Around the AFC West: To Get Better the Chiefs Become...the Patriots
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jan 13, 2010 7:20 AM PST
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A few days after the Kansas City Chiefs hired Charlie Weis, the ex-head coach of Notre Dame and the ex-offensive coordinator of the New England Patriots, the Chiefs have officially hired Romeo Crennel to run their defense. Crennel, who was replaced by Eric Mangini as head coach of the Cleveland Browns, is more known for winning three super bowls with the Patriots as defensive coordinator, with Weis as the offensive coordinator, and Emperor Palpatine as head coach.
Do Weis and Crennel have any magic left or are they washed up head coaching failures? Will players buy into their ideas now that they bombed out at their respective head coaching jobs after their previous employer was accused of cheating? Certainly, the best coaches in the world aren't going to make the Chiefs much better right now, as they have a dearth of talent on the roster. They will have to build through the draft around RB Jamaal Charles. Weis and Crennel are familiar with long time backup QB Matt Cassel, but one has to wonder how much slack they are going to give him before they move on; seeing how he played against the Chargers this season I have to think that he isn't the answer.
In Raiders news, Al Davis keeps postponing any meeting with head coach Tom Cable to discuss his future with the team. They were set to meet yesterday, but now they will met "at some point". I have no idea what this means but I do know that they players totally buy into coach Cable and want him to stay. Of course, it is up to the boss at this point and nobody ever really knows what he is thinking. In my opinion, it would be best to keep Cable on the staff for the sake of consistency and player moral. In related news, it seems as though Davis' judgment of Lane Kiffin's character was spot on. Kiffin's recent move to his new job as head coach of USC shows he is just as loony as Davis himself.
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Why would the Chiefs needs to draft a backup?
Have you forgot about Croyle? Granted hes not the best QB in the league but when healthy can play pretty well. I dont see a need for KC to spend a late round pick on a QB.
by tomahawk44 on Jan 13, 2010 8:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Chiefs have Croyle and Matt G.
No need to draft a backup QB.
Also, I sense a hint of jealousy San Diego. Good luck in the playoffs BTW, this may be the year you guys finally win a Super Bowl. (Sorry I tried to say something nice and then I couldn’t finish the sentence without a smart remark).
by Nick Britt on Jan 13, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant really draft someone to challenge Cassel
I don’t think he’s the answer/very good.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jan 13, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why would we draft a late rounder to "compete"?
Im confused sorry and you said…
They at least have to draft a QB in the late rounds to improve their back-up position.
Sorry not trying to attack you or anything…
by tomahawk44 on Jan 13, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There I fixed it
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jan 13, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still disagree.
Brodie Croyle is a developing project. Remember how bad Drew Brees was his first season? Can’t judge a QB after so little time. Also, Pioli went out for Matt G for a reason. This team has major problems all over, and has absolutely no picks to spare for a guy who isn’t a clear answer at a position that isn’t a clear need.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 13, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Matt G obviously isn't anything special or else the Patsies would have kept him
Pioli probably just picked him up out of familiarity. Maybe Cassel can succeed if Weis installs and runs the system they ran in NE, but I doubt it.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jan 13, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At best, that’s something to keep in mind for next year. This year, it’s got to be about protecting the two guys they have, opening holes for Charles, and rushing the passer. Without respect to positional value, their priorities should be OG*, OLB/DE, T, NT, DE/DT, BPA. NTs and OTs are the most valuable, and the NT pool is bottom-heavy (pun intended), so OT first, then OLB or OG.
*Mike Goff has been Hell on the Chiefs, hasn’t he? When he was good he was wrecking them consistently, then when he got old he went to KC, where he wrecked them consistently.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 13, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
They need a Center too.
2nd or 3rd round would be a good time to address that.
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by Wonko on Jan 13, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
3rd-5th if you ask me. Center is a low-draft-value position (I’ll be the first one to tell you that the Center is one of the most important guys on the field, but I’d say the same thing about the Kicker and that’s not a 2nd-round position either), and this KC team has too many high-positional-value priorities.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 13, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Look at the chart for Centers here. 2nd and 3rd round is exactly where you should be drafting them if you want a high probability of them being successful. Any lower than that and you are gambling more than improving. Anecdotally, I find this to be true as well, many of the Centers I can think of were once late first, 2nd or 3rd rounders.
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by Wonko on Jan 13, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah Goff sucked and ended up on the IR
by tomahawk44 on Jan 13, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He and Mike Brown single handedly cost us the Dallas game
"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."
by cpa913 on Jan 13, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and I can see why you think Cassel isnt the answer...
after the way he played against SD I would think the same thing. He played AWFUL!
But believe it or not with the right tools around him Cassel could be a good QB in KC. You have to take into consideration that the Chiefs had the most drops in the NFL which didnt help his case at all… And now that we have Weiss he should help out Cassel a lot seeing his track record with QBs.
by tomahawk44 on Jan 13, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cassels #s are very comparable to Drew Brees in his second year as a starter
It’s way too early to draw a conclusion about how good Cassel is going to be. But regardless of that, he’s Haley & Pioli’s “guy” He’ll get his chance.
And let’s go Bolts, beat the J-E-T-S, and bring in some AFC West glory. This could be the year!
"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."
by cpa913 on Jan 13, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Chiefs have a new logo
h/t Egomaniac
"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."
by cpa913 on Jan 13, 2010 8:51 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
Nice
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jan 13, 2010 9:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gross
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by Wonko on Jan 13, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
gross?
lol
Todd Haley + Matt Cassel = Chuck Norris
by zbartmess on Jan 14, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no good..it's regressed...
not very good looking aesthetically speaking.It needs more work and a lil more genitals,as in more of a manly look…lol…na it’s ok,but it needs more.
by Gorditoe1 on Jan 15, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats so funny
If I remember the Broncos....they were one of the luckiest teams we ever played against - Kellen Winslow
by soulSD on Jan 13, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
KC must be doing something right -
Do Weis and Crennel have any magic left or are they washed up head coaching failures? Will players buy into their ideas now that they bombed out at their respective head coaching jobs after their previous employer was accused of cheating? Certainly, the best coaches in the world aren’t going to make the Chiefs much better right now
I love it!
"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."
by cpa913 on Jan 13, 2010 8:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Draft wide receiver
We Don’t need another quarterback, we need another wide receiver, Dez Bryant looks good. Haley had 2 of the best in AZ. Also, why hire any coaches if they won’t help? It doesn’t take magic, it takes belief in a system. Thats how NE won superbowls, and thats how the next superbowl will be won.
by BBBELLFAN on Jan 13, 2010 9:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying with the roster that they have now
That’s why I said they need to build through the draft around Charles
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jan 13, 2010 9:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cheifs
Should fix their Oline and get a pass rush before they start drafting skill positions. Just my opinion.
by AirNorval on Jan 13, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I dont want to draft a WR in the 1st Id take someone like Golden Tate or Gilyard in the second but Im looking for someone like McClain or Eric Berry to help our D in the 1st
by tomahawk44 on Jan 13, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Top safeties are good luxury picks.
You guys can’t be making luxury picks this year. If the word “line” isn’t somewhere in the guy’s position name or job description, don’t draft him.
When it comes to team-building:
Job 1: Pass the ball. Check.
Job 2: Protect the passer. Fail.
Job 3: Rush the paser. Fail.
Job 4: Jobs 2 and 3 failed, so what do you care?
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 13, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It kind of depends
If a top safety is staring you in the face when you draft and players that fit jobs 1, 2 and 3 are reaches then I’d say go with the top safety. But, I do agree with you, the Chiefs shouldn’t be targeting Berry as much as they should be focusing on what player meets jobs 2 and 3 and has value where they pick.
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by Wonko on Jan 13, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but if we drafted oline in the 1st Id take Okung.
by tomahawk44 on Jan 13, 2010 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that is the most likely scenario at this point
Patriots history is kind of on the non-WR side as well. During Pioli’s time there I think they drafted either 2 or 3 2nd round WRs, but never a first rounder.
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by Wonko on Jan 13, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's funny,
Because if I remember correctly “To get better the Chargers became….. the Chiefs”. Marty turned SD into a carbon copy of the 90’s Chiefs…. with disappointing playoff losses included.
The NFL is a copy cat league. You can’t really blame us for trying to duplicate success with a plan that was proven to be effective.
Good luck in the playoffs. You better win that trophy now because KC is going to close the gap in a couple of years. The AFC West isn’t far from becoming a competitive division again. Well, not counting OAK, of course.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 13, 2010 9:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I actually think Oakland is the closest out of the remaining three teams.
They’d be a playoff contender if they had a decent QB
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jan 13, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
But there’s just too much insanity going on over there. Davis is likely to fire his 5th HC in what? 6 years? Good luck hiring a respectable replacement with a track record like that. There just isn’t enough consistency established to make that team good enough to worry about. DEN has a lot of raw talent. If they get a better QB than Orton, they’ll be a threat. KC is a fledgling team. There are a few core guys here to build on, but even with the best coaches in the world, we’re still at least 2 years away from being ready to actually be a serious threat to win a SB. I’ll be happy if at the very least we can sweep the Chargers next year ;-)
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Jan 13, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Broncos don't need a QB better than Orton
They need a defense that can hold up for the entire year. And they need to get Orton a better receiving corps because the current one is too boom or bust (and they were under Cutler too) to make up a consistently good offense. Orton is not the problem (but he could be upgraded if they wanted to spend the time, effort, money, etc.).
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by Wonko on Jan 13, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Marshall and Scheffler are gone too
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jan 13, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll believe it when I actually see their walking papers
Scheffler hasn’t really been a problem. They needed to get him the ball more.
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by Wonko on Jan 13, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When you bench
your best receiving TE in a game with the playoffs hanging in the balance, he’s a problem. I think they’re both done in Denver.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Jan 13, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
He doesn’t fit what McDaniels is trying to do there.
"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."
by cpa913 on Jan 13, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
Mike Shanahan has stated he wants both Marshall and Scheffler with him in Washington, I think they’ll both end up on the Redskins and everyone will be happy.
by creanium on Jan 13, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THE SKINS
Have maybe the best pair of TEs in football. And they need Oline help, no way the part with their high first round pick for Marshall.
by AirNorval on Jan 13, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The thinking is that
They won’t have to since the Broncos are so fed up.
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by Wonko on Jan 13, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
If they could get both guys without giving up a first that would be nice
by AirNorval on Jan 13, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
If somehow Marshall becomes a decent WR.
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by Wonko on Jan 13, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's indecent...
… but he can play.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 13, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So can a lot of players
Doesn’t mean that their play will help the team.
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by Wonko on Jan 13, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think I spend about half my time on this blog rec’ing Wonko’s comments.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 13, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They will have to build through the draft around RB Jamaal Charles.
That is basically a short term strategy. In all likelihood Charles only has a couple more good years in him, but the Chiefs rebuilding process (assuming we are talking about a consistent contender and not a one year run at a playoff berth) will take longer than that. They need to build around their lines and probably Cassel and add then skill position players whenever they have good value in the next few drafts.
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by Wonko on Jan 13, 2010 10:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed about building the trenches, but your point about short term strategy is way off
In all likelihood Charles only has a couple more good years in him
Charles just had his 23rd Birthday. That’s young, even by NFL standards. He will be around for a long time, barring injury.
"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."
by cpa913 on Jan 13, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying he won't be good
But most RBs of Charles’ caliber will be decidedly average after a couple of years in the NFL. That’s just a fact of life for running backs. Maybe he’ll be one of the exceptions, but it seems like a risky strategy.
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by Wonko on Jan 13, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the thing...
Charles was just starting to show what he can do for the first time toward the end of the season. He is the LONG TERM RB for the Chiefs and if his numbers continue the way they were going, he is going to break some records by the time his career is over.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jan 13, 2010 10:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think Wonko is correct though
Look at NFL and Chiefs History. You usually get a couple of peak years out of a RB and then they drop off. I think with Charles size we’d better plan on getting someone else in next years draft that can come in. Heck, Savage may even get to that point next year.
The long term strategy is to get your coaches, systems and QB in place and get the right kind of talent and attitude in the locker room. I think the Chiefs are on the way with that.
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by Big Chief on Jan 13, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jan 13, 2010 11:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Those are some sexy men
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jan 13, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Was there a hamburger
somewhere off to their left when they took these pictures? They look hungry to eat your Aztec logo.
If I remember the Broncos....they were one of the luckiest teams we ever played against - Kellen Winslow
by soulSD on Jan 13, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The KC BBQ business is going to be very happy about this.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Jan 13, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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