5 Bad Things: Chargers at Colts
At this point, I don't think we can rightfully accuse VJax of "faking it". By all accounts, media and other players, Vincent injured his calf (maybe both) during practice last week and probably wasn't good enough to start the game. However, it's a bad first step with the Chargers fans and gives everyone one more instance (against the Colts this time) for them to say "See? The Chargers don't need him."
This has been a bad year for Jackson. We're still not a year away from him getting arrested on his way to the Chargers game, and then kicking the challenge flag at a crucial part of the game, and instead of redeeming himself it would appear he's kowtowed to his agents' desire to cash in before a potential lockout. The one way in which he could leave this town on good teams is with a solid performance to end the season and in the playoffs, and that's looking less and less likely.
2. Red Zone Struggles
Here are how the Chargers fared in the red zone last night, play-by-play:
The Mike Tolbert TD was really the nail in the coffin for the Colts, so I stopped with that score. Look at all those plays before it though. Incomplete passes, runs for no gain, all against a defense that the Chargers were doing quite well against in the other part of the field. Maybe it was Philip Rivers realizing that the team didn't necessarily need 7 as much as they needed to keep the Indy crowd out of the game, or maybe it was a bad sign.
Strangely enough, this team has not been great at throwing the ball in the red zone like they had been last season. Instead, most of that weight has shifted to the goal line running of Tolbert. If we've learned anything from the Chargers playoff losses, it's that a weakness like that will raise it's head eventually unless they can find a way to get more versatile down near the goal line.
3. 3rd downs
The San Diego Chargers went 0-for-8 on possible 3rd down conversions. OH FOR EIGHT. I never thought I'd see the day when a Rivers-led offense would do such a thing, but it happened....even while El Capitan was completing more than 82% of his passes. So, what happened?
The team would probably say, again, that they were trying to just keep from handing the game away and were playing it safe (which could be backed up by the number of short-of-the-first-down passes they were throwing on 3rd down) and I'm sure that's at least part of the problem. Another could've been that Rivers was looking for his buddy Antonio Gates on 3rd down, who was covered, and didn't have time to find and throw to his 2nd and 3rd options.
4. Coverage/Quentin Jammer
At this point, we're running out of things the Chargers didn't do perfectly....so I can pick on Jammer for getting burned once or twice on double-moves. In reality, it wasn't that bad and we probably can't expect perfectly out of him. However, this is a Colts team that we could see again in the playoffs and I'd rather not see a big play down the sideline because Jammer can't stay with Garcon or Wayne. Something to work on, not worry about. Call it constructive criticism.
5. Health/Depth
Yes, this can be a bad thing too. Even though guys came back, and that's great, other key parts of this 2010 Chargers team are started to get banged up. Stephen Cooper strained his MCL, although he supposedly won't miss next week's game (I worry about him playing injured though). Steve Gregory and Donald Strickland both missed this game, and I hope they come back soon because like the ILB position there's not a ton of depth left in the secondary.
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How was Green's play bad?
Seemed pretty good to me. The lack of recognition of his performance might be bad.
I’m curious to see how Pac Stud scores this game because it seemed like PR was hit and sacked as much as Manning, he just didn’t throw the picks.
I was expecting more from Vasquez this season
I think Green played as good, maybe even better, than Vasquez had been this year.
Crap
Got confused. that was supposed to be one of the good things. Give me a second.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Tequila + Long Day
This is why Acee never comes to the late night BFTB parties.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
shhhh, I’m trying to make it sound like I’m a drunk and not actually stupid.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 30, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
It’s not hard to defend Norv Turner at the goal line. 1st down, run up the middle. 2nd down, run up the middle. 3rd down, spread out shotgun dinky dunk. I wish just once he’d do something un predictable on 1st or 2nd down at the goal line. Play action, FB dive, wild dog, anything.
Those are risky plays where you could end up giving up 3 points rather than maybe getting 7 and settling for 3.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
I'm convinced they need to give the ball to Hester more frequently.
FB dive
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by Richard Wade on Nov 29, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
I said this last night
“He’s a very good goal line back, I’m convinced.”
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by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2010 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
You don't remember writing the post game, but you remember specific things you said? Whatever, liar.
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by Richard Wade on Nov 29, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
That was earlier in the night.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 30, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Just as long as you don't mean goal line tailback
He doesn’t really get enough momentum on his for that. With an FB dive he can get a yard. They do that a lot. Not much on the goal line. I don’t think Turner likes FB dive plays at the goal line.
The National League West title was all but a lock,
Then they lost 10 in a row, ‘twas like a punch in the jock!
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Maybe the RZ is a place where we do actually miss VJ
Don’t have the numbers from last year at hand, so I could be completely wrong about this, but my memory of this is that he was a pretty reliable end-zone target once we got close (as well as the deep threat of course). Also, a healthier Gates changes things a heap as well, and the one thing LT did well last year was to score TD’s from in close.
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I think the issue this week was not having a healthy Gates
More than not having Jackson back.
by riversformvp on Nov 29, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
You're both right.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2010 7:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty sure Aussie fan is wrong.
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by Richard Wade on Nov 29, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
Prove it
or it didn’t happen :)
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I wish somebody kept red zone stats, because I remember the Chargers being very good in the red zone last year.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 30, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
We're we a stinkasaurus in the red zone the first five games?
#feelinacertaintypeofway
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Okay, I just did a quick stroll through the play-by-play from last year’s games. In 2009, SD scored TDs 37 of 66 trips into the RZ (56%). They scored FGs on 22 of 66 (33.3%). In total, they scored on 59 of 66 RZ trips (89.3%). Of the 7 RZ opportunities they didn’t score, 2 were because of turnovers, 1 was a missed FG, 3 were failed 4th and goal tries, and 1 was to run out the clock to end the game.
These numbers assume 1) I didn’t miscount anywhere – it was a quick tally; 2) NFL.com has accurate play-by-play stats. YMMV.
Their best game last year: Tennessee; they were 5/6 in the RZ, with the 6th a kneel down to end the game.
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From memory again, we struggled in the RZ early, especially when LT was out injured. When he came back he got a fair few touchdowns though he didn’t do much else, which helped increase our RZ conversion (and probably made teams more willing to bite on the play action close to the goaline as well).
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Rivers TD streak
Does anyone know the last game Rivers did not throw a TD pass? I’m pretty sure he had the longest active streak in the game.
vs Miami last year
the funny thing is, the last game before that one where he didn’t throw a TD pass? The Sproles/Scifres crushing of the Colts.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
Another funny thing is
Weddle has had a pick six in both of the last two games Rivers hasn’t thrown a TD pass.
by SoCalBoltFan on Nov 30, 2010 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
true...
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by Superduperboltman on Nov 30, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions
I wish we could have witnesed the game there...it would have been nice to celebrate in Indy...
aside from that it seems to me that in the goal line run game we just didn’t get enough push until the colts D was more exhausted. If we play like this against a similar D and a better offense we could find ourselves losing,cuz field goals don’t cut it against td’s…ie the AFC championship game vs New England.
Incomplete passes, runs for no gain, all against a defense that the Chargers were doing quite well against in the other part of the field.
I think this was largely a result of how the Colts were playing things. All night they were dropping back into coverage in order to guard against the big strike, which helped open up the running game and necessitated a lot of check downs in the passing game. Once you get down close to the goal line the field compresses so those checkdowns are no longer there and the run defenders are closer to the line and/or bigger, run oriented defenders.
Without a healthy red zone threat like Gates or Jackson to open things up or the edge speed of someone like Mathews (no offense to Tolbert), things get very compact. Combine this with conservative play calling and its harder to punch it in.
Agreed
Mathews’ two TDs were from pretty nice runs in the RZ getting the edge with his speed. Tolbert doesn’t make those plays. Tolbert is more suited to pound, especially when the LBs are playing heavy coverage. And of course, Gates and VJ are two of the best RZ receiving threats in the league. Hopefully they will all be ready to go in the playoffs, assuming we make it there… which I think we will.
Biggest bad things
Red zone struggles, 3rd down struggles. Everything else can be dealt with.
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by Superduperboltman on Nov 30, 2010 8:14 AM PST reply actions
6th Bad Thing
The bunches of you that weren’t at the meetup. For shame.
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The meetups sound fun, but...
I live in Oceanside, it would be a fairly big undertaking. Here I can cook, eat, sleep for free, drink for free (although a free beverage clause would sweeten the deal if a closer meetup was set), puke in my own toilet, and go to the yard and practice my chipping during timeouts.
BUT
If y’all want to come here for a game, that would be cool too. Mi casa es su casa.
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Fiesta del Casa de QuesaDiaz
… Or something along those lines.
by Its Mikey!! on Nov 30, 2010 12:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I live in NJ
Next meeting within 50 miles and I’m down.
6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.
That was fast.
Biggest bad might be the level of play of the WR's
I know part of it is deep coverage by the Colts, but for the first time in the season the injuries at WR were felt, 4 catches for the WR’s is not an acceptable game production, as it looks right now for the Raider game its Tutu, Naanee and Washington for the Raider game, I know Philip is great but I am concerned with the current situation.
So are Floyd and Crayton out for Sunday?
I am not so worried
For the last two games before the Indy game they were without Gates, Floyd and Naanee and the offense didn’t miss a beat. It’s important to consider that Sproles and Hester have an important role in the passing game out of the backfield. Combine that with an extra week of healing for Gates, Naanee and Floyd (I assume he’s playing in the Oakland game) and the fact that the other 2 TEs aren’t hurt and we should be fine.
The Indy game was a perfect example of Norv’s ability to scheme against what the defense is giving him. I do think that the Oak game has the makings of another trap game so we best be careful, but I won’t be at all surprised when the WRs have more of an impact due to Norv’s desire to spread the field against them.
by Alex Bourque on Nov 30, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree
Rivers didn’t throw a deep pass, and honestly didn’t need to. The Colts refused to get beat deep, so Rivers beat them short. Especially on the first drive; all passes checkdowns. The offense did produce six scores, so I don’t believe that the lack of a successful deep pass mattered. Obviously, we threatened with it all day to make space underneath. That’s enough.
Our only real black eye was in the red zone, where there’s no such thing as a deep pass.
Now, if you’re worried about not enough passes be caught by WRs, firstly remember that Rivers didn’t throw all that many passes, with Tolbert running well and being ahead for most of the game. Secondly, a completed pass is a completed pass. What does it matter where the receiver lined up in the first place? Finally, we’ve been light at receiver all year, and we’ve been able to function just fine.
by I8EtoDunbar on Nov 30, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
The other way to look at it
The WR’s weren’t good enough to get open, and it forced Philip to check down a lot, sure its good enough to score, but it harder to score if you have to take short passes to do it.
I know its a minor gripe, but lets be honest Crayton was missed on Sunday.
I think that's a defeatist attitude.
You can’t make the assumption that the WRs were the primary targets, and weren’t able to beat their men. It’s entirely possible that the checkdowns were actually short passes by design. After all, they were happening so often that some of them had to be intentional; Rivers didn’t spend too much time in the pocket hoping that a receiver would get open.
Sure, I’d much prefer that Crayton be in the lineup than not, but I still won’t buy the argument that a receiver shortage will be this team’s downfall. If we’re going down, it’ll be from a freak turnover (those fumbles instantly before the ball carrier is down, or an interception that was tipped by the receiver).
I would be supremely confident if..
Either Crayton, Floyd, or Jackson can play at their level for the KC game, looks less than 50% on all of them. Floyd is trying to play but the guy has been invisible, he’s just not himself.
I still like their chances, but without those 3, it requires a good game, with them I almost can’t see the way KC wins.
I'm not so sure either
Crayton runs a lot of the underneath routes, but those were caught anyway, so what does it matter who’s catching them? Plus, as long as you’re moving the ball down the field and getting into scoring position, it’s almost better to do it on shorter plays, especially if you’re up like we were. It kills the clock, wears down the opponent’s D and gives our D time to rest. I think this game was a simple case of managing the game and making sure we didn’t shoot ourselves in the foot like the Colts were doing.

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