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Getting to Know the Nose

While in midst of preparing a post on Nose Tackle rankings for the 2010 draft, I started to realize that a little information gathering might help give some context about what to look for in a Nose Tackle. I assume that almost all of us know that the Chargers run the 3-4 hairfence defense. I'm also thinking that almost everyone has heard of the Nose Tackle position and probably knows that for many years we have been treated to one of the best in the game in Jamal Williams. A couple weeks ago many of you also pointed out that Nose Tackle is one of our biggest needs as Jamal Williams is coming off injury and is not getting any younger. So with all this in mind I decided to ask 3 questions: 

What is a Nose Tackle?

Who are the Nose Tackles in the NFL?

Where do they come from?

Let's educate ourselves.

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What is a Nose Tackle?
On the defensive line, positions are most commonly associated with the spot that they line up. Lining up directly over the Center is called 0-technique. Lining up between the Center and either guard is called 1-technique and the gap is referred to as the A-gap. The numbered techniques radiate outward in both directions all the way up to 6. 2 and 3 are lined up on either shoulder of the two guards. 4 and 5 the shoulders of the tackles and 6 is where the TE's inside should would be. The gaps also go out in alphabetical order in both directions up to E. The Nose Tackle's job is line up as 0-technique or 1-technique and occupy those 2 A-gaps on either side of the Center. Oftentimes, this means that he gets double teamed since a run up the middle wouldn't work if someone came through the A-gap and on passing plays the A-gap is the quickest way to the QB if blocks aren't executed. The best Nose Tackles are then going to be the ones that can't beat these double teams since that sort of disruption would obviously stop a play dead in its tracks. Secondary to beating double teams is simply to hold ground. Holding ground against a double team keeps two blockers occupied while the rest of the defense works on their matchups. It also takes up space in the middle so that there are no extra holes to run through and it keeps the you and your blockers from disrupting the linebackers behind you. Typically, a Nose Tackle is most needed on 1st and 2nd downs when teams are less likely to pass. In obvious passing situations a Nose Tackle may be substituted for or may move to a 2-technique although some pass defense formations will allow for 0- or 1-technique lineman. It might go without saying, but today's NFL has more passing than ever so either a Nose Tackle will have to be versatile enough to be a productive member of the pass rush or will have to be substituted out a lot.

Who are the Nose Tackles in the NFL?

Nose Tackles are much more prevalent in the 3-4 defense. Currently, 13 teams in the NFL run a 3-4 defense and each needs at lease one Nose tackle.
Team Nose Tackles
Arizona Cardinals Bryan Robinson
Baltimore Ravens Haloti Ngata/Kelly Gregg
Cleveland Browns Shaun Rogers/Ahtyba Rubin
Dallas Cowboys Jay Ratliff
Denver Broncos Ron Fields
Green Bay Packers Ryan Pickett/B.J. Raji
Kansas City Chiefs Ron Edwards
Miami Dolphins Jason Ferguson/Pail Soliai
New England Patriots Vince Wilfork
New York Jets Kris Jenkins/Sione Pouha
Pittsburgh Steelers Casey Hampton
San Diego Chargers Jamal Williams/Ogemdi Nwagbuo/ Ian Scott
San Francisco 49ers Aubrayo Franklin

 

Where do they come from?
There may be some of you out there that think that you can just draft a Nose Tackle. That's not exactly true. To the best of my knowledge only two teams run a 3-4 and those are Alabama (under Nick Saban, a Belichick disciple) and Virgina (under Al Groh, a Parcells disciple), but even those teams don't run it as much as NFL teams do. So what colleges and conferences are producing the NFL's Nose Tackles?

Big 12 (6): Oklahoma State (1, Williams), Texas (2, Hampton, Rogers), Texas A&M (1, Edwards), Iowa State (1, Rubin), Oklahoma (1, Gregg)
SEC (5): Tennessee (1, Franklin), Florida (1, Scott), Georgia (1, Ferguson), Mississipp State (1, Fields), Auburn (1, Ratliff)
ACC (3): Maryland (1, Jenkins), Miami (1, Wilfork), Boston College (1, Raji)
Big Ten (2): Michigan State (1, Nwagbuo), Ohio State (1, Pickett)
Mtn West (2): Utah (2, Puoha, Soliai)
Pac 10 (1): Oregon (1, Ngata)
WAC (1): Fresno State (1, Robinson)

There isn't really anything definitive there. There's no Nose Tackle power house school. The 3 conferences with the most NTs are also the 3 biggest conferences. Maybe you might feel more comfortable if your Nose Tackle prospect cut his teeth in the Big 12 or SEC, but I wouldn't call it a ringing endorsement. There is a conspicuous absence of the Big East in this list, although I think Wilfork technically played in the Big East when he was in college. Also, it says a lot about Utah's big man depth since they are one of two non-BCS schools on the list and actually have 2 NFL NTs.

Let's take a look at where these guys are drafted and see if that helps.
1st Round (5): Hampton, Ngata, Pickett, Raji and Wilfork
2nd Round (3): Rogers, Williams, Jenkins
3rd Round (2): Edwards, Pouha
4th Round (2): Scott, Soliai
5th Round (2): Fields, Frankllin
6th Round (2): Gregg, Rubin
7th Round (2): Ferguson, Ratliff
UDFA (2): Nwagbuo, Robinson

Most of the NTs were not 1st round picks, but there is the highest concentration of them in the round. I also don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying that some of the best of this group are the 1st and 2nd round picks. That probably means that these guys are pretty easy to spot, which makes sense. These guys are going to be very large, but the best ones are going to have a special athletic ability to move other large men out of their way. The other ones are probably the space eaters who are useful to teams that need NT, but aren't worth spending a ton of money on.

So what does this mean for the 2010 draft? Well, I'll refer back to this post when I do my initial NT rankings.

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ringing endorsement for spending a high draft pick on NT

all the pro bowlers of the last few years where 1st or 2nd round picks.

Good rundown. Any thoughts on the differences in body type and technique between a NT and a normal DT from a 4-3? Specifically, why you couldn’t just move your large DT over the center and call him a NT?

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 11, 2010 11:51 AM PST reply actions  

I think it all comes down to

The primary responsibilities of the NT. Breaking double teams and holding your ground against double teams. It doesn’t really matter what size you are, as long as you can do both those things. Chances are though that in order to fight a double team consisting of two 300+ lb skilled lineman, you’re going to need to a be a massive individual. That’s why most NTs will be 320+ lbs, but if they could do it at 280 lbs, no one is going to complain (although they probably will be very skeptical).

Again, technique is all based on that. Footwork is going to focused on getting leverage. Same goes with any sort of arm and hands usage where you need to get good placement so that the OL can’t get a good block. A 4-3 DT will have to focus on pass rush moves or getting by OL to get to the RB, but those are secondary skills for a NT. Although, they’ll still need all those moves if they want to be elite like Jamal and break up play after play at the goal like he does/did. The 4-3 DT with lineup offset with the OL (in the A or B Gaps) and will need to focus on acceleration and moves that get him to penetrate that gap. It will be rare for a 3-4 NT to actually get a chance to attack a gap without a double team where instead his focus will be to occupy the blockers in his area.

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by Wonko on Feb 11, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice post Wonko

Strong class and deep at Dline

by AirNorval on Feb 11, 2010 12:18 PM PST reply actions  

We'll get into that

But as a preview. We see here that there is a strong tendency to get good NTs from the 1st couple of rounds. But yet, there is only one prospect that fits the bill and 3 others that would be later round guys.

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by Wonko on Feb 11, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

Guaranteed to see some reaches on big men this year

by AirNorval on Feb 11, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

"hairfence" lol

I got to that point and decided to rec. Finishing now.

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by Axion on Feb 11, 2010 12:19 PM PST reply actions  

Jamal's draft profile

I know this will be difficult because this is back in 1998 and Jamal was in the supp draft and not even in the real draft…

But does anyone know Jamal’s combine weight, draft prospectus, other information about him coming out of college?

I know he put on some weight to play NT when we switched to an NT. He was a 4-3 NT his first couple years right? I didn’t follow the Chargers that closely at the time so can someone who’s been around longer tell me about his transition from the 4-3 to the 3-4?

by cowbell on Feb 11, 2010 12:31 PM PST reply actions  

No combine stats

He was not eligible for the combine since he hadn’t declared for the draft. He had a pro day, but I don’t think we’ll be able to find those measurements.

He was a 4-3 DT with John Parrella for the first few years. Chargers didn’t switch to a 3-4 until Wade Phillips came in 2002.

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by Wonko on Feb 11, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I am pretty sure he was 305 lbs outta oklahoma st.

by BORTZ on Feb 11, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome post

Lots more like this please, particularly along the lines where the positions are more of mystery.

by Robo65 on Feb 11, 2010 2:29 PM PST reply actions  

I might do one on the 3-4 DE as well before I do some rankings for the draft

And possibly RT (since there were a fair amount of you that think we need to draft one). What other positions are a mystery?

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by Wonko on Feb 11, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

RB

Well its not a mystery. But the koolaid drinkers still think Sproles will be back. After putting down the red cause for a minute, Im guessing we’ll be double dipping at RB this year.

So there’s plently to break down back field wise.

by AirNorval on Feb 11, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think

There are many that “think” Sproles will be back. I think many are perplexed about the issue and Sproles coming back sounds about as likely as anything else.

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by Wonko on Feb 11, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Got interrupted for a sec

…Sproles coming back sounds about as likely as anything else, when no particular set of options sounds likely at all. If anybody has any frickin’ clue what exactly the Chargers are going to do when they should… wait, no, they are liars!

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by Wonko on Feb 11, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Its not very confusing

Sproles wants good money (like around 4mil per year), and the Chargers dont want to pay that.

They can either pay him 1) 110% of his 09 salary in 2010, which is a non option. Or 2) they let him hit the open market, and compete with other clubs. ( Or 3) give him a nice longterm deal before he has a chance to negotiate with other clubs)

You tell me whats most likely Wonko, in your opinion. IF you were a betting man.

by AirNorval on Feb 11, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions  

D. All of the above

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by Wonko on Feb 12, 2010 2:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I seriously can't decide between the 3 of those

Under the right circumstances they are all viable options and then iterate into different options for the other RB position. Hence, the confusing nature of it.

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by Wonko on Feb 12, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I think they'll let him test the market.

They can’t pay him $7M, and he wants to see if he can get a starter deal. I think they may end up signing him, but I’m pretty sure that if so it’ll be because nobody else wants to start him as a halfback either.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Feb 12, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

All of them

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by Aussie fan on Feb 11, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

3-4

I believe Cal runs a 3-4 defense. I think there is a chance we go after Aluala for a 3-4 DE

by Bluelightning on Feb 11, 2010 7:37 PM PST reply actions  

Alualu would need to put on weight

He’s a much better prospect as a 4-3 DT, so he’ll get drafted for that before the Chargers would feel comfortable drafting him.

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by Wonko on Feb 11, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

How often would you say you read your email?

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by Axion on Feb 11, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

About .8 times a day.

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by Wonko on Feb 11, 2010 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Good to know :)

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by Axion on Feb 11, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

haynesworth?

I guess WDC does not run a 3-4, but I thought he was the best, when healthy. Though not necessarily a nice guy.

I guess he is a DT and not a NT, but if we had him, I am sure he would be our NT. So, is there a universe of DT that could play NT well?

by jayman66 on Feb 12, 2010 12:38 PM PST reply actions  

In theory, yes

Certain DTs (like Haynesworth), I’m not sure would be happy at NT since their sack totals would most likely go down. There are a number of DTs out there that do take a lot of pride in rushing and punishing the passer.

On the other hand, guys like Rogers, Jenkins, Pickett, Scott and Robinson were all 4-3 DTs before becoming 3-4 NTs. Some of them more successful at it (Rogers, Jenkins) than others (Pickett).

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by Wonko on Feb 12, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

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