Ask Behind The Steel Curtain: A Steelers Blog
Good Morning Bolts From The Blue. This is "drinkyourmilkshake" from over at Behind the Steel Curtain. John (obviousman) was kind enough to post a fanpost to answer any questions us heart-broken Steeler fans have over at Behind th Steel Curtain and It would only be right for me to do the same at your place.
I'm sure a lot of questions will revolve around how the Steelers are sitting with a record of 1-2 and if we are really having a major Super Bowl hangover. Well the short answer is the Steelers have played sloppy in the past two games (really all three) and have not been able to make plays in the fourth quarter when we really needed them while the Bears and the Bengals both have been able to do so.
Feel free to ask anything that you have on your mind regarding the Steelers and this weeks match-up against your Chargers.
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Slew of questions...
Can you define sloppy? Penalties? Turnovers? How has Roethlisberger played thus far?
Are you at all concerned going into this game, seeing as how the Steelers have had trouble with defense in the fourth quarter and the Chargers have done their best offensive work in the fourth quarter (30 out of 73 points scored in the 4th quarter)?
A big issue this season has been the height of opposing CBs. The Raiders were able to keep the Chargers passing game mostly in check with their tall CBs. The Ravens should’ve lost because of their short CBs. The Dolphins lost because their tall CBs were not experienced enough and so a short CB (Allen) had to try to cover Vincent Jackson. With 3 receivers (including Gates) that are 6’4" or taller, how will the Steelers defend?
In your opinion, have the last two losses been a direct result of Polamalu not being out there? Do you think the Steelers will have trouble covering Gates without him?
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
DYMS is the expert, but I’ll pitch in. There have been a lot of penalties for sure, and many of them have brought back first downs. Also, we have missed a field goal a game, two in the chicago one.
The steelers have been pretty good at not giving up turnovers this year. Ben has gotten picked on hail mary’s, blown routes by the receivers, his arm getting bumped mid-throw. We haven’t seen too much Bad Ben where he throws 3 picks in 3 straight possessions. Bad Ben usually comes about due to pressure generated, and our line has been very solid in pass protecting, something they were terrible at last year.
Speaking of Ben. He has been playing very well as of late. He had a string of poor play in the chicago game, but otherwise he has been very accurate, comfortable in the pocket, good at hitting his hot routes, etc. He is still good for a boneheaded play a game, but that’s our guy. Right now he is playing very good football though.
The problem so far often seems to be the receivers. After the first game Holmes has dropped a lot of balls and been off on routes many times. We can’t win games with our “star WR” dropping half his catches, not with the amount that we have been passing lately. The steelers have been exceptional this year at marching down the field to about the 30, getting stuffed on 1st down, and throwing two straight incompletions. Our offense collapses near the end zone, even if it looks good all game. On top of that, we can’t even rely upon our field goal kicker.
Are you at all concerned going into this game, seeing as how the Steelers have had trouble with defense in the fourth quarter and the Chargers have done their best offensive work in the fourth quarter (30 out of 73 points scored in the 4th quarter)?
Anyone who says no is a goddamn liar.
A big issue this season has been the height of opposing CBs. The Raiders were able to keep the Chargers passing game mostly in check with their tall CBs. The Ravens should’ve lost because of their short CBs. The Dolphins lost because their tall CBs were not experienced enough and so a short CB (Allen) had to try to cover Vincent Jackson. With 3 receivers (including Gates) that are 6’4" or taller, how will the Steelers defend?
For the most part you can scratch whoever Ike Taylor is defending. Our other CBs are all fairly short. One of our safeties is 6’1" with a good leap and has been seeing a lot of time lately. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him play when we need an extra DB on the field.
I expect that the steelers will attempt to apply pressure readily to Rivers, and your receivers catching will probably come down to that. If it’s a jump ball between one of our shorties and a 6’5" CB, we can guess who is going to win. All I can say is our safeties hit like trucks. One of your WRs is not going to finish the game if they are always going for the jump.
The steelers philosophy has been about preventing the big play for a very long time. They are good at it, and a lot of that is because deep balls haven’t been consistently accurate due to our pass rush. The pass rush hasn’t looked great this year, but the chargers will still need to devote extra effort to it.
If there is no pass rush this game, the backs won’t be able to cover. If there is, our backs are very skilled at punching receivers in the mouth at the right time. If the steelers can’t provide pressure, our WRs are going to need to start catching balls.
I should also note here that Mike Wallace, our WR, is impossible to cover by anyone on anyone’s team.
IMO, DYMS may differ, the losses cannot be attributed to one person. Our defense is hurt without him, but it moves on. Talking heads like to pin our defensive struggles solely upon him, but there are a lot of other things going on that I won’t get into because I’ve already written a ton. Troy was basically benched against you guys last year in the playoffs, and we did okay.
Lawrence Timmons will be on Gates, a lot. He is new to the steelers defense party and is fast and tough enough to cover him from the flat most of the way into the deep zone.
Great questions.
Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL
by steelguy99 on Sep 29, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How big is Timmons?
Gates’ strength is not his speed. His his size and ability to box out. He’s no longer the “big play guy” because the WRs are so good. Gates has become the consistent 3rd down option because he can win any one-on-one matchup with body positioning.
I saw Mike Wallace against Tennessee. He reminded me of Eddie Royal. Last year the Chargers did a good job of covering players like that, mostly because our CBs are physical and awesome. The strength of the Chargers D this year has been the secondary. I wouldn’t expect to have Ben to have a big passing day.
Thanks for the info. The Steelers lack of pass-rush has me more optimistic about the game.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 29, 2009 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Timmons is listed at 6’1, 234lbs. He is lightning quick for a guy that size. He ran a 4.5 40 yard dash coming out of college.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 29, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
The problem with Wallace is he is often lined up against the 4th CB, so if your 4th CB is physical and awesome you’ll have him covered, but I expect him to make some plays.
Timmons is 6’1" built of solid muscle. He can hold Gates above his head and still run a 40 in under 5 seconds. Okay, not quite. He can cover Gates well, but he is still raw. Gates will make some 3rd down conversions.
If it’s 3rd and long Timmons might be blitzing up the middle anyhow and it will be someone else’s job. I wouldn’t expect Farrior to pick him up then, he has not looked strong in coverage this year. Depending on which side he is lined up at you can reasonably expect Woodley or Harrison to cover the short routes. This is all assuming Timmons is the blitzer, which he may or may not be.
Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL
That's funny
The Chargers don’t have a 4th CB. I’m not joking. They have 6 safeties and 3 CBs. I imagine the Bolts will play lots of zone.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 29, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Steelguy99 is just as much of an expert as I am. He knows his stuff.
I agree with him on most everything he has said here especially the fact that these losses are not due to us missing Troy. Did that contribute to our loses? Sure it did, but under Mike Tomlin the Steelers have found a way to win games with pieces missing, because the reality is that injuries are going to happen and you must have depth and a plan to recover from those type of things.
Mike Wallace can be covered, but he is really, really fast (2nd fastest guy in the draft behind Darrius Heyward-Bey, but much more polished as a rookie receiver.)
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 29, 2009 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
i can heip too
i watch every steelers game family reaons without troy they velvabe in the passing game and they keep teams in the game harrison is haveing a bad start to the season i notiec his speed is slower this year they bad on 3rd and 1 r meandall is a disponnant
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fishing my point
so is l sweed ben pumps fake too much sd has a shot here to win
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Phillip Rivers is usually at his best in the 4th Quarter which seems to be the time when you are getting "sloppy"
How are you going to stop him?
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 29, 2009 7:31 AM PDT reply actions
If the 2 minute defense plays like it did in Chicago and Cincinnati the short answer is we won’t.
I expect Dick LeBeau and Mike Tomlin to figure out a way to minimize some of the weaknesses we have been experiencing during the two minute area and really the defense needs to create some turnovers or big-plays during the crunch time. They have yet to do that.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 29, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Is Polamalu going to play?
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by John Gennaro on Sep 29, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Not a chance….
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 29, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This game reminds me of the unstobbale force meeting the immovable object.
Or the opposite of that, actually. The Steelers can’t run, and the Chargers can’t stop the run.
Aaaaahhhh!!!!
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 29, 2009 8:59 AM PDT reply actions
The Steelers running game didn’t look bad in Chicago and it really looked good against the Bengals.
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 29, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
The Chargers stop the run better than you think. In the first quarter, they get gashed, but yards and minutes at that point in the game are only good if they turn into points, and so far the Bolts have been pretty good at keeping it from reflecting too much in the scoreboard. But when the game tightens, the run-D tightens too, just as the passing game picks up. It’s rather interesting to watch: makes for good TV.
If Pittsburgh can’t get anything going early with the run, they won’t be able to get anything going late, but even if they can Ben will still have to carry the game in the second half, as this SD team can play catch-up with the best of ‘em. I don’t think San Diego will be able to run the ball at all, especially in the first half. This really comes down to a battle of passing games and special teams.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 29, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Last year Ben took a ton of hurries and hits
I wasn’t sure he was going to survive, let alone finish the regular season. He’s a tough dude. What was causing that last year was it pressure or coverage? Are things improved this year?
Who is this Bad Ben of which you speak? I thought that guy was supposed to have a higher completion rate after contact than before? Has he become mortal again?
Ben holds onto the ball forever, it seems.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 29, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Bad Ben is the guy that played against NYG last year (1 TD, 4 INT), IND (0 TD, 3 INT), and others. Ben is definitely mortal but he looks pretty good so far this year.
What was causing that last year was it pressure or coverage? Are things improved this year?
This is a very good question. Last year it was a very poor offensive line combined with Ben’s unwillingness to take check-downs and the short stuff, and on top of that not always having guys open. Our OC Arians likes to run a lot of bunch routes, the problem with those is that it takes time for the WRs to get open (if they can). Last year our O-line was consistently unable to provide Ben with enough time for those routes to break open.
Ben is always looking downfield even when he has three sumo wrestlers hanging off of him, but last year he tended to skip the RB in the flat and keep looking further, and it took Holmes and Ward too long to get open. This year we still have the same problem with guys getting open. In the first game Holmes was burning everyone who covered him, since then he has been bottled up and when he has been open has made mistakes.
This year the O-line play (thus far) has improved dramatically. Most sacks have clearly been Ben’s fault and he has taken us out of field goal range twice by running backwards 19 yards in one instance (seriously). Giving Ben more time has given our receivers more time…sometimes enough that turtles could get open. It takes longer for guys to get open because we are seeing a lot of four man rushes. Last year four man rushes could consistently get to Ben, this year not so much.
The single biggest improvement Ben has made is to TAKE THE CHECKDOWN. He has gotten much better at passing it off to the flat or big Heath, perhaps because of Parker’s newfound ability to catch the ball. He won’t get rid of the ball, and he will try to go as deep as he can (he likes the middle stuff), but he will actually get rid of it or just take a few yards this year, and that is nice to see.
He still has a penchant for getting hit by 300 pound guys though.
Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL
Gotta hate the four man rush
Last year four man rushes could consistently get to Ben, this year not so much.
On Sunday you are gonna see far more four man rushes than I’d prefer. The injuries in the DL & LBs have forced us to take most of the blitz packages off the table for the time being. In my book an unfortunate necessary evil to deal with the issue.
by Trendsearcher on Sep 29, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
good news for us if so
thus far the steelers o-line has dealt amazingly well with the 4 man rush (knock wood)
What in the heck is going on in the running back committee?
Fast Willy has not had as many carries or produced as many touch downs for my fantasy team as I’d like. Are teams keying on Willy? Or is he just loosing out reps to Moore?
It's a combination of things really...
I hope my intrusion into DYMS’s Q&A isn’t out of place. Just popping in to see waht’s up in Charger land.
In the first game, the running lanes never opened up for him. And on the rare occasion when they did, he either missed them, or was committed elsewhere already. In the Chicago game, things began to look better, but we had a few more missed oppurtunities. Sunday against Cincy the holes were there, and he hit them hard. There were still a few missed chances, but that’s the game. I still see bright things in the future for Willie, and as our O-Line gels he should have better games.
Mewelde has a great skill set that, in my opinion, is taken for granted. He blocks well, catches really well, and has a nose for the holes. He’s being used as a third down back mostly, but with Willie now having turf toe, I’d expect to see him quite a bit this week. He’s not as fast, there aren’t many who are, but he is a more than servicable replacement.
Rashard Mendenhall is an enigma. We’ve seen bad Rashard, running into blockers, with no real direction or decisiveness, and we’ve seen good Rashard, he does have good hands and decent speed, but unfortunately it seems his head hasn’t matched his feet at times, catch my drift? He had no carries last week on a coaches decision, attitude related I believe, but has been normally used every third possession, if for nothing else to get him reps. He’s very young for a second year guy, and still has promise, but the jury is out (depending on who you ask).
Alot of our fans question our dedication to the run, or at least the amount of runs in Bruce Arian’s (our O.C.) playbook. He loves to throw, almost as much as he loves TE’s (inside joke, sorry).
by NYSteelersFan4 on Sep 29, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep….you guys are more than capable of filling in the role for me. When I am unavailable you guys will answer the questions, the expectations do not change.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 29, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Standards of expectation do not change...
How fitting, when you’re talking about Steelguy’s comments. Mine are like subbing Ty Carter for Troy Polamalu.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Sep 29, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I have to ask....
If I heard that Rivers, along with other members of the offensive line, were going to show up and play a pivotal role on a live television broadcast of a WWE show 24 hours after the game……I’d be pissed. I’d be screaming about how it should not be happening in-season and it’s a potential distraction for this week, next week and the entire season.
What are your thoughts on Big Ben hosting Raw?
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
I'm with you...
It’s an unnecessary waste of time during a game week. I wouldn’t do it myself. But, he is still entitled to a life, if he feels it won’t be a problem, he can do it, I guess. Just don’t ask him to ride any motorcycles, please Vince. And be prepared for the critics should you lose.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Sep 29, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
:)
I think you are a bit misinformed there John.
Ben asked Vince if he could go in and receive some training on the proper way to take hits from guys running at full speed. He believes this will help him with the forthcoming season.
Our O-line’s presence is completely justified as they are working on protecting themselves from the stunts and moves of their opponents.
Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL
Just hours after leading the Pittsburgh Steelers against the San Diego Chargers, Ben Roethlisberger, quarterback of the defending NFL Super Bowl Champions, will guest host Monday Night Raw at Wachovia Arena at Casey Plaza in Wilkes-Barre, Pa., this Monday.
And he’s not coming alone. Roethlisberger, the youngest Super Bowl winning quarterback in NFL history, will be bringing protection in the form of his Steelers’ offensive line teammates to Wilkes-Barre.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 29, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
We are strangers...
In a foreign land. C’mon now 99!
by NYSteelersFan4 on Sep 29, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Obviousman should remember me from last year, I can’t bear that he has forgotten.
Willie Colon - top 2 RT in the NFL
I haven't
You’re the guy that crushed all of my arguments on BTSC before the playoff game.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 30, 2009 3:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Har har, I wish.
I do like the dialogue between our two communities though – we don’t see eye to eye with some other teams.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
I remember having to console some Steelers fans who thought their O-line was awful. That was funny.
Yeah, Chiefs fans hate me for some reason. Steelers fans are alright. Although the city doesn’t like it when I walk around wearing my Rivers jersey.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 30, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I figured
just didn’t want to take a chance. Notice I didn’t use any of my own words because I didn’t want to look completely foolish?
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 30, 2009 3:22 AM PDT up reply actions
While I agree with you and personally think it is stupid I don’t think it will actually be that much of a distraction in the long run. If I had my choice they wouldn’t be doing it.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 29, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm ok with it
it’s their day off, it’s for Ben’s foundation, and it’s not like they’re going to be “rasslin”. As for the distraction argument – this lawsuit against Ben was supposed to be some huge distraction, and so far he’s played lights-out – our two losses are not on him.
Anyways...
I just stopped in to wish you the best of luck this week, saw some unanswered questions and it just didn’t seem right to ignore them. Best of luck on Sunday, I think you’ll be getting a very focused and angry Steelers team though. It will be a great game, I can’t wait.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Sep 29, 2009 11:02 AM PDT reply actions
Do you worry
about how many concussions Big Ben takes? The Chargers lost Stan Humphries that way.
Also do you think the age of the defense is taking a toll later in games? The Steelers were the gold standard on D last year, but they have a bunch of key players over 30 if I recall correctly.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Sep 29, 2009 1:09 PM PDT reply actions
I know I do...
Troy Polamalu also has a history of concussions. Merill Hoge comes to mind.
There is a percentage of fans who not only believe Ben’s career will be cut short, they’ve pretty much taken it as near fact. It’s a shame, but I can’t argue against it, he is human being like the rest of us, you can only take so many human to human trainwrecks.
As far as the age of our defense, it could definitely be a part of it. Historically we do not keep players around past a certain point in their careers. Not only have they changed the tune of the song, they’re singing a whole new song all together. Re-signing players like Farrior, Harrison, and Kiesel to long term deals at their respective ages is a new gameplan. I can’t say for a fact it is a factor, but I can’t say it isn’t, one of those things. It’s something worth thinking about for sure.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Sep 29, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
For the record
I think Farrior is very average.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 30, 2009 3:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I think James Farrior is routlly considered average although I think it is pretty unfair to characterize him. If you take the stats from 2006-2008 James Farrior and the NFL’s Golden Linebacker Ray Lewis have pretty similar stats.
Farrior- 14 Sacks, 2 Int, 5 Forced Fumbles, 3 Fumbles Recovered, 238 Tackles
Lewis- 10.5 Sacks, 7 Int, 5 forced Fumbles, 4 Fumbles Recorverd, 247 Tackles.
Stephen Cooper- 6 sacks, 6 Interceptions, 4 forced fumbles, 3 fumbles recovered, 177 tackles
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 30, 2009 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
meant to say he is routinely considered average.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 30, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Shawne Merriman(only played one game in 2008)
27.5 Sacks, 1 INT, 6 Forced Fumbles, 3 Fumbles Recovered
BOOSH
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 30, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Correct me if I am wrong but Merriman is an outside linebacker. A different Position. BOOOSH
How about somebody that plays the same positions stats for two seasons.
James Harrison- 24 Sacks, 2 Interceptions, 14 Forced Fumbles, 3 Fumbles recovered, 136 tackles.
BOOOOSH
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 30, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
DYMS
You should be aware that nothing that ends with “BOOSH”….and actually, nothing that comes from sdsuaztec4…..should be taken seriously.
Something about Harrison annoys the hell out of me. Perhaps it was the whole White House thing, but when I think of the guy all I think is ego. That being said, 14 forced fumbles in 2 seasons is redonkulous.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 30, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
O.K. thanks for the heads up….
Although to think of James Harrison and having a giant ego in the same sentence to me is hilarious. He really is one of the most modest, quiet, and introverted players on the Steelers and quite possibly the entire NFL.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 30, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Good to hear
I’ll try to adjust my stance.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 30, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
By all accounts, Harrison is one weird dude though.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
agree about that too…
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 30, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Did he get arrested by Tila Tequila?
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 30, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Who's side are you on?
This thread is way to amicable. We should have a smack talking thread in addition to a question thread.
Definitely keep it civil but come on.
Shouldn’t the Steelers fans be talking about how you kicked our asses in the playoffs?
I know I want to talk some smack about the Steelers losing to the BENGALS
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 30, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
We got to be dicks all summer long, but now we are fans of a 1-2 team.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
True
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 30, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
lmao
it’s funny because it’s true…you guys were everywhere being dicks to everyone…i probably be the same way after the chargers win it all this year
...ya'll are brutalizing me... ronnie dobbs
Why? I'm the smartest guy here.
And we extrapolate Merriman’s stats because of not playing.
41 Sacks 9 FF
So ya 14 is more but not many more. And almost double the amount of sacks.
But I missed the whole ILB thing. Oops.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 30, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
And I missed that you said two seasons.
I’ll let myself out…
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 30, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hehehe
That was fun to watch.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 30, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
He said two seasons
but his stats are from three.
by Natrone Bomb on Sep 30, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HarrJa23.htm
That stats I used were from 07’ & 08’ the only years Harrison has been a full time starter, besides this season.
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Oct 1, 2009 5:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Definitive
Harrison (two seasons)
24.5 sacks, 2 interceptions, 14 forced fumbles, 3 fumble recoveries, 191 tackles
Merriman (two seasons)
29.5 sacks, 1 interception, 6 forced fumbles, 3 fumble recoveries, 131 tackles
Harrison played in 4 more games over that time due to Shawne’s suspension, which makes Merriman’s sack number even more impressive. However, there’s no way he was going to get to 14 forced fumbles even with those 4 games. I’m calling it a draw after those two seasons. Any current or future analysis needs to be withheld until Merriman gets healthy.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
You're such a great leader.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 1, 2009 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Stephen Cooper
was only a starter in ’07 and ’08.
by Natrone Bomb on Sep 30, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s not something that I personally lose sleep over, but sure it is a concern but so is him getting his shoulder busted up or having a different career threatening injury. Ben Roethlisberger is not likely to play until he is 45 years old like a Brett Farve, but hey he has two Super Bowl rings and looks poised to add to that even if his window of opportunity might be a bit smaller. It comes with the territory.
As far as the defenses age coming into account for them stalling late in games, I guess it could be a factor but really I don’t think it boils down to that. I think teams are playing us a bit differently than they have in the past and it may take a few losses to teach the defense how to adjust to the new schemes and it simply requires extra effort and execution to get the job done.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 29, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
How do the Steelers keep such great lines year over year
The Chargers GM AJ Smith likes to build by the draft and has a penchant for skills players, he doesn’t focus on big men that much.
You guys root for a team that as far back as I can remember makes play at the line of scrimmage a focus. What do you look for as successful traits in your draft choices? Is it size? Is speed? Are there certain programs that produce the best Linemen? What does it take to be an O or D Linemen for the Steelers? How can you tell who is gonna be a stud and who will be a dud?
What are your thoughts on building by free agency?
Hey and thanks for fielding our questions.
by Trendsearcher on Sep 29, 2009 2:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I was hoping someone else would take a stab at this, since I’m a little out of my depth talking about line play. I’ll give it a go though. As a foreword:
The steelers over the last few years have also been focusing on “skill” positions, especially as relates to the offensive line. I don’t recall the exact numbers, but up until 2004 or 2005 or so the steelers had on their O-line a heavy dosing of top picks. First rounders, second rounders, third rounders – great talent. In Superbowl XL are line was anchored by Jeff Hartings (1st round), flanked by Faneca (1st round), Kendall Simmons (1st round), on the outside Max Starks (3rd round) and Marvel Smith (2nd round). Blitzburgh has a nice article that touches on this here: http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2009/1/9/715194/steelers-2005-super-bowl-r
Those are a lot of draft picks (though Hartings picked up in FA) that the steelers used on their line, and a lot of talent. Through that era the steelers also had coaches that could coach up their offensive line. Now the steelers are rolling with lesser talent and a coach has proven nothing, besides the fact that he has been using fat unathletic guys to play finesse football for the past two years. Coincidentally, our O-line has been pretty sad the last two years. Perhaps the steelers philosophy on the O-line is lead by…
Their philosophy on the D-line. The steelers current D-line is a hodgepodge of “raw” talent from 1st round keep-him-away-from-buffet’s Hampton to Aaron Smith (4th) and Keisel (7th). Their philosophy on that department has been to take guys with the body type they like later, and mold them into what they need from their 3-4 DEs. We have a phenomenal DL coach who is widely regarded to be LeBeau’s heir apparent who has been coaching them up. It is not a coincidence that our DL coach is the longest tenured member on the steelers staff, and has been doing it for 16 years.
The main thing the steelers need from their DL is work and unselfishness. Those guys work themselves to the bone every single play. They are the ultimate team players, never doing anything flashy and extremely unlikely to earn high accolades. Without that work ethic during the football games, they can’t succeed. Perhaps it is easier to find that sort of work ethic further down the draft chain where egos are less? The steelers have taken all sorts of guys in the draft and turned them into solid linemen, and it is their ability to learn footwork and handwork that I think turns them into such soldiers.
The steelers will use free agency when they have to. I don’t like it, and they don’t like it, as a stop-gap measure. If you get yourself into a hole where you need a stop-gap, then it can be necessary, the steelers certainly aren’t perfect in this regard.
Interestingly, the steelers invested a first round draft pick this past year on DE ziggy hood. Since the steelers typically do not invest high draft picks in linemen, there is talk that the steelers could be converting to a different style of line-play, but that’s premature at this point.
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Good Stuff….I typed half of a response and then my browser went back and deleted it all so I gave up…..it was an in depth question and you hit all the main points in my view.
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 30, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
One thing I would add is Pittsburgh was able to get a lot of defensive lineman help later in the draft in past yeras because not as many teams were employing a 3-4 defense, hence their was less demand on these types of players. With more teams switching to this style it means the pot of players is not as deep.
As far as Free Agency the Steelers are rarely big players and like Steelguy99 said it is a necessary evil in today’s NFL. You have to use free agency, but you also have to use it wisely. Signing Albert Haynesworth to 40 million dollars of guaranteed money is not smart, but signing Keyaron Fox from the chiefs to be a special teams standout for a pennies on the dollar does make sense. It is all about finding value and bargains in Free Agency and the Steelers have done a tremendous job of that in the past few years from Stefan Logan, to Keyaron Fox, to Mewelde Moore, and even James Farrior.
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 30, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Something I would add about the O-line is we’re trying to run a zone blocking scheme under Tomlin with players that Cowher drafted under man blocking scheme
LT Starks(04)
LGKemoeatu(05)
CHartwig FA
RGEssex(05)
LTWillie Colon(06)
Our problem is do we want to use a whole draft to draft new linemen and hope our D-line can hold up for the next two years because it takes two years for our D players to grow in are system. We are just really good at drapping UDFA like FWP, Staplton,
one small point to add to steelguy99's post
he mentioned hard work and unselfishness as a defining characteristic of Steelers D-linemen – Ziggy Hood fits that mold as well – anything you read about him suggests that he is a character guy of the highest degree, and I think that more than any one other quality made him pick #32 last spring…
What types of information lead you to think a player is a hard worker?
The unselfishness I can kind of understand and see on the field. In things like holding your block and trying to get a chip off the guy next to you, or flat out taking on two guys in your gap.
But what observations lead you to consider a guy a hard worker? Are there specific reports from practices that you like to see? Strength and weight gains over the off season?
Sorry for sounding like such a newb with this question, but the AFC west for as long as I can remember hasn’t been a "grind it out in the trenches" division (I think part of that is due to our weather). Somehow I feel like you all have a much deeper perspective regarding smash mouth football.
by Trendsearcher on Oct 1, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Ya, Coaches and reporters have been saying since Ziggy Hood was drafted that he has great character and is a very hard worker on the field, in the weight rooms, and outside of football as well.
I went to Steelers training camp and Ziggy seemed to work as hard if not harder than anyone else on the squad.
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Oct 1, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
i liked him at mizzou, i thought it was a pretty good pick for you guys
...ya'll are brutalizing me... ronnie dobbs
by notorioushbi on Oct 1, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Is it true Big Ben eats kosher all season long for good luck from the football gods?
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
Is my boy Dennis Dixon
The 2nd or 3rd stringer at the moment?
Also, what is the general consensus over Dixon’s abilities in Steelertown? All of us Ducks know he is the re-incarnation of god when in a spread offense, has he looked good out there in a relatively traditional offense?
Formerly, thats a no-go.
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I believe he is the number 3 quarterback. Many in steeler nation believe that he would see active playing time if Ben went down in spot situations, and perhaps get a chance to start. For a guy to close out a game though, right now the coaches are trusting Batch.
Almost everyone likes Dixon in steel city. He hasn’t looked amazing, but he has looked pretty good, and certainly competent. In a year many expect he could slide into the number two slot, and be a good number two at that.
Maybe the browns will trade their entire team to us at that point for him. Hell, they’ll probably do it this off-season.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
I would rather see Dennis play 2nd string on a team that wouldn't end his career...
Not even Dennis, Not even Dennis Dixon could solve the problems that the Browns have!
Formerly, thats a no-go.
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Charlie Batch is still alive?
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 30, 2009 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Stoney Case is still holding that grudge, so Charlie Batch better still be alive.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 30, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Dixon got hurt dring preseason putting him in 3rd string
Personally I like Batch and think he can come in and win a couple of games for us
it seems that
Malcolm Floyd is everything Limas Sweed was supposed to be.
i thought he was gonna be a stud coming outa college.
whats wrong with him?
He can’t hold onto deep passes. He looked solid in preseason on short routes, but he drops the ball going deep.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Sep 30, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
If DYMS doesnt mind me putting in my 2 cents
I was a big Limas Sweed fan and still have faith in the guy
Sweed has us all excited in the preseason as he made some amazing catches and routinely got open deep. He had a very impressive jump catch on a 45 yard bomb from Charlie Batch where he bet the receiver, came back, leaped into the sky and plucked it
However, why he hasnt been able to bring that to the regular season is beyond us. As one of the more patient members of our fanbase, Im starting to get sick of his big time drops as well
To me, his problem is mental. Too much thinking about what happens after the catch.
Look at Mike Wallace this season. Every catch he almost pauses to make sure he has cradled the ball correctly, then he worries about YAC. Sweed just needs to get his head in the game a bit better. We dont need him to be over flashy, we have a very good WR core, just need him to catch the damn ball
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by Michael Hewitt on Oct 2, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
You guys
should hang fire on him. VJax took like 2 1/2 years to develop, some wideouts start out full bore but they are the exception.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Oct 2, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely
Must say i like Vincent Jackson a lot.
Our deep WR core (wow, that doesnt sound right) makes the problem not so bad. Hes already shown that he can run great routes and get big time separation. He just needs to finish the play
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by Michael Hewitt on Oct 3, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm worried about the patchwork offensive line
With a few notable exceptions (Marcus McNeill getting bullrushed onto his butt against the Fish, the Ray Lewis stuff of Darren Sproles) they’ve seemed to pick up blitzing linebackers quite well, but they were terrorized by Haloti Ngata and Richard Seymour.
What impact does your D-line have usually? Do you forecast a big game for them?
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--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
the D line will have a solid game, but you won't see it on the stat sheet
the Steelers D line, like most 3-4 lines, is focused mostly on occupying blockers and allowing the linebackers to make plays. Casey Hampton did have a sack last week, equalling his total from last year. That said, if the interior of your line is as weak as suggested above, expect the pocket to collapse fairly quickly, and at least one sack out of Aaron Smith, Brett Keisel, or both. After the relatively poor showing in the pass rush department so far, expect it to be a point of pride to ratchet the pressure up this week…
If the ravens had a big game against you, the steelers will too.
Big Snack has been dominating the line of scrimmage this year. They will clog up running lanes and push the pocket.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
Actually
the Ravens’ D was held relatively in-check, the Chargers just couldn’t stop Willis McGahee.
The Chargers put up 26 points against the Ravens and allowed only 2 sacks with their patchwork line. Michael Bennett had success running against Baltimore (4.8 YPC), but did not get many chances.
Rivers threw two picks, which was the game-changer. One was a bonehead throw but the other was a tipped ball late in the game that the Ravens got to.
if the Chargers can do against Pittsburgh what they did against Baltimore’s D, I think they stand a great chance of winning.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
I didn’t watch the game, so I was just going off of what was said above.
Our defense has not shown a particularly great ability to apply pressure thus far this year. I expect a lot of stunts in the middle of your line. As said elsewhere, if you can keep us from applying pressure I think you’ll have the game.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
The Drop in defensive production is it age or is Troy Polumalu that important?
Are there any defensive players for the steelers showing signs of serious decline?
off topic - kind of
BFTB has a Fantasy League (well 2 Leagues). I have a mediocre team in the second league. With 24 teams (24!) it is extremely hard to improve your team if you draft bad (I did). Poor team that doesn’t rate it’s presumptuous name.
“I Drink Your Milkshake” is 1-2
To the League, sorry for the email. Should’ve just sent a message, but my Front Office is run worse than the Redskins. I will say, I’ve never visited BTSC before, and as such my team name is coincidentally named the same as a distinguished SB Nation blogger.
To DYMS, are you as much a PTA fan as I am, or did you just think that was an amazing film, and a close to perfect movie moment?
I thought to apologize for dragging your name (It’s yours, you definitely had it first) down into mediocrity, even in an arena of little interest. Then again…
We are both 1-2, facing a playoff bound team. Coincidence? I have to start Mendenhall this week. Doesn’t bode well.
actually this is really off topic
but I had to take the opportunity to let DYMS know I envy hs NN.
To put this on topic….
What do you think of Mendenhall’s chances of making an impact this year, and is he really in Tomlin’s doghouse?
Ok..here goes trying to answer all your questions.
BTSC has a fantasy league and I am also 1-2 in it, although my team isn’t bad I just haven’t gotten any breaks. My team name is also “Drink Your Milkshake.” So no worries on draggin it down to mediocrity.
I am a huge PTA fan, although I am not a huge fan of Boogie Nights like most PTA fans, I much prefer Magnolia, Punch Drunk Love, and even Hard Eight to Boogie Nights (Not to mention There Will Be Blood). I personally think that There Will Be Blood is the best movie of the decade and will be remember as such years from now. (I love the Coen Brothers, but No Country is not as good).
As far as Mendenhall I have no damn idea what he is going to do in a steelers uniform this year or next and anyone who does is a damn lair. He has been inconsistent in the little playing time he has had in the regular season so far and consistent questions have arisen about his work ethic and motivation. In the preseason both years he has got a decent amount of playing time and has had fumbling issues. There are lots of questions about Mendenhall to say the least.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Oct 1, 2009 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, If you are looking for a Steeler that is probably available to pick up in your league I would look towards Mike Wallace. He had a big game last week and could definitely be a big part of the steeler offense in the future.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Oct 1, 2009 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions
We had a guy like Mendenhall...
One of our draft choices Gatrell Johnson.
On film at the last level he looked great. On the feild he looked like a project. For better or worse, the Gaints solved our problem for us, maybe you should give ’em a call?
by Trendsearcher on Oct 1, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Surprising you guys let a 4th round pick walk. I don’t see the Steelers letting their first round pick from last years draft walk for no compensation.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Oct 1, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
It wasn't willingly
After week 1 the Chargers were down to 6 offensive linemen (so, 1 backup) and I think 4 defensive linemen (again, 1 backup). Those are two areas where they needed depth. They decided to cut Gartrell (project) instead of Michael Bennett (legitimate NFL player).
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
Ya, I figured their had to be a reason.
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by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Oct 1, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Baffingly, they also cut dime back Simeon Castille
and went with 3 CBs and 6 safeties. Honestly I think Clinton Hart should’ve been among the cuts…
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by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 2, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Hart is just plain terrible...
Thats the bottom line
Formerly, thats a no-go.
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In their defense, 3 of the 6 safeties played CB in college (Gregory, Weddle, Oliver) and can play dimeback if they’re needed. Castille is on the practice squad, where he belongs.
Although Hart looks bad from time to time, he’s been fairly solid in 2009 and is still the best SS on the team.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
Weddle played every position on the field at Utah
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 3, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Looks like LT is gonna start this weekend?
How have you been stopping the run so far?
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 30, 2009 6:24 PM PDT reply actions
is he starting?
was there an announcement, or are you speculating on his practice status?
I assumed he’d sit through the bye.
Full participation in practice
Sounds to me like he’ll play
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by John Gennaro on Sep 30, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
D has been pretty good against the run as per usual
Cedric Benson did have some success against us – 16 carries for 76 yards. However, the best way to run on the Steelers is to get the ball to a back in space – RB screens tend to be fairly effective. That said, Lawrence Timmons has been recovering from an ankle injury and looks to be in good shape this week – he has tremendous closing speed, and tends to take that part of a team’s game away.
If LT can get anything established
That should open up Sproles on the screen and PR17 on the pass
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 30, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus we now know that Phillip is a total dual-threat QB!
That should keep the D honest, He ran for what,… 400, maybe 500 yards against Miami?
Formerly, thats a no-go.
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It’s very unlikely LT will get anything established. Benson did well as our defense fell apart late in the game. If our defense does that again you won’t need LT. For the bengals it all started up front by opening up running lanes and getting their fat guys onto our LBs.
Typically our defense has been lights-out in the run game. I don’t expect that your backup OL is going to have much success pushing around our DL. I don’t expect LT to have more than 50 yards rushing.
I’m not saying it couldn’t, though.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
We're getting one OL starter back.
We will have 4/5 starters, but missing the most important one, C Nick Hardwick.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 1, 2009 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Question of the day: What is the meaning behind the name "drinkyourmilkshake?
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 1, 2009 5:51 AM PDT reply actions
Seriously?
This is the meaning. Now go see the movie.
DRAINAGE!!!!!!!!!
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
btw
Spoiler alert. Don’t watch past the “I drink your milkshake!” line if you want to be surprised at the end of watching the movie.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
Sheesh
Sorry If I wasn’t alive during the subject of that movie.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 1, 2009 6:19 AM PDT up reply actions
That movie's amazing
plus, that line is kindof popular.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
Thanks for clarifying John…good stuff.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Oct 1, 2009 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah that movie's the shit...
He raises the boy as his own so he could go town to town with the family man angle and take all the oil land.And that little prick he killed was a big ass douche.
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
I just want to thank the various commentators from BTSC
You guys have come over and given us straight forward answers with good supporting evidence and commentary. It is nice to see that the comments did not degrade to “you guys suck” from either side. It is nice to see a discussion from informed football fans rather than the typical banter from a moronic team-centered point of view. So thank you both BTSC and BFTB commentators for proving that at least during the week we are not all drunken idiots.
If I agreed with you, we would both be wrong
Thanks we try to keep that type of attitude on our blog as well as when we visit others. Of course their are few blogs that manage to bring out the worst in us, but BFTB certainly seems to have a style and sense of respect for other bloggers like we do.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Oct 1, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I think we’re just resigned to letting our teams figure out who is better on the field. It helps that the BTSC faithful think of the Chargers are a legitimate challenge to win Sunday’s game even though they lost in Pittsburgh twice last season. It’s that kindof “Here’s what I think, but you never know what’ll happen” philosophy that keeps us civil.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 1, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
The guys at steeler fury always do a preview of games. It’s the kind of analysis it seems like you guys might enjoy, whether you agree with it or not:
http://www.steelerfury.com/content/gospel-4home-where-heart
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
Meh
It’s okay, but he’s off-base with a lot of what he says about the Chargers (which doesn’t surprise me, considering he can’t possibly watch them as much as a Chargers fan). Here’s a run-down of things that are wrong
-“Jeromey Clary is a bum.” Maybe so last season, but he’s been phenomenal in 2009.
-“William Gay will cover Vincent Jackson.” Why would you put Gay (5’10") on Jackson(6’5") and Taylor (6’2") on Chambers (5’10")?
-“Kiesel is the laziest pass rusher in the NFL.” He does not understand the point of a 3-4 DE, does he?
-“Cromartie has been abused for the past 20 games” Nope. Cromartie was abused in 2008 when he played with a broken hip. He wasn’t even abused, he just looked average. In 2009 QBs have been throwing away from him and outside of one blown play he’s been as solid as any CB in the league.
-“Ward can be Jammer in coverage.” No he can’t.
-“Mendenhall will rush for 100 yards.” Ummmm….
While I think the guy makes some good points, it seems he used the Steeleres two 2008 victories against the Chargers to scout the 2009 team.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 2, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you talking about the Oakland game?
when you say Cromartie blew the coverage? I thought Hart was responsible for that one.
I blame both of them. If I’m a CB, I’m checking to make sure the Safety is in position before releasing him.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 2, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Im not convinced!
Based off of the spelling in Cromarties tweets, you cannot possible be him!
Anyways, Cromartie has looked good from the very little we have actually seen from him. As John said, QB’s are not throwing near him at all which is clearly a good sign from a DB standpoint
Formerly, thats a no-go.
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by CaDuck on Oct 2, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I never agree with everything he says, certainly not everyone on his site does either.
Specifically the two points you mentioned regarding the steelers. I really don’t know why Gay would be on Jackson, he certainly wasn’t last year, and his play hasn’t exactly become amazing since then.
He understands the point of a 3-4 DE very well, much better than I do. Our guys, specifically Brett, are not OLB’s by any means but they, especially keisel are very much expected to push the pocket. He is not a space-clogging kind of guy, he won’t eat up two guys. He lines up over a gap and pushes it. Hampton is a space-clogger and Smith is to an extent usually because one guy can’t handle him by themselves. Keisel has a different fit in our system than what you would think of as an “average 3-4 DE”. He has more speed than strength.
I have not re-watched the games to see who was on him, but Ward’s stat sheet looks awfully impressive against SD. Jammer is tough and physical, Ward is a nasty hombre and has been beating guys off the jam for years. He’s also been getting called practically every game for cheating.
I’m not going to overly defend his opinions though, because they aren’t mine. :)
I will say that Willie Colon has been phenomenal in 2009 as well, but he also is a bum.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
I liked Colon last season. I guess he reminded me a lot of Clary. Tons of strength, big body, light on his feet. That equals potential. Clary is definitely getting better and perhaps Colon is too.
I can’t deny that Ward had a big game last year in the playoffs. I just don’t see it happening again. Call it intuition.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 2, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I liked Colon last season. I guess he reminded me a lot of Clary.
There is not a single steelers fan that liked Colon last season, and there is very good reason for that. He was awful, really awful.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
So seemed Clary.
But Clary’s real problem was Goff, who went over-the-hill late in ’07.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 2, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
But good enough to be considered a top 2 RT in the league by our very distinguished OC ; )
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Oct 2, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions

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