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Trip-ups in the running game

At the risk of having an emotional fanpost here following a tough loss, I'm going to pose some questions that need to be answered.  The questions revolve mostly around the RB situation and the reasons behind playing certain RB's in certain situations. 

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Mike Tolbert:

12 Carries, 11 Yards, 0.9 YPC Average, TD, FUML...and no, that's not a typo. He had more carries than yards. 

These are pretty dismal numbers, but were the result of several things:

  • Running against a stifling defense with very disruptive players along the D-Line and LB'ers.  The Raiders have some good players, I'll give them that much.
  • Poor run blocking at times (I'll defer to PacStud's breakdown when they come out, but can fairly safely say that there are many plays that won't grade out so well: as in several OL with a ZERO on the same play).  I saw several plays where there were already 2 D-Linemen and a LB in the backfield by the time Tolbert got the ball.
  • When a RB-FB Hybrid that is 240+ lbs tries to break the ball to the outside against a speedy defense, you aren't going to gain many yards.

All-in-all, Tolbert had a terrible game running the ball.  I'm not sure if he's getting too cocky about the big play or not but there were many plays where he could have had 2-3 yards easy and he tried to bounce it outside and ended up losing 2-3 instead.  That's not the Tolbert that we had been seeing this season...and that's not his role on this team, either.  Oh yeah, and did I mention that fumble occurred in the Redzone?  When that happens that is points off the board and that can't happen.  Granted, Tolbert had a TD.  If anyone brings that up, I would caution them to go back and look at the TD run...I think most RB's currently in college make that TD with the blocking the way it was.

 

Darren Sproles

2 carries, 1 yard...again, more carries than yards.  And again, not a typo.  You can do the YPC math yourself.

This is what happens when you call the same worthless play with Sproles in every game.  The defense is looking for the play, and the defense knows how to stop it.  Norv needs to take that draw play to Sproles out of the playbook altogether...or at least take it out for several games.  Teams know to look for that play to Sproles, just like they know to look for the screen.  Norv needs to think of new things to do with Sproles because he is slowly being worked into uselessness.

 

Ryan Mathews

9 carries, 59 yards, 6.6 YPC...he looked good.  Didn't seem to be feeling any ill effects from his ankle injury, which makes me wonder why he isn't seeing the ball more.  He also should have had a TD the play before Tolbert fumbled, he was laying on top of the defender when he reached the ball across the goalline, yet the Chargers didn't think it warranted a second look.  In the post game press conference Norv said that they didn't show a replay on the big-screen in the stadium (kudos to the Oakland A/V people), but Norv's staff upstairs should have seen the play on TV and told him to review it.  Obviously hindsight is 20/20 and Norv thought they could punch the ball in, but a TD is a TD and you have to challenge that.

So we all agree that Mathews looked far and away the best RB on the Chargers side of the field.  So, where did he go with 3:39 left in the game?  Most say that this is when the 2 min offense goes into effect, and that is on semi-correct.  NFL teams have something called a 4 min offense for burning out the clock as well, and I argue that this drive should have been a combination of the two.  It didn't take us long to move down the field and into field goal position.

Within 5 plays we were well within FG range, and *gasp* Mathews disappears.  Tolbert then comes into the game, Gates gets called for holding, and 2 passing plays later the Raiders score a TD.  This is precisely the situation we drafted Mathews for (if that sounds familiar it is what I was saying immediately after the Kansas City game as well when we failed at the goalline).  He had been the only guy having any success running the ball against Oakland today and once we're in field goal range we need to run the ball.  Running the ball with Mathews is not rolling over and just burning out the clock either, the kid has big play potential as we have all seen so getting the ball in his hands gives us a chance at the game winning TD as well as keeping our offense in FG position.

Okay, now that rant is over and I can say that up until the last 2 drives, I like the way that Norv had used Mathews today.  I was wondering what the deal was in the first half, but in the second I started to see the method to his madness.  He brought in Tolbert to start the game and was using him to pound the ball up the middle (even if Tolbert tried to bounce it) and brought Mathews in more in the 2nd half against a defense that had been pounded by Tolbert in the first half.  Mathews was gashing the worn out defense and keeping them guessing on whether he was running it inside or outside.

 

So, moving forward, how would I like to see the RB situation change?

  • First step, cut out the fumbles...they're killing us.  Put an arm brace on all our RB's, I don't care.  Mathews seems to hold the ball better with that brace so let's give that bionic arm a try on all of them.
  • Second step, shelve the draw play to Sproles.  It's a waste of a play.  There are better ways to get Sproles the ball.
  • Third step, talk to Tolbert and make sure he knows his role in the offense.  When he gets the ball, he runs it between #62 and #66 (the tackles) and nowhere else.  That's what he does best.  The only times he should be outside the tackles is when he's subbing in or out.
  • Fourth step, find a more creative use for the $6M+ man...I like Sproles on the swing passes.  I like when they flex Sproles out to the slot and he's matched up on a LB.  I would like to see Sproles on some toss sweeps.  There are more ways to get Sproles open in space than just draw plays and screen passes.  Using him as a pass protector on 3rd downs (and not much else) is a waste of his talents.
  • Fifth step, continue the 1-2 punch with Tolbert and Mathews.  Keep Tolbert running the ball between the tackles in the first half, wearing down the D-Line and LB's...then bring in fresh young legs in the second half and let him be himself: running through, over, and around the defense.  This also will keep both guys from taking too much abuse over the course of a game.
  • Sixth step, don't use Gates as a run blocker, we all know that's not his strength.  I'd rather see Gates going out for a pass as he will probably take a DB and LB with him and he'll effectively take more guys out of the play than he would if he were blocking them.

That's about all I can think of for now, thanks for listening.

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Good analysis

Fire Bud Black

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 10, 2010 6:04 PM PDT reply actions  

You summed it up well

I don’t have much to add really. I think the coaches are to blame for this loss, as well as several others. I think most of us are engaging in various diversions to the degree that we can’t comment on this coherently anymore, so whatever. Good post.

"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"

by aesimpleton on Oct 10, 2010 6:57 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm sitting back and trying to see how much of this we can really put on the coaches

I mean sometimes it comes down to players executing a game plan…and at some point the continuous failure of players to execute certain parts of that plan come down to coaching…the question is where/when that transition occurs. Also, continuous lapses in fundamentals (holding on to the football) I think are clearly on the coaching staff…as long as that staff has the proper personnel.

Now that I think of it, the above comments may be good for a fanpost when diving into it deeper…maybe tomorrow.

by jkvandal on Oct 10, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Also, continuous lapses in fundamentals (holding on to the football) I think are clearly on the coaching staff”

I would say the opposite. Everyone in that locker room, especially the running backs, knows damn well they need to protect the football. That’s on Tolbert, he’s a professional.

by Natrone Bomb on Oct 10, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

A couple mistake here and there

during a game can be put on the players. When you consistently have the same mistakes multiple times over multiple games, they are ALL on the coaching staff.

by ArksnBolts on Oct 11, 2010 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Mistakes are always on the players. When those mistakes become habitual, then I think it’s on the coaching. I find it terribly hard to blame players for a 2-3 start for the fourth straight year in a row. How many seasons has Turner been the head coach? Yeah, it’s on the players.

by Its Mikey!! on Oct 11, 2010 9:22 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I rec'd article.

The 3rd and 6th bullet points were especially spot-on.

by HuangDi on Oct 10, 2010 7:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Mathews is by far the best back on the team, why does he only have 18 touches in the last 2 games?

by sstiggy on Oct 10, 2010 8:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Good question:

-maybe the team is more concerned about his ankle than they initially let on
-maybe Norv wants to bring him along slowly and not put too much pressure on the kid (like the KC game)
-maybe the coaching staff doesn’t trust him when the game’s on the line

I would like to think it’s more of the second one, because up until this game Tolbert hadn’t really had any issues moving the ball so we could afford to let Mathews come along at a slower pace. I also think Tolbert was trying a bit too hard this game to make a big play rather than just making the tough yards like he had been all along. As long as Tolbert gets back to making his money between the tackles, he will continue to have success running the ball as well.

by jkvandal on Oct 10, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

There must either be some lingering problems with his ankle

or concern from the coaching staff that he will re-injure it.

I’d love to see him carry the ball 25 times a game
when healthy

Has Norv been fired yet?

by Hormel on Oct 10, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was at the Cardinal home game

When Mathews was on the sidelines, he was definitely trying to see how much pressure he could put on the ankle, little cuts/jukes, I think its worse than let on.

by Its Mikey!! on Oct 11, 2010 9:24 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Whatever happened to the screen pass to Sproles?

Get him in space and let him get some work done. They’re intent on running him between the tackles and that isn’t his strength. It’d just result in a minimal gain or negative play. Let him do what he was paid to do – stretch the field and make people miss in space.

by Lancers46 on Oct 10, 2010 11:33 PM PDT reply actions  

seems like wego through the sam drill and end the season in the same place every year. Mabey missing the playoffs and watching from home is what this team need to take it too the next level

by QBALL 40 on Oct 11, 2010 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dungy called his ass out today on SNF...

gotta think he knows what he’s talking about.

by Gorditoe1 on Oct 11, 2010 4:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm convinced its going to take a horrible

year to get this team and staff into action. A very sadistic part of me wants to see the team explode in flames this year. Just so we can see some damn movement happen. It’s very sad.

by ArksnBolts on Oct 11, 2010 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

who every player he ever coached respects him...

and has a SB ring and who IMO is a better coach than Norv…

by Gorditoe1 on Oct 11, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

How many times did he take the Colts to the playoffs with a top 5 all time QB?

The dude has one Super Bowl. Give me Manning and I’ll win a Super Bowl with enough chances. Lets not forget the team Dungy took into the Playoffs the year they won. They had the worst run D in the league. I wonder if all the arm chair GMs we have around this place would have even let Dungy get through half the season before they fired him. Can’t have it both ways.

One more thing, If it wasn’t for everyones favorite coach choking away a 14-2 season at home to the Pats than Dungy wouldn’t even have a ring because the Chargers would have stomped those fools.

by Natrone Bomb on Oct 11, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Same ol Same!

Lat year we had problems with the run game and we blamed LT. This year norv is calling the same run plays and we are having the same problems also the same production out of the RB’s even with a fresh legged rookie back there. Now im not gonna say i told ya’ll so…. Naw F that i’m sayin it! ( http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2010/2/23/1323450/history-will-show-that-l-t-was-not ) i posted this and now im looking like i was right when everyone said I was wrong. dont get me wrong I like Matthews alot! but just like with LT Norv is not using him corectly or calling good run plays. i mean with rivers we are and should be a passing offense which is why im still not understanding we we didnt just give VJ a long term contract since the pass game is our new bread and butter. and also Special Teams sucks ass and norv should of called a time out after that 2nd punt block just so he could fire the coach live on national TV!

by 40.OZ on Oct 11, 2010 8:16 AM PDT reply actions  

In part, it's the OL

The Jets have an elite run blocking OL. The Chargers do not. Our guys are servicable at it, but don’t rise to the level of making every back look good behind them. The Jets’ OL does. That, combined with a healthy start to the year and a chip on the shoulder explains LT’s excellent start, imo.

by RiversMVP on Oct 11, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Chargers are getting substantially more production out of Tolbert and Mathews this year

than they got out of LT last year. Link to your post at the end of the season and we’ll see where LT is at. Heres a hint, his numbers won’t look nearly as good as they do now.

by Natrone Bomb on Oct 11, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sproles...

Man am i tired of seeing him as a 3rd down back… The draw play has never worked, so why Norv insists on still doing it is beyond me…

Mathews needs more touches, big Mike needs to be the change of pace runner.

I was worried about our run defense yesterday, seeing Michael Bush run all over us was a little disappointing.

by LT_21 on Oct 11, 2010 8:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Can we have a moratorium on the Sproles draw play posts?

I think we all agree that it doesn’t work. Moving on…trying to forget about it.

by RiversMVP on Oct 11, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

We have to keep saying it

because Norv Turner might log on here to look for advice.

Seriously though, he needs an ‘assistant’ head coach so he can focus more on offensive coordinating duties if you know what I mean.

by Kame on Oct 11, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

and I would like to add another. Committment to the running game. When the Raiders were losing, they were still running Bush. They were committed to running the ball whether they were winning or losing. I understand that their RBs are better than their receivers, but staying with the run helped them.

Once things hit the fan for the Chargers, Norv abandons the run and strictly goes pass. They ran the ball once(!) in that last 4th qtr drive and we ended up getting a hold. The run game needs a rhythm (like the passing game) so they won’t hold on critical downs.

"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.

by L Magico on Oct 11, 2010 10:46 AM PDT reply actions  

This

Norv got very predictable at the end there, and the Raiders responded by sending 6+ each play. That can’t happen unless you abandon the run, not just in this game, but in every game in which we’re behind. Norv needs to mix it up.

by RiversMVP on Oct 11, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I knew the plays he was going to call...

Norv is not fooling anyone,teams can almost expect all the plays he calls. We need fresh plays and common sense plays.

by Gorditoe1 on Oct 11, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because you can't back it up with anything.

If teams knew what plays were coming and how to stop them there’s just no way you could get 500 yards of offense.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

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by Wonko on Oct 11, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

so I don't wanna read any posts on here with people claiming they know everything about our offense and what should have been done...

am I the only one who can tell whether comments are literal or figurative…I was just talking shit but if you wanna take what I said literal then go ahead, but remember I’m going to do the same when you start with your smart ass posts and comments homie.

by Gorditoe1 on Oct 12, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the defense knew what was coming and weren't fooled...

how did the Chargers accumulate over 500 yards of total offense?

That means one of two things, either:
A) You are wrong
B) The Chargers players are just so good at executing that they are successful even when the defense knows what’s coming

by jkvandal on Oct 11, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

because people say it all the time and it isn’t true. Do we not have am extremely bad-ass offense? I hate the draw to Sproles and using Tolbert over Mathews vs. Oakland as much as anyone else but you can’t ignore what Norv has been able to do offensively the last few years. If Tolbert doesn’t fumble at the 1 or Rivers isn’t blindsided at the 19 we put up over 30 points and win easily. He puts is offensive players in positions they can succeed(for the most part) it’s up to the players to execute and protect the football.

by Natrone Bomb on Oct 11, 2010 11:21 AM PDT reply actions  

We have a bad ass qb

But when we are losing, Norv goes to the shotgun. Terrible loss yesterday, but the original post is where are the holes in our run game. jkvandal summed it up pretty well, I just think not forgetting about the run game is important.

"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.

by L Magico on Oct 11, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

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