San Diego Chargers' Roster: 2009 vs. 2008
With the San Diego Chargers' 53-man roster set, I want to compare where the team is today compared to where they were one year ago. How do the position groups match up to each other? On talent alone, has the team gotten better or worse?
QB (2009): Philip Rivers, Billy Volek, Charlie Whitehurst
QB (2008): Rivers, Volek, Whitehurst
Verdict: Equal. There's been no change, but Rivers enters 2009 with no questions about his health (as he did in 2008) and a year of learning how to carry an NFL team on his back. Volek looks more polished as he gets even more comfortable with Norv Turner's offense. Still, any improvements here have more to do with time and chemistry rather than any talent improvement.
See the comparisons and verdicts of the rest of the position groups after the jump.
HB (2009): LaDainian Tomlinson, Darren Sproles, Michael Bennett, Gartrell Johnson, Jacob Hester, Mike Tolbert
HB (2008): LT, Sproles, Hester, Tolbert, Andrew Pinnock
Verdict: Better in '09. The Chargers went into 2008 thinking that Hester could fit the role of power RB and backup to LT. He has shown himself to be a fine FB, but not an NFL-caliber running back. So, based on the fact that there is at least one decent backup to LT in 2009 (Bennett) and possibly another (Johnson), 2009 wins.
WR (2009): Chris Chambers, Vincent Jackson, Buster Davis, Malcom Floyd, Legedu Naanee, Kassim Osgood
WR (2008): Chambers, Jackson, Davis, Floyd, Naanee, Osgood
Verdict: Equal. Same players, same result. Jackson, Floyd and Naanee may be better than they were at the start of 2008, but there's really no way of predicting that. The expectations for Chambers and Davis have dropped in the last year.
TE (2009): Antonio Gates, Brandon Manumaleuna, Kris Wilson
TE (2008): Gates, Manumaleuna
Verdict: Better in '09. Kris Wilson offers great blocking and good hands out of the 3rd TE position. Having a player like that on the end of the line (possibly next to Manu), offers a great improvement for goal line packages. Expect a lot of "Off Tackle" runs to his side when the Chargers are inside the opponents' 5 yard line.
OT (2009): Jeromey Clary, Marcus McNeill, Brandyn Dombrowski
OT (2008): Clary, McNeill, L.J. Shelton, Corey Clark
Verdict: Better in 2008. Although I really like Dombrowski, I'd certainly prefer to have 2 legitimate backup Tackles and a veteran mixed in there (like Shelton) makes me more comfortable as well. Shelton did a decent job filling in for McNeill in 2008, and it's always nice to have a proven commodity sitting on the bench should anything happen.
G (2009): Kris Dielman, Louis Vasquez, Tyronne Green
G (2008): Dielman, Mike Goff, Scott Mruczkowski
Verdict: Better in '09. Dielman is healthier than he was going into 2008, Goff was a train-wreck last season and has since flopped in KC, and Mooch is still on the team. Louis Vasquez brings a massive presence to the right side of the line that should eventually help balance it out.
C (2009): Nick Hardwick, Mruczkowski
C (2008): Hardwick, Jeremy Newberry, Cory Withrow
Verdict: Better in '09. Hardwick is healthy, which is the biggest improvement here, and Mooch is a better blocker than Newberry and Withrow combined. The reason the Chargers were able to go with only 8 offensive linemen is because Mruczkowski and Green can both play Center and Guard. Dombrowski can also play either Tackle or Guard.
Defense
DT (2009): Jamal Williams, Ogemdi Nwagbuo
DT (2008): Williams, Brandon McKinney
Verdict: Equal. Both McKinney and Nwagbuo are young and have shown themselves to be capable in the preseason. Regular work in the season will let the team know if Nwagbuo is ready to fill that backup NT slot long-term.
DE (2009): Luis Castillo, Travis Johnson, Vaughn Martin, Jacques Cesaire
DE (2008): Castillo, Igor Olshansky, Cesaire, Ryon Bingham
Verdict: Incomplete. For as bland as Igor was as the Chargers' DE, he stayed healthy and was consistent enough to almost never get bowled over. Cesaire's health will help determine if this group has been improved over 2008, as well as how well Travis Johnson can transition back to the 3-4 and if he's improved work ethic. Since neither is a starter, I'll call Martin and Bingham a tie.
ILB (2009): Kevin Burnett, Stephen Cooper, Tim Dobbins, Brandon Siler
ILB (2008): Dobbins, Siler, Matt Wilhelm, Derek Smith, Anthony Waters
Verdict: 2009, better by a long shot. Cooper wasn't on the initial 53 man roster from 2008 because he was serving a 4 game suspension, so that's a big improvement. Burnett has shown himself to be a major playmaker in the Chargers defense, which puts him leaps and bounds ahead of Wilhelm, Smith and Waters.
OLB (2009): Shawne Merriman, Shaun Phillips, Larry English, Jyles Tucker, Antwan Applewhite
OLB (2008): Merriman, Phillips, Marques Harris, Jyles Tucker
Verdict: 2009 wins. A healthy Merriman (remember, the Chargers knew he was planning on playing 2008 on a bad knee), plus a first-round draft pick, makes this an easy choice.
CB (2009): Quentin Jammer, Antonio Cromartie, Antoine Cason
CB (2008): Jammer, Cromartie, Cason, Cletis Gordon, DeJuan Tribble
Verdict: Tie. Gordon and Tribble don't bring anything to the 2008 group. Figuring that out helped the Chargers to take the risk and go with only 3 CBs in 2009.
FS (2009): Eric Weddle, Paul Oliver, C.J. Spillman
FS (2008): Weddle, Oliver
Verdict: 2009, but just barely. I don't know that Spillman will see a lot of time as a FS in '09, but he should be a force on special teams and could eventually develop into the backup FS or a starting SS.
SS (2009): Clinton Hart, Steve Gregory, Kevin Ellison
SS (2008): Hart, Gregory
Verdict: 2009, but just barely. Ellison brings something to the table in goal line situations (where he can't get burned deep), and I hope he can do something for special teams, but that's about it right now. If he continues to develop, keeping him this season will pay dividends in the future.
Special Teams (LS/K/P): David Binn, Nate Kaeding and Mike Scifres are rocks in this group. The Chargers, and their fans, are hopeful that this trio stays together for another five seasons.
Do you have a question for next week's mailbag? Don't hesitate to e-mail me directly with your question and I'll make sure to answer it before next week's game.
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Pinnock got cut
before the season in 08 for Kris Wilson. Cory Withrow was placed on IR and they picked up Forney.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Sep 6, 2009 8:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m just comparing the initial 53 against the initial 53. This may not be the 53 players we go into week 1 with in 2009.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 6, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Just the talent coming out of camp makes sense; it’s just a bit strange with Wilson on the week 1 ’08 roster. I guess I would say that at NT we are a little stronger this year; I see Ogemdi as rising and McKinney was tailing off. I was amazed when they let Divens go instead of McKinney in ’08, that guy was a monster in preseason.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Sep 6, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The OL depth
or lack thereof, makes me nervous. I’m OK w/3 CB’s as at least 2 of our safeties can cover.
I would kept 9 OL, with Shelton the 9th at the expense of Hart or Osgood.
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
Robert Hunter
by Buck Melanoma on Sep 6, 2009 8:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Buck....
They’re not cutting their starting SS or a 2 time Pro Bowl special teamer.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 6, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd cut Hart too, but not for Shelton
Clinton Hart is a serviceable starter, but watching him play one can notice some plays where he just gives up; I’m not sold on his hustle and he should be benched— at least a few games— to see if Gregory does well as a starter.
I didn’t like what I saw of Shelton last year— his lateral quickness is starting to fall off and he did a poor job keeping the pocket clear at times. I’d be happy with a Kwame Harris/George Foster.
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--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
by StrangeBroP25 on Sep 6, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
John ....
I’ve explained how I feel about ST Pro Bowlers. If Scifres hasn’t made it there, it means squat to me.
We need another OT. Either of the guys that I mentioned are expendable in light of that. JMHO
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
Robert Hunter
by Buck Melanoma on Sep 6, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scifres hasn’t made it because Lechler is as good as him. Simple is that.
You’re willing to cut a 2 time “best special team player of the year” for a backup Offensive Tackle? Frank Beamer would slap your face!
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 6, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who the hell is Frank Beamer?
NEVER MISS A GAME,WHETHER BY BEING THERE OR WATCHING AT HOME,FO SHO!!!
by Gorditoe1 on Sep 6, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is very interesting to me. Thanks for putting it up. All I heard before the ‘07 and ’08 season is how the Chargers were the “most talented” team in the league, but you never hear that anymore. I agree mostly with your 08 vs 09 assessments, so it’s interesting to come to the realization that we may be more talented this season (AND finally healthy) but getting little to no love from the national media. Perhaps being slightly under the radar will help this team play with more of a “chip” on their collective shoulders.
"Now, with that said, the stadium is going to be much, much louder this year because the windows are into the boxes and in my judgment based on what I heard last fall and what I see, I don't think there's going to be a louder stadium in the country.
"Unless it's Oregon."
-Lloyd Carr, on Michigan's Big House reconstruction
by MarineCorpsDuck on Sep 6, 2009 9:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Last seasons concerns not addressed
I love the way that you layed this out position by position.
At the end of last season most people were concerned about the O line, the D line, the Safeties and one ILB spot. To be honest the only concern that appears to have been taken care of is Burnett at ILB.
The O line might be better this year due to McNeil and Hardwick being healthy (right now) but the lack of experience that the backups have could be a real problem. Vasquez looks like he will be a quality pro, lets hope it is soon rather than a year or so down the line.
The D line looks worse to me for this season, some of the young guys may develop but I just don’t think that they have shown they are ready. Physically Martin is a beast but it is asking a lot to have a player jump from playing really low level ball in Canada to contributing on an NFL roster in his first year.
I don’t see that they have improved the team at safety either. They kept six guys (Eric Weddle and the Mediocres) but unless the league gives us an exemption and lets us play all six at the same time it still looks like a weak spot on the team to me.
I am not down on the team, The Chargers will win their division again this year and have a good chance against anyone in the play offs. I just think they went a little young with this roster. This team has been right on the verge of winning it all for the past 5 years, it is great to keep developing players, but I think a few veterans would have help push us over the top.
by JeromeB on Sep 6, 2009 12:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Over the top"
I think it’s a difference of philosophy. A lot of fans believe if you stockpile for one year, you’re going to win the SB. That’s not the case.
I believe, and I think AJ Smith with agree, that who gets to and wins the SB depends largely on luck. All you can do it make it to the playoffs and hope to stay healthy, catch a few breaks and get momentum on your site.
Keeping that in mind, I think AJ doesn’t want to sacrifice the future to try and go for it in one season. He’d rather build a team that perennially gets to the playoffs and hope that they get health and a little luck on their side one of these years.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 6, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not suggesting they sacrifice the future
There is no doubt that AJ has done a great job and built the Chargers into a perenial contender.
I am not suggesting that they “sacrifice the future” or “stockpile for one year”. I feel that having a veteran back up on the O line, and perhaps having added one decent safety in the offseason are things that could have been accomplished without destroying the future of the franchise.
There is of course an element of luck involved in getting to and winning the Super Bowl (although it appears that some teams are luckier than others), as well as a variety of other factors. I just happen to think that one of those factors is having an appropriate mix of young talent that you are developing for the future and veterans that are helping you win now.
by JeromeB on Sep 6, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way Anthony Waters played Friday night for SF
I think we have really upgraded at ILB. And I think the secondary will benefit as a result.
Not our LBs just have to hand cuff those TE’s. Well all our LBs except Merriman – he’s out on bail for something like false imprisonment.
by Trendsearcher on Sep 6, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
my througs
at qb better but if rivers get hurt its over he u only player u cant lose rb beter more detlh wr worse no dealth benind starters c- cham is slowing down te equal better if gates get back to nomal o line equal at tacklie better at g c dt a little worse j-will is a year older the other guy is a long term proect de worse castillo is abeast and ceasire is just athoer guy ilb better olb the same merryman without stedoins is still a 10 -12 sack guy but lacks the quick push without the juice i am hope he is off rolds not very helphy phillins is very good cb better s equal i just bevenie merryman was on rlods i have no proof
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by j-man on Sep 6, 2009 7:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thanksstrangebrop25
rivers is a superstar volek is a good backup can win a game or two mange a game i was not taiking about martin i am taiking about nwagbuo
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Sep 7, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
volek impressed me
I know it was only preseason, but volek really opened my eyes. He has the arm for the deep ball, is accurate with his throws and can scramble. I like rivers, but but rivers isn’t mobile. If volek had to be thrown into the fire, I think he can get it done. I hope that doesn’t become necessary, but volek doesn’t worry me.
by irishlad on Sep 7, 2009 7:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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