Chargers Trade Deadline: Why the Rams Should Trade for Vincent Jackson
I know, everyone is sick of talking about Vincent Jackson. He has been a looming dark cloud over this abomination of a season, and it's not going to stop any time soon. Usually in the days following a Chargers game, the Jackson opinions come out in relation to that game. Here are the two most common one I've been hearing this week.
#1: "This was finally the game everyone was waiting for, where you could clearly say 'We missed Vincent Jackson.' The thing is, the reason we missed him was because Malcom Floyd, Legedu Naanee and Antonio Gates were injured."
#2: "If I were the Rams, I would trade for Vincent Jackson. Sam Bradford is throwing to nobody, that division is wide open for the taking, and adding a weapon like that to their offense would make them an immediate contender for the division crown for the next few seasons."
The second one is intriguing, and with today being the last day teams can make trades (deadline is at 4pm Eastern) it's at least something to keep in mind. After the jump, I'll tell you the reasons the Rams should give up whatever the Chargers are asking for and take the plunge with Vincent Jackson.
Scare the Competition
The Arizona Cardinals don't look much like division champs, despite their odd win against the New Orleans Saints. The Seattle Seahawks look better than last year, but certainly don't seem a lock to win it. The San Francisco 49ers might be the worst team in the league. The thing these three teams have in common is that they count on 2 wins against the Rams each year and never fear them. Sam Bradford's success, and the times the rams' defense has come alive, put a little bit of fear in them. However, now on his third #1 WR, he might have a problem keeping them scared.
Mark Clayton was a guy, cut from the Ravens, who came in and looked to finally be living up to his potential. Then he tore something in his knee and went straight to IR, which is a dangerous thing when he was only on a one-year contract. Donnie Avery came into the season as the #1 WR, a 26 year old kid from the University of Houston, and torn his ACL before the season began. He is under contract for one more season, which will now be a season where he is getting healthy and back into football shape.
Getting Vincent Jackson for the next 5 years would not only make Sam Bradford a better player, but it would eliminate any worry about the future of the WR position. Avery wouldn't be under a microscope, and is better suited as a #2 receiver anyways. The team wouldn't have to make a large offer to Mark Clayton on the basis of 3 good games. The biggest thing it would do though, is have everyone in the division immediately change their mind into thinking that the Rams might be the team to beat for the next 5 years.
Drunk Drivers
If there's any team that's prepared to deal with Vincent Jackson, it's the St. Louis Rams. A little background on their own tipsy-driver, Leonard Little:
After leaving a birthday party in 1998, Little crashed into and killed Susan Gutweiler in St. Louis, Missouri. When tested, his blood alcohol level measured 0.19 percent, a level in excess of the statutory level of intoxication (0.08) in the state of Missouri. Little received four years probation and 1,000 hours of community service.
In 2004 he was arrested again for DWI after being stopped by The Ladue Police Department for speeding (78 in a 55 mph zone). At the time he had red eyes, smelled of alcohol and failed three roadside sobriety tests. He later admitted drinking alcohol to the police. He was found not guilty in February, 2005.
The thing that impressed me, through both of these incidents, is how the Rams stood by Leonard. They came out and said what he did was wrong, and that he had to make his apologies and do whatever the court system ordered him to do, but they came out and said "We are not releasing Leonard. He is a good man who has some issues that need to be worked out, and we want to be a part of helping him through them."
Have they helped him by keeping him there? Who the hell knows. The thing is, you make two mistakes in San Diego and the team is ready to give up on you. It's a philosophy they have and some people agree with it. The Rams go on a case-by-case basis, and because of their experiences with Little they might be more willing to take a chance on Vincent on the basis of him being a good person. Basically, this might be the best environment for VJax to work out whatever he needs to work out.
Avoid the Bidding War
This one's pretty self-explanatory. If Jackson were traded to the Rams and given the money he's demanding, he'd be very happy there and would probably help the team a lot. However, make him an unrestricted free agent and things might not seem to rosey in St. Louis.
Depending on how the rest of this year shakes out, Jackson could see himself getting wined and dined by the likes of Daniel Snyder, Woody Johnson and any other owner of a good team in a large market that regularly overpays players simply to win the bidding war/pissing contest. Once that happens, VJ will start comparing cities (St. Louis is not DC or NYC) and St. Louis will have to pay a lot more to convince him to come to town. It would be worth it to give up the two picks now to save the money and guarantee he spends his prime in a Rams uniform.
Building the Team, Drawing a Crowd
One thing left out of the point above is the stars. Another way Jackson will be pitched is by the owners saying "Come and play with Donovan McNabb and Santana Moss" or "You'll be wide open with Dustin Kellar, LaDainian Tomlinson and Santonio Holmes on the field with you!" Teams will commonly try to attract star free agents to sign with them by using the stars they already have, and right now the only true star on the Rams is Steven Jackson.
A big reason Vincent Jackson would be worth giving up the draft picks is that he would increase the value of the team as a destination for other players who might be free agents. Defensive players would look at the combination of VJax, Steven Jackson and Sam Bradford and realize that an improvement on the defensive side of the ball could be what puts the team over the top. A free agent TE or WR would look at how much coverage Vincent Jackson commands and think "I'll be open all day!" It would make the process of convincing a guy to sign on the dotted line a lot easier.
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All good points but I don't think this trade will happen
I hope I’m wrong, but I bet the Rams think they can win with what they have this year, and aren’t willing to give up draft picks for just a few games of VJ. After beating the Chargers, they won’t be taken for granted by the rest of their division. Although Seattle beat us too, so maybe beating us isn’t such a big deal in the NFC West anymore…ugh.
But isn't the idea to lock him up for a while?
If they can win it now then with Jackson they can win it for a while.
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by Mad_Villain on Oct 19, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
True
But if they wait until next season, they can lock him up without paying the price in draft picks. A rebuilding team like the Rams should hold on to as many picks as possible. They may end up paying a bit more for VJ on the open market, but maybe not much more.
We may be needing picks more than the Rams.
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by Mad_Villain on Oct 19, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don’t think they’re going to be able to get him if they’re bidding against the Redskins, Jets or whoever else gets involved.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 19, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Jets?
I agree regarding the Skins. I’m not sure the Jets will go after VJ though. Do they have Braylon and Santonio on the last contract year? Is it purely based on their “troubled Charger” fetish?
They just seem to be the new team that always wants the top free agent.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 19, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
That all sounds good but......
giving up 2 draft picks AND breaking the bank to sign him makes this a difficult task. I think if the Chargers would take just a 1st round pick and VJ and his agents lowered their asking price to something a bit more reasonable this can get done. I don’t hold out much hope for this happening.
They'd take a first-rounder, no questions asked.
They’d take a second and a 2012 third, after all.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 19, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
good point
it looks like we are going to have VJ for 6 games + playoffs (yeah, I said playoffs). Especially with the fragility in the WR corps this week I think hanging on to him for that stretch is not a bad idea.
Of course, there is a good chance that when VJ comes in he will dog it so much that it will make Merriman look like a company man, but that is a reasonable risk.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Oct 19, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
AJ Smith's ego
won’t allow VJax to be happy somewhere else. He wants him to be miserable here, or send him to a place where he’ll be miserable. If Jackson had been less of a fool, he could be looking at something similar to McNeill’s situation.
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by Superduperboltman on Oct 19, 2010 11:23 AM PDT reply actions
I don't think ego has much to do with it.
What it’s about is a team meeting AJ’s asking price. We can debate that price and say he’s asking too much, but that’s it. The first NFC team that steps up with a 2nd and 3rd or 4th gets him, other than, you’re outta luck.
Jackson was never going to get an extension after the DUI and suspended license issues. They never gave him the same assurances they gave McNeill.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 19, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
uh..
I wasn’t being totally serious. Just like to go with the BFTB meme of Aj’s ego.
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by Superduperboltman on Oct 19, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Too many people are still serious when they say that even around here.
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by Richard Wade on Oct 19, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
SteVince Jackson
Bash Brothers.
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by Mad_Villain on Oct 19, 2010 11:44 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I hope we do the deal.. But you guys are right from what I’m hearing. My St. Louis Rams won’t be willing to give what the Chargers want. Which they should just do the deal. But lets hope a deal happens anyways. Theres a lot of times where we think the deal is dead and then bang, the deal happens. Matt Holliday to the Cardinals kinda happened like that. The trade was dead and then bang he was a St. Louis Cardinal I believe. Jackson Bashson Brothers. lol
Rams can't possibly do this deal
I normally don’t cite Sports Illustrated, but they actually ran an article this week about how squeezed the Rams are due to having so many consecutive high draft picks. It makes it practically impossible for the Rams to add another high dollar player. I would consider Jackson being traded to the Raiders more plausible given the Rams current financial bind.
This surely has been said before, but...
I think the reason teams won’t pay AJ’s asking price is that other football people are thinking (or at least wondering) that VJax’s two (and only two) good years were more due to Phillip Rivers being a superstar than to VJax being a superstar. I really, really like what I see of Malcom Floyd, but I wonder if he would be this good with a different QB throwing to him. And now that Floyd has emerged, people are sitting back and thinking, huh, maybe VJax ain’t all that and a bag of chips. AJ wants big compensation for a big question mark. He seems quite happy to bide his time. I think AJ was planning all along on 6 games to end the year and then a compensatory pick.
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It sure looks like that now
I just hope VJ plays hard when he returns, assuming there’ll be meaningful games by then.
If he doesn't play hard, his fat contract hopes go down the drain
Nobody will pay him coin large if he dogs it through six games to get his year in.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 19, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
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cool thanks
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No time...
Any deal for V-Jax would have had to be in the works a long time ago.
I think the line should do better this week they just got in the hang of playing together last week with mcneill back so they should work better together this upcoming week. I hope Naanee is back (please tell me if he is) and then Floyd out should not be too big of an issue. Also i hope that Gates is playing because no other Tight Ends we have are good.
i don't think the O-line can get much worse
PR17 was put on his back 7 times. this week has to be an improvement.
by boltsgamedayfootball on Oct 19, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
"because Floyd, Naanee and Gates were injured"
I like Naanee and think he could turn into a player, but he is not ready to be included in that sentence.
Not gonna happen...
Billy Devaney said that the Rams “were not interested” in Vincent Jackson on talk radio this past week.
He said the name had come up in the past but was not something they were interested in pursuing.
Beer is fogging your brain
I talked about Vincent on the Rams, but I never said they should trade for him. Not at A.J.’s asking prices. You said so yourself, they could just sign him in the offseason. Sure, they might win the division with him this year, but they need those draft picks if they want to do more than the in the future.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
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by Wonko on Oct 19, 2010 3:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You say that like it's a bad thing...
“Beer is fogging your brain”
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I didn't say it was a bad thing
I was just pointing out that it changes the context of what I said.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
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It isn't so much the draft picks they'd give up
but the salary Jackson would command. When you figure they already have Bradford, Long, and Smith already signed to absurd high-draft-pick contracts, they really have no wallet to add another premiere talent, especially considering they have to pay future draft picks.
AJ just wants to eff over VJ
and he doesn’t care how it affects the team
Has Norv been fired yet?
by Hormel on Oct 19, 2010 8:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
really?
He could have done many things if he really wanted to “eff over VJ.” Like trade him to a team with no QB…AJ didn’t get the value that he wanted for VJ, so he didn’t make a deal. Simple as that…
If you are selling your car and I come up and offer you half of what your asking price is, and you decline the deal, are you doing it because you hate your car and don’t want it to ever see the road again? No, you are declining the deal because it would be a bad business decision to sell it at a lower value than you decided it is worth.
if VJ comes back and plays the last 4 games and then signs with another team (which he will)
what will SD get?
Has Norv been fired yet?
Agree
I think AJ decided before the season began, probably right after the playoff loss to the Jets, that he was not giving Jackson a new contract. I think AJ had enough of DUIs and boneheaded mistakes. Remember, this is the same player who drew a 15-yard penalty for kicking an official’s flag. Dumb. This is the same player who spiked a live ball during a game in Oakland. Dumb. This is a guy who wants a top tier WR contract after two statistically good years (which were probably due to being thrown to by the most accurate passer in the game). AJ can be a real prick. He’s not trying to win popularity contests. But he is way too smart to “eff over” a player and damage his team in the process. No way is that the case.
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Is anyone really dumb enough to believe this?
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by Richard Wade on Oct 19, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
why would AJ not trade him and get something
rather than nothing? Why did he not extend the original offer – which was lowball anyway? His anger and ego issues lead him to make bad decisions.
Has Norv been fired yet?
Actually, he will get something
even if he doesn’t trade VJax. After he signs, the Chargers will get a compensatory draft pick; the round the pick is in will depend on the details of VJax’s contract when he signs as a free agent. If VJax gets the kind of contract he wants, the pick will probably be a third rounder. Is that as good as a first and a second or third? No, but nobody was biting on that anyway. Could AJ have moved VJAx for a second and a third? Maybe, but that’s still pretty steep. So instead of getting zero games and two high picks, the Chargers will get VJax’s services for six games and a mid-high pick. IMHO, that’s what AJ planned all along.
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