This Smells Rank: Nose Tackles
In my previous post on nose tackles we learned are big, strong, athletic individuals who mostly come from the major college conferences and tend to make bigger impact if they are good enough to be high draft picks. So, now that we have that knowledge under our belts let's use it to look at the nose tackle prospects in the upcoming draft. Below I have some preliminary rankings of the 5 most notable nose tackle prospects:
| Rank | Prospect | College | Height | Weight | Projected Draft Rd. |
| 1 | Dan Williams | Tennessee | 6'3 | 327 | 1st |
| 2 | Terrence Cody | Alabama | 6'5 | 365 | 2nd-3rd |
| 3 | Cam Thomas | North Carolina | 6'3 | 330 | 2nd-4th |
| 4 | Torrell Troup | Central Florida | 6'3 | 314 | 3rd-4th |
| 5 | Al Woods | Louisiana State | 6'4 | 311 | 3rd-6th |
As you can see, these are all very big men and hopefully the combine will help us see how athletic some of them are. They all are from BCS conferences, with the exception of Troup (Conference USA) and 3 of them are from the SEC. As it stands now Williams appears to be the only standout at the position. Cody and Thomas have chance at being impact players, but have some work to do. Woods and Troup are the smaller of the 5 and both could probably be decent role players, the jury is still out on whether they could be starters.
1. Dan Williams
I covered Williams at the Senior Bowl with a number of comments from those that saw him practice as well as some excerpts from some scouting reports I found. You can find that here. Williams doesn't really have much to prove at the combine after rising up draft charts at the Senior Bowl. Charger fans that are interested in him would almost want his stock to slip some so he can slide to the end of the first round.
2. Terrence Cody
I also covered Cody when he was at the Senior Bowl in a similar fashion as Williams. His mostly disappointing Senior Bowl review can be found here. Cody does have an opportunity at the combine to overcome the reports on his lack of conditioning if he can shed a few pounds and perform well in some of the agility drills. Some pre-Senior Bowl mock drafts had the Chargers considering him as a first round pick, but now he would really have to be undrafted when the Chargers pick at the end of the second round for San Diego to pick him.
3. Cam Thomas
Completing the Senior Bowl trifecta, the notes I had on Cam Thomas can be found here. The notes are pretty sparse so let me add some additional notes here. He was a starter for his junior and senior seasons and an important part of the defensive tackle rotation for his freshmen and sophomore years. He's shown an ability to hold his ground against offensive lineman and shows good footwork and athleticism. He's never been a playmaker at the collegiate level in part do to former Browns head coach Butch Davis' defensive style of read and react where they didn't go on the attack much at UNC. Still, scouts were disappointed with his 23 tackles, 2.5 tackles-for-loss and no sacks in his senior year after his performance in his junior year where he put up 34 tackles, 3.5 tackles-for-loss and one sack. His good practices at the Senior Bowl helped erase that. From a Chargers perspective Thomas if Thomas can solidify his status as a 2nd round pick then he becomes a top target for the San Diego's pick in that round.
4. Torrell Troup
Troup got 3 starts his freshman season and was basically a full time starter in his sophomore though senior years. He used to go by Torrell Johnson in his first two years, but took his father's last name of Troup before his junior year. He's a much bigger playmaker than the two guys that sandwich him in these rankings. His senior year he has 12.5 tackles-for-loss, 2 sacks, 2 pass break-ups and a forced fumble. He was a disruptive force in the East-West Shrine game that was a 13-10 defensive standoff. Here is some video of him from that game. His experience facing double teams at UCF no doubt helped him when they tried to do the same to him at the Shrine game. One his biggest skills is his use of "violent" hands to jar opponents. The East coach Romeo Crennel (Kansas City defensive coordinator that specializes in the 3-4) had some words of praise for him, "Troup showed that he is a very physical and strong guy on the inside... He can push the pocket. He’s a good kid. He tries hard and does what you tell him to do. As a coach, that’s exactly what you’re looking for." The Chargers could look to draft Troup if they go for other positions in the 1st and 2nd round.
5. Al Woods
Woods was a top prospect coming out of high school, but didn't become a full time starter until his senior year. Part of that is due to the depth that that the storied school has and part of was Woods getting into better condition for his senior year shedding close to 15 pounds. The lack of experience could be an issue early on and he's already going to be 23 in March, which is old for a 2010 draftee. He's been described as equally good against the run and pass and having the combination of power and strength to manhandle opponents. Defensive lineman don't run 40 yards very often, but it could be interesting to see his 40 time at the combine since it's rumored that he could run under 5.1, which is fast for a 300 pounder. That sort of athleticism could allow him to fall back as DE in the 3-4 if he can't handle the nose kind of like current Charger Ryon Bingham. I have going as high as the 3rd because some teams may like him as 4-3 DT and draft him that high. I don't see him going that high to a team with a 3-4 defense.
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Thomas or Troup
I’ve really only seen 3 of these 5 guys play, but out of those 3 (Cody, Williams, Troup) I liked Troup the best. He reminded me of Jay Ratliff a little bit, in that he wasn’t physically imposing but always seems to be faster/strong than the guys going up against him. He played smart and with a motor, but then again I only saw one game so I don’t have the whole picture.
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Troup
Almost strikes me as more experienced Vaughn Martin, which is interesting since they don’t seem to see Martin as a future NT. So that makes me pause when I think about them drafting Troup. I’m starting to lean towards Cam Thomas as a purer NT. What kind of makes this all very interesting is that the Chargers FO, as currently constructed, has never actually drafted or developed a Nose Tackle. They inherited one of the best in Williams and never really had to go down this road. Even the coaching staff has limited experience since the DC and the line coach are both from the 4-3. I guess A.J. was probably around when the Bills drafted or developed one, but that was a long time ago and who knows how much he was involved. Maybe, the idea of drafting a prototypical NT is not even on their radar. Definitely, interesting because it sure feels to me like we need to find the next Jamal.
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Same with RB
which makes predicting the top of this draft really difficult no matter which direction you think AJ will go.
Yup, what he said
Different set of circumstances at RB. I’m fairly confident the Chargers know what they are looking for at that position.
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My guess is that the Chargers will not pick a RB until at least the 3rd round
AJ seems to like undervalued one-dimensional backs from non-traditional football powerhouses, which is why I have an odd feeling that Gerhart will be a Charger (assuming he falls to the third round).
The only reason I think that may not be true
Is that A.J. is not one for patience when it comes to getting players he likes/needs. When he needed to draft a WR and safety in 2007, he wasn’t patient at WR and somewhat reached for Buster Davis and then he traded up to get the safety he liked. If there are RBs he likes then it seems he will either take the one he wants in the 1st round or else address another position at that point and make sure he gets one he likes in the 2nd (possibly by trading up). Waiting until the 3rd doesn’t strike me as A.J. style. It may have been his style at RB when he knew who his starter was, but I don’t think he likes to wait and gamble, he’d much rather act and gamble. It also doesn’t hurt that the 2nd round in the new format will be much more likely to see trades this year since GMs will have like 20 hours to reflect on how the first round turned out.
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YEA
I agree, Id be willing to bet we go RB first day. Just for the reason that the team just jettisoned a HOF in LT, and Sproles may also join that taxi outta town. Alot of mocks have us taking Mathews in the 2nd, this sounds about right to me.
Although I want Best, but have already told myself Mathews would be the safer pick.
We are lucky in that 5 teams drafting above us probably wouldnt take Mathews.
(Dallas, AZ, Balt, Philly, GB, and OAK) GB might* although I think they want a quicker guy
Don't sleep on Matthews
He probably has more upside than Best. Best is more likely to make an impact as a rookie though. If he learns to avoid the big hit.
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Yeah I know Wonko
I want Best, but have this feeling that Mathews will be a Charger. He just fits what we need more so. We might even trade up to secure him.
It just seems that
Matthews is a better pick in the long run and won’t be bad in the short run. Seems like a high upside, low risk pick whereas best his a high risk, pretty good upside pick.
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Well,
I think The Chargers will keep Sproles, release L.T. and draft a RB like Jonathan Dwyer from Georgia Tech. If Dwyer is nnot already selcted then the bolts should take him because he reminds me of LT a lot.
by sdchargers43 on Feb 19, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
There is nothing about Dwyer
That reminds me of LT, except that his skin color is close and he plays the same position (sort of).
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Well,
I see the obligatory reach of an LSU pick…
To be completely honest, I wouldn’t actually mind if we reached to get Woods in the third.
LaMichael James + Kenjon Barner + Lache Seastrunk + Dontae Williams + Josh Huff + Keanon Lowe + Remene Alston +...
I feel like
The chargers will take Troup. They like guys who produce throughout all of college. Also he is a high-motor guy. Another quality that Chargers tend to draft. I just think “mountain” Cody would be bad news. I’ll probably be wrong in a couple years. Who knows.
by Its Mikey!! on Feb 15, 2010 11:46 AM PST via mobile reply actions
The Chargers don’t tend to pick guys up that have notoriously bad work ethics. Just the opposite, in fact. They probably value work ethic a little too much.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 15, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
That’s what I was saying. I dont think they’d draft Cody really at all.
by Its Mikey!! on Feb 15, 2010 1:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
they will pick up Jonathan Dwyer from Georgia Tech.
by sdchargers43 on Feb 19, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Based on what?
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by Richard Wade on Feb 19, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
Lets goooooo CODY!!
Maybe D.B. Smith will trade up for Cody. What else will we see? A Speedy WR/PR/KR combo… Lean OLB/DE, Conerback, a Cover MLB… I’m sure we’ll get a detailed post on needs soon enough
by Superduperboltman on Feb 15, 2010 12:51 PM PST reply actions
A Speedy WR/PR/KR combo…
Buster Davis
Lean OLB/DE…
Larry English
Cornerback
Quentin Jammer, Antonio Cromartie, Antoine Cason, Brandon Hughes
Cover MLB
Kevin Burnett
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by John Gennaro on Feb 15, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
umm...
Davis has proven absolutely nothing in his 3 years, English has potential, but we need to see another year out of him, Jammer is aging, Cro is a liability in run support/tackling, Cason needs to prove himself this coming year. Hughes, well, I got nothing on him.
by Superduperboltman on Feb 16, 2010 7:39 AM PST up reply actions
Anybody who trades up to get Cody
Is a fool in my book. A damned fool. It’s bad enough to risk a top (1st or 2nd round) pick, but to give up more than that is asking for trouble.
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The combine is definitely a big deal for him
Probably the Alabama pro day as well since everyone will want to see how he’s managing his weight.
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He better.
I’m inclined to go back through the books and find the last first/second-round pick who ran a 5.7 40-yd. dash.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Feb 17, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Don't sell him short
It’s rumored that he can run a 5.6.
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Nobody.
My research (which consists of generally-accurate sites like ESPN, Sportsline, and ‘Bama Football’s page— as well as blogs that I take with a grain of salt) consistently pegs him between 5.65 and 5.80. Let’s take the average of those times, just for argument’s sake: ~5.73.
As far as I can see, NOBODY that slow has even sniffed the seventh round in the last five years. Slowest player drafted each year since 2005:
2005: OT Trai Essex, 5.61, drafted by Pittsburgh in round 3 (93rd overall), 7th-slowest player in that draft. A little faster than Cody’s supposed fastest. Additionally, he was considered somewhat of a reach at the time (thought before the draft to be a 6th-7th rounder).
2006: OG Tony Palmer, 5.52, drafted by St. Louis in round 7 (243rd overall), fourth-slowest player in that draft.
2007: OG/OT Chris Denman, 5.62, drafted by Tampa Bay in round 7 (214th overall), second-slowest player in that draft. THE slowest player in that draft, Oregon guard Palauni Ma Sun, ran an abysmal 5.86 and was, not surprisingly, undrafted.
2008: OT Jeff Otah, 5.55, drafted by Carolina in round 1 (19th overall), second-slowest player in that draft. Best argument for Cody going high is that he, like Otah, is an immovable boulder of a player. However, Otah also had fantastic technique, whereas “Mount Cody” is basically Jabba the Hutt on the line of scrimmage.
2009: OG Herman Johnson, 5.50, drafted by Arizona in round 5 (167th overall), fifth-slowest player in that draft. Mind you, Johnson has three inches and fifteen pounds on Cody, and still posted a better time (albeit by .1-.3 seconds, depending on who you ask).
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by StrangeBroP25 on Feb 17, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
just curious
is Jared Odrick not in your top 5 NT because you consider him a DE, or do you believe these 5 NT’s are just better?
He projects as 3-4 DE at the next level
I’ve yet to see any reputable source project him as a NT in the 3-4. I think it’s because his skillset is beating one on one battles well and attacking gaps, things that, while useful NFL skills, don’t project to the Nose Tackle position unless you also have the primary NT skills (holding and beating double teams).
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I wouldnt be upset
will us taking Odrick with our 1st pick. Even though I think we have enough projects on the Dline.
i think odrick
would be an awesome pick. Yes, most sources have him listed as a DE, but his size and strength equal out with both Troup and Woods on your top 5 list, and he’s faster/quicker than both of them. Maybe he can’t play NT in the NFL, but he would definitely improve our Dline wherever he lined up.
Odrick
Is definitely a better value pick at any point in the draft than Troup or Woods (especially Woods, its not even remotely close), but he would be out of place at the NT position. I guess one way to look at it is that you could probably get by with Odrick as a NT for a while, but you’d have a shot at an even better NT in Troup or Woods after you develop them but there is a risk associated with them that they’ll never actually surpass Odrick’s ability. That’s enough to make Troup and Woods better NT prospects, but still makes Odrick the better talent at this point, a talent better used as DE or DT, but could possibly be stretched at NT.
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