AFC West Week 9 Review
The Review
San Diego Chargers
Our favorite zombie corpse from San Diego has its head out of the ground and one hand out. Still very vulnerable to a shotgun blast, but looking scary enough that the audience knows it might start doing damage soon. A momentum changing win happened in Houston as the Chargers overcame the Texans to improve to 4-5. This was a conference win and they are now 3-3 against teams from the AFC. This is also a common opponents game for tie-breaking purposes with teams in their division. It's also a second consecutive win over a would-be wild card contender.
Here's this week's game in numbers:
| Total | Offense | OPassing | ORushing | Defense | DPassing | DRush | ST |
| 48.7% | 49.2% | 126.1% | -5.0% |
-9.5% | -6.2% | -12.3% | -10.0% |
Philip Rivers went all PHILIP RIVERS and you missed it. Actually, you didn't because it was a win that wasn't blacked out. Hooray! That passing DVOA should bring a smile to your face. Its absurdly high and that's with an adjustment for the Texans 31st ranked pass defense. The special teams were also special. They were the worst they've been a win all season. Congratulations. The negative passing DVOA is pretty nice too since Matt Schaub is perhaps the third or fourth best QB the Chargers will face all season (Manning and Brady obviously being better and Orton arguably so) and the second best they've faced so far.
Here's where the Chargers stand on the season:
| Overall | Offense | Defense | Special Teams | ||||||||||||||||
| DVOA | Rank | DVOA | Rank | Passing | Rank | Rushing | Rank | DVOA | Rank | Passing | Rank | Rushing | Rank | DVOA | Rank | ||||
| 18.4% | 7 | 23.5% | 5 |
48.5% | 1 |
5.3% | 9 |
-10.7% | 4 |
-17.9% | 3 |
-1.6% | 23 |
-15.5% | 32 | ||||
Ahhhh. Right where the Chargers should be in passing offense: #1, baby. And by the Special Teams not playing up to its previous awful standard it improved slightly. Yeah, new slightly-less-awful-but-still-awful standard.
All VOA, DVOA, YAR and DYAR statistical values are developed, calculated and reported by Football Outsiders. Their explanation can be found here. Team efficiency ratings can be found here.
The Denver Broncos got to rest up on a bye week after a trip across the pond. The season numbers will look slightly different than they did a week ago due to opponent adjustments creeping in slowly.
Here's where the Broncos stand on the season:
| Overall | Offense | Defense | Special Teams | ||||||||||||||||
| DVOA | Rank | DVOA | Rank | Passing | Rank | Rushing | Rank | DVOA | Rank | Passing | Rank | Rushing | Rank | DVOA | Rank | ||||
| -24.7% | 28 |
4.3% | 14 | 40.8% | 3 |
-37.1% | 32 | 24.4% |
31 |
38.9% | 29 |
13.4% | 30 |
-4.7% | 30 |
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Awful defense and running game. Crazy good passing game. Yup, looks about the same.
The Chiefs took one on the chin going into the Black Hole and losing in overtime to fall to 5-3. The Chiefs are now 1-1 against AFC West teams and 4-3 against AFC teams.They are still in good standing in the AFC West, but have to deal with the demoralizing realization that, like the rest of the AFC West, they have lost to the Raiders.
Here's how the game went down by DVOA:
| Total | Offense | OPassing | ORushing | Defense | DPassing | DRush | ST |
| -33.3% |
-16.7% | 15.9% |
-28.4% | -8.4% |
-10.0% | -32.7% |
-25.0% |
The thing I didn't like about this game is the same thing I haven't liked about the Chiefs all season. They don't go for the jugular. They are content to hand the ball off over and over again without actually building a lead. I don't find this strategy so bad when they are facing a team that has trouble stopping the run, but the Raiders were not that team. Perhaps, part of the problem is that they don't trust their QB and when you watch him play he doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. However, the numbers keep coming up his way. In five games the passing offense has had a higher DVOA than the running game this year, and six times it's had a positive DVOA. Somehow the Chiefs will have to find a way to keep teams from staying close when the running game just isn't working as well as they'd like it to. I don't have the answer to how that's done and I'm not going to pretend to.
Here's where the Chiefs stand on the season:
| Overall | Offense | Defense | Special Teams | ||||||||||||||||
| DVOA | Rank | DVOA | Rank | Passing | Rank | Rushing | Rank | DVOA | Rank | Passing | Rank | Rushing | Rank | DVOA | Rank | ||||
| 21.2% | 5 |
12.1% | 9 |
29.4% | 10 |
9.7% | 6 |
-9.6% |
6 |
-3.3% | 8 |
-17.9% | 5 |
-0.4% | 17 |
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Losing to the Raiders should knock you off your high horse and that's exactly what happened as the Chiefs' overall DVOA went from 1st to 5th in the NFL. No problems to speak of with the cumulative offensive and defensive numbers, but the special teams grab your attention. For the first time this season Kansas City's special teams DVOA is below average. The unit was living off of its 26.1% DVOA it put up against the Chargers, but this week's stinker ushered in a course correction. Whatever happened week one had more to do with the broken unit San Diego sports and probably little to do with what the Chiefs bring to the table.
The Raiders won their 3rd straight game and their 3rd straight AFC West game to move to 5-4. They are now 3-0 vs. the AFC West. No, that's not a typo, the Raiders really did just sweep the division in its first go-around. They are now poised to take control of the division if they were to keep winning and the Chiefs were to drop a game or two. In fact, if the Raiders won out, they'd win the division on a head-to-head tie-breaker with Kansas City.
Here's what the game that gave the Raiders a winning record looked like:
| Total | Offense | OPassing | ORushing | Defense | DPassing | DRush | ST |
| 37.7% |
-1.1% |
5.1% | -9.1% |
-23.9% |
1.9% |
-45.6% |
14.9% |
So what if the previously successful running game wasn't working? So what if there was a slight issue stopping the pass? Neither was a big enough problem because the Raiders run defense buried the Chiefs. That, combined with a nice special teams showing, just enough passing and the Chiefs refusing to attempt much through the air. An optimist would point out that those are some pretty nice numbers against a divisional opponent. A pessimist would point out that the numbers aren't quite as good as the last two wins and show that there is a downward trend happening.
Here's where the Raiders stand on the season:
| Overall | Offense | Defense | Special Teams | ||||||||||||||||
| DVOA | Rank | DVOA | Rank | Passing | Rank | Rushing | Rank | DVOA | Rank | Passing | Rank | Rushing | Rank | DVOA | Rank | ||||
| -6.0% | 20 |
-8.1% | 27 |
-7.0% | 28 |
5.9% | 8 |
-2.0% | 13 |
6.4% | 17 |
-10.6% | 10 |
-0.1% | 14 |
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As I mentioned last week, the Raiders still have work to do to prove on the stats sheets that they shouldn't be judged by those early games too much. Still, despite some bad rankings in overall DVOA, Offensive DVOA, Passing DVOA and Pass Defense DVOA they aren't awful numbers, just merely bad. That's definite progress. Not to mention those actual assets of running the ball and stopping the run that the Raiders can lean on moving forward.
The Hype
Road win. Bye week. Time to get healthy. Oh, and time to spend a lot of extra time working on special teams. In fact, that's exactly what the Chargers did on their Tuesday practice. Special teams was a big point of emphasis that day and the team is determined to fix what ails them. Head Coach Norv Turner was so bold as to say that they will not have another blocked punt this season. We'll see.
As for the injury front, the bye week should be the last bit of rest to get a few guys back on the field. Larry English already participated in the game vs. the Texans and should see his role expanded in the next few games. Malcom Floyd and Legedu Naanee both have had a lot of time to recover and should be close to 100% by the time Monday, November 22 rolls around. Brandon Siler, Nate Kaeding and Antonio Gates still need some time before we can really say who will be playing when.
Some of the key words I saw as I was perusing the Mile High Report. Patience. Rebuilding, Restoration. Battered and Beat. Morale was shot. Poor decision making. Keep it simple. John Bena summarized his expectations for the second half by writing Broncos Begin 2nd Half Looking For One Good Quarter. Not a lot of optimism in this bunch and I don't blame them. I mentioned that this is now a rebuilding year for them and the fans seem to be accepting it. Well, maybe not quite in the acceptance stage yet, but at least coping with it.
There's also a little pent up frustration with what Peyton Hillis is doing in Cleveland. This is somewhat amusing considering the old impression of the Broncos plug-and-play running game. Normally the Broncos fans wouldn't care much about losing a running back and seeing him do well elsewhere. But, this year is different. It's a different coaching staff than the previous era, and they are struggling both in the running game and in the winning game. A nice little combo that allows them to get all bent out shape about week 9's unlikely hero for the Browns. It makes me giggle just a little although I'm not really sure why.
Last week I led into this section with: "The only thing left for the Chiefs to do to continue to solidify themselves as AFC West Champs is to get breathing room." That sure didn't happen. Instead of getting breathing room they got a 6'4" screaming mega-fan in a Darth Vader outfit and spikes on his shoulders standing next to them. And, what's that sound in the distance somewhere? That couldn't be thunder could it? Nah. Couldn't be.
The Chiefs can wrap themselves in the nice snuggly comfort of their easy schedule, but those games still need winning efforts put out week in and week out. Things are going to have to go a little different in the passing game or special teams or in the personnel decisions made in the running game or something. Bottom line is that they have to make sure that, when a team struggles like the Raiders did in the first half, the Chiefs can put them away. Or at least get some more breathing room.
Last week I talked about some guarded optimism from Raider Nation after their dismantling of an already mostly dismantled Seahawks squad. By now I expect that the Silver and Black are building into a full on frenzy. They got a sell out for the first time in a while, and I fully expect their fans to help the Chargers sell out their week 13 tilt in San Diego. There's still a lot of reasons to hedge bets on the Raiders this year, but what fun is that when you're a fan?
During the Chiefs-Raiders game one of the announcer brought up some interesting points about Raiders new offensive coordinator Hue Jackson and RB Darren McFadden. The announcer was talking about how Jackson went back to McFadden's college game tape and installed running plays that he figured McFadden was comfortable running. That's seems like a pretty smart way to get your talented young back more productive and more motivated. That's the kind of coaching I always suspected was lacking in Oakland. Hue Jackson is starting to change my perception. Jackson was a name on a lot of people's lips when he was in Baltimore and is a definite up-and-comer. I think I even brought his name up way back in 2008 when the Chargers were 4-8 and a few BFTBers were contemplating what coaches the Chargers could bring in if the current staff was let go. He could be a big part of how the Raiders get everything turned around and also could end up being a head coach somewhere very soon.
Looking Ahead
The Chargers have to wait until week 11 to play their next game. The Chargers' remaining schedule doesn't look too bad. They have 4 home games and 3 road ones left. Their opponents' combined DVOA is -4.0%. That's is roughly equivalent to the San Francisco 49ers who stand at -4.2% and coincidentally are one of the teams the Chargers have on their schedule.
The Broncos don't get a nice juicy NFC West team or other bottom-half coming out of their bye week. Nope. they get to host the division-leading Chiefs. They also get a few million extra Bronco-backers as Raider and Charger fans unite on their bye weeks to pull for the Blue and Orange over the Red and Yellow. By now you should know all about the Chiefs. They are strong in all areas, but will prefer to run and stop the run over all else. The Broncos don't run the ball well and can pass at a level that few other teams in the league can match. This could work well against Kansas City since the Chiefs will take their sweet time using their passing game to keep up if the Broncos were to get ahead. The hope for the Broncos is that they can come out swinging with Kyle Orton, Brandon Lloyd and the rest of the receivers and limit their mistakes elsewhere. That limiting mistakes part has been quite the challenge for this year's crew, however.
As mentioned, the Chiefs are going to Denver to look for some of that precious breathing room. This is a bit of a divisional trap game for the Chiefs because of that big time passing attack that the Broncos possess, the freshness that the bye week could give Denver and the crowd at Mile High will be anything but on the Chiefs' side. One thing you sometimes see from teams that are just starting to have success is that the NFL season becomes a grind. The wins early were so invigorating and now that losses are getting sprinkled in, spirits are a little lower, bodies are getting banged up and opposing crowds are more hostile. The journey is becoming a little more than they are used to. Leaders like Mike Vrabel, Thomas Jones, Chris Chambers and even Matt Cassel are guys that the team will need working hard to keep the younger guys focused as they try to avoid getting burned by teams like Denver playing on the road.
Just keep the party going on the East Bay. Raider fans can enjoy staying above .500 for two weeks before the reality of facing the 6th hardest remaining schedule sets in. The first test will come in Pittsburgh soon enough.
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Ummmm...
In a division that includes PHILIP RIVERS, can we really refer to the Broncos’ passing game as “crazy good”? How about “very good” or “excellent”? “Crazy good” implies that it would hurt your head to think about it, which is unfair to the Chargers since our passing attack would make your head hurt more, thus more deserving of the label.
PR17 = Painfully good.
Painful > Crazy
6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.
That was fast.
Painfully crazy good.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
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Funny thing is his DVOA is actually down from last year.
35.6% this year vs. 45.9% last year.
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"How appropriate! You fight like a cow!"
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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 10, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
M0aR fumbles, M0aR interceptions.
He had 9 ints all last year. He has 8 already.
He had 3 fumbles all last year. He has 3 already.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
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Resulting from being asked to do more with less.
But yep.
My name is Guybrush Threepwood, and I'm a mighty pirate.
"How appropriate! You fight like a cow!"
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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 10, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
What?!
He plays for us. We can’t call that “painful”! I have never been in pain watching Rivers play (with the few exceptions where he tries to scramble for the first down. How about “Awesomely”, “majestically,” or “MVP East Of The Mississipi River” good?
And if we can’t have literary criticism on a sports blog, where else can we have it?
D'oh
Should’ve been a reply to “Painfully good” above.
by I8EtoDunbar on Nov 10, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
It's painful because you have to think so hard
to fully understand the greatness that is PR17
6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.
That was fast.
I come from the future.
Who is this “Peyton Manning” that your primitive sportscasters keep discussing? Do they not know that the Chosen One is entering his prime?
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 10, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
I can understand why a Chargers fan would call it painful...
I mean I know I can’t help but laugh uncontrollably every time Rivers throws one of his patented tantrums. That must be pretty painful for you guys to watch.
^ not this
It has to do with the absurdity of his greatness.
6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.
That was fast.
It's hard to wrap your head around
why others aren’t as good as you. Ted Williams tried coaching but couldn’t because no matter how much he taught young players, they just didn’t have the ability to do what he could. It’s difficult to be a god in a man’s body.
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
by Mad_Villain on Nov 10, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's simpler than that...
Scott Hatteberg is quoted in Moneyball as saying that you can’t have a great hitter be a hitting coach. He’ll try to turn everyone into himself, not understanding that he himself is not common.
It’s a large failing of humanity; why so many of us have an inability to put ourselves in another person’s shoes.
This is just sad.
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Bloody Elbow // "Richard is a jewel." - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Nov 10, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
You can patent a tantrum?
every time Rivers throws one of his patented tantrums
Because Steve Crosby owes some royalty payments if RPR has the patent. I don’t know what PR you are watching, but I can not ever recall seeing any tantrums. In fact the Rivers interviews I’ve seen seem like the exact opposite. Are you thinking of Cryin’ Leaf?
by Trendsearcher on Nov 10, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
'Patented tantrum' is just plain silly
This goes back to trash talking with Jay Cutler, I’m sure (although by now it’s clear to most observers who the punk really was). Or maybe it’s having fun jawing with fans on the sideline. Or perhaps it’s showing frustration by flipping the ball. But when the O-line has just committed the third false start of the game on the opponent’s side of the 50, I’d say he has a reason to be a little miffed.
Maybe throwing the ball into the ground in frustration seems like a tantrum to some, but PR isn’t even in the upper tier of poor sportsmanship, never mind the Pantheon. I don’t recall Rivers mooning anyone, or spitting on a fan, throwing his helmet into the stands, flipping the bird to the crowd, disparaging (free) buffet food, or whining about the game plan or the coaches. He doesn’t dance on the team logo in the center of the field when he wins. He doesn’t over-celebrate routine plays. He doesn’t show up the other team by autographing a football with a Sharpie he kept in his socks. Hell, I don’t think PR has even complained about poor officiating. He doesn’t make excuses, he takes more on his shoulders than he really has to, and he doesn’t whine. In his interviews, he’s humble and says all the right things, about his teammates and his adversaries. He praises his teammates liberally.
And yet, somehow, he’s the most hated QB in the NFL. Here’s why: He’s competitive, he shows emotion on the field and the sideline, and the worst sin of all: he’s very, very good.
Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.
by QLFixBoy on Nov 10, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
He does argue with the officials sometimes.
Remember when we lost to Atlanta back in ’08? I think he spent 15 minutes arguing an intentional grounding call with Mike Carey.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 12, 2010 8:06 AM PST up reply actions
I don't disagree, but
Arguing with the officials isn’t the same thing as complaining about them or using them as an excuse. Every player argues with an official at one time or another; that’s bringing your gripe directly to the source. But once it’s done, it’s done. What did PR have to say about it after the game? What did he say after the Hochuli game? That’s more relevant to my point.
Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.
And upon further review
there’s a wide gulf between saying “I can’t believe you missed that call” and begging for a PI flag every time you don’t catch a ball thrown near you. This is an epidemic these days.
Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.
I know I want a penalty for something like this
I really think there should be a 5 yard variety unsportsmanlike conduct. Making the motion to throw a flag should be on the list for that. I also think kicking a flag should be switched to this.
Its also probably a good idea to show a little more respect for the officials. If you do enough to annoy a soccer official he gives you a yellow card. If you get two you are out of the game. That’s probably a little harsh, but you give out a 15 yard penalty if a player gets two yellow cards or if a team goes over a threshold.
What TO did on MNF where he yelled at an official and almost looked like he was going to attack the guy (but obviously wasn’t), shouldn’t be just overlooked. If using the football as a prop in a celebration is a bad example for the kids, then so should berating an official.
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by Wonko on Nov 12, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I thought excessive pleading WAS one of the new rules for this season?
I have not seen it called yet. But I agree a few personal foul penalties and maybe to coach / captain starts politely inquiring with the refs.
by Trendsearcher on Nov 12, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
So..
… you can’t help it AND it’s uncontrollable? More like misterrepetition.
I mean I know I can’t help but laugh uncontrollably every time Rivers throws one of his patented tantrums. That must be pretty painful for you guys to watch
'Special' Teams means those guys ride in a big orange bus, right?
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by The Land Of Real Beer on Nov 13, 2010 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
Really just one more divisional win for the Raiders seals it
They already have the tie breaker with both the Chiefs and the Chargers.
What are the odds that the Raiders can’t win one of these three games? Denver at home on the 19th seems like a very good chance for the Demon Hoard. Merry Christmas AFC West…
The Chargers could open the present early though.
They're still going to have to win games besides divisional ones.
Their remaining non-divisional opponents are Pittsburgh, Miami, and Indianapolis.
The Chargers don’t control their destiny re the Chiefs yet, but they still do with the Raiders.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 10, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Week 1... I would have said no way.
Colts are beat up, and hey the Raiders beat the Chargers. I see those two offenses as very similar. Sure it could happen.
I’m not sure how they run on the Steelers, I can’t see that one.
by Trendsearcher on Nov 10, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but
The Raiders beat the Chargers because the Chargers out-sucked them. The Raiders weren’t yet playing up to the standard that they are now setting. The Colts will not suck against the Raiders. The Colts lost this week with a positive DVOA. The are tougher than they seem.
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In Oakland?
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 10, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
We beat Pitt last year
and that was with Tom Cable calling the plays.
"We can't stop here... This is bat country."
Chiefs really could lose at Denver
They looked awful against Buffalo and Oakland. Yeah, they can run the ball and play a little defense, but they can’t pass if they’re behind, and they don’t have strong enough pass-rush for McDaniel’s offense. Orton will have time to pick them apart, and I bet McDaniels will have some tricks up his sleeve after their bye week to balance the attack. Moreno isn’t a terrible RB. This will be a good test of the Chiefs’ ability to win on the road against a team which is representative of their semi-soft opponents for the balance of the season.
Go Broncos (reluctantly).
by RiversMVP on Nov 10, 2010 11:39 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
for those of us anticipating a KC collapse
a loss at Denver would a strong indication of that. At that point I think I could stop worrying about the Chefs.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Nov 10, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The Chiefs were a classic trap team.
But now they’re frontrunners. That’s a bad recipe, knock on wood.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 10, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
Dunno about losing to Denver, but
do keep in mind that the Chiefs have not defeated a team that currently has a winning record. They are 1-1 against .500 teams and 0-2 against teams with winning records. The Chiefs do have a good DVOA, and supposedly DVOA accounts for the quality of the competition, but it’s still noteworthy that all but one of the Chiefs wins have come against teams that currently have losing records.
Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.
I'm cautiously optimistic about the Broncos beating the Chiefs.
I think the matchup is a bad one for Kansas City.
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Your running game won't be able to stop Kyle Orton.
And Cassell won’t be able to keep up. Once Orton starts having success moving the chains and gets a lead it’s over for the Chiefs. Cassell will find a way to blow it once he gets under pressure. As a matter of fact if you exclude the fluke win in week one against the Chargers, Cassell hasn’t been able to beat a team with a superior QB yet this season. Queef’s fan’s obviously don’t even know. This matchup has trap game written all over it.
by SoCalBoltFan on Nov 10, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
I make a response about the matchup
And you respond with Cassel bashing & name calling. Wow!
You do realize that Cassel had a great game against the Texans, and probably would have beat the Colts if Bowe catches that ball that hit him in the bread basket in the end zone right?
What does the opposing Quarterback have to do with that?
Well
You must realize that every QB has a great game against the Texans, and citing an instance of abject failure on the part of your number one wideout hardly bolsters your case.
Honestly I’m not sure about the Chiefs, they are a quantum leap above what I’d thought they would be going into the season and the Broncos have been much worse, but I’m not sold yet.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 11, 2010 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
Brian, you're level headed and I'm fine with that assessment
KC is still a rebuilding team. It’s not about this year, it’s about laying the founation. They have a lot of young players. Lately they’ve had a lack of ability to put away teams they should. That comes with experience. But they are consistent, in that nobody is going to blow them out. They play smart football, and except for last week, don’t generally beat themselves. I just don’t see the need to jump all over Cassel, becuase he didn’t beat Peyton Manning and Matt Schaub. Cassel was not playing on defense in those games. Cassel is a “game manager” at this point, and I’m OK with that.
Also, a trap game, usually means that you overlook your opponent, because you have a tougher matchup the following week. Does SoCal really think Denver is going to be overlooked because the Chiefs have Arizona @ Arrowhead the following week?
And lastly, I don’t come over here and refer to you all as the Dolts, or any other name calling. In fact, I recently said on MHR I was more concerned with the Chargers making a comeback than with a resurgent Raiders team. To me it’s been pretty amazing what Philip Rivers has done with the WR problems you all have had. This year has been set up to potentially be very entertaining to the end!
A trap game has one team heavilly favored
for one reason or another when the game will actually be a lot closer than most think. The majority of the public sees Denver getting run over all game by the Chiefs running attack. I think if they stack the box and manage to (somewhat) contain Charles and Jones, this game will be well within their reach. If Denver get’s a lead and Cassel has to play from behind I can see this going really bad for KC. Especially since the Bronco’s actually have a decent passing defense. It’s just a bad matchup for you guys.
BTW, Cassel’s not a game manger, Orton is. Cassel’s a back-up QB at best.
by SoCalBoltFan on Nov 11, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Also I don't go over to the Chief's site and call them them the Queefs
but we’re not on the Chief’s site, are we?
by SoCalBoltFan on Nov 11, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We have different definitions of a trap game.
In my mind the “trap” is that you weren’t expecting a team to be very good, because you were focused on a very good upcoming opponent. That’s the reason for the disconnect. Anyway, the line for that game….
Kansas City -1 At Denver 42.5
I understand not overlooking Denver, historically it has been a horrible place for the Chiefs, I always mark that one as a “L” for KC making pre-season predictions.
Many over at Arrowhead Pride agree with this:
Cassel’s a back-up QB at best
I personally think that overlooking his QB rating, lack of INTs, lack of sacks, and effort, this year, is a mistake, but I understand the other side of the argument. I would also argue that Cassel is held back by Chris Chambers’ disappearing act, lack of opportunities, and while Dwayne Bowe has 6 TDs in the last 4 games, he also has some key droppred passes.
The Chargers
don’t control their own fate, so we have to hope that KC takes the Broncos, or somebody, lightly. Actually with weather I have to think that Chiefs run game might have a better environment than the Broncos passing attack. I was thinking that the Chiefs front seven were going to be a real weakness, but the defense looks solid.
This has not exactly been the triumphalist regular season that Charger faithful were hoping for, so comments are a bit sharper than usual. I used to get annoyed with folks that called Rivers names, but now I look at it as a compliment, if he weren’t talented, they wouldn’t bother. I mean how can we not hate the Chiefs, they have reduced us to rooting for the Raiders and Broncos.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 11, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
This.
I’m not exactly in the mood to sit around and sing cumbaya with Chiefs fans at this point. Chompin’ at the bit for the rematch actually.
by SoCalBoltFan on Nov 11, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
Rec'd for this...
how can we not hate the Chiefs, they have reduced us to rooting for the Raiders and Broncos.
when we play in Dec. I want you to come over here and congratulate us for being so cool and awesome ok..
No problem
I will come over and congratulate you guys for being cool, regardless.
Hey, how is Stuckey doing for you guys?
Any day
He may actually be healthy. He’s been on the inactive list for every game this season.
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Actually
Ask and receive. Acee just wrote about the rookie today.
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The Texans have the worst passing defense in the league.
The fact that Cassel had a decent game against them doesn’t mean squat.
As far as that Colts game goes, the game wouldn’t have aven been as close if the Colts hadn’t struggled in the red zone for the first three quarters of the game. Shoulda, woulda, coulda, right?
I see this game being close and the team with the better QB coming out on top in the end.
by SoCalBoltFan on Nov 11, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Are we admitting
to this being a tainted win, what with that called-back touchdown and all?
Does this even the Hochuli score?
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Not even close.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 10, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Heck no.
1) That call was, at worst, questionable. Hochuli was wrong, plain and simple.
2) The margin was 6 points. They got a FG on that drive. A TD would have cut the margin to 2 points. Their failed 2-pointer or overtime would have been the difference-maker; since they did fail the 2-pointer, we can leave it at that.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 10, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
No
It’s almost impossible to match the hochuli score. Unless we get us an obvious call that shouldn’t have gone our way to win a championship, then I will forgive.
But onto this non touchdown, it isn’t even comparable. The refs made no mistake, Foster (and one could argue the nfl rule committee, but I won’t) did.
by sd_Baby-B on Nov 10, 2010 1:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't know there was yellow in the Chiefs' unis.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 10, 2010 1:13 PM PST reply actions
Like a shower.
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by Axion on Nov 10, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Just thought I'd quote what FBO's Quick Reads said about Philip this week:
After a short completion and a sack to start the game, Rivers went off. His next eight dropbacks resulted in eight completions, 164 yards, six first downs, and two touchdowns. It included passes to Jacob Hester, Ryan Mathews, Seji Ajirotutu, Patrick Crayton, Kris Wilson, and Randy McMichael; you know, your standard-issue replacement level targets. Sure, it was against the Texans, but this is basically Rivers taking the guys Brett Favre throws to in the jean commercials and averaging close to 13 yards per attempt. It’s a bit early for MVP discussions, but where would this San Diego offense be without Rivers in the lineup?
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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 10, 2010 2:25 PM PST reply actions
No there wouldn't be a Chargers offense w/o PR
by Trendsearcher on Nov 10, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Same thing is true about Indy.
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Agreed and that's why I think both teams need to make QB protection paramount
Neither of these guys is gonna do much dancing to daylight. You loose a Manning of a Rivers you are sunk for a long time. The Chargers and Colts really, really need to focus on protection. I don’t think the Chargers are doing enough to keep Rivers’ jersey clean.
As opposed to teams like the Raiders, Cheifs, Ravens even the Steelers. These teams are built to run. Yeah it would be great to have a guy like Flaco or Big Ben, but you don’t completely go into the tank if the front line QB is not there.
by Trendsearcher on Nov 11, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
I had a tear in my eye
when the completion streak was broken. Such beauty is a fleeting thing.
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