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Should the Chargers Keep LT?

Welcome to the San Diego Chargers offseason, folks.  It's bound to be a doozy.  This is the first installment of the "Should the Chargers Keep..." series, which argues the point from both sides of the fence before coming up with a conclusion.  Darren Sproles, Vincent Jackson, Shawne Merriman, Nate Kaeding and a few others will all have their turn, but today we focus on LaDainian Tomlinson.

I plan on, sometime in the offseason, doing an X's and O's post (that'll make a lot of people happy) that correlates with this to see just how effective or ineffective LT was in the 2009 season.  Also, this topic will be heavily discussed on this week's podcast (which will be either tonight or tomorrow night, I'll let you know later today).  But without further ado......

UPDATE: Podcast is tonight!  Join me and Mr. Richard Wade at 9pm EST/6pm PST as we break down the Jets/Chargers game, the offseason ahead for the Bolts and the remaining playoff matchups.

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Why the Chargers Should Release LT:

 

Money: Let me start by saying that I don't know how much LaDainian made in 2009.  He was due to make $3.825 million, with a $2 million bonus on top of that if he reached a certain number of rushing yards during the season.  What that number is, I couldn't tell you.  Let's start by assuming that he didn't reach it though, considering his subpar season.  USA Today's numbers factor in LT's signing bonus, that he received for restructuring his contract, and have LT coming out of 2009 $7.5 million dollars richer (making him the 2nd highest paid RB behind Reggie Bush).

In 2010, Tomlinson is due to make $5 million.  The team will probably look at is as a $2.5 million dollar pay cut, but it's still going to be difficult for the team to again justify paying LT like he's a top 10 RB when he's not.  

 

Mileage: I'll tell you a little story.  The first time I did a podcast with 619Sports, one of the topics that they wanted to talk about was whether LT was "done".  Me, being the nerd that I am, decided that stats could answer this question.  What I found was the most clear-cut stat that I've ever seen, and I've brought it up every single time I've been asked about LT since.  The stat, summarized, points out that LaDainian has carried the ball a ridiculous amount of times (and that's just in the pros) and a RB's effectiveness can easily be seen to drop with each carry the RB takes.

Let's dive into this stat quickly.  The top 5 active RBs in terms of carries: Edgerrin James, LaDainian Tomlinson, Jamal Lewis, Fred Taylor and Thomas Jones.  "Wait", you're saying, "Taylor and Jones are still somewhat effective."  Right you are, but LT has 400 more carries than Fred Taylor and 600 more carries than Thomas Jones.  Let's let those guys get 15-20 carries each game for the next two seasons and then see how effective they are.  

When you look at career carries, there are a number of players that had great careers that came to limping ends.  Everyone wondered "What happened?" to guys like Thurman Thomas, Eddie George, Marshall Faulk, Ricky Watters, Corey Dillion and Shaun Alexander.  The answer is that the pounding they took over their careers finally inhibited them just enough to take away their gifts.  Each one of those guys had less carries over the course of their careers than LT.

 

Ego/Power: I don't think LT is egotistical.  I read that book his mom wrote and found LT to be the kind soul that we all know him to be.  However, Tomlinson is not a team leader (which he admits).  When things are not going his way, especially in a big game, he sulks.  I'd probably do the same thing, but the fact remains: when the going gets tough, LT can ramp up his own drive and determination but he cannot help his teammates.  Like most RBs, LT plays the game with blinders on.

What's funny about LT, being the star of this team, is that he's in front of the camera and answering questions so often that you know exactly what he's thinking, even if it's the opposite from what he's saying.  In the two seasons previous to this, it was obvious that he was not happy with his diminished role on the team and probably thought poorly of Norv behind closed doors.  This season, in which the team won 11 straight games and Tomlinson was a TD machine despite being maybe the 3rd best RB on the team, LT seemed to lighten up and enjoy the ride.  He came out and publicly praised Norv.  All seems right, but where there was once problems there could be again.

Imagine if LT comes back, is asked to be a backup and then the team starts losing.  Or if he comes back and they lose another heart-breaking playoff game.  The reporters will flock to him because he has a famous face and because there's a chance that he'll throw his coach under the bus.  Whether or not that ever happens....it's a distraction to have that possibility around.  The most dangerous guy in the locker room is the fading star who has nothing to lose.

 

Effectiveness: LT had a lower YPC this season than Darren Sproles, Mike Tolbert and Jacob Hester.  He had less than half as many catches as Sproles, and only 3 more than Tolbert.  LT has become a 2-down RB that cannot run effectively.  That really is all that needs to be written, but I'll go on.  

Contrary to popular belief, teams do not get that much better simply because of experience.  They get better by adding talent, and usually it's young talent.  The Chargers passing game didn't get better for no reason.  It got better because Malcom Floyd was an improvement over Chris Chambers.  The defense didn't magically get better after Week 6 because Ron Rivera willed it to.  It got better because Kevin Ellison and Steve Gregory were improvements over the guys they replaced.  I'm tired of hearing people blame the offensive line.  This line is better than the line in 2008, because Louis Vasquez and Brandyn Dombrowski are better than the guys they replaced.

The Chargers, who I'm hoping are a very self-aware team, have to be looking around the league and seeing how bringing young talent into the fold can help any part of the team.  The Titans offense got better because Chris Johnson got his hands on the ball more.  He was essentially the same player last season.  The Jets offense has gotten better this season as Shonn Greene has taken on a larger role.  

As strong as the Bolts offense was this season, the goal has to be to improve all three phases of the game each offseason.  With the offensive line and receiving corps pretty much set, the only way they Chargers can improve their offense in 2010 is by bringing in young talent that is better than LT is right now.

 

Why the Chargers Should Keep LT:

 

Tony Gwynn and Johnny Unitas: Did the Padres hold on to Gwynn when he was still an ineffective player?  Absolutely.  Did I, as a fan, rally against it?  No.  I had seen the footage of Unitas and Namath as Chargers QBs.  I remember Joe Montana playing with the Chiefs.  I see Brett Favre enjoying life as a Viking.  All of their respective "career" teams, the ones that they'll go back to when their number is retired, gave up on them as a shrewd business move.  Sometimes it works (Aaron Rodgers) and sometimes it doesn't.  

Some teams prefer to keep those players on the roster until the player decides to hang 'em up, so as to show the fans "Hey, we don't want to see this guy in another uniform either."  The Padres did it with Gwynn and the Chargers have an opportunity to do it with Tomlinson.  He has two more years left on his contract, and I doubt he plans on playing past those years.  If they choose to keep LT a Charger for life, they'll be showing class and earning respect.

 

Replenishing the Backfield: Here's the point I've been making all season long as to why I think LT might be back.  I don't think the team values Sproles nearly as much as some other teams do.  Buster Davis and Antoine Cason each returned punts and kicks in college and could fill that role.  Even as a return man, Sproles has been somewhat disappointing in 2009.  

So....what happens if Sproles isn't back?  Do you think the team is ready to go with a backfield of (rookie), Michael Bennett and Hester/Tolbert?  I don't.  I don't even think Bennett will be back.  If LT is willing to split carries and be a backup (and based on how happy he was this year, paired with the fact that his whole life is in SD, I believe he would), it would be one less spot in the backfield that needs to be filled in the offseason.

 

L-Teacher: The crop of free agent running backs this offseason had no stars.  It will be hurt even more if there's not a new CBA agreement, and all signs point to that being a pipedream at this point.  So if the Chargers are in the market for a starting RB, they have two avenues.  They could work a trade or they could draft one.

History tells us that AJ Smith would probably prefer to draft a RB, but let's assume they go with a trade.  I, for one, think there will be plenty of good RBs on the trade market if someone is looking for one.  Even if the Chargers were to go that route, having a player like LT in the backfield could only be an asset to an incoming RB.  He could help with the playbook, reads and even give tips like "Don't steal Dielman's pudding cup".

Obviously, if the Bolts bring in a rookie LT's experience and willingness to teach are even more valuable.  Just as Maurice Jones-Drew credits Fred Taylor for making him the player he is, there are countless stories of young players learning the ropes from an older player and it helping them to become better players faster.  Heck, even Philip Rivers credits Drew Brees for showing him how to be an NFL QB.  With a player of LT's caliber, the rookie is sure to listen, and with LT's track-record you could be assured that he'd help lead the kid down the right path in life as well.

 

Respect: Maybe it wasn't there as much against the Jets, but for the majority of this season Chargers fans saw a funny thing.  Although Tomlinson was ranked amongst the worst RBs in the league, teams were still respecting him in the backfield.  Many of those long Rivers-to-Jackson throws were the result of the Safety jumping forward on a play-action to LT.  On a team that strictly needs the run to keep defenses honest, having a reputation as one of the NFL's greatest RBs goes a long way.

Even non-Chargers fans, at least half of them, believed that LT just needed to get healthy and he'd be putting up 200 yard games again.  Players from opposing locker rooms don't point out that LT hasn't had a great year, they point out the career he's had and the talent that is still there in flashes.  They call him "dangerous" because everyone is just waiting for him to explode into the player he once was.  Will he ever?  It's doubtful, but teams are not going to risk having 6 guys in the box when he's in the backfield because they don't want it to happen against them.

 

Conclusion


Strange as it sounds, I think the whole thing depends on Sproles.  He's a decent enough backup, and also brings good return skills to the table.  If the team can get him to sign for $2-3 million a year, which would be a bargain compared to Tomlinson at $5 million, I think LT has to go.  If the Lightning Bug isn't signing for anything less than $4 million, I think you have to look at the idea of a rookie and LT splitting carries as the better option.

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Can the draftniks share who is even available in the late first round at RB?

This topic is gut wrenching. Even if he took a pay cut he’d be an overpaid backup that doesn’t help out on special teams. I agree with John that LT’s fate depends on Sproles and the unknown drafted/traded for starting RB. Let’s hope AJ has a starting caliber young RB somewhere up his sleeve.

by Orz on Jan 19, 2010 9:23 AM PST reply actions  

First? Why?

We have bigger (literally) needs than a running back.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 19, 2010 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

OK. Yeah. Draft an RB "high"

But if Dan Williams or Terrence Cody is on the board when we pick an RB, I’ll be very bummed out.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 19, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I think what I'm doing a bad job of trying to say is that...

If we draft a RB low, then LT should be kept as some sort of backup/insurance

by Orz on Jan 19, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with NB about Cody and Williams, but they won’t be there. I think LT should stay as the backup unless Sproles takes a significant paycut.

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by John Gennaro on Jan 19, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

This is where I am. On top of that, I don’t want to see Sproles back at all. He’ll be too expensive for one year, and he’s too small to hazard a second contract going into an unknown CBA situation (yes, it’ll be unclear all year long: that’s the one point of agreement).

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 19, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

OK. On board with that.

Truth be told, though, the draft is a crapshoot, particularly for RBs. I think the best strategy is to go for a guy around the 2nd-3rd round, and then to drop another, later pick on another guy as an insurance policy (à la Brandon Siler or Legedu Naanee). The first round pick should be for a value position (NT, RT) or an obvious BPA.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 19, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

It's also important to think about why the Bolts can't run

It’s either one of three things:
1. Our RBs aren’t good enough
2. Our OL isn’t good enough
3. Our coaching staff isn’t willing/able to establish a running game (and not just by running during a game, but by emphasizing it and coaching it from the offseason on)

I suspect it may be more #3 than the other two, which means it really doesn’t matter what we do with LT, our running game is going to be equally bad next year. For the record, I don’t think this is necessarily a bad thing. Indy and the Pats have won more than their fair share of SBs without a dominant running game. Pitt won last year with a very mediocre running game. But if our running game is unable to be improved through personell changes, that may cast he LT decision in a slightly different light.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Jan 19, 2010 9:31 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Nah, it's number 1 - the RB's

Granted we threw a lot but there were holes now and then. Tomlinson saw ‘em but couldn’t hit ‘em in time. Sproles hit em but couldn’t get past the second level. IMHO if we had any sort of a RB the Jets game wouldn’t even have been close, even with Kaeding choking. There was one play in particular in the Jets game where LT was heading for the edge and had all sorts of daylight in front of him. The old LT and 2/3 of the other RB’s in this league would have been gone for at least 20 yards and probably more. Instead the lineman caught up and brought him down with an arm tackle.

by Robo65 on Jan 19, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

It all of those things

Although #3 won’t change. You can run effectively in the NFL without specifically trying to establish a running game by forcing carries to your backs. The Eagles, Colts, Cardinals, 49ers and even the Bills ran the ball less than the Chargers, but had more success in the running game. However, like you said, you can coach it up as well as adding talent. The Chargers probably need to do both. They need better RB talent, they need to coach up the right side of the line and keep the everybody healthy.

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by Wonko on Jan 19, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

#2

We had some back up linemen this year in their first starting jobs ever. While they did quite nicely for backups, it helps explain why they weren’t as proficient as O-Lines past.

Sproles is a great scatback but not a good every down back. He is a great #2 so if we do draft another and go quick back rather than hard hitting, we NEED LT or we will have ONE dimension to our running game. Same goes if we go hard hitting, let LT go, keep Sproles. But we need to draft in the mid rounds for RB not early.

by ZigKitsune on Jan 19, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

according to football outsiders

our rushing rankings over the last few years:
2009- 32
2008- 18
2007- 11
2006- 1

So, we’ve been bad for a couple years and getting progressively worse under Norv and as LT approaches 30. I think you can blame our fall from 18 to 32 on injuries, but I think we would have still stunk running the ball even with our best line in. I too hope we keep either LT or sproles, but I don’t think it will matter too much. Unless we draft the next Adrian Peterson or Chris Johnson (or the next LT), we’re going to be solidly in the bottom half of the rushing rankings next year as well.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Jan 20, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

according to NFL.com

perhaps it’s not so much that we’ve gotten steadily worse (which makes it sound like we’re trying and sucking at it) as it is that we’ve been shifting priorities away from running the ball and more towards passing? i looked these up at nfl.com:

our ranking, based on YPG in the regular season, for passing:
2009 – 5th
2008 – 7th
2007 – 26th
2006 – 16th
2005 – 12th (last year with Brees)

i would like us to have a more balanced attack on offense. i agree that hoping for a significant improvement is just wishful thinking. it might take a few years to bring us back up to a decent running game. that said, i’m not convinced that some more creative plays wouldn’t also make a difference.

by The Train on Jan 20, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

We’ve gotten worse on a per play basis, too. It’s not just the raw yardage totals.

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by Richard Wade on Jan 20, 2010 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

In an uncapped year

it depends on which of the following resonates most with the Spanoses.

1) LaDainian Tomlinson is a San Diego institution, and we owe it to the history of our city to help him try to cement himself as one of the two greatest RBs of all time (LT:Brown :: apple:orange). He’s one or two years from Emmitt’s TD record; that would do it.

2) Despite six consecutive seasons with 9+ wins, the Bolts are near the bottom of the League in revenue. We have no idea what the future of profit-sharing is: that $5M might really matter a lot more than the same amount of money in another year. There’s no worry of a cap issue, but that’s not the real problem anyway.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 19, 2010 9:32 AM PST reply actions  

I have to dig up a list that I saw

on BusinessWeek or somewhere (can’t remember). They showed the estimated operating earnings for all teams. I remember expecting the Chargers to be down the list, but they were much higher than I expected. The revenue may well be in the bottom 3rd, but apparently their lease deal and other expenses are also in the lower half.

by HuangDi on Jan 19, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

This is heartbreaking

John, couldn’t you start this with any other player? But I guess this is the one that gets the most attention.

I think it will all come dollars though. Your right about Sproles, however much he gets will decide LT’s fate. I would prefer to keep LT and draft a RB in the 1st or 2nd round. The last 2 RBs we drafted later didn’t make the team. I’ve always heard blitz pickup is the hardest thing for young RBs to figure out. We also got to make sure the RB we draft doesn’t fumble a lot.

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by L Magico on Jan 19, 2010 9:33 AM PST reply actions  

This is business

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by John Gennaro on Jan 19, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

You guys didn’t know that John is actually a robot?

by Orz on Jan 19, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

John and Wonko

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jan 19, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

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by Axion on Jan 19, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Wonko’s the gold one.

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by Richard Wade on Jan 19, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

You're both wrong

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by Wonko on Jan 19, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

And it appears he’s on the fritz again.

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by Richard Wade on Jan 19, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Wrong!

That’s my baseline. Ask anyone.

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by Wonko on Jan 19, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

perhaps a reboot would help?

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Jan 19, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank the maker!

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jan 19, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice debate, John

You must have felt schizophrenic arguing the pros and cons.

It boils down to two issues: what do you think the Chargers will do, and what do you think they SHOULD do. I think for the sake of sheer numbers, they have to keep either LT or Sproles. But for the sake of sheer affordability, they can’t keep both. And I think that for several reasons, LT has more “value” to the team. Not necessarily because he’s a better runner, but because he’s… LT.

That’s what I think they WILL do. Is that what they SHOULD do? I agree with the “bigger fish to fry” assessment when it comes to the running back position. So keep LT; increase the workload of Tolbert to be the #2 “bruising back” (ala Turner); and cast off Sproles.

by Andy (allfield) on Jan 19, 2010 10:20 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Like I said, my decision is based off Sproles. If he walks into my office (let’s pretend I’m the GM) and says “$2 Million? Sure!” then I immediately put on my boots to kick LT’s ass off the team unless he’s also prepared to play for $2 Mil.

I feel like the most realistic possibility is LT is cut, Sproles is signed to a 3 year deal of about $2-3 million each year, and a versatile RB (like Best) is drafted to split carries with Sproles (and Tolbert).

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by John Gennaro on Jan 19, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

True

now that you mention it, I wouldn’t be opposed to see Tolbert carrying the rock more. I like his fast/bashing “I’m gonna take your head off before I go down” style.

I’d be content with LT/Tolbert mixing it up next year between them, instead of drafting.

by ArksnBolts on Jan 19, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Gotta draft anyway

Not like this team has a lot of holes; we can spare a pick for the future.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 19, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I would be very opposed

I just don’t see Tolbert’s running style holding up over an entire season. He’s also gotten much bigger since getting into the NFL. He’s definitely moved from “big running back” size to “average fullback” size.

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by Wonko on Jan 19, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

I don’t like power backs that short though. They have a tendency to break down.

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by John Gennaro on Jan 19, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd like

to see us keep LT on as a backup/mentor for a new draftee, personally. I’d like to see us draft decent talent in the draft.

Sproles – I don’t know about this guy. Every time he goes to make a fair catch I’m terrified he’s going to fumble it to the kicking team. I’d personally like to see him off of kick/punt returns regardless of what happens. He hasn’t been hugely productive in the return game this year and I think his hands are too suspect for it. There’s no doubt that he’s amazing in the flats. That, however, is it. He is far below par lining up as a HB and going up the middle and he seems to be having problems making it to the outside as well. Which could be attributed to our OLine though.

Either way, I wouldn’t be broken up to see him go and us keeping LT as a backup. I just think what LT has to offer a new RB is more valuable than what Sproles has to offer the team.

I believe that LT wants to end his career with the Chargers. I’m pretty confident that he will be willing to work a deal that will keep him here, IF he wants to stay. I saw him talk after this last game and he was really broken up and not sure about coming back. We’ll have to see how that works out. If he doesn’t work out a deal here I doubt we’ll see him in another jersey, regardless.

by ArksnBolts on Jan 19, 2010 10:29 AM PST reply actions  

I think we gotta draft a RB

Too bad this year is such a weak class in terms of depth of talent. C.J. Spiller, Best, Dwyer that’s about the only guys I see really making an impact. If L.T. would just make him self a down-hill runner instead of Mr. Juke every defender on the field I think he’d have more success. Also he seems to go down with the slightest arm tackle, not good. All I know is the run game has to improve one way or another.

by Harsh_619 on Jan 19, 2010 10:33 AM PST reply actions  

Now that I'm thinking about it more

I wonder less and less if we should burn a higher draft pick on a subpar running back. If we can pick up decent talent in the second/third round, great. I’d rather see a Tolbert/LT combo than burn a first rounder on a flop though.

by ArksnBolts on Jan 19, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Spiller, Best, and Dwyer are the more sure things at RB

but Ryan Mathews, Toby Gerhart, Ben Tate, Montario Hardesty, Joe McKnight and Anthony Dixon all have a decent chance to be effective.

by Natrone Bomb on Jan 19, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

LaGarrette Blount

forgot about him. Might be a nice power back for some team taking a chance in the middle or late rounds.

by Natrone Bomb on Jan 19, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I really like Blount a lot. I hope he comes to SD.

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by John Gennaro on Jan 19, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

As do I.

For obvious reasons.

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by CaDuck on Jan 19, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

you love him?

and youre running away with him to nova scotia?

by Gorditoe1 on Jan 19, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Charles Scott, LSU

He’s in the Gerhart, Blount size range and is a little less of a prospect than Gerhart, but a little more than Blount. He broke his collarbone and so didn’t get mentioned when I talked about LSU.

Stefan Johnson is also a sleeper pick in the same sort of vein as Blount.

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by Wonko on Jan 19, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Honorable Mentions

Some have mentioned James Starks from Buffalo as a guy they like. One homer for UConn likes Andre Dixon. Dixon is playing in this weekend’s East West Shrine Game, as are some other honorable mentions: Tulane’s Anthony Anderson and Miami’s Javarris James. All of which are playing for the East team. Chris Brown from Oklahoma is another guy with NFL talent. Mississippi’s Dexter McCluster is a Sproles-like small workhorse back with playmaking ability.

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by Wonko on Jan 19, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

mccluster is a beast...

i was trying to remember his name, but that kid is awesome…i just wonder which back would give us the change-up that we need in the backfield

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by notorioushbi on Jan 20, 2010 8:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Joique Bell from Wayne State

He’s an absolute beast, but he’s had a lot of mileage even from his college days. I also like the other Dixon— Anthony Dixon, from Mississippi St.— and if we’re talking about Sproles-like backs, LaMarcus Coker of Hampton and Brandon James of Florida bear mention.

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by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 20, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Charles Scott has the potential to be a very productive mid round pick.

I would be happy to see a Scott/Blount/Gerhart type runner drafted this season.

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by CaDuck on Jan 19, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I also like Stafon Johnson

but we’ll see at the Combine how well he’s recovered from that throat injury.

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by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 20, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

LT,LT Come Back.

Remember TD record setting LT.Well maybe im crazy or just to loyal but i still believe he can be that back.There is a very visible change but i blame it partly there being no more Lerenzo Neal in front of him like the year he was tearing up the league.I cant believe two minor injuries in two years would have LT out of the top ten backs.Before Rivers and this 95mil contract there was LT.I will never feel this OL is a good one.Decent against the pass rush undersized in the run and cant open holes.Keep LT Bring in Jahvid Best if you can and run the ball Rivers needs the help.Hes a pocket guy.

by masin on Jan 19, 2010 10:41 AM PST reply actions  

only one undersized lineman.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 19, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I would find it hilarious when/if AJ smith Drafts a “great” running back in the first round, and, like LT, Sproles, Hester, Tolbert, Bennett, he averages just over 3 ypc all year. Then he’ll stop acting like he knows how to coach a team and ask someone to break down film for him and he’ll say, wow! Our O-line has a really hard time run blocking! And look! The FB just runs into the hole, plugging it up! And hey! One of the lineman falls down or gets pushed down every running play! After watching the runs in slow mo so many times, I’m convinced that the problem is poor excecution and bad technique. A great electrician once said: “It doesn’t matter how many different bulbs you screw into a socket, It won’t light up if theres no electricity running through it, regardless of how many times you replace the switch.” I just made that up. But its to make a point. If EVERY player running behind the line only averages 3.5 ypc against a 7 man front, what makes you think theres something wrong with the veteran who runs just as bad against an 8 man front?

by Superduperboltman on Jan 19, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

are you an electrician sir?

"that wasn't a very good start to us getting our lives together. i didn't even go to work today."

...ya'll are brutalizing me... ronnie dobbs

by notorioushbi on Jan 20, 2010 8:16 AM PST up reply actions  

nope.

I’m an auto technician. but I have basic electricity knowledge.

by Superduperboltman on Jan 20, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

lol...

i’m an electrician with basic auto knowledge and i’m about to go back to school for autobody and interior, i’d like to start doing customs eventually…i just asked cause a lot of my family still lives in SD and a lot are electricians

"that wasn't a very good start to us getting our lives together. i didn't even go to work today."

...ya'll are brutalizing me... ronnie dobbs

by notorioushbi on Jan 20, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey, I don’t know how kosher this kind of thing is on BFTB, but my dad is a solar contractor who’s always looking for subs. He also trains licensed C-10s on solar PV sales, design, installation and project management. If you know any San Diego electricians who are looking to broaden their portfolio, let me know. There’s a lot of solar going on down here, mostly bc there are a lot of overlapping gov’t incentives.

With this, I zip my lip and go back to football.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 20, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

i'll see what they say...

i’m not sure if they’ve started doing solar themselves…btw, i’ll plug my G-pa real quick…if you need an electrician in the SD area, call Custom Electric…shameless family plug over

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bringing another charger fan into the world for the 2010 season...i hope i get a linebacker

by notorioushbi on Jan 21, 2010 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

It would kill me to see LT in another jersey.

It really would. Ideal situation for me is to keep LT as a backup and draft a RB high in the draft.

by JollyWaffle on Jan 19, 2010 10:51 AM PST reply actions  

As a Jags fan living in SD and supporter of the Bolts

It hurt bad when we got rid of Fred Taylor, and I look at Freddy pretty much the same way y’all look at LT (even though LT was obviously one step above Fred over his career).

I think you have to do what you have to do and end it with LT. Old running backs just are not as productive as young ones. This league is changing with the massive amounts of talent pouring in from the college ranks. Running backs are becoming a dime a dozen, at least when it comes to productivity for few year spans.

Ask yourself this question: When was the last time the opposing defense was worried about stopping LT?

The answer is probably a few years ago. I remember when the Jags played him in 2007. I cringed when the guy touched the ball. It isn’t like that anymore.

Time to move on but the guy will always be a Charger legend and a sure thing 1st Ballot HOF’er.

by jimbrophoto on Jan 19, 2010 11:11 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I just do not see LT playing here next season

Looking at how Norv used his running game, and presuming that reflects is philosophy on running then I just do not see LT returning. Even if the Chargers wanted him back, I think he would like to be with a team that will give him a chance to be “feature” back.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Sproles does not come back (too expensive) as well. For what Sproles will cost, Reggie Bush might be available, unless he post-season plays his way into a bigger contract (think Larry Brown signing with the Raiders). However, realistically, I can only see the Chargers (wanting to have to) replacing 2 RBs (LT and Bennett) one will be a FA and one will be a rookie.
Remember Shon Green was a 3rd round pick. The game breakers will be gone by the 28th pick. The type of RB the Chargers can best use will still be there through the 3rd round (though they may have to trade up to get the “last best available” RB)

by BULLETBAIT on Jan 19, 2010 11:51 AM PST reply actions  

Don't even dream about Reggie Bush

Until there is a new CBA in place. He’s a restricted free agent and there is no way the Chargers give up a 1st and a 3rd plus a hefty contract to get him.

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by Wonko on Jan 19, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

reggie bush

I completely concur if Bush is not waived by NO and they allow him to be a RFA then he is not worth it, but there is some speculation the saints will not want to pay him the 8 mil he would earn next year, and will end up waiving him which would make him a FA outright.

by BULLETBAIT on Jan 20, 2010 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

We should drop LT, well really he should retire, and leave sproles/hester/tolbert. Tolbert doesn’t get ANY credit. this dude is a badass. he can catch, and when he gets the ball, he doesnt mess around- he hits the hole. guaranteed 4 yrds/carry. Sproles is always a scare to other teams, always in the back of their minds. And as for hester-he’s not anything amazing but he is getting better and believe he will improve the more carries he receives. Our air attack is our main priority now. Gates/Jackson/Floyd/nanee… and of course phillip slangin the rock. We have huge potential, we just need to concentrate on the right things. Defense was getttin solid, not too worried about them.

by Boltfan84 on Jan 19, 2010 12:17 PM PST reply actions  

LT averaged 3.3 ypc, Darren Sproles 3.7, and Michael Bennett 2.8. I’m not a big fan, but according to the DYAR and DVOA numbers at Football Outsiders, Tomlinson was actually the best of the three guys. So can he really be the problem? I agree with you John on every reason you have listed as to why he should stay, and I partially agree as to why he should be let go, but lets look carefully at what he did this year. Every game I’ve watched, he was respected more than Sproles. He manages to pick up big chunks just before the half. What was he facing? 4 lineman, and 6 DBs in deep zones. LT was used all year in Power run situations. I said earlier on in the year that he should be used more in a spread offense, as his smart running would be effective in draws and delayed runs where he can see the field progressing. I’ve yet to see Sproles get the respect of an 8 or 9 man front. And I’d be willing to bet money that LT would have had a big game against Indy. Bottom line to me is, He should respectfully be given a reduced contract, and throw in big incentives for production. Also, the coaching staff needs to work on Running the ball in the offseason and perfect the O-line excecuting blocks and running something other than the same power run plays every one of us knew was coming when Tomlinson was in the backfield.

by Superduperboltman on Jan 19, 2010 12:33 PM PST reply actions  

Its time for LT to move on

Whether Sproles stays or not I just don’t see the value of keeping LT another year. I would much rather see some youth in the backfield whether it is through the draft or free agency.

I would like to see them take Dixon in the third or fourth round.

by JeromeB on Jan 19, 2010 12:34 PM PST reply actions  

Podcast??

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by Axion on Jan 19, 2010 1:19 PM PST reply actions  

my 2 cents

on the game against the jets i think u team wore down over the game with the jets power running game i think the team pressing a littie and nate kading i am sorry but with my weak legs i couild kick staight basilly u were a lot better team thanks for draging down my rep LOL

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by j-man on Jan 19, 2010 2:03 PM PST reply actions  

snip snap, lol
i am sorry but with my weak legs i couild kick staight

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by Axion on Jan 19, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

can we win the superbowl with LT on the team?

i think we can. and if we can, we should keep him and ditch the other guys. my feeling is, in the hearts of many fans, LT is the chargers. i recognize that this is business, and performance counts, but how do you measure the value of a player to a team and to its fans? numbers don’t quite do it. if LT wants to leave, he should, and i’ll root for him wherever he goes; but if it looks like the organization is giving him a raw deal and forces him out, I think that will have negative consequences in the locker room and on revenue. i think the fans want to see LT end his career as a charger, and i think LT wants the same. he’s earned it.

by The Train on Jan 19, 2010 2:04 PM PST reply actions  

how so?

because we’ll trade LT and he’ll get a ring with another team? or because he’ll have a catastrophic injury and come back only to suck? or both? even if it is like harrison, so what, as long as it doesn’t cost us a superbowl? plus, what intangible benefits would LT bring that would translate into victories or revenue? besides all of that, i just think there’s the simple matter of respect. as i said earlier, i just think LT has earned the right to remain a charger if he wishes, and to receive appropriate compensation given the level he’s playing at and the level the organization can reasonably expect him to play at next season.

by The Train on Jan 19, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Draft RB's

I understand that this coming draft does not have a good crop of Running Backs. Any insight here?

by GregLNSD on Jan 19, 2010 2:19 PM PST reply actions  

There's been plenty about that discussed on this site

As well as in the comments section above. Trust me, by the time the draft roles around the RBs in the draft issue will be well covered. Right now though, I think we need to wait until after the Senior Bowl and combine to get any more in depth that we have already been on the issue. Personally, I’m interested to see some Speed Scores from the combine.

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by Wonko on Jan 19, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

40 times are overrated.

Just ask any Raiders fan.

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by CaDuck on Jan 19, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Speed @ weight matters more for RBs than most positions

F=MV.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 19, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

MV, of course, stands for “Martin, Vaughn.”

Ooh, need to save that for if when he becomes a household name.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 19, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Where did I say 40 times?

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by Wonko on Jan 20, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Speed score (explained in detail in PFP 2008 and in this 2008 article) takes into account each player’s 40 time and weight to produce a number scaled around 100; the average speed score for a drafted back is 102.4, a number which rises to 111.1 for backs taken in the first round. The formula — (Weight x 200)/(40-yard^4) — adjusts the minuscule differences in 40 times from player-to-player by accounting for the weight each player has to lug around on his 40-yard dash. The result is a metric that has a stronger correlation to NFL performance on a one-year, three-year or five-year stretch than any other combine drill, including the standard 40-yard dash.

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by Richard Wade on Jan 20, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Andre Brown, who had the highest Speed Score of the 2009 class, missed the season with an injury suffered in August.

Cedric Peerman, who was #2 on that list, managed to get waived by Baltimore and Cleveland before getting picked up by Detroit where he never made it onto the field.

Ian Johnson, #3, is on the Vikings practice squad.

Javarris Williams, #4, carried the ball six times for the Kansas City Chiefs and gained six yards.

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Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate

by Richard Wade on Jan 20, 2010 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Typically

I think of it not as bringing unheralded players to light, but a way to look at players who already have questions about them. So, I’m interested to see where some of these 230+ pound backs end up and to see if some of the lighter backs have appropriate 40 times for their size.

Using it to find diamonds in the rough seems like a poor strategy.

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by Wonko on Jan 20, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re probably right. I wasn’t trying to make a point so much as sharing what I found out about the top guys when I checked up on them.

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by Richard Wade on Jan 20, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the info.

I had never before heard of this formula.

Kenjon Barner in a DNA helmet. 'Nuff said.

by CaDuck on Jan 20, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly

I think the Chargers have a great potential power back in Hester. Drafting a replacement for Jamal Williams should be at the top of their list.

As for Tomlinson, if we can still keep him, I think he’d still be good as a red zone running back, but I think he wants to break more records which he probably wouldn’t be able to do on this team.

by Kame on Jan 19, 2010 4:04 PM PST reply actions  

Hester hasn't shown that much ability as a running back.

He’s been kind of disappointing in that regard. He’s an ok blocker, and a passable receiving outlet, but I wouldn’t run him up the middle a lot.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 19, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow.

I cannot believe that you misspelled Shawne Merriman’s name in the post!

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by CaDuck on Jan 19, 2010 5:36 PM PST reply actions  

Fixed

I cannot believe I don’t have more typos

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by John Gennaro on Jan 20, 2010 3:01 AM PST up reply actions  

LT will obviously not be our runningback for another 3-5 years.

So we have to begin to move on. The sooner we begin to prepare for the post-LT years, the better off we will be looking forward in the long run.

Who needs the pistol when you have the TaZeR? Kenjon Barner, the Ducks officially licensed tazer since 2009.

by CaDuck on Jan 19, 2010 5:45 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

i couldntve said it better

it’s time to move on, this is a business

by slolobdill44 on Jan 19, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

i agree

i just don’t think he should be cut or traded unless he wants it, provided he’s willing to accept a smaller role and less money.

by The Train on Jan 19, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

IMO

keep sproles for less. he’s a great pass blocker and seems to pick up blitzes well.

let LT go.

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by tonik on Jan 19, 2010 6:44 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think keeping Sproles for less is an option

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by Wonko on Jan 20, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

why not

who’s going to pay him top runningback money he’s earning now?

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by tonik on Jan 20, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Ugghhh

The O-line on sunday were getting pushed back the whole game thats why LT didn’t go anywhere.I was there

Reppin SD (Z-G)

by BFTB_zach on Jan 19, 2010 9:19 PM PST reply actions  

granted

so my question (genuine question) is why somebody didn’t think up something more creative or tricky to do. i didn’t see the chargers mixing up their running game all that much, nor did i see them take advantage of the pattern they had established. i figure, if you lull the defense into a rhythm by running the same ineffective running play again and again and again, maybe you do a flea flicker or something.

by The Train on Jan 20, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

The problem is that LT is too slow to the hole and goes down on first contact every time.

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by Richard Wade on Jan 20, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I think either LT or Sproles would be a great backup going into next season

A.J. and Norv have to decide what kind of a back (speed:Spiller-type, combination:Dwyer-type, or power:Gerhart-type) they want to lead the team in the future and I think you try to keep the compliment to that type.

The problem that will obviously come up with using one of the two as a backup is the fact that they are going to want starter money. I think that the reason that you need to pay one is because of their knowledge of the system and how they can help the younger back ease into their role.

I’ll also add that I don’t think any of our internal options (Bennett, Hester, Tolbert) have what it takes to be a dominant lead back in this league.

by cspfan on Jan 19, 2010 9:50 PM PST reply actions  

Shaun Merriman

Is this an amalgam for a reason? As in, a combination of both Shaun (Phillips) and (Shawne) Merriman, in one post?

by boltLA on Jan 19, 2010 10:08 PM PST reply actions  

Well if Norv

is going to continue to run it up the middle every first down, we might as well have a power back since the O-line has been consistently poor on run plays since Turner took over.

by Kame on Jan 19, 2010 10:25 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I hope LT is allowed to return and finish his carreer as a Bolt

After everything he’s accomplished and done for the organization and the fans, I hope management shows some loyalty to him. And who knows, maybe this was an a fluke season and he’ll be able to return to his old self next season. I say give him another chance. I agree with Superduperboltman in that he should be offered a reduced contract loaded with performance incentives.

by carneypower2005 on Jan 20, 2010 6:22 AM PST reply actions  

Less salary - more performance pay

Keep him but restructure his pay based more on performance. If he plays well, we all win!

by San Diego movers on Jan 20, 2010 3:04 PM PST reply actions  

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