Is Jamal Williams Done?
by ZionKing on Feb 10, 2010 12:28 PM PST
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PrintWith LaDainian Tomlinson's departure already set in stone and everyone's attention on who's going to fill the spot, i can't help but ask what about our defense? Yes, we improved weekly and found ways to adapt to the run but make no mistake about it Jamal Wiliams presence was missed last season and if we ever want to have a top tier defence we're going to have to fix the Nose Tackle position. I've heard stories about Williams contemplating retirement and the if we were to take him back we'd owe him close to 5 MILLION?! I don't think thats a smart investment and it doesn't look like we have anyone ready to play there.... Vaughn Martin is coming along nicely but he looks more like an End by the way he plays and Travis Johnson is great in rotation be he's not a starter.....San Diego
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I'd say no
He planned on retiring this past season but because of the injury i think he wants to keep playing 1 more year. I do think we try and draft a DT probably round 2 but we will see.
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If he wants to play no way
You point out that he’s due to make 6mil, which is some dough. But the Chargers would be stupid not to roll the dice with the big man. IF it works out then the Chargers Dline would go from below avg to well above avg very quickly. He should be brought back for the sole reason that he takes up two spots, dude probably eats for two people too. The Chargers actually had to carry an extra Dlinemen on the roster with JWall hurt, that means if he’s back you could carry one more skill player.
2 players?
more like 3 or 4 haha
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Vaughn Martin
" Vaughn Martin is coming along nicely but he looks more like an End by the way he plays"
Considering how raw he was coming to the team it is not surprising if no one really knew where he fit. I keep hoping he makes big strides next year.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 10, 2010 6:43 PM PST reply actions
he got
1 more year
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Tough to tell.
He can still be an exceptional DT, but at his age injury is a major risk and could very well claim him early in the season again. I personally cannot foresee him playing any more than one season.
LaMichael James + Kenjon Barner + Lache Seastrunk + Dontae Williams + Josh Huff + Keanon Lowe + Remene Alston +...
He's Old....
5 Million for one season to a Nose Tackle who’s been hurt the last two seasons and turns 34 before the season even starts sounds like one hell of a risk to me. Don’t get me wrong, i Love what J-Will has done for the team i just don’t see how we’d take that kinda chance especially after how badly we failed by trying to bring LT back. I think NT needs to be our #1 priority this draft because we need an anchor for our defense and there’s more talent at the position than RB. I think NT is a lot more important to our defense than RB is right now to our offense. Sorry Jamal but i think it’s time to say goodbye…
Assuming the Chargers payroll is near what the salary cap was last year
Which is $127M divided amount 53 players. That’s an average of $2.4M per player. $5 million doesn’t really sound all that exorbitant given that. Also, running backs and NTs are different. RBs can’t usually make it past 30 or after injury woes. NTs can undergo many operations and injuries and play into their late 30s and still be effective. $5 million just isn’t that much of a gamble when the reward is 2 down player with pro bowl caliber talent.
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Does a healthy Jwall
actually means you can carry one less defensive linemen? I think it does. And for that alone he’s worth the 5mil
Sounds like there is a big caveat there
And that is: if he’s healthy.
I personally think he’s worth the $5 mill even if we aren’t sure about his health.
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Well you didnt answer the question.
If he is healthy, does that mean we can carry one less Dlinemen?
Only if Cesaire, Castillo, Bingham and Martin are all the pictures of health as well
I think we’ll probably carry at least 5 active lineman, plus one sometimes inactive and sometimes 6 active and one inactive depending on who is healthy at what time. I think that’s what we tried to do this year. There’s almost 0 zero chance that they are all healthy. Now if you guarantee me that none of them would ever get hurt, then I’d say we’d carry 5 and maybe 1 inactive, but even then, sometimes you’ll want 6 active to get a good rotation going, especially since Jamal doesn’t play 3rd downs.
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Thats a yes then,
remember that last year we had to carry 7 Dlinemen on the 53 without, Jaywall. So going back to six (and possibly as you hinted 5 active on gameday) would leave a spot for a STs player.
Now thats what I call value, if (and I know thats a if) he actually does take up two spots on the plane, and roster.
This is what actually worries me.
Williams and Castillo are injury risks. Do you really think we can just run 6 DL this year? I don’t. If we keep Martin, Nwagbuo and Johnson, and draft a NT, we have to let go of Bingham, Cesaire, Garay, Boone and Scott. A couple of those guys are rather easy to say goodbye to (Cesaire was good once, but is now done, Garay isn’t on the same level as the others), but do we really want to lose them all? It would be nice to be able to carry one of those guys.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Feb 12, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Our DL situation is a lot like our LB situaton, in fact. We might have a couple of studs, but we can’t rely on them. We do have a whole lot of bodies, mostly pretty passable.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Feb 12, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
I do think we could carry 6 DL (with a healty Jwall) on the 53 heading into next year, we tried to do just that last year. Even more surprising we tried to dress only 5 DL on gameday.
The DL is basically just alot of bodies at this point, if I had to guess the only guys I would put money on to be on the 2010 roster would be Johnson, Martin, and Castillo.
If you told me Bingham, Cesaire, Garay, Boone and Scott were gone. And we draft a first day defensive linemen.
I would be ok with a Jwall, Castillo, OG, Johnson, Martin, rookie lineup
Which is $127M divided amount 53 players. That’s an average of $2.4M per player
That would be fine if every player were to get that much but the distribution is far from being equal. Not to mention guys like MCNeil, Jackson, Floyd, Sproles and (Maybe) Merriman are all going to get deals next season… I know it’s uncapped but Spanos isn’t gonna throw money at all of his guys. I just wonder if Williams takes priority over all the other big names we’ll need to sign. Those other guys could be long term pieces for the team and jamal won’t be.
No
It’s fine even if the distribution is not even because $2.4M is a lot more than the league minimum or a lot of the smaller salaries on the roster. Not everyone gets paid like the 5 guys you mentioned.
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by Wonko on Feb 12, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yah Its been 5months since the last time
I;ve seen him play and idk if he can can play a whole year again though. We’ll see
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The same could be said of Ted Washington after 2002
He was a NT and 34 going on 35 at the time. He started 59 more games after missing most of 2002.
Greg Kragen was another good NT in the 1990s for the Broncos and Panthers. He missed most of a season at age 32 and and started 46 more games.
There has to be more of a reason than Jamal just missing a season and being an older player to think that he can’t get it done. Is it something about the triceps tear in general that makes people think he done. My understanding is that those heal pretty well with surgery and plenty of rest.
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Just insecurity.
He could be done. His permanent replacement is not on the roster. His last two full seasons weren’t as good as the three seasons before that. His position is important and hard to fill, and he has filled it well for what seems like forever. A little trepidation about his future is very much warranted.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Feb 12, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
His last two full seasons
Were still really darn good even if they weren’t up to his previous level. There just doesn’t seem to me to be any reason we can’t expect him to be at the level he was in 2007 or 2008. How many triceps can he possibly injure?
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… but I’m not touching it.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Feb 12, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
No disagreement...
… but there are some reasons to be a little unsure, and certainly we need to be looking at the future, just to be safe.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Feb 12, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
"reasons to be a little unsure" is a big step from "Jamal Williams is done"
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by Wonko on Feb 12, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Who said Jamal Williams was done?
To the best of my recollection I haven’t heard that phrased as a statement even once, on this post or any other, anywhere, ever. It’s possible somebody said it and I missed it, but that’s probably because it’s crazy to say that with any sense of certainty. Maybe a supposition for the purposes of argument somewhere, because it’s not crazy to think there’s at least some chance it may be the case… hard to confront, maybe, but not crazy.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Feb 12, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
JayWall is part of the puzzle..
but remeber we lost his backup too. that’s what started this whole mess. Ryon was part of the is it worth keeping JW scenerio. the chargers will have to find out who’s going to help reduce JW snaps. my money is on that the team will lean on Ian scott, and play a wait see who ryon and JW heal up. i’m only thinking that way, from how they kept Nick Hardwick on the sideline. because his replacement was playing well enough that they didn’t need to rush Nick back.
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