According to Jason LaCanfora Vincent Jackson will sign his tender by week 8
by TJBOLT on Oct 8, 2010 11:16 AM PDT
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PrintIt appears the Vincent Jackson finally understood that in a game of chicken AJ Smith doesn't flinch. So the question for everybody, what role will VJ have when and if he signs his tender?, the chargers are the number 1 ranked offense without him.
My guess is 2-4 weeks of part time duty, with the final 4 games as a starter, and a full playoff push, who would have guessed that both McNeill and Jackson could be there by the time the playoffs start. It sure didn't look possible a month ago. What your take guys?
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Here you go
http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-england-patriots/09000d5d81b2b483/V-Jax-and-Mankins-to-report?module=HP_video
this is a link to the video of Jason explaining it all.
by Adriel Bergman on Oct 9, 2010 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the video, it sure sounds like its inevitable
I really does explain the situation, it does mean that VJ would only play in 6 games, so he will basically be invisible this season.
Jason LaCanfora mentioned this on Total Access
And the NFL network crawl kept repeating the same news
VJ
Where in the world does this information come from. AJ is the soure of our issues, the guy needs to get a better understanding of how to deal with todays players….If he doesn’t he will “go down with the ship”
AJ is also the source of a perennial championship contender. I believe you’re forgetting that.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 8, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Always the brides-maid
never the bride. Would be, I’d rather not.
Uh... you know, AJ's record in the playoffs is 3-5.
That’s not terrible. The Colts and Saints needed a lot of playoff runs to get there too.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 8, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe so
but we have been a playoff caliber team about 3 years after LT got there. Being in the playoffs 8 times in the last 10 years and not even making it to the Conference championship game?
But I don’t think you can blame that totally on AJ. Coaching and PLAYERS have to take some of that responsibility… bonehead def unsportsmanlike penalties, kickers missing field goals, leaders being injured and not being a leader on the sideline…. How do you defend against things like that?
“Being in the playoffs 8 5 times in the last 10 years and not even making it to the Conference championship game Super Bowl
But I don’t think you can blame that totally on AJ. Coaching and PLAYERS and the dirty ass Titans have to take some all of that responsibility bonehead def unsportsmanlike penalties, kickers missing field goals, leaders being injured and not being a leader on the sideline, muffed punts, Marlon McCree"
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by Natrone Bomb on Oct 9, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec.
Curse you, Kevin Mawae.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 9, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Uh, 8 times in 10 years? No, try 5.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 9, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
VJ
Sorry “AJ is the source of our issues” sorry for the misspell..
I found this...
About five hours old but he says week 10 here.
This is not news
He’s just out-lining the rules. If Jackson wants to be an Unrestricted Free Agent by today’s CBA rules, which may or may not be the same later, he needs to be on the team for 6 games. For that to happen, he needs to sign before Week 8.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 8, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Taking this off front page for the reason stated above.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 8, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
The crawl for the nfl network was reporting..
That Mankins would sign by week 10 and Jackson on week 8
They should get a third either way
He still would be a free agent at the end of the season, if the compensatory system is still place, the third should be the return.
This
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by John Gennaro on Oct 8, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Jackson's agents
are still claiming that they can structure his contract in such a way that the Chargers only get like a 5th rounder. They seem to be operating under the impression that the comp picks are awarded based on first year’s base salary. I find that odd, because first of all, the formula for determining the picks is secret. Second, most people who’ve written about the comp pick system think that it’s determined by the total value of guaranteed money, not first year base salary.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 8, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
This is why there’s a system to file complains and have third-parties review.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 8, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd like to read that in print
claiming that they can structure his contract in such a way that the Chargers only get like a 5th rounder.
It seems like these agents just don’t get it. The price for V-Jax’s release has to be > 3rd for the Chargers. It seems pretty simple to me.
by Trendsearcher on Oct 8, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
They've said
that they think they can structure whatever his new deal is so the first year’s base salary is ridiculously low, thereby reducing the Chargers’ compensation pick to the lowest possible. As I said, I’m not sure how this is possible.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 8, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
They're mistaken.
Whatever they think the formula is, whatever inside information they may have, no matter how certain they think they are, they’re wrong. Jackson is a player, and the Chargers are a team. The League always sides with teams over players. If a player thinks he’s outmaneuvered his team, there better be some other team coming off as the clear winner, or some ironclad set of rules that unequivocally tells the League he’s right, or the League will fudge it in favor of the team. If Jackson tries to game the comp-pick system, all it will do is cost him up-front money.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 8, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Dumbest threat ever
Firstly these D bag agents dont even know the comp pick formula. As NB pointed out. And the one guy that is the best at predicting comps
http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/2010/03/projecting-2010-compensatory-nfl-draft.html
says that the major factor involving comps is avg salary per year. Keep in mind no one has been better at predicting comps he routinely gets 29 or 30 of the 32 right. And has even done well predicting the order within the round. So unless VJack is going to take less money, he isnt going to effect the comp at all
IMO
Not only that but
they should be worried about getting the best deal for VJ and not spending any time at all worried about what comp pick the Chargers may get.
No kidding.
Anyone else think the biggest reason this went down the way it did is because Jackson has idiots for agents?
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by Richard Wade on Oct 9, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
same agents as Revis no less
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by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Oct 9, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
So the difference being...
… That the team that signs him doesn’t surender the 3rd, the 3rd get created out of thin air? Like an expansion selection?
by Trendsearcher on Oct 8, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
The pick is given by the NFL
At the end of the third round, so the pick is like the first pick of the fourth round
Yes.
Created out of thin air and tacked onto the end of the round.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 8, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
This is why Gartrell Johnson and Tyronne Green were back-to-back picks.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 8, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
There are really 8 rounds in the draft
Including 32 comp picks awarded every year.
Jackson had darn well better sign by the indicated time. That fool left a ton of cash on the table. If he doesn’t sign, the team will have his rights again next year.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 8, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Read the link I posted above
This guy adamjt breaks down anything and everything you would ever want to know about comps
IMO
Unless the situation hasn't changed and the Chargers tender him an offer
Then compensation is dependent on the level of tender offered.
This could be one of the reasons for AJ believing he can get higher compensation if he doesn’t trade VJ for the 2nd and 4th. If he thinks there is a chance of getting VJ as an RFA next year he could slap on a 1st round tender and get a better deal that way.
By forcing VJ to sign, he at least gets 6-10 games out of him at a huge discount.
Yeah if he walks
I belive they still get a comp pick….Depending on if he is restricted or not. Can they tag him next year? Read an Ace article where he said the chargers believed they would still control his rights.
LaCanfora continues to say VJ will sign
He wasn’t as specific as the week he will sign. Source Around the League NFL network
Until I get a quote from VJ saying he wants to make sure he doesn’t get caught in this same position next season, I’m assuming the LaCanfora making assumptions.
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Normally I would agree with this
but considering LaCanfora has been the VJack camp mouth piece I highly doubt this is an assumption at all
IMO
Yup
And I doubt it was a coincidence that LaCanfora was the one that landed the VJack exclusive interview. Funny thing is Acee has been saying for weeks that the Chargers thought the CBA was on their side as far as retaining VJacks rights into 2011 assuming he missed the 2010 season that is
IMO
I think this is news based on
some recent clarification about whether guys like VJ and Mankins will continue to be Restricted Free Agents next year even under a new collective bargaining agreement. Everyone (including me) thought that RFAs in the new CBA would be defined solely based on years of service. However, there is a subtle rule that if an RFA doesn’t sign his tender and doesn’t play, he is still an RFA next year no matter how many years of service he has. Of course this all depends on what the new CBA looks like, but the thinking is that the players and union have bigger fish to fry in the current labor fight than fight for a specific exception for two of their 600 members who refused to play for millions of dollars.
Because of this, I have come to the conclusion that VJ will sign his tender in time to get an accrued season (BREAKING NEWS!!!). However, I think we can expect him to nurse a hamstring injury and be inactive every week (from the sound of his recent comments, I have come to the conclusion that his left hammy is a little tight and won’t stand up to the rigors of an NFL game… wink wink).
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Oct 8, 2010 1:23 PM PDT reply actions
This guy needs to get better representation
He played chicken and lost. He doesn’t have a contract, has 6 games of suspension to sit out, no guarantee that he won’t be in same position next year, and he’s still doing the same thing as me on game days. Suck it up, sign the tender, and make yourself useful.
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