Chargers-Dolphins Success & Stop Rates
by Richard Wade on Sep 30, 2009 6:00 AM PDT
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PrintLooking only at Success & Stop Rates this week, you'd think the Chargers got themselves annihilated and that's not too far from the truth. The Chargers offense could not run the ball at all and had more unsuccessful pass attempts than successful ones. They couldn't move the ball effectively on first or second down and their best quarter statistically was when they broke even over eight plays in the third. The defense was able to stand up against Miami's passing attack, but they were run over play after play on the ground. What then made the difference in San Diego's victory?
It all came down to big plays. Offensively, the Chargers converted third downs regularly and made several huge plays downfield. Defensively, the Chargers really only showed up on third downs and they didn't allow a play of 15 or more yards until Ronnie Brown pulled in a 27 yard pass down by 17 points with about three and a half minutes left in the game. And you can't talk big plays without mentioning Eric Weddle's pick 6 that sealed the victory.
Individually, Jackson, Gates, Floyd and Naanee had good days for the offense while Chambers, Bennett and Sproles were non-factors at best. It may have been partially the line's fault, but neither Bennett nor Sproles was able to do anything on the ground. Four successful plays between them over 25 attempts is just incredibly poor production.
On the defensive side of the ball the Kevin Burnett we saw in the pre-season finally showed up. He led the team in Stops with five and was generally around the ball all day. Nwagbuo was next on the team with three and both Cooper and Castillo registered two stops. It's really nice to see Nwagbuo and Castillo continue to play well in Jamal's absence. Ogemdi is now second on the club in Stops for the season behind Cooper and is one of only four Chargers with at least one stop in each game (Castillo, English & Cooper are the other three).
Offensive Success Rates:
| Overall | 34.9% | 22/63 |
| Pass | 44.4% | 16/36 |
| Run | 22.2% | 6/27 |
| 1st Down | 34.6% | 9/26 |
| 2nd Down | 23.8% | 5/21 |
| 3rd Down | 53.3% | 8/15 |
| 4th Down | 0.0% | 0/1 |
| 1stPass | 55.6% | 5/9 |
| 1stRun | 23.5% | 4/17 |
| 2ndPass | 28.6% | 4/14 |
| 2ndRun | 14.3% | 1/7 |
| 3rdPass | 53.8% | 7/13 |
| 3rdRun | 50.0% | 1/2 |
| 4thRun | 0.0% | 0/1 |
| 1st Quarter | 30.0% | 3/10 |
| 2nd Quarter | 34.8% | 8/23 |
| 3rd Quarter | 50.0% | 4/8 |
| 4th Quarter | 31.8% | 7/22 |
| 1stPass | 42.9% | 3/7 |
| 1stRun | 0.0% | 0/3 |
| 2ndPass | 43.8% | 7/16 |
| 2ndRun | 14.3% | 1/7 |
| 3rdPass | 40.0% | 2/5 |
| 3rdRun | 66.7% | 2/3 |
| 4thPass | 50.0% | 4/8 |
| 4thRun | 21.4% | 3/14 |
| Bennett (Rec) | 0.0% | 0/1 |
| Chambers (Rec) | 0.0% | 0/3 |
| Floyd (Rec) | 50.0% | 2/4 |
| Gates (Rec) | 57.1% | 4/7 |
| Jackson (Rec) | 66.7% | 6/9 |
| Naanee (Rec) | 75.0% | 3/4 |
| Sproles (Rec) | 20.0% | 1/5 |
| Tolbert (Rec) | 0.0% | 0/1 |
| Bennett (Run) | 14.3% | 1/7 |
| Rivers (Run) | 100.0% | 1/1 |
| Sproles (Run) | 16.7% | 3/18 |
| Tolbert (Run) | 100.0% | 1/1 |
Defensive Stop Rates:
| Overall | 44.4% | 28/63 |
| Pass | 58.8% | 20/34 |
| Run | 27.6% | 8/29 |
| 1st Down | 44.4% | 12/27 |
| 2nd Down | 39.1% | 9/23 |
| 3rd Down | 58.3% | 7/12 |
| 4th Down | 0.0% | 0/1 |
| 1stPass | 66.7% | 10/15 |
| 1stRun | 16.7% | 2/12 |
| 2ndPass | 50.0% | 4/8 |
| 2ndRun | 33.3% | 5/15 |
| 3rdPass | 60.0% | 6/10 |
| 3rdRun | 50.0% | 1/2 |
| 4thPass | 0.0% | 0/1 |
| 1st Quarter | 35.3% | 6/17 |
| 2nd Quarter | 62.5% | 5/8 |
| 3rd Quarter | 42.1% | 8/19 |
| 4th Quarter | 47.4% | 9/19 |
| 1stPass | 42.9% | 3/7 |
| 1stRun | 30.0% | 3/10 |
| 2ndPass | 66.7% | 2/3 |
| 2ndRun | 60.0% | 3/5 |
| 3rdPass | 75.0% | 6/8 |
| 3rdRun | 18.2% | 2/11 |
| 4thPass | 56.3% | 9/16 |
| 4thRun | 0.0% | 0/3 |
| Bess (Rec) | 44.4% | 4/9 |
| Brown (Rec) | 0.0% | 0/3 |
| Camarillo (Rec) | 0.0% | 0/2 |
| Fasano (Rec) | 100.0% | 1/1 |
| Ginn (Rec) | 100.0% | 6/6 |
| Polite (Rec) | 100.0% | 3/3 |
| Williams (Rec) | 40.0% | 2/5 |
| Bess (Run) | 0.0% | 0/1 |
| Brown (Run) | 33.3% | 6/18 |
| Cobbs (Run) | 0.0% | 0/1 |
| Williams (Run) | 12.5% | 1/8 |
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The numbers may just reflect the fact we don't really have a RB right now.
Well we do, but Norv seems to have forgotten that we kept Bennett on the roster at the expense of depth at other positions. When LT gets back our overall production and production in the Red Zone should get better.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 30, 2009 6:51 AM PDT reply actions
Oddly enough we had more success running in the red zone than out of it and way less success passing in the red zone than out of it.
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by Richard Wade on Sep 30, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Probably
Because they know our only options in the Redzone are 1. Pass 2. Sproles up the middle
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 30, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Better than the Wildat
We could have Rivers hand Sproles the ball, then pick him up and throw him to the endzone.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 30, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That could totally work.
Like when the baseball gets stuck in an infielders glove.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 30, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Need to fix the run game
Have to improve 1st/2nd down success rates!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 30, 2009 7:03 AM PDT reply actions
Cool data
What is up with Norv and running? I look at first downs as a good proxy for the game plan because it is a fresh slate. 2nd and 3rd down play calls are influenced by the yards to go.
Anyway, we had 27 first downs to play with, and Norv ran 12 of those times for 17% success rate. We passed 15 of those times for 67% success rate, exactly 4x better. Why are we not passing more?
A detractor could say, “Yeah, but we had to run all those times to set up the pass”. I disagree. You can look at our 3rd down passing rate, presumably when the defense knew it was coming a high portion of the time, we were 6/10 (60%) on 3rd down passing. Yes, lower than the 67% but not much.
Norv seems wedded to the idea of “establishing the run” which, given this O-Line the last couple years, I liken to flushing downs down the toilet.
I have felt with PR and our receiving corps we should be pass first. Make the other team stop the pass. I am not saying no runs, but make the defense play the pass and run into a pass defense. I would love to see runs out of the shotgun.
Last year when we went to Pitt during the regular season we ran on every single first down in the first half. Without much success. Maybe Norv lays awake at night afraid of the first down incompletion, facing 2nd and 10 without anything to show for first down. I am not sure what it is, but if he stays wedded to the run, especially when LT is back, we are going to lose games we could win because we are not maximiizing our offense.
by jayman66 on Sep 30, 2009 7:55 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd
You’re absolutely correct. I really wanted to argue, but you backed up every point and convinced me. While I think you need a better offensive line to try runs out of the shotgun, I can’t argue that we should maybe try passing more on first down. I’d much rather run on 2nd and 2 than 1st and 10.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 30, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
The D expects more passing it opens up the run
Kind of the inverse of the axiom “sucess rushing opens up the pass”.
In this case if D’s read us to pass more often than not – maybe we get to see 6 or even 5 in the box which just might open up our rushing game even with the current state of affairs for our OL.
by Trendsearcher on Sep 30, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Really cannot argue with that...Rec'd
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I agree
If norv insists on running the ball, then I suggest play action passes about half the time on first down. Also, the U T reported that they practiced a version of the wildcat, why not give it a try once in awhile? Maybe they’re not very good at it. But, f they can run it (the wildcat) with LT back there he can throw short passes. So, if the defense bites on the run, he can throw it and vice versa. Also, with LT and sproles both in, he could pitch it to sproles if everyone keys in on him. It’s obvious that our O line can’t blow anyone off the line to open up the running game. Walter payton would have trouble gaining yards with this O line. There’s a saying, if you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull. More plainly, if we can’t run them over, then fool them. But, untill norv gets tired of “vanilla” and decides to utilize the talent he has to it’s capabilities, I predict most games will be close and there will be many games where we either win or lose on the last drive of the game. I don’t see this team jumping ahead and then holding the lead. It will be a back and forth contest most weeks.
You guys....
You have to give up on the Wildcat. It’s not happening. It would be dumb to take the ball out of Rivers hands.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 30, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let's run the triple option
I swear guys it could work, hear me out
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 30, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think we should put Rivers at TE, Naanee at QB and Tomlinson at WR. Nobody would ever see it coming.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 30, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I like
Martin at HB with Tolbert at FB, that is a lot of beef to try and round up.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Sep 30, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
that's what she said?
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 30, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you very much folks
’tec will be here all week.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Sep 30, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
We're not asking to take the ball out of Rivers hands.
We asking to sub the wildcat for “Sproles up the middle”.
Sunday against the Steelers.....
We’re gonna win! Not by a lot but we will… :) ask me why
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by ChargersWitch on Sep 30, 2009 11:31 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
A WITCH!!!!!!!!!!
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 30, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I am not a WITCH!! LOL
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by ChargersWitch on Sep 30, 2009 12:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't startle it
Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? ◔ヮ◔
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Gosh u guys are so mean
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by ChargersWitch on Sep 30, 2009 1:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s exactly what a witch would say.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 30, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thats messed up...
this was supposed to be a joke… guess my welcome here has ended. Ya’ll treat me asif I was Raiders fan or something. Thought this woulda been a nicer site than the others. I suppose not. John U could delete my account dont think imma be comn back here. Tnx tho Good Luck
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by ChargersWitch on Sep 30, 2009 5:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
lol RELAX
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 30, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously?
Look man, we are just messing around here. Please do not take anyhting too seriously here….This is supposed to be a lighthearted blog. There is a lot of sarcasm going around (thats you sdsuaztec4!), so do not be offended.
I speak for most of us when I say we do not actually think you are a witch
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my picture being a witch is the point, kind of
Formerly, thats a no-go.
I apologize for my ignorant and blatant lack of refinement in terms of my cursage. I did not know much of this Tuel feller so I accidentally used another innocent mans picture. Believe me, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN!
It's a joke of sorts among us Duck fans...
over at Addicted To Quack (sbnation blog for Duck fans), my past usernames involved players names that something bad happened to (for example Blount#9 was a name of mine), so we decided there was a curse that I had on players associated with my name, so now we choose a player on the week’s opposing team to curse by using their picture as my image(Last week the curse against Best worked pretty well). So, yes, that is why WSU’s quarterback as my image
Formerly, thats a no-go.
I apologize for my ignorant and blatant lack of refinement in terms of my cursage. I did not know much of this Tuel feller so I accidentally used another innocent mans picture. Believe me, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN!
It was either a curse against Best
or it was your dropping the Masoli name. He looked great free from the clutches of your curse.
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Without question a combination of both...
Formerly, thats a no-go.
I apologize for my ignorant and blatant lack of refinement in terms of my cursage. I did not know much of this Tuel feller so I accidentally used another innocent mans picture. Believe me, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN!
I think it would be safe to say
that NO ONE thinks ChargersRaid is a witch. I feel like I’m playing Dungeons and Dragons here.
-Wizard Man
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Kipper is a wizard though. And Wonko is Mr. Wizard.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 30, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Wonko's fathered every kid in this town
Did I ever tell you about the time Wonko took me out to go get a drink with him? We go off looking for a bar and we can’t find one. Finally Wonko takes me to a vacant lot and says, ‘Here we are.’ We sat there for a year and a half and sure enough someone constructs a bar around us. The day they opened we ordered a shot, drank it, and then burned the place to the ground. Wonko yelled over the roar of the flames, ‘Always leave things the way you found em!’
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by John Gennaro on Oct 1, 2009 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I also want to point out
That I not only have one but TWO rec’d comments in this thread. I think I deserve a title too.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 30, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
But how do you know she is not a witch?
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 30, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry
We were just joking around. To avoid it in the future, put your reasons in the comments instead of telling other commentors to ask you why you think something.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 30, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Why?
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 30, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats just an insult...
I thought id come in here to have an opinion share an opinion/reasoning and expressing some sort of feeling to the concerns or accomplishments of the Chargers. I aint ever disrespected no body nor have I ever tried to be a smart a$$ w/ anyone but stayed loyal and respctful to all Chargers fans. I felt comfortable to speak my mind and get some positive input or knowledge abut this game and the Team. I dont know much, been a fan only for a few years, I already get all the bad mouth talk from all my friends and family up North who are either Raiders or 9ers fans. Ive never stooped low to anyones level who had something negative to say about the Chargers Never. Honestly I feel very insulted.
to answer the one smple question Why?
-my answer was “Cause it aint snowing, California boys dont do wel in cold weather”
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by ChargersWitch on Sep 30, 2009 7:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Welcome to teh internets
can i take your coat?
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 30, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the way we do things
There was no malice implied (not many people get offended by being called a witch). It was simply sarcasm. This community, as well as every other spots community I belong to on the internet, is laced with a constant stream of sarcasm. Honestly, you should feel complimented. If ‘Tec was willing to joke around with you in that manner, it means he likes you and feels you’ve been around here long enough to take it. We don’t rib people we don’t like.
I apologize, on behalf of the community, if you feel insulted. That was never the intention of ’Tec or myself.
To answer your reasoning….as somebody who has lived half of their life in the northeast….no snow doesn’t mean it’s not freezing cold.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
Dude it's already getting cold
WTF
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 1, 2009 5:53 AM PDT up reply actions
haha
Yeah, your first winter on the east coast sucks. The worst is that you don’t want to go out because it’s so miserable, but then you get crazy cabin-fever.
Also, driving with ice on the road is fun. And it’s the reason I had to get rid of my “desert beast” pickup truck.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
It is 84 and sunny here in S.D, as I am sure you know...:)
Formerly, thats a no-go.
I apologize for my ignorant and blatant lack of refinement in terms of my cursage. I did not know much of this Tuel feller so I accidentally used another innocent mans picture. Believe me, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN!
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The last of the special Infected classes and a unique character who resembles a thin, emaciated-looking woman, the Witch is a rare but formidable opponent. The Witch lays dormant until she is alerted to the presence of the survivors by loud noise or bright lights. Until awakened, The Witch will emit plaintive sobs, alerting the survivors to her presence. Once awakened she will move at an incredibly fast speed toward the player that woke her up. She’s able to knock any other players out of her way that are in her path to her target, making melee attacks on the witch somewhat futile. Once she reaches her target, she is able to knock them down in a single punch. She’ll then attack the downed player until they die, or she’s killed. After killing that one player, she’ll flee from the scene, leaving the other players alone. Players can avoid encountering the Witch altogether by moving swiftly and quietly, and by shutting their flashlights off when they hear her cries.
Things you can do to the Witch:
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Just as long as im the Chargers Side...
imma Witch it out and take it!!!
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by ChargersWitch on Oct 1, 2009 10:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think you should change your signature from Mz. Lanz to The OFFICIAL WITCH OF THE SAN DIEGO CHARGERS!!!
By the way I think Tec was joking around with you cuz he has a crush on you,I think he wants to go around with the “Official Witch of The San Diego Chargers” woo hoo yeah!!!
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 2, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great post Richard
I enjoy reading these and am glad to see you doing them again this year.
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"I would tell those fans that we're going to play good baseball. We're going to play hard. We're going to have exciting young players..." -Bud Black
Thanks. I’m going to try to integrate some game charting stuff into them later in the season if I can find the time.
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by Richard Wade on Sep 30, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Amusing/Sad Statistic
Philip Rivers is tied with Darren Sproles and LaDainian Tomlinson as the leaders in rushing TDs for the Chargers.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
Week 3, man. Not fair.
But no, Sproles is not a “pound it across the goal line” kind of guy.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 30, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
That should not be the case EVER...
Phillip is no Dennis Dixon or Josh Johnson. Rivers should not be scoring many touchdowns on the ground. He made the right decision to run against the Fins, but I do not know if I can handle his “scrambling” ever again….For his sake.
There should be a law aginst Rivers being the leading scorer on the ground….But it is sadly amusing
Formerly, thats a no-go.
I apologize for my ignorant and blatant lack of refinement in terms of my cursage. I did not know much of this Tuel feller so I accidentally used another innocent mans picture. Believe me, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN!
Re: All the above comments
Good news everyone! Looks like LT will be playing on Sunday!
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 30, 2009 5:14 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Thats great news
Vazquez is back in practice also so we could get out RG and our RB back in the same game.
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