blew away that dangling thread of support I still had for Cro
Hey Guys,
Buc’em is trying trade possibilities- Would you do say Derrick Ward and a 3rd rounder?
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Hell no to that.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 17, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ehh, If you want to continue this convo:
http://www.bucem.com/2010/2/17/1314080/the-bolts-are-shopping-cromartie#storyjump
Try that.
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Also,
Shawn Merriman a trade possibility?
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Take him off our hands and give us a good player in return.
Please.
Barner + Seastrunk + Williams + Alston + Huff + Lowe...
Cromartie I think could be a good wide receiver
He doesn’t look afraid when the ball is in his hand compared to him being scared about to tackle someone
Reppin SD (Z-G)
I don't actually agree
The positions have different skill sets. But I do think Cro is the ‘Playmaker’ type. Not that he’s that good necessarily, but he wants to be on the highlight reels. He seems like somebody that wants to read about himself in the paper, and that to me is the most troubling aspect of his character because it leads to mistakes and says a lot about his attitude. Enjoying the publicity is one thing (Merriman) but it can’t be the only thing.
He would be a project, thats for sure.
He obviously has the size, hands, and speed to play. But who knows if he can run a route.
Barner + Seastrunk + Williams + Alston + Huff + Lowe...
Cro seems to me like a graduate of the Elroy "Crazy Legs" Hirsch School of Philosophy:
“It’s amazing once you’ve got the ball what fear will make you do.”
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by StrangeBroP25 on Feb 17, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Pats Pulpit...
…is willing to do one of the two following:
1) Cromartie and your 4th rounder for our first 2nd rounder (43rd/44th overall)
2) Cromartie for Laurence Maroney and our 4th rounder
I would do #2
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by StrangeBroP25 on Feb 17, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
If it's based on performance, yes.
Cromartie needs to see at least 60% of the defensive snaps AND meet some performance requirements (health, production, etc) in order to give you the 6th in 2011, if not no pick.
Cromartie is good, but he needs to be All-Pro to be worth a 1st rounder and Elite (in Patriots fans eyes…which isn’t hard since we watched Ellis Hobbes be our #1 for a season) for him to be worth a 2nd round pick. Giving you an extra pick would mean that he was beyond stellar.
by Richard Hill on Feb 17, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
Maroney’s washed up. Option 1 isn’t bad, but AJ Smith would never send a player to NE.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 18, 2010 2:29 AM PST up reply actions
Roster Bonus?
Does Cro have a roster bonus or something in his contract? If so, then our FO would want to trade him before March 5 (or whenever the specified date is) if they want to trade him at all.
Or is something as late as a draft-day deal a possibility?
Right, of course
No hurry to trade him out of town then.
I figure AJ will probably wait to see how the Sproles situation plays out before making any kind of move. If Sproles is back on a reasonably valued long-term deal, then I think taking a young mid-round back is a no-brainer compared to a trade for an older back.
You can’t make a trade until the start of the new league year anyway, I think.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 17, 2010 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
Niners Nation
is willing to trade backup running back Glen Coffee and a 2011 conditional 3rd/4th for Cromartie.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Any interest in Thomas Jones?
How about dealing NY Jets RB Thomas Jones even up for Charger WR Malcolm Floyd?
That makes no sense
Jones is going to be released (like 85% sure) because of his salary and the Chargers are already dumping an expensive older back.
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