5 Good Things: Cardinals at Chargers
I'll say this much: This game made it easy to find 5 good things, meaning it will probably be difficult to find 5 bad things about the game later today. I'll try my best though.
1. Coaching
This was a game that meant a lot more than everyone thought it would at the beginning of the season. Sometimes it's difficult to get everyone up for a game like that, but the coaches hammered the importance of this win, as well as getting on a roll to get back on top of the AFC West, into the heads of each player. Everyone played incredibly tough, even against a weaker opponent.
The actual coordinators (Norv Turner, Ron Rivera, Steve Crosby) all deserve credit for the games they called. Crosby was able to right the ship on Special Teams, as the team looked to be back where it was last year on kick coverage. Ron Rivera, realizing he was down to his 3rd-string ROLB, blitzed the heck out of Derek Anderson and Max Hall with Kevin Burnett. Norv Turner's play-call was picture-perfect, and on the two long passes to Antonio Gates, Norv caught the Cardinals with eight-in-the-box and playing man-to-man.
There wasn't a better coached team in the league yesterday.
2. Pass Rush
NINE SACKS. That is a gigantic number. Shaun Phillips was destroying the Cardinals RT all day, but they never seemed to double-team him because they had to be prepared for the blitzes Rivera was sending up the middle. The team brought pressure from any and everywhere, resulting in sacks from seeming everyone:
- Shaun Phillips - 4 sacks
- Kevin Burnett - 2 sacks
- Travis Johnson - 1 sack
- Antonio Garay - 1 sack
- Jyles Tucker - 1 sack
That last name surprised a few people, didn't it? Well, don't think Jyles just walked into an easy one. He didn't get time on the field until the 2nd half, but once he was in there he had Max Hall running for his life on just about every pass play.
3. Pass Protection
In stark contrast to the Chargers, the Cardinals couldn't get anything resembling a pass-rush against Philip Rivers. He was sacked once, but it was after holding the ball for about 15 seconds (coverage sack) on a play where he should have thrown the ball away but was surprised that the defender got to him so quickly.
It all started with the running game. It had to become the Cardinals #1 concern, meaning that they couldn't blitz for fear of leaving big holes behind for the RB to run through. Also, once they started bringing 8 guys into the box to stop the run Rivers started hitting Gates downfield so they had to worry about over-the-top coverage. All of this worrying about being at the line of scrimmage and covering 20+ yards downfield left Arizona with very little to work with in terms of rushing the passer.
In a nutshell, Philip Rivers had all day to throw.
4. Running Game
Let's get the LaDainian Tomlinson thing out of the way first. I saw him beating up on the Bills, and I heard whoever the commentator for the game say this (paraphrased):
When we sat down with LT on Friday, he said that for the last two years with the Chargers he was injured in the first game of the year and never felt right after that. He said that this is the first time he's felt healthy since mid-2007.
Huh, that's funny. I could have sworn Tomlinson said the reason he wasn't very good since mid-2007 was because his offensive line in San Diego wasn't very good. How puzzling.
Anyways, Tomlinson had a good game beating up on the Buffalo Bills run defense (ranked 32nd) while Mike Tolbert and Ryan Mathews had a good game beating up on the Arizona Cardinals defense (30th). I really don't see any reason to bring up the LT thing right now.
On a side note, I think everyone was a little surprised to see Mike Tolbert get the start and Ryan Mathews playing the role of change-of-pace back. I tend to think that the success they had with that formula had a lot to do with the Cardinals being terrible at stopping the run, but it certainly opened up my eyes to the possibilities of giving Tolbert more carries and maybe letting Mathews mature into the role of starter over the next few weeks.
- Mike Tolbert - 16 carries, 100 rush yards, 1 rush TD, 2 catches, 3 rec yards.
- Ryan Mathews - 9 carries, 55 rush yards, 1 rush TD, 1 catch, 13 rec yards.
5. Rivers is to Gates what Stockton was to Malone
I don't know how many of you are, or were, NBA fans but I'd like to make a comparison. John Stockton was this annoying and scrawny white Point Guard for the Utah Jazz for about 15 years. It seemed like the entire time he was there, Karl Malone (big black Power Forward from Arkansas or something) was there too. These two seemingly mismatched people made up maybe the most lethal combination in the history on the NBA because they seemed to share one brain. They worked together, endlessly, and when everyone else on the court was trying to figure out when and how Stockton-to-Malone to happen ... it just did. In the blink of a eye, in a situation nobody imagined it, Malone would have the ball in his hands and would be laying the ball in for two points. I hated the Jazz with these guys on it, but to watch was a thing of beauty.
Rivers and Gates are starting to remind me of that pairing. They've been together their entire careers and while they get older they're performing better because the connection they have grows stronger every game. At this point, Gates could probably tell you at any given second what Philip is thinking and visa versa. They're that close, mentally, and along with their raw talent, it makes them almost unstoppable. This is why, even when the Cardinals are coming into the game saying "At the very least we have to stop Gates, he's having a monster season", Antonio ends the game with stats like these:
- Gates - 7 catches, 144 yards, 2 TDs. Average yards per catch? 20.6.
Sit back and enjoy, kids. Pairings like Stockton-to-Malone or Rivers-to-Gates do not come along very often, and you'll never grow tired of watching them.
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Side note
Anybody else think that Ryan Mathews elbow injury may have been Norv’s crafty way of helping him to hold onto the ball?
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1. because it has a brace under it, so it’s quite heavy/hard.
2. it makes it much more difficult to poke the ball out from behind.
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A+
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by John Gennaro on Oct 4, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I was shocked when I seen it too.
I was like – I don’t remember him having an elbow/arm issue. But anyways I agree with the analysis that maybe Turner is gonna ease Mattews into the starting role over the course of the season since he may be a little shell-shocked with his own performance in the 1st two games. I thinks its a smart move and something that we can afford to do.
Matthews is still the only back we have that is capable of making every run and also contribute in the passing game. I don’t know about his ability to pick up blitzes but that usually takes time to pickup anyways.
Tolbert’s not real good at picking up blitzes either. This is why Sproles is in during the 2 minute drill.
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He did good yesterday
I don’t think he missed a single one.
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by Superduperboltman on Oct 4, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
There weren’t many passes and there weren’t many blitzes. I’m not saying he’s terrible, he’s just not great.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 4, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Can I cast a vote for Dolts?
Chargers fans – come on, not everyone was watching the Padres – sell out the stinkin’ stadium! I pay for season tickets, but can’t go to the games (kids aren’t old enough to be left alone all day). It chaps my hide to no end to write the honkin’ large check out to the Chargers and not be able to watch the game. What’s going to be the excuse for not selling out against the Patriots and the Titans?
by Chargers Chickee on Oct 4, 2010 8:40 AM PDT reply actions
wait so you're upset about people not going to the game because you couldn't watch it on TV........?
by dulciusXasperis on Oct 4, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
People are always willing to accept their own excuses
While lambasting others for using the same. Human nature or something. Fact is, it’s a down economy and there are too many seats to sell. Also, the Cards kind of suck. I’m not going to pay for tickets, gas, and lodging and drive five hours to watch that game, even if I could afford it. Instead I pay $30 per month for Sunday Ticket. It’s the better economic choice.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
I pay for sunday ticket too
If they are going to blackout the game they should refund me a couple dollars.
IMO
Yeah
I’m out of market so they can’t get me.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Fact is, it’s a down economy and there are too many seats to sell.
Truth is, I was planning on going to the game until I saw all the bills I had to pay last Friday. Economy snubbed me too.
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Hello, READ the post already
I PAY for season tickets. I’m not accepting my own excuses – I’m writing the f-ing check, so yes, I want to be able to watch the game if I can’t go. PLUS I pay for Sunday Ticket AND I’m getting blacked out there too. I’m less chapped at the out of market fans – I’m REAL chapped at my fellow San Diegans who are the first ones on and off the bandwagon who’ll run out today and buy their knockoff Phillips jersey and beat their chests about what great fans they are, but won’t be bothered to buy a ticket.
by Chargers Chickee on Oct 4, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
It sounds like
Your problem is with the blackout rules. People are broke. Football is a leisure activity. If it comes down to paying for a leisure activity or paying the bills, you pay the bills. That’s just life. If you’re so upset about it, you should spend the money for Sunday Ticket on a babysitter so you can go to the game. At least you’ll get to see it. I’m sure you have a reason not to do that, just like everyone else. I’m just saying your situation isn’t unique. A lot of people didn’t see the game yesterday. You happen to pay for season tickets so you’re pissed that you’re one of them. That, frankly, is your problem. Don’t take your choices out on the rest of us.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
by aesimpleton on Oct 4, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like your doing well
Some people can’t afford season tickets, or Sunday Ticket, or a big SUV or a fancy pool. Consider yourself lucky.
How dare these people who are not rich, who do they think they are not buying 100$ jerseys and season tickets to the games. Poor people shouldn’t even be allowed to be Charger fans, they should just stay in their crappy little homes, eat soup and read about the game in a paper that they dig out of the garbage on Monday morning.
by JeromeB on Oct 4, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
Some people can’t afford season tickets, or Sunday Ticket, or a big SUV or a fancy pool.
Or a 100 foot tall horse for that matter.
Please don't read my signature.
by SoCalBoltFan on Oct 4, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec x 1000
Hey, though. Maybe we should take up a raffle for people who don’t want (or can’t afford) to go for the game, but don’t want a blackout. Get the Chargers to agree to buy out the difference if we collect eough buy them down to 5000 unsold tix. If you want, you can give your $5 ticket to a charity pool or a redraw (that’s what I’d do). I’d kick in $5 every time there were 8-12k unsold tix 7 days prior….
Some of us would rather watch the game on TV than go to the game. Sure, I don’t get to see the whole field, so I miss some of the action, but I can replay whatever I like and I get a better view, which makes up for it. Beer and snacks are cheaper, with a better selection. I can work during commercial breaks and huddles. It’s only sort of my intention to be cheap, but there’s got to be a better way than to buy a ticket you don’t want.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 4, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Bolts want to play the extension game, that's okay...
… if by Wednesday AM, there aren’t enough funds in the raffle to buy down to 5000 tix, the tix are carried forward to the next week. Otherwise, we buy the tix. If the team doesn’t immediately buy them all out and wants to get the whole “blackout extension” thing in the press, whatever. But if there’s an actual blackout, the raffle ends (and a lot of fans who bought raffle tix probably feel really burned).
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 4, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
you can afford soup?
Lucky bastard
"that wasn't a very good start to us getting our lives together. i didn't even go to work today."
...ya'll are brutalizing me... ronnie dobbs
i go ham
by notorioushbi on Oct 4, 2010 2:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Ketchup + Water = Soup
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
by Mad_Villain on Oct 4, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
You were lucky to have soup. We lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six o’clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home, out Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt!
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Oct 4, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
So you can afford season tickets and Sunday Ticket..
But can’t afford a baby sitter.
And that’s everyone else’s fault?
And yet some of us actually enjoy watching the game streaming online
Oops! Did I actually just say that? I mean, I’ve heard that the feed is actually pretty good, with minimal technical interruptions.
by Andy (allfield) on Oct 4, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
My computer tends to crash when I’m streaming video (be it Netflix or a live sporting event).
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love the stockton to malone comment!!!
As much as I hated those 2 players growing up as a Bulls fan, that combination was lethal!!! all they did was score points!!! Rivers to Gates all day long!!! do people even cover him….. open all day long!! LOVE IT
- Ernie Padaon
Bolt Beat
Open all day long
The commentators kept asking why he was always so open, and I have a theory. I think other teams study tape against him and get a feel for his routes. Then I think 2-3 times a game he sees an opening and completely breaks off his route, and Rivers is right there with him. I think it’s the idea of suddenly giving them something they’ve never seen before, but making it look like something they’ve seen a hundred times.
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on football night in San Diego
(or whatever the SD specific show is called after the Sunday Night game)
Gates was talking about how he is recognizing the coverage (cover 0 in the case he was talking about) and adjusting his route and when he looks for the ball. Sounds like Gates and Rivers are on the same page and taking their games to another level.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Oct 4, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
If a QB and a WR
can develop option routes, it’s a lethal combination.
"Just another Halo victory" - Rory Markas
If you listened to the podcast
Legedu told me that most of the passing plays in Norv’s offense are option routes. I think Gates and Rivers are just on a better page (ala Aikman and Irvin?) than Rivers and the rest of the guys.
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Which makes sense given that Gates has been here longer and is more talented.
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oh and usually
he has been WIDE oprn too. that always helps.
to compare them in this regard is hilarious. Yes, every good pair of teammates that brought each other to another level ended up without any rings. You are so very right.
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Love watching Gates
The guy just gets open. Like wide how-did-that-happen open.
My votes for Bad Things:
Sproles fumble. Didn’t lead to points but the team has to make a religion of ball security at this point.
Actually, kick coverage. Because it was all starters. Siler, Naanee, Cason, and even Jammer were all playing special teams. That isn’t sustainable. It worked this time because we got up early against a bad team. It seemed like they were trying to mitigate the effects by starting Coop over Siler and otherwise rotating starters to the coverage team.
Overconfidence. Let’s face it, the Cards weren’t in this for the whole game. It was over at the half. The Raiders have a way of beating the hell out of this team when they get cocky.
Wide Receivers? I don’t know. Floyd eventually showed up. Were they covered or was Phil just throwing to Gates because, well, he’s Gates? We certainly didn’t seem to need them, but it is a bit strange.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
It seemed like Sproles fumble led to points
K.C. had the right idea putting two or even three guys on Gates and making the WRs beat you, perhaps they will but you know that Gates will.
Oh crap you're right
Well, an even better case.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
The other receivers
probably just wasn’t all that necesssary in this game. We did practically everything we wanted when we had the ball. We had over 20 rushes and 150 yards. This game phillip didn’t need to have the 400 yards of passing so its possible that though there were opportunities it just wasn’t necessary to throw them the ball. I mean we REALLY dominated this game.
another bad thing
so we work on special teams coverages… and they look like they got a lot better and were forcing them to start at like the 25 or so…. but then kaeding goes and kicks one out of bounds to start the other team at the 40.
also, kaeding did miss a chip shot again and it adds to another red zone appearance that ended up with 0 points! we gotta convert in there and kaeding is gonna scare me in the postseason.
- Ernie Padaon
I bag on Nate every week but....
this week I dont think he deserves a Dolt. His kickoffs were solid, and routinely in the corner of the field. That in itself made coverage easier. And he made two pretty deep field goals.
IMO
I was wondering
What you were going to think of his game. I thought he did very well other than the OB kickoff, which is going to happen sometimes when you kick to the corners.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
We were running the ball so well
That the underneath stuff was beyond wide open. I mean Jacob Hester must have had a career day
IMO
Wide Receivers
Not their fault. They were open, but Gates was more open (Safeties bite harder on play-action that CBs). He’s the #1 option, meaning they only get looked at when he’s covered. He wasn’t.
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This.
The game was over before they were really needed. Since missed passes stop the clock, why throw the ball too much?
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 4, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
If Shaun Phillips keeps playing like that
he can have any kind of birthday cake that he wants.
by JeromeB on Oct 4, 2010 9:01 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Thats what Ive been trying to say
The guy is a complete douche sometimes, but he is a flat out play maker. Combine that with the fact that he almost never misses games, makes him a beast
IMO
by Foilhat on Oct 4, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shaun is not a douche. Does he like expensive things and money? Yes, but so would I if I had it. Shaun is a great guy.
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Did you ever stop to think that maybe that makes you a douche?
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by Richard Wade on Oct 4, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
I don’t understand the issue. The guy isn’t married or have kids, as far as I know. Is he supposed to save his money in his mattress just because his job pays well and mine doesn’t?
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I honestly don’t have an issue with Phillips. I just saw my opportunity and I took it. That’s what heroes do.
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by Richard Wade on Oct 4, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
You’re only a hero until we send a spy out to get pictures of your birthday cake.
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I don’t think I had cake on my birthday. I’m pretty sure we had pie.
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Pie in the shape of fat stacks of money, I’m sure.
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How would one make pie shaped like stacks of money?
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I’m pretty sure a live-in pastry chef makes more money than I do.
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Did you hear him on the Darren Smith show last year?
Listened to the first half
And I didn’t think he was douchey at all. Seemed kind of funny and real.
6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.
That was fast.
I kind of agree wtih foilhat
He’s more of a cocky blabbermouth, not really a douche though. If he was humble, I’d love him. Instead, I just really like him
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by Superduperboltman on Oct 4, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
He's had his share of off-field scuffles
You’d think most pro athletes would be able to keep the riffraff off the stage without leaving a big bump on an old lady’s head. What with the security guard incident and the interview and the birthday cake, it’s easy to craft a narrative of “Shaun Phillips, douchebag linebacker who will kick your QB’s @$$.”
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 4, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Based on what has come out of those trials, the lady in Vegas and the security guard both seem to be making obvious cash-grabs.
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Arrogant loudmouth
I actually don’t think SP would argue with that.
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Well...
its because he’s openly admitted to being one. Like the Wildcard game vs the Colts
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by Superduperboltman on Oct 5, 2010 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Great Bolts
I can only think of 3 dolts for tomorrow
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by Superduperboltman on Oct 4, 2010 9:05 AM PDT reply actions
1- Sproles. Twice in a row he fumbles.
2- Kaeding. Missed a FG, almost missed another, kickoff out of bounds.
3- Gregory. Banned substance.
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by Superduperboltman on Oct 4, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
4- The NFL and their stupid blackout rule.
5- The idiots around the country who will talk endlessly about how stupid we are for not keeping LT another year at twice the price.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 4, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Bolts & Dolts doesn’t live in a vacuum.
Sproles probably gets one, but it’s close because he followed up the fumble with a nice KR.
Kaeding missed his first FG by an inch (UH OH!) and followed it up with two great long FGs. His kick out of bounds was the result of a risky kick taken with a big lead. I’m sure the idea of kicking it into the corner came from Crosby. I see no issue with it.
Gregory performed well in the game. That’s all I rate on.
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Almost missed? Really? Almost missed means he made the kick.
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I really don't see any reason to bring up the LT thing right now.
And yet you did. Does that mean that you want to get your shots in, but you don’t want to hear any other opinion?
It was a response to the garbage I’ve been getting via text, email and twitter about it.
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It’s preemptive.
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I don't see any reason to bring it up either , since the season is speaking for itself, but
I saw him play, too. On his 30-something yard TD run, he ran through a huge hole (he didn’t see many (any?) of those in his final two years here), put a move on the DB that was vintage LT, and headed for the end zone. The groundskeeper reported today that the DB is still laying on the ground out there. Really? Yeah. Shushhhh.

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