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Greetings from Arrowhead Pride!

Hey guys,

 

My name is SoCalChief17, and I'm a Chiefs fan living in SoCal, like many of you! Now I know there are a lot of different emotions running through both of us right about now, and I'd like to clear the air and say that I'm not here to bicker or fight with you. Instead, I'm here to ask you questions, and to take questions from you guys.

 

We all know what happened today. Kansas City scraped a win out in Arrowhead against Denver, and the Chargers somehow fumbled away a loss to Oakland. Many people expected Kansas City to lose today, but you had to be a real optomist if you had the Raiders upsetting the Chargers. Not that the Raiders are a bad team this year (they've beat both of our teams already), it's just that we all know how crazy good the Chargers are in December and how we expected them to keep their streak up.

 

Here are the AFC West standings as of tonight, December 5th, at 11:01 PM:

Chiefs: 8-4

Raiders: 6-6

Chargers: 6-6

Broncos: 3-9

 

As you can see, the top three teams are still very much in contention for the playoffs, even if Kansas City has a two game advantage. Plenty of things can change in the month of December. I think we can all agree that the biggest game of the season thus far takes place next sunday at 1 PM.

 

Should the Chiefs beat the Chargers next weekend, Kansas City can pull away from the AFC West race, especially if the Raiders lose. If San Diego can pull off a win, they pull back within one game of the AFC West championship. I have a feeling it's going to be a great game, one that I will certainly be in attendance for!

 

I'm sure a few of you are already heated readin this, so we'll go ahead and cut to the chase. Here are a few questions I'd like answered, if possible:

 

1) How do you beat the Chargers? On Monday Night Football in the beginning of the season, Dexter McCluster ran a punt back, Jamaal Charles made Eric Weddle look silly on a 56 yard touchdown run, and Matt Cassel hit Tony Moeaki on the goalline. We ran the ball effectively, but had little to no passing game. This game made me question Matt Cassel and everything Charlie Weis was doing to fix the quarterback. I know that San Diego doesn't have the best special teams, but we can't rely on another returned kick or long punt/kick returns all game. Would we be better off running the ball against you guys or passing the ball? Do we go for the deep ball or the quick slants? Inside runs or outside runs?

 

2) How are injuries affecting your team? I know that Gates has been banged up, though I did notice him catching a touchdown pass in the game today, possibly one of your only bright moments all day. Vincent Jackson was expected to miss at least two weeks, what are the odds we see him starting against Kansas City this weekend? I also heard that Sproles got smacked around a bit today and is recovering from a concussion. I haven't heard any reports indicating how severe it was, has anyone else?

 

3) What will the home field advantage be like? I know it won't compare to Arrowhead on Monday Night, but will there be enough fans to make a difference in the stands? How are your ticket sales this season? Do opposing teams fare well on the road against SD?

 

4) Lastly, what will make or break this game? You guys had the number one offense and defense going into the Raider game. What about now? If there is one aspect of the game that you will not win, what will it be?

 Like I said guys, I'm not here to fight or bicker. If you wanna get into a bit of trash talking its all good. Ask away :)

This FanPost was written by a member of the Bolts From The Blue community and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Bolts From The Blue editors or SB Nation.

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Why do you live here?

Why do you live in socal and support a team on the otherside of the country?

"Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women." -The Barbarian

by traceSD on Dec 6, 2010 3:09 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Or in the middle of the country?

It’s not the law that you are required to support your home team.

getting chiefy like kansas

by kc_Chiefs_31 on Dec 6, 2010 3:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Do you live in San Diego?

It takes about one month of living in San Diego to realize that 50% of this town consists of immigrants from other states…and they bring thier former hometams with them.

Give the guy a break.

by RiversMVP on Dec 6, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm a Chiefs fan living in San Diego

And I agree. Seems like most people here aren’t from here. Lived here for about 2 years now.

by BJ Kissel on Dec 7, 2010 3:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I see from your pic that you run/hike Torrey Pines

Good stuff. Chargers fans need to accept that this is the community we live in. You get a rock solid rabid fan base or good weather, never both.

by RiversMVP on Dec 7, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

You know what sucks?

Being a displaced Charger fan. Bad weather, limited availability to even go to games, and the folks back home are thinking: “Chargers…. meh.”

#feelinacertaintypeofway

by sd_Baby-B on Dec 7, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I hear that

I live in the Sacramento area. Raider-land. Half the broken-down jalopies that ride around town have enormous Raider decals in the back window that probably cost more than the car did.

Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.

by QLFixBoy on Dec 7, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

that's hilarious!

had to laugh

I love me some Shaun Smith!

by kabrink on Dec 7, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Ouch.

That’s way worse than what I’m experiencing. Here in Davis everyone are SF fans. Since the Niners have been so terrible for so long I’ve even convinced them to watch a charger game or two with me and root for us :)

#feelinacertaintypeofway

by sd_Baby-B on Dec 7, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel ya

Living in NJ with Jets & Giants fans is terrible. Plus the winters are cold and you have to stream most of the games online.

6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.

That was fast.

by SD FTW on Dec 8, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm actually from England

And when I got here I fell in love with DT and the way he hit people, kinda like our old Rugby players. I was only a kid back then.

by SoCalChief17 on Dec 6, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank goodness for this thread.

I’m ready to move on from the ugly win against Denver.

That being said, I think we (the Chiefs) lose this game. It will be fine as long as we lose in competitive fashion. If we’re blown out, I will have serious doubts about this team and reaching/advancing in the playoffs.

I eat nails for breakfast, tacks for snacks, and I sh*t nickel.

by SupremeChief on Dec 6, 2010 8:33 AM PST reply actions  

Hi there

My humble answers:

1. You can beat the Charges by following the Raiders’ game plan. Punch them in the mouth at the line of scrimmage. Heavy alternating does of Charles and Jones, followed by a few play-action passes to Bowe when the matchup is right. Pressure Rivers early and hope you can stop him from getting into a rythm early. That said, I don’t think your front 7 is good enough to do this on the defensive side of the ball.

2. Our WRs and Gates have been injured off and on all season. Rivers has been outstanding considering the revolving door of players he had to throw to. Mathews had been hobbled with a high ankle sprain all season. He was our hope to have a balanced 2-back rushing attack like yours (3 if you count Sproles on 3rd downs). Other than that, I think we’ve had the NFL-average of other injuries. Sproles was concussed yesterday, so he may be out. Not good.

3. Our home field advantage is not much of a factor. Attendance is always pretty good, and we sell out AFC West games. You’ll have plenty of fellow Chiefs fans with you next Sunday. I don’t think many teams come to San Diego worried about any home field disadvantage.

4. Turn overs and your play-action passing game. I expect you to be able to run the ball. However, if the Chargers can limit the run and not get burned on play-action, I don’t see you having much of a chance in this game. Again, turn overs.

by RiversMVP on Dec 6, 2010 9:54 AM PST reply actions  

Fair enough, thanks for the reply

1) I don’t think our front 7 is able to consistently get pressure either, which is why it’s gonna have to come from our DBs. You saw Arenas bring the pressure last week, and Berry before that. We don’t blitz much, but when we do it’s unorthodox.

2) The one thing that the Chiefs have been lucky on this season is injuries. The football Gods seem to have it out for SD and Greenbay.

I can agree on just about everything else though. Thanks for not being a dick lol.

by SoCalChief17 on Dec 6, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

and colts heh

Todd Haley on the sidelines of the Seahawks game: "He's (Cassel) becoming a quarterback."

CHIEFS WILL
BELIEVE, BELIEVE, BELIEVE!

by KC Nate on Dec 7, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Another perspective

To beat the Chargers, you have to run the ball well and get a couple turnovers, and you have to frustrate Philip Rivers, who will not give you the turnovers you need (maybe one, but a lot of his ints are punts-in-disguise on 3rd-and-no-freakin’-way). This means you must build an early lead through offense, special teams or turnovers, and accomplish two of the following:

  • Take away the run game. A lead of more than 14 points in the first quarter, or more than 10 points in the third, will do this. So will stopping Mathews and Tolbert, who are collectively just a tad better than average. The OL is good at run-blocking if Vasquez is in at RG. Green isn’t awful, but he’s not at Vasquez’s level. Sproles being injured will actually make this harder for you, because they use him for pass pro.
  • Get pressure without blitzing. This isn’t easy, but the Raiders, Rams and Seahawks did it. The Seahawks had the benefit of a home-field advantage and two ST TDs. The Rams had HFA.
  • Get a couple ST turnovers or scores. Just one of those isn’t enough: we plastered Jacksonville and Arizona and beat Houston in their house despite our Keystone Kops. But two? Yeah.
  • Cover his average WR corps, good receiving backs and legendary TE. No advice here. Most teams that have beaten SD have done it without this one.

Nothing else matters, really. The run defense is good if Travis Johnson and either Garay or Thomas is in the game (TJ and Baby Godzilla were inactive vs. Oakland, and Garay was hurt). The pass defense is very good, with solid coverage, solid pressure, and mostly solid tackling adding up to a tough nut to crack. They have been giving it up on 3rd down too often, but that’s the sort of thing that’s more statistical than indicative, even though it has a big effect on games. The Raiders used play-action to make some improbable plays. Cassel may be able to do the same, but Croyle will just get killed.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 9, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

A KC Chiefs fan here...

Please just ask any questions and we’ll be happy to answer.

3 questions for BFTB.

1.) Are you surprised about how L.T. is doing so far this season for the JETS? Do you think he was released a year to early, a year to late or was it the right time for him to go.

2.) What is your opinion of Norv Turner? I always thought he was a great coordinator, but unsure about is head coaching abilities.

3) What do you think will surprise Chiefs Nation most about the Chargers this weekened?

Thanks for your time.

I have a feeling that 2010 will be a defining year for the Kansas City Chiefs. Do we become the 2001 Patriots or footballs version of the royals??

by Cowboynchrist on Dec 6, 2010 5:05 PM PST reply actions  

hmm...

At this point I’m too perplexed by the Chargers to know what questions to ask about the Chiefs… I don’t know what I need help weighing.

Here’s one: Did you watch our game yesterday? Compare yourself to the Raiders and your ability to do the same to us as they did yesterday.

As for your questions…
1. Somewhat, I, for one, was surprised to see him doing some work early on. He definitely gained some fire, and with it a portion of his balance back, that he had lost here. I don’t believe he would have had the same success here and needed the change to inspire him.
Also, there was an article written in the local paper after LT left that detailed some surprising sentiments about him being a level of locker room cancer. A quick example from the article: There is a team tradition where any member of the team who is late to a meeting is “clapped in” as a way of giving that player a hard time. The past two years or so, when LT came in late only Gates and Rivers out of the whole team felt comfortable enough to clap. Talk about awkward turtle.
I do wish AJ would have showed him some more love, but I think it was time to let him go.
2. Yup, that’s most of our opinions on Norv Turner. It’s both a blessing and a curse. There are clear benefits. Yet there are also clear, glaring issues that seem impossible to solve because any attempts at solving them (read: replacing Norv) has a higher probability of moving the team backwards than it does forwards. So we sit and hope for the best. It’s the right play, but it hurts.
3. I can’t answer this. I’ll be just as surprised as you will. Or just as unsurprised, whatever it may be.

#feelinacertaintypeofway

by sd_Baby-B on Dec 6, 2010 11:36 PM PST up reply actions  

We were stuck with the stupid Cowboys vs Colts game

My God, why the hell can’t we watch a meaningfull game?

I was so pissed we could see Bolts vs. Raidaaaas

by cpa913 on Dec 6, 2010 11:54 PM PST up reply actions  

WorL4Chiefs, we don't post links like that here

(This is a reply to WorL4Chiefs. I expect your comment to be deleted and I assume that would also delete any replies to that comment. To be safe I’m doing it here).
I’m not sure what the punishment is, but I’d at least expect your comment to be deleted. I only get away with it because the link I post (see below) is to a news article that names sites such as the one you mentioned. If you go there you’ll find references to a couple different ones. Oh, and from what I’ve heard, if you’re unhappy with the quality of the stream you choose to watch, a near-clear one can usually be found by searching through the various sites.

#feelinacertaintypeofway

by sd_Baby-B on Dec 7, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Lame

Though we didn’t need more people rooting against us.
Oh, and there is some interesting information in this article if you have the internet…

…The end of that last line is so stupid I’m going to leave it.

#feelinacertaintypeofway

by sd_Baby-B on Dec 7, 2010 12:01 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Literacy lessons! Write for details!

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 9, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

A response ;) ...

I wanted to watch the game..but like CPA I could not.

I have always thought L.T. a great player from afar. Of course not being a Charger fan I don’t know anything about him. Not sure how well your GM is about walking away from players. From my way outside perspective I thought he had done a pretty outstanding job.

I understand… my old Coach was named Herm Edwards…loved the man…not sure bout the coach.

Guess we’ll find out sunday…

Thanks for your response!!!

I have a feeling that 2010 will be a defining year for the Kansas City Chiefs. Do we become the 2001 Patriots or footballs version of the royals??

by Cowboynchrist on Dec 7, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Answers from a guy

that many on this blog disagree with pretty routinely.

1. No, not really surprised. I admit I thought LT lost a step, but it’s more like half a step. He hadn’t been 100% for at least three years; he seems healthy now. Also, the Chargers’ system changed from a running offense that revolved around LT to one where LT didn’t get enough touches to do his thing.

2. Few will disagree that Norv is a great offensive mind. Many will disagree that he is a great, or even good, head coach. People will point to his ability (or inability) to motivate. Norv isn’t a screamer. He’s not very demonstrative. Some would call him unconcerned, clueless, lethargic, or catatonic. He motivates his own way, and that rubs some people the wrong way. He had bad teams in Oakland and Washington and he lost with them. He has great teams in SD and he wins. In fact, he has the second best winning percentage (0.612, 41-26, including playoffs) in Chargers’ history, edged out by Sid Gillman (0.614 83-51-6), and better than Don Coryell, Bobby Ross and Marty Schottenheimer. He also has as many postseason victories (3) as Coryell and Ross. But some would argue that with this much talent, his teams should have done better. It can be argued either way, but the arguments are filled with woulda coulda shoulda. Whether he is a good coach is moot; AJ Smith stands solidly behind Norv, and he ain’t going anywhere anytime soon.

3. I expect the Chiefs to be surprised by how much more difficult it will be to run the ball this time, notwithstanding the Chargers’ awful showing against the Raiders. The Chiefs’ O-line and D-line are not the quality of Oakland’s; they will have a tough time duplicating the Raiders’ success. The Chiefs will have to pass to win, and that will be tough sledding. This year, Cassel has passed for more than 250 yards once: in the blowout loss to Denver. Overshadowed by the Chargers’ monumental mistakes in the first meeting is the fact that SD outgained KC almost 2:1 (389 yards to 197). Expect that trend to continue. If the Chargers shoot themselves in the foot (again), the Chiefs will be in the game. If the Chargers play with a clean sheet, the Chiefs will find this game not at all to their liking.

Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.

by QLFixBoy on Dec 6, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for your response...

Please excuse my ignorance, but how long has A.J. Smith been the GM? Since LT and Brees were drafted or was he hired after that draft?

Seems like A.J is a pretty hard nosed GM. That’s not a bad thing, but I hope he doesn’t become like our former G.M.

My personal opinion is that when the AFC west is a tough division the NFL is better for it.

I have a feeling that 2010 will be a defining year for the Kansas City Chiefs. Do we become the 2001 Patriots or footballs version of the royals??

by Cowboynchrist on Dec 7, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

My personal opinion is that when the AFC west is a tough division the NFL is better for it.

The division winner too. I honestly didn’t remember this until now, but last year I was wishing for a more physical and competitive division, thinking that beating out tough competition all year would better prepare us for winning in the playoffs. It would sort of drill a certain mentality in the players about physicality and toughness that the coaching staff seems unable to do with just words. Perhaps we’ll miss the playoffs this year, but I gotta believe it’ll pay off in the future. I’ll gladly take missing the playoffs every other year if when we do make it we win 1-2 more games a year.

#feelinacertaintypeofway

by sd_Baby-B on Dec 7, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

AJ took over when John Butler died in 2003

AJ’s first draft was 2004, when he drafted Eli Manning, then traded him to the Giants for Rivers and draft picks that became Nate Kaeding in 2004 and Shawne Merriman in 2005. In 2004 AJ also drafted Igor Olshansky (now with Dallas), Nick Hardwick, Shaun Phillips, and Michael Turner. That’s considered his best draft by most. He also had good drafts, yielding multiple players who are still on the roster, in 2005, 2006 and 2007. His 2008 draft yielded two players still on the roster. 2009 included several players who were projects, reaches or busts. Probably his worst draft.

LT and Brees were drafted by Butler in 2001. However, it was AJ who decided that Brees, with his injured shoulder, was expendable and that Rivers was ready to start. With LT now gone, I believe the only player left from before AJ’s tenure is David Binn (long snapper, currently on injured reserve).

Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.

by QLFixBoy on Dec 7, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed

i rean an article that most draft picks lower than the 3rd round arent in the nfl anymore just after one year

by dt4ever on Dec 7, 2010 11:36 PM PST up reply actions  

2009 wasn't that bad.

English is hardly the worst waste of a pick from that draft. He wasn’t really a hit, but he’s been a legitimate contributor from the get-go, so how bad a whiff can he be?

I can’t fathom how Louis Vasquez isn’t a major hit? That guy is just flat-out dominant.

Ellison justified his draft pick by letting the team move on from Clinton Hart at midseason. Sure, he didn’t stick, but he was a pretty okay player on a 13-3 team.

Jury still out on Green and Martin; neither did themselves any great favors in the Raider game, but if you take a longer view you have to consider them reasonable uses of 4th-round picks. Undrafted Tolbert was a steal. Wasn’t Dombo from 2009 too?

So that’s two studly starters, a short-term starter who flamed out, and three or four projects/role-players, plus a share of UDFA PS’ers and interim contributors. Two years out, it doesn’t look that bad.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 9, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You got me on Vasquez

Somehow, it didn’t register with me that he’s in that draft class. English is a serviceable linebacker, but the hype was that the was a Merriman-type of game changer. The Chargers reached to get him for that reason, and the criticism was that he wasn’t worthy of the pick. From that standpoint, I think the criticism is fair; English has been okay, but not good or great. Ellison was a bargain in the 6th round, and he filled a need, but that’s all. He’s now out of football, which says more about who he replaced than who Ellison was.

I personally am still optimistic about Martin, and have been since he was drafted. I don’t mind project picks with upside. As to Dombro and Tolbert, since they weren’t drafted, I don’t consider them part of the draft. Bringing in FAs outside the draft is an important GM duty as well, but I was only looking at drafts. And as I think about, I have no idea why.

And for the record, I didn’t say it was a bad draft; I said it was probably AJ’s worst draft. IMHO, so-so drafts by AJ are good drafts for other personnel guys.

Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.

by QLFixBoy on Dec 13, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Quentin Jammer is another holdover from pre-AJ days.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 9, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

You are correct sir.

Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.

by QLFixBoy on Dec 13, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Not suprised about LT
Are you surprised about how L.T. is doing so far this season for the JETS?

LTs drop off was multifactorial: Age; milage; scheem; O-line and FB, injuries.

The two things you can’t change are age and milage, everything else can make a big difference. And in the second half of this season we are begining to see the reps slow LT down a bit. I think if the Jets passing game could improve, defenses wouldn’t be able to key on the run as much as they do. LT’s got at least 1 more year in the tank, and maybe 2 or 3 if all goes well.

by Trendsearcher on Dec 7, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed...

One of the most replaceable commodities in the NFL are running backs. L.T. has had a fantastic run. He outlasted our last two “great” backs in Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson. I also think that it is/would be hard to depart from a team icon. I know when KC traded Tony Gonzalez it was tough for me even though I knew deep down it was the right thing to do.

Thanks again for your response!!!

I have a feeling that 2010 will be a defining year for the Kansas City Chiefs. Do we become the 2001 Patriots or footballs version of the royals??

by Cowboynchrist on Dec 7, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Health and Jets OL

That’s why LT has been better. But look at how much he’s dropped off in the second half…age.

by RiversMVP on Dec 7, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I personally am surprised...

The Chiefs signed Mike Goff last year and I thought he had some hope for the offensive line. He didn’t.
 So when I saw the Chargers walk away from L.T. I thought that L.T. was pretty done. IMO I think L.T, is on his last legs of his great career.

I have a feeling that 2010 will be a defining year for the Kansas City Chiefs. Do we become the 2001 Patriots or footballs version of the royals??

by Cowboynchrist on Dec 7, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

More than anything I think it was a money & scheem thing

LTs salary was going up, and his San Diego output was going down. If you’re confronted with rebuilding, why not get a jump on it and save some money?

If the Chargers were in the Jets position: suspect QB and passing game; an O-line built around the run; a run blocking FB vs. a skills FB. I think it would have made sense for the Chargers to keep LT. That is just not how I think most people would describe the Chargers.

by Trendsearcher on Dec 8, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

More than that, even, is the timing of his injuries.

2001-2007: LT is awesome.
2008: LT gets hurt in Week 1, is average.
2009: LT gets hurt in Week 1, is lame.
2010: LT is awesome to open the season, and seems to be petering out.

So no, I’m not surprised that he’s getting the results he’s getting. He’s also offering those results to New York at half-price. We would probably have taken that deal too, if he hadn’t told us he wouldn’t.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 9, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

As I promised Gorditoe...

You guys are cool. Hope this is a good game this week!

by cpa913 on Dec 6, 2010 10:31 PM PST reply actions  

Teams that play the Raiders are 2-8 the following week...

It actually would be 1-9 if Stevie Johnson would not have dropped a Touchdown pass to beat the Steelers, but it is what it is.

Do you guys think it is the physical play of the Raiders? Do the Raiders get into their opponents heads? Do the Raiders catch teams looking ahead?

I honestly don’t know, hoping you guys have some answers.

by cpa913 on Dec 6, 2010 10:34 PM PST reply actions  

They’re in my head, that’s for sure.

I seem to remember a similar stat about the ‘06 Chargers, so if I’m remembering correctly the physical nature may have something to do with it. Though if that’s the case then why don’t the jets, ravens, and steelers have similar stats?

#feelinacertaintypeofway

by sd_Baby-B on Dec 6, 2010 11:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd be interested to see the injury reports of all the teams that played Oakland.

I wonder if the injury report for the week after the game is much larger than the one for the week. I don’t have time to research now, but if no one else does before tonight, I’ll try to come back and answer my own question.

by misterbrain on Dec 7, 2010 8:24 AM PST up reply actions  

If anything, the loss to Oakland will make us play tougher

I’m sure the coaching staff is reviewin the film with the team and beating it into their heads that they’ve got to play harder, meaner in order to win in this league. Especially at the line of scrimmage. Facing the cupcake OL and DL of the Colts was a problem, I think.

I’m not a believer in taking much from a 10 game sample size.

by RiversMVP on Dec 7, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL
I’m not a believer in taking much from a 10 game sample size.

Even if those 10 games mathmatically eliminate your from the playoffs????

I need you to give that speach to my FF league! I’ll split the winnings with ya!

by Trendsearcher on Dec 7, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Just

That he had a headache on Monday and some phrasing that I didn’t fully understand but never the less lead me to believe if the NFL had more lenient rules he would have been back in on Sunday… but I supposed you could say that about most guys were weren’t knocked into a body lock like Collie was.

#feelinacertaintypeofway

by sd_Baby-B on Dec 7, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

If I was a betting man..

I would say he probably won’t play. It’s only Tuesday though so who knows. It seems the Chargers are pretty conservative with players that have injuries (not named Antonio Gates).

by sdpads24 on Dec 7, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

The ban Woodyman gave me was pretty cheap imo. Never did I do anything uncivil.

Some smack talk but with absolute no profanity or any condescending words. Sad that that guy is very trigger happy, does he really read all comments and does he get paid?
It would be hard for me to read all AP comments LMAO, big booming community over there… I don’t know how Woddy does it. Maybe he should go outside some time.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Dec 7, 2010 5:39 PM PST reply actions  

Some of the "moderating" over there is iffy sometimes.

It’s had me pretty pissed too. Sorry man… don’t know what else to say.

Matt Cassel drives a bulldozer.

by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 7, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe Woodyman is the one who tagged me too

but I always love Chiefs Week because all the knowledgeable fans come over here.

The Padres are good, but make no mistake: we've gotta beef up the linwup.

If I had a nickel from every SBN blog that has banned me, Arrowhead Pride would owe me 5¢.

by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 11, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Autographer chaser

Explains a lot

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by HIV 2 Elway on Dec 7, 2010 7:02 PM PST up reply actions  

You have to admit

Your name, picture, and status as a Raiders fan gives you a pretty short leash on other AFC West fan sites (fair or not).

by RiversMVP on Dec 8, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Chargers are not going to roll over. I noticed some guys in the AP saying that the Chargers

seemed detached. NO. They were dominated quick, don’t try to underestimate the Raiders we just set the tone early with some nice strong hits (like the Sproles KO), the Chargers were unprepared for it.
Chargers know what is at stake, they will most likely win.
Go Chargers!!! Charged to tha Max!!
(hehe)
I will be totally honest… I would really prefer the Chargers to make the playoffs over the Chiefs. But only if somehow we drop out of the race of course.
Plus the sweep made feel good, I would totally be cool with the Chargers in the playoffs. Just not the Chiefs…

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Dec 7, 2010 5:46 PM PST reply actions  

aside from the Denver game, the Raiders were the next team I believed needed a "shalacking" from KC

I think the San Diego game will be a challenge and knowing we play better ahead, will rush for the most attempts of any previous game. This is all considering we dont get behind early on, but if KC wins this game, I honestly think we’ll run the board; barring any injuries.(knock on wood)

by CHIEFFAN82 on Dec 7, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

They knew what was at stake last time too...

And don’t worry… your hopes will be completely crushed after the Jags take you behind the wood shed this week. Chiefs move up 3 games this week and Raider and Charger fans fall off teh face of the earth…

Matt Cassel drives a bulldozer.

by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 7, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

hate to agree with a raider fan but i have to on this one

the chargers always seem to fall for the trap game…they know how important this weekends game is, they’ll be ready to play.

by dt4ever on Dec 7, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Not a trap

The Raiders dominated the line of scrimmage from the first minute of the game, then Sproles fumbled away an early defensive stop. The Raiders were not overlooked, we were straight out-played.

by RiversMVP on Dec 8, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

This.

My question for KC fans is, can your team get pressure with four guys like the Raiders could? if not, you’re in trouble. If so, you may be able to beat us up. That’s really the issue.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 9, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

this is what worries me

I’m not so sure we can. At least not consistently.

I love me some Shaun Smith!

by kabrink on Dec 9, 2010 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

If the Chargers fell into a trap game with a division rival that beat them earlier in the year...

Then they by no means deserve to win the Division… and they certainly don’t deserve a playoff spot.

Matt Cassel drives a bulldozer.

by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 8, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't get how you can say that.

The Chiefs are tied for the 4th best record in the conference. SD and OAK are tied with a .500 record, and in a year where we are just now finally seeing a fairly dominant team, to say that not one of those teams deserves a playoff spot is pretty ridiculous. If all 3 lose out (except to each other of course), then I could see how you could make that argument, but as it stands right now, we deserve at least one team.

by misterbrain on Dec 9, 2010 7:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Check the teams you played. The Chief strenght of schedule.

If the Chiefs make the playoffs, they will only get a wiff of the playoff smell.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Dec 10, 2010 12:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I love that excuse

We played the Browns which are doing quite good. Not elite but good enough to beat the Pats, Saints, ect…yet, we beat them on them on the road. We also beat the Bills which are better than their record indicates. I’ll give you the Steelers since they are one of the best teams this year. The Dolphins are much like our Bills. Other than that, we have the same exact teams. We won games we were suppose to win. You guys lost games you were suppose to win. Simple as that.

Jamaal Charles...Enough said.

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by Chiefsfan85 on Dec 10, 2010 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

HAHAHAHAHA

Bragging about your strength of schedule from UGLY wins against the Senaca Wallace led Browns and the lowly Bills. You needed OT to beat the winless Bills. The Browns have improved much, but they were still figuring out their offense when you played them. The Bills are terrible.

by RiversMVP on Dec 11, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

like I said

games we were suppose to win, we won. Enough said.

Jamaal Charles...Enough said.

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101-62

by Chiefsfan85 on Dec 11, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Possibly two
At this point I don’t feel like any team in the AFC West deserves a playoff spot, but one of them will get in.

If the Jets keep stinking it up (and I think they will).

Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.

by QLFixBoy on Dec 13, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

in what way do Charger fans fall off the face of the earth?

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by justdave on Dec 8, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Chargers might very well win this game

and I don’t think they’ll roll over.

But, I think the Chiefs are going to win the division this year and I think the Raiders will only win 1 more game this year.

I love me some Shaun Smith!

by kabrink on Dec 7, 2010 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Cool, it would make me feel awesome if it is a win against you guys. Will we sweep the Chiefs too?

That would make two losses. Will you still win the West over the Chargers?
:)

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Dec 7, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha! nice

No, I think you’ll beat Denver – if you’re lucky. Denver’s now theoretically set up to play really well now because of their coach’s firing ala Dallass.

I love me some Shaun Smith!

by kabrink on Dec 7, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I can appreciate the optimism

But there’s a better chance of Colorado falling into the ocean than oakland beating KC IN KC with the division on the line. KC was one dropped pass from winning IN oakland. Reverse the venues, and this game isn’t even close.

by Lokrath on Dec 7, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Hey, you had your chance then. Same thing happened with the Chargers.

We barely won, if not for the SD special teams sucking badly and giving us like 14 points, they win and we split.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Dec 7, 2010 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Technically

The Chargers were two slips and two dropped touchdowns during the same set of downs from taking the game to OT IN KC.

#feelinacertaintypeofway

by sd_Baby-B on Dec 8, 2010 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah if it was only the one game that would be a stronger argument

If anything, this season has proved that the loss in week 1 was NOT a fluke. If my Aunt was a man… she’d be my Uncle – score board KC’s got it.

by Trendsearcher on Dec 8, 2010 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I was using his logic

To show why his argument isn’t very convincing. I agree about it not being a fluke.

#feelinacertaintypeofway

by sd_Baby-B on Dec 8, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Division won't be on the line.

KC and JAX win this week. Then KC only has to beat either STL or TEN to absolutely guarantee the division title. We’ll be resting our starters for at least part of the game against OAK.

Matt Cassel drives a bulldozer.

by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 8, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the division IS on the line for KC this week

Loose and you go to 2-3 in the division, with a best possible out come of 3-3. Raiders are 4-0 right now. Loose and you are out of the divisional hunt. KC would still have strong wild card chances though.

Not that I want to be rooting for the Raiders in the post season.

by Trendsearcher on Dec 8, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

you win the division by winning more games than everyone else

you’re just talking about a tie breaker – which won’t be needed, imo

I love me some Shaun Smith!

by kabrink on Dec 8, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Well...

If the Chiefs and Jaguars win, it’s pretty much KC’s division, unless they lose out like the ’08 Broncos did.

If the Chargers and/or Raiders win, the team that wins the most games over the last three weeks wins the division. The Chiefs’ one-game lead is effectively a tiebreaker, so the Chiefs would have the first crack, the Raiders the second, and the Chargers the third. SOS down the stretch is:
KC: 17-19, 2 home games.
Oakland: 17-19, 2 home games.
San Diego: 9-27, 1 home game.
Somebody’s probably going to win out. The Chiefs and Raiders can’t both do it, because they play each other. So this week, and every week, is basically a playoff week for both San Diego and Oakland. If KC loses this week, they are in a (workable) race for their lives.

Wildcard hopes are not good. The Chargers and Raiders would be 9-7 if they don’t win out, and the Chiefs would be 10-6 at best if they don’t win the division, with at most 7 wins against AFC competition. That’s probably not enough this year. The only way it could happen is if the Chargers win out and either the Chiefs or Raiders also wins out (not counting the Chiefs this week), or if the Chiefs come in second at 10-6 and either the Jets, Steelers or Ravens collapse.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 9, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Oops.

If the Chiefs and Raiders win, the Chiefs would have to lose out, and the Raiders would have to lose out otherwise, for the Chargers to still be in it. The Chiefs would be able to clinch by winning the next two, or by winning one and seeing Oakland lose one.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 9, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

So:

If KC and Jax win: almost certainly KC’s division. Remember the Broncos….

If KC and Oak win: the Chiefs have the upper hand, but the Raiders aren’t done yet. They’d both have to be the Broncos for the Chargers to have a 50/50 shot at still being alive.

If SD and Jax win: It’s anybody’s game, with KC having a slight advantage over San Diego, and Oakland being down but far from out.

If SD and Oak win: It’s anybody’s game. Period.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 9, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Kinda depends on some things, but I don't think so

In a pinch, if they don’t have guys suited up during a game yes – Hester comes in at some piont.

Right now I think it goes

  1. Tolbert
  2. Mathews (if he’s healthy)
  3. Brinkley

But it is the holiday season, and I bet AJ hasn’t finished all his shopping yet. There’s always a chance that they IR Mathews, and go get another RB. RB depth is not such an issue for the Chargers. We have lots of spread and single back formations. Now the combination of WR AND RB depth… There’s the rub. And we are hurting. But we’ve been hurting all season and somehow they still put up the Offensive stats.

by Trendsearcher on Dec 8, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

No matter who's out there, so long as Rivers is the QB.

If Rivers went down, that’d be the end.

Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Richard is a jewel." - Kid Nate

by Richard Wade on Dec 8, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

btw

who is your backup? is it still volek or whatever his name is?

I love me some Shaun Smith!

by kabrink on Dec 8, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

It's Volek.

Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Richard is a jewel." - Kid Nate

by Richard Wade on Dec 8, 2010 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's a Chiefs question

Why do you guys give Jones more carries when Charles is more effective?

#feelinacertaintypeofway

by sd_Baby-B on Dec 8, 2010 9:33 AM PST reply actions  

that topic has been discussed more on AP than just about anything else...except maybe Cassel

Both of these guys are still fresh with splitting their carries all season. Jones isn’t a slouch as he is averaging over 4 YPC also. We want to keep Charles fresh and we don’t want him carrying the ball 20-25 times per game if we can get him 12-16 with more explosive results.

I think we’ll see more Charles here late in the season but Jones has a little different running style that has definitely made us a better all-around run team. We also don’t have to change up the playbook with whomever is in there. They both run the same plays although their styles are different.

by BJ Kissel on Dec 8, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

And the best part about that is it adds another layer of complexity to the offense.

We line up in the same formation and run the same play, but the defender has to remember the tendencies based on the running back that is in this time. It starts to become way too easy to keep defenses off balance just with the running game, and then you can throw in the passing game too.

by misterbrain on Dec 8, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

They aren't your classic inside-outside tandem

How do the Cheifs change up the plays for each guy? Does Charles hit the hole faster?

by Trendsearcher on Dec 8, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

In my opinion they seem to have pretty similar vision

But like you said, you JC hits the hole he can slash through pretty quickly. I think Jones sees an opening and uses his strength to get through it.

I don’t see any noticeable difference in the play calls when jones is in there. Charles is used as a receiver much more than jones with 37 receptions to just 12 for Jones.

by BJ Kissel on Dec 8, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Frank and Beans...

First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...

by SFLChief on Dec 9, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Tell us

How worried you are about Cassel’s surgery affecting this game and the following game against the Rams.

I’ll be shocked if he plays against us. So against the Rams, do you guys play him and risk a season ending injury from a sack or exertion?

#feelinacertaintypeofway

by sd_Baby-B on Dec 8, 2010 3:53 PM PST reply actions  

He ought to miss both unfortunately.

Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Richard is a jewel." - Kid Nate

by Richard Wade on Dec 8, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Not Terribly Worried

We are a run first team and as long as Croyle can avoid throwing INT I think we will be fine. I don’t see the game plan changing dramatically by any means. Many fans have wanted to see Croyle get his change and with him being a free agent next year this is pretty much his do or die if he wants to be starter again. I guess we’ll know soon enough how he does…

by Spiderwomn69 on Dec 9, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

How much confidence do you have in Brody Croyle?

Cassell can’t possibly start for you this week. That’d be on your coaching staff for risking the rest of the season, not to mention the health of their franchise QB.

Croyle was the starter a few years ago. Is he anything more than a game manager. A game manager by the name of Jason Campbell beat us twice.

by RiversMVP on Dec 8, 2010 4:11 PM PST reply actions  

Croyle actually has a much better arm and can make some throws Cassel can't

But consistency and the ability to stay healthy are problems. He’s a threat to break anytime he’s touched. I don’t see the gameplan changing all that much because we didn’t have Cassel throwing downfield all that often. Cassel just did a great job of not turning it over or throwing into coverage.

A lof of Chiefs fans have wanted to see what Croyle could do with this kind of team around him.

by BJ Kissel on Dec 8, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

You got it right BJ7.

There will be a bunch of times in this game where you will be inclined to say to yourself:

“There’s no way Matt Cassel makes that completion”.

Chiefs receivers need to be ready, because the ball is going to be arriving sooner and with a lot more mustard on them.

Croyle needs to be careful with his velocity, because too much will mean drops and deflections, and when the ball flys off receivers hands, there’s the potential for INT’s off of balls deflected into the air by intended receivers.

That said, I predict Croyle’s arm will cause somewhat of a QB controversy in KC after this game.

Croyle can simply make a lot of throws that Matt cannot, including a far more accurate long ball.

Only thing I’m worried about, is the rust factor, but once Brodie’s in a groove, he can sling it, the question is, how much will Charlie let him air it out.

This is going to be a fun game to watch.

Chiefs win though, 37-34.

And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:

"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~

"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~

"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~

by TheK-man on Dec 11, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

You speak of Brodie like he isn't a backup QB with an 0-9 record

I haven’t seen anything from him that would cause a QB controvery. My bet is he throws at least one costly pick and the controvery ends with a Chargers victory. I guess we’ll find out tomorrow.

by RiversMVP on Dec 11, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

He's never been given a start with any weapons around him.

And you don’t see what we see in KC.

Once we got the O-line and some decent draft picks, it’s been all Matt Cassel.

He’s 0-9 with a high school football team around him.

We will see tomorrow, and you will be stunned at what this guy can do with some weapons at his disposal.

I’ll look for you during the game.

And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:

"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~

"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~

"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~

by TheK-man on Dec 11, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Quick question

Have you actually seen what he can do with a lot of talent around him? Seems like an assumption to me.

by sdpads24 on Dec 11, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Here I am during the game

Not going so well for Croyle, not that Haley has trusted him to do much.

by RiversMVP on Dec 12, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

The real bummed for Croyle was the lack of success in the run game

If the KC run game could have had even an average game, I think Croyle would have done better. Going into the game I was thinking, KC might be able to get it done w/o a QB just running it.

But the stall in the running game really put alot of pressure on Croyle to win by passing. That is alot to expect from any QB, let alone a guy making his first start in two years.

by Trendsearcher on Dec 13, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

True, but I expected more out of the Chiefs

It wasn’t like the Chargers were nine in the box all day. Most downs they were 7. We did have a few seconadry blitzes, but it was like the Chargers were stacked to stop the run.

KC is built to run, I expected more. And they’ve done more in other games this season. I guess we have to give Castle more credit for thier sucess in the run game.

by Trendsearcher on Dec 13, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

If Phillip Rivers was the QB of that team from a few years ago...he'd have been 0-9 too.

Brodie’s arm is on par with Rivers. Watch carefully tomorrow.

And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:

"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~

"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~

"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~

by TheK-man on Dec 11, 2010 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree he showed some serious velocity

but for what ever reason the Coaches don’t trust him. And have not trusted him for years. Is the problem is accuracy? Alot of the throws were behind the receivers. Or is it his judgement? Or his reads? I just don’t know why he’s not getting the #1 reps, but he’s not.

by Trendsearcher on Dec 13, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I watched

What was I supposed to see again?

Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.

by QLFixBoy on Dec 13, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I wasn't watching carefully enough.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 13, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Croyle has a rocket arm

so as long as he stays patient he will have a good day. The problem is he has NEVER won a game in the NFL, his record is 0-9 as a starter i believe

by thewhitebuffalo on Dec 9, 2010 9:23 AM PST reply actions  

Tell me that about 6pm tomorrow night.

And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:

"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~

"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~

"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~

by TheK-man on Dec 11, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we'll run the ball about 60% of the time.

That should do the trick.

And now, a quote from 3 of the wisest people that I've ever known:

"The towels were so thick there....I could hardly close my suitcase." ~Yogi Berra~

"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~

"In the final analysis, the only opinion that really matters to all of us, is our own." ~TheK-Man~

by TheK-man on Dec 11, 2010 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I watched Carefully....

That’s all I’ll say. Thanks for the educational post.

by katharsist on Dec 13, 2010 8:18 AM PST reply actions  

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