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Senior Moments: Nose Tackle Edition

Nose Tackle is a very elite and very specific position in the NFL and only 11 teams really need one. However, good ones are so rare that even though only 1/3 of the NFL teams need one there aren't enough to go around. The Chargers have/had one of the best in Jamal Williams, but at this point he can only play on 1st and 2nd down and I don't think we can count on him to stay healthy. Nothing against Jamal, but he's a very big man who is getting up there in age and has suffered some major injuries over the years and this time was bound to come sooner rather than later. The Senior Bowl offers a look at 3 of the better NT prospects available in this year's draft.

North
Prospect College Height Weight
Terrence Cody Alabama 6'4 370
Dan Williams Tennessee      6'2 329

 

South
Prospect College Height Weight
Cam Thomas  North Carolina 6'3 331

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Terrence Cody, Alabama, 1st-2nd round

Senior Bowl Notes: The comments on Cody tend to focus on his weight, his endurance and his lack of conditioning.
  • "Alabama DT #62 Terrence Cody was an immovable object at the point of attack. Cody didn't push the pocket but will not give ground. In better shape he has unique potential."
  • "Sloppy, will have to turn it around by combine."
  • "Terrence Cody tipped the scales at a whopping 370 pounds and looked every bit of it. Now, there is no denying the guy is tough to move inside, but there’s a lot of sloppy additional weight on his frame and he looks like a guy who could really be more effective playing in the 330-340 range."
  • "Cody's one move is the bull rush"
  • "We understand Cody's potential to be a space-eater inside, but his sloppy build and lack of consistent effort are hard to ignore. Cody had a hard time splitting double-teams on Day 3 and was knocked off-balance several times by the down blocker, which raises question about his overall core strength. And while his role will obviously be as an interior run-stuffer Cody offers nothing as a pass-rusher. He can be an effective bull rusher at times but he doesn't stay low enough to generate a lot of push so offensive linemen are able to sink and anchor against him, and when that happens he has no countermove. At this point we would have a hard time using even a second-round pick on a guy who is going to give you limited snaps over the course of a game because of his weight and one-dimensional game."
  • "Terrence Cody is showing a lack of balance today, getting knocked off his feet by a down-block during double-team drills."
  • "Terrence Cody is providing nothing in 1-on-1 pass rush drills. His lack of moves is really showing up today."
  • "Terrence Cody has to show the endurance to be effective for the entire practice. He looked pretty bad while weighing in at 370 pounds, and there are enough concerns about his weight and discipline that his stock could start taking a big hit."
Scouting Notes (Scouts, Inc): Marginal top-end speed but good height and excellent bulk. Appears to have excellent lower- and upper-body strength on film. Plays with an edge and hits whatever crosses his path. Lacks ideal endurance and appears to wear down at times. Isn't going to win many battles with his first step but is quick enough to establish position. While he shows the ability to keep offensive linemen at bay on film he doesn't jar blockers with a sudden/violent initial punch. Rarely gives ground and flashes the ability to split double teams. A strong tackler. Lacks range and isn't going to make many plays in pursuit. Powerful bull-rusher who can collapse the pocket and help free up other defensive linemen by drawing two blockers. He's one-dimensional, though, and doesn't show a variety of pass-rush moves or the closing speed necessary to get to the quarterback on a consistent basis.



Dan Williams, Tennessee, 1st-2nd round

Senior Bowl Notes: Williams is turning heads and the Senior Bowl has solidified him as at least a high 2nd rounder and possibly a 1st rounder.
  • "Tennessee defensive tackle #55 Dan Williams played with a high motor and a low center of gravity. He is a solid run stuffer but doesn't offer much rush."
  • "It’s obvious when watching Tennessee defensive tackle Dan Williams that the man is one powerful individual. He’s consistently able to overwhelm opposing linemen on contact and generates a great deal of power from his lower half. However, he hasn’t quite had the type of week many expected. He’s not a guy who is overly explosive off the snap and doesn’t do a good job using his hands to disengage from blocks inside. I’m not saying that there isn’t a place for him in the NFL, but I don’t think he’s worthy of being graded out as an impact-caliber defensive lineman."
  • "(W)e'd like to see Williams use his hands better to disengage and finish his rush."
  • "When he stays low out of his stance he is strong and powerful and able to good surge and penetration. He wears down and gets high at times, though, and then is susceptible to being pushed aside by down blocks. Williams flashed as pass rusher but needs to finish better and more consistently with improved hand use."
  • "Williams continues to stand out because of his thick frame and good use of leverage when he is fresh"
  • "At one point he drove USC C Jeff Byers straight back into the quarterback before simply tossing Byers aside with one arm."
  • "He is also showing much more endurance and while he still is not showing refinement as a pass rusher he did flash the ability to collapse the pocket from the inside. Once he develops the ability to use his hands better in the passing game -- rip moves, swim moves, club moves -- he will be much more effective in that area."
Scouting Notes (Scouts, Inc): Possesses good size and strength, especially in the lower body, along with adequate mobility for size his. Williams has had weight issues in the past, which brings up some slight concerns about overall work ethic. Lacks quickness at the snap of the ball. However, he is heavy handed and displays a strong punch to control blockers on the interior. Plays with good balance and always keeps his feet underneath him. Plays with good leverage and rarely gives ground. Wins most one-on-one battles and does a good job of disengaging and redirecting to fall back into plays. Shows the ability to consistently anchor against double teams and flashes the ability to split them on occasion. Protects his feet well against cut blocks. A powerful bull-rusher who shows the ability to collapse the pocket from the middle. Flashes an effective rip-and-spin move. Too often comes out of stance high, though, and lacks the ability to counter once engaged with blockers. Closing burst is good but not great.


Cam Thomas, North Carolina, 3rd-6th round

Senior Bowl Notes: Cam Thomas' stock is risely for the reason I mentioned in the intro; it's hard to find nose tackles.
  • "North Carolina defensive tackle #95 Cam Thomas is a high-motor plugger inside, and can also push the pocket. Teams are looking him as a nose tackle."
  • "North Carolina defensive tackle Cam Thomas has played his way up to my No. 3 nose tackle with a good week down in Mobile. He needs to show a rip move, but his power and bulk has been at times unblockable. In a weak nose tackle draft, he could very likely go off the board in the third round."
Scouting Notes (Scouts, Inc): Unfortunately, this info is not available yet.

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oi..

Not exactly what we want to see. I’ve got serious concerns about Cody’s work ethic and motor/endurance. Those are harder things to train.

I realize he has higher potential than Williams, I don’t know though. Man, tough choices here.

by ArksnBolts on Jan 28, 2010 1:37 PM PST reply actions  

I like both guys

Just not as 1st round picks (and in the case of Cody, maybe not as a 2nd rounder either).

I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.

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by Wonko on Jan 28, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

This is going to make me sound like a SOSD fanboy, but we have a stable environment for an undisciplined defensive linemen to step into. Guys like Jamal, Ogemdi and Travis Johnson are not going to stand idly by while a kid gets fat or lazy. Jamal cares too much about the kids, Ogemdi will simply out-hustle you and make you look terrible, and Travis has been there and knows what it takes to be effective in this league.

This is the statement that I’ll be repeating to myself if the Chargers grab Cody. Dan Williams sounds like a smarter player, which is very important at NT.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jan 28, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

he can turn it around...

we should all give him the BOD,and if he does happen to be a Charger next season we should root for the dude at practices and games…

by Gorditoe1 on Jan 28, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't let the moobies fool you.

That guy could maybe lose a few pounds, but he’s got to be fat: it’s in his job description.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 28, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn

We’re not going to get any of these guys, are we?

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by Axion on Jan 28, 2010 2:19 PM PST reply actions  

I don't know

I have a sneaking suspicion that despite our impressions that we need a NT, A.J. may still not draft one. I would expect the Chargers to have a shot at drafting at least 2 of these guys. Whether or not they will is another question.

There is also another NT prospect, but he’s not at the Senior Bowl: Terrence Troup from Central Florida. I think I may have included him in my bowl games post for UCF.

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by Wonko on Jan 28, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

er

Torell Troup.

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by Wonko on Jan 28, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I still say there’s no way they don’t draft a RB in the first round. It is far and away the biggest need.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jan 28, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Terrence Cody and Dan Williams please god say no.

I have seen both of them. Terrence Cody is 370 pounds and plays like it. He’s a real big fat guy thats gonna have weight problems sooner than later. And Dan Williams is so slow off the ball i’ve seen high school players with better get-offs. I think Dan Williams is the better pick if i had to chose because at least he doesn’t play like fat guy. Thats what made Jamal Williams so great he was a very big man playing with the sped and quickness of a very small man.

by bstew95 on Jan 28, 2010 3:46 PM PST reply actions  

There's basically no difference

between fat people and NFL linemen, from a medical standpoint.

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Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play

by Axion on Jan 28, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

That's half-true

Offensive linemen are smart, are able to maintain a certain weight (as well as a certain fat/muscle ratio) over a long period of time and are nastier than most fat people. Also, I’m pretty sure Warren Sapp could run a 4.6 40, but he was just a freak.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jan 28, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

100% true
Offensive linemen are smart … and are nastier than most fat people.

Was your anti-discrimination policy just for the t-shirt thread?

Athletics are not a measure of health. Fat guys and NFL lineman will suffer from the same medical conditions, regardless of fat/muscle ratios. To put it simply, weighing more than 300 lbs. will put you at risk for the same diseases & conditions as just being a fat ass even if you’re a professional athlete.

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Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play

by Axion on Jan 28, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he just wanted to point out that there is a difference between them

But, that difference really isn’t from a medical standpoint. So I don’t know why he said it was half true.

I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.

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by Wonko on Jan 28, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Loving this series already

Rec’d. Why can’t every week be Senior Bowl week?

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by John Gennaro on Jan 28, 2010 4:10 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

After the Senior Bowl

I’ll highlight players that were not in the Senior Bowl. But, we won’t get those nifty comments from people analyzing their every run, tackle, sneeze, burp and cough.

I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.

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by Wonko on Jan 28, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Dan Williams and Ryan Matthews please with the first 2 picks.

by notablogger on Jan 28, 2010 9:06 PM PST reply actions  

I'm down

I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.

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by Wonko on Jan 28, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Mathews is a wish-list pick for me.

I think Rule #1 is Stay Away From Character Risks. With Cromartie, Jackson, and Merriman stirring the pot off the field this year we need to find good young men who will put their noses to the grindstone and work like hell.

So basically, avoid Kyle Wilson and LeGarrette Blount.

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by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 29, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

What’s wrong with Wilson?

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by Richard Wade on Jan 31, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm...

I’m still thinking our top priority is the NT position and they’re tough to come by. Terrence Cody could turn out great in the NFL if he works hard enough, which I’m sure he will.

RB can go second. I’d be perfectly okay with that.

by Kame on Jan 28, 2010 9:54 PM PST reply actions  

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