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I love it that...
…even the guys on the NFL channel are clowning on it, they all know the guy’s a real DB, and I don’t mean defensive back.
"Watch out where the huskies go, don't you eat that yellow snow."- Zappa
great band, but...
I would never share my doobie with that b.
"Watch out where the huskies go, don't you eat that yellow snow."- Zappa
AFAIC
If you beat up a rich kid, you deserve a medal, not a fine. There shouldn’t be any consequences at all for this, except 15 yards.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 30, 2010 4:50 PM PST reply actions
For not doing it earlier
6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.
That was fast.
Not to incite violence
but whoever smacks that douchebag Spencer Pratt in the face, I will gladly buy that person a round of beer. Or two.
"Since we only live once (that we know of) we should focus on enjoying our lives, not stressing to follow every single thing and trend that society impose upon us." - Thom Yorke of Radiohead
by Jonathan Holmes on Nov 30, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
It's funny that Johnson cleaned Finnegan's clock
because Finnegan is a bully and a thug and he richly deserves it. But that’s all. It’s not funny that the fight broke out in the first place. Sorry, but there’s no place for this in football. The NFL has decided the offense isn’t worthy of suspension, and has instead gently assessed trivial $25,000 fines on the combatants. In my opinion, the message the NFL is sending is that they’re not all that concerned about it.
The NFL has been tough on players “for the good of the game” when it comes to substance abuse and sexual misconduct (both of which are very serious and should be sanctioned severely), with large fines and suspensions. The NFL has assessed huge fines and forfeiture of a first round draft pick for (repeatedly) unauthorized videotaping of opposing teams. In contrast, the NFL tries to discourage helmet-to-helmet contact by levying flaccid $25,000 fines against offending players (the strange vendetta against James Harrison notwithstanding). But the dollar amount involved doesn’t matter to most players; it’s insignificant. So the message isn’t “stop fighting or suffer severe consequences”; it’s more like “hey, you kids, I’ll stop this car and spank you, if you don’t knock it off.”
So now we have the Johnson-Finnegan disgrace, just days after Richard Seymour slaps Ben Roethlisberger upside the head. And the NFL assesses $25,000 fines all around, but no suspensions. (The on-field ejections probably mattered more to the players than the fines.) Although it’s consistent, it’s also preposterous. The NFL has set the exact same consequences for brawling on the field, which has nothing to do with playing the game, and helmet-to-helmet contact, which happens while making plays. By setting the exact same consequences the NFL is sending the message that they view both infractions as being just as serious. Or not serious; because they’re also sending the message that they’ll take spying on another team much more seriously than brawling or dangerous play. Even the fine assessed to Josh McDaniel for not reporting a taping incident fast enough is larger than the fines for brawling.
Whether the NFL intends it or not, they’re sending the message that NHL-style (or WWE-style) fighting makes good theater. Consequently, they will put on the appearance of not tolerating brawling, while the reality is they don’t seem serious about wanting it to stop. The NFL’s reaction is only for show, and the NFL loses credibility because of it.
Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.
Competitive infractions threaten the integrity and existence of the NFL.
The NFL has to take them seriously. Fights, the league will survive. When I was in school, “fights” like that one were an hourly occurence. if you couldn’t handle a couple pops in the head, math class just wasn’t the place to be. So it’s hard to get me worked up about two young men getting in each other’s faces and throwing a few punches.
By contrast, helmet to helmet contact and substance abuse can cripple the NFL, unlike, say, Andre Johnson giving Cortland Finnegan his comeuppance, or Richard Seymour knocking Ben Roethlisberger to the ground. From the League’s perspective, that stuff is only a problem if it becomes ubiquitous; if it only happens a few times a year, it doesn’t hurt the sport. It’s not like anybody thinks of athletes as role models anymore.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 1, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
if you couldn’t handle a couple pops in the head, math class just wasn’t the place to be.
Psssh. And those nerds in Washington think our education system is in trouble.
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Dec 1, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
I understand your point
but I can’t agree with you. The thing is, just because the NFL doesn’t view the brawls as a threat to the game isn’t an excuse for not taking them seriously. If it’s no big deal, why assess a fine at all? Why not just let it go at ejection from the game?
But it is a big deal for several reasons. For one, they ripped one another’s helmets off; after that, they were no longer protected. These are big, powerful guys who can do real damage to each other. Ask Randy Hanson if a NFL-sized guy can seriously hurt you with one punch. A broken jaw or a broken eye socket will put a player out for weeks or months. As much as we’d like to pretend these guys aren’t role models (and I agree with you that they shouldn’t be), they are. Boys and men at all levels watch the pro game. They observe and they learn.
Also, the NFL is nothing if not image conscious. They’re obsessed with their image. The NFL is constantly trying to expand the market for the game. Although we in the US delight in bloody fistfights in our hockey games, or the occasional Ron Artest rampage in the stands, the fact is, most of the rest of the NFL’s potential market (the world) is more likely to be turned off. The league needs to put a stop to this crap for image’s alone.
Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.
Perhaps it's a criminal matter, then.
The NFL shouldn’t feel the need to take on the onus of punishing criminal matters like criminal matters. “Two football players go too far in after-whistle scuffle” just isn’t the same kind of headline as “football player cheats” or “football player accused of serious crime.”
The world is not a market for the NFL, and to the extent it is, its perception as a violent game is a feature, not a bug. There could be NFL football in Canada, maybe, or even Mexico. But it’s just not reasonable to try to play American football across an ocean regularly: even the Pro Bowl is too far away, and functions as a way of compensating Hawaii for losing out on any hope of an NFL team. Besides, even if there is some market there, the niche American football can offer the world is “that violent game” where an occasional fistfight is not so much a (figurative) black eye.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 1, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Definitely, $25k is too small a fine.
Hey, you know the solution to that? $25k x 16 = 400k, right? So if you’re making minimum, $25k is a game check.
Fine guys in portions of a game check. If a guy would earn a $25k fine, take one check. If he’d earn a $7500 fine, take away 30% of a check. Then you wouldn’t see better behavior from rotational guys than from stars.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 1, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
The fine structure is not set in stone.
The commissioner can fine whomever he wants whatever amount of money he wants. Maybe he realizes that this wasn’t an act that came out of nowhere. You can see that Innegan was instigating this from the very start of the game. It was against the rules so a fine had to be levied; and had Johnson ran up to some random player, ripped his helmet off and beat him down, the fine – and probably suspension – would have been different. But maybe, just maybe, Goodell realized that Innegan simply got what he was asking for.
6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.
That was fast.
Finnegan got off easy
Way too easy for what he did, and what he does week in and week out.
Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.
*Innegan
His name is now Cortland Innegan.
6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.
That was fast.
i like it...
it sets up the question, why Innegan? …’cause andre beat the f outta him!
"Watch out where the huskies go, don't you eat that yellow snow."- Zappa
Agree with that
The whole problem would be solved if the league dips into these guys’ wallets enough. A one-game suspension seemed like a no-brainer to me. Not that anyone asked me. Or ever will.
Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.
Apparently
Andre Johnson was mic’d up for the game.
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Dec 2, 2010 5:01 PM PST reply actions
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