(HD) Ray Lewis nails Darren Sproles to end the game. (via Rusty98UMtake2)
Notice Ray starts running before the ball is even snapped. I think he may have known the snap count.
I've watched a lot of Ray Lewis in my life, and I seriously doubt he would've risked giving the Chargers an easy first down there by "taking a risk".
As I've said. Not a poor play call, not Norv Turner's fault. Even if that was a pass play, Rivers is hit before he knows what happened. This play is on the offensive line and their inexperience.
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Dielman missed him completely. That may not have been his assignment, but Lewis ran right past him.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 21, 2009 12:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hard to put blame on that play. should dielman have seen lewis and turned up field early? does the play allow for that?
the center doubled-down on that play, so was lewis his responsibility? who knows. who cares. the game is over.
now they need to fix this sheeit.
by BORTZ on Sep 21, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was watching the WWL during lunch today
and during an interview, Ray Lewis stated that he had studied quite a bit of game film on Rivers – especially in that power running formation. Rivers had a tendency to snap the ball just a second after he took his initial squat. Apparently once he saw Rivers squat down, he knew to take off and was able to time the snap perfectly. He was so far off the line, it was damn near impossible to account for getting in that quickly. No one’s really to blame on this one, just excellent scouting by a future hall of famer.
Unfortunetely there was nothing Sproles could have done.
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by mystman995 on Sep 21, 2009 1:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is ugly
make it go away
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by Axion on Sep 21, 2009 1:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would like it better
If it was a spoof and Sproles found the end zone.
by Dude52089 on Sep 21, 2009 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Watching this confirms something I thought at the time.
There were at least two guys that could have picked up Lewis—Hester and Dielman. If either one of them do, that play works. The rest of the line got a great push.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 21, 2009 1:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
Take it away! Take it away!
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 21, 2009 1:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because it shows that, more than the fault of the playcalling or the offensive line, the play happened because Ray Lewis is really, really good.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 21, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should have signed him in FA.
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Sep 22, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if Ray didn't blow that up
both Dawan Landry and Tavares Gooden were waiting to take him down short of the first down. Ray did say in that interview that he studied Rivers and knew the play and snap count as soon as they got set. Then, he went on to say, he would either make the play or they would get the first down. I guess he guessed right, huh? That’s why he is still under rated as the best game film studier in the league and is still better prepared than any other player in the league, which he has to be at 34 years old. Other players join the Ravens and say they’ve never studied game film like they do with Ray.
Time to believe he is the best LB ever in the NFL. (Love the clip!)
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by Bruce Raffel on Sep 21, 2009 1:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on him being one of the most avid film-studiers in football. It’s one of the reasons I can never hate the man.
With that being said, he’s not the best LB ever in the NFL. Top 10, maybe top 5. Not number 1.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 21, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe they should add a hard count to the playbook
by CoastalBronco on Sep 21, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That probably would have been wise.
At the very least, even if he doesn’t jump offside, he lets the blockers know he’s run-blitzing, so they can pick him up.
I still think he should have been picked up by Dielman or Mruzckowski.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 21, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh!!
Hey guys, I’m a new-bee. you were my only source to follow the game, I’m living up in the bay area so I had no access to radio or TV.
that being said, one of the things I keep hearing repeatedly is how awful, and bias, the officiating seemed throughout the game. How much truth did you guys see in that, those of you that were at, or watched, the game?
by podpeople on Sep 21, 2009 2:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The officiating was awful but somewhat balanced
by Orz on Sep 21, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seemed worse because every call was against the Chargers, but there were a lot of stupid penalties by the Bolts (delay of games, false starts, unnecessary roughness). It felt worse than it was.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 21, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm reviewing this as part of Upon Further Review.
So far, I’ve seen multiple late hits by the Ravens that went unflagged.
The worst was an intentional helmet-to-helmet hit on Philip that the officials ignored.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 21, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ref's have thier job to do
but the players have thiers. bad officiating doesn’t equate to what players must do on the field. who do we blame for the delay of game, and the false statrs, and holding because they kept getting beat?
it all starts with coaching.
by gatesoftds on Sep 21, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the coach's fault
that a lineman flinches and draws a false start?
It’s Turner’s fault that a backup lineman holds because he’s getting beat?
It’s the coach’s fault that Phil can’t keep track of the game clock?
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 21, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, it is not
But to make that playcalling when you know your line is ‘weak" is stupid. You have to know where you have a flaw. Stupid, stupid call. C’mon Norv, you are an Offensive “genius”, act like one
by handsomeramm on Sep 21, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what i'm saying.
stupid call. everything up to that point rested on him making that call and failed. in basketball you give the rock to your star player for the win. that didn’t happen. you can’t expect sproles to light it up with that ravens defense.
by tonik on Sep 21, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see how a pass play would’ve been more effective.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 22, 2009 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do.
It was to Naanee and then he started dancing and got tackled from behind…
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 22, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes :)...JK......YES IT IS....LOL
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Sep 22, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A failure by the Chargers to execute does not excuse the referees’ failure to do their jobs correctly.
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by Richard Wade on Sep 21, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
The Ravens totally got away with gobs of interference, but it was mostly ineffective anyway. And we got a couple phantom calls against us, but they also let Merriman offsides to force an interception.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 21, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he wasn’t offsides. the replay shows him gettin a great jump. nothing more. i’ve even seen people on raven’s boards mention that it was just a well-timed jump.
by BORTZ on Sep 21, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The officiating was poor
But we’ve seen worse from Hochuli in Denver. There were alot of bad calls, and missed calls on both sides, but I don’t think that the officiating changed the game one way or the other. In that sense I’m not placing blame on the officials, although I do have a problem with 3-4 of the called flags, and another 3-4 non-calls.
The ones that stand out:
Running into the kicker English was pushed into the kicker and basically put up his hands to try to stop himself using the punter’s body. The punter used this to his advantage and dropped to the ground like a rock. I mean is this the NFL or womens figure skating?
No call for Pass Interference on Ravens D, against Chambers. The Ravens defender hit Chambers early, and the ball was deflected, and ultimately picked off.
Pass Intereference called on Burnett against Todd Heap. Burnett got slightly tied up with Heap while the ball was in the air, but immediately released him, allowing Heap to catch the ball uncontested. Heap dropped the ball resulting in the flag (Nice picture of this play in one of the SignonSanDiego articles).
by SJO on Sep 21, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
From what I remember...
It seemed that the Ravens were able to jump the snap count fairly easily on most plays. I’m pretty certain that Philip will change it up next week after reviewing tape.
by sdpads24 on Sep 21, 2009 6:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
at the end of the game
sdsuaztec4 was so pissed. His first words were “that was horrible. Norv Turner needs to be fired right now” or something of the sort. I was pretty upset too. Why take the ball out of the hands of the guy who has been producing all game? I was what it was and we lost. I appreciate your take on this post, John. It makes me feel better to acknowledge someone else’s talent rather than our own shortcomings. btw, you comin to nyc for the steelers game or what?
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by calipatrick on Sep 22, 2009 7:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"at the end of the game sdsuaztec4 was so pissed"
damn i wish i was there
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by Axion on Sep 22, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been trying to decide when I’m coming up. The Steelers game sounds like a good choice, although that’d be a long train-ride home if the Bolts lost. Right now I’ll say possibly. I’ll bring my lady, you can bring your lady and they can hang out with ’tec.
The worse thing about this loss is that when the Bolts are 2-2 after the Steelers game (probably), everyone is going to talk about “slow starts” and Norv again. That’s 3 tough playoff teams in the first 4 weeks! Oh well, I think Norv likes being the scapegoat. It takes pressure off of his players.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 22, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure they'll talk about the slow start for a couple of weeks
But hopefully that Week 6-8 slate of all 3 divisional opponents would put that to rest real quick.
This should probably be the Charger fan mantra for the first half:
“I’m okay with 2-2 as long as we’re 5-2 going into the She-li Showdown Part 2”
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by Wonko on Sep 22, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
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by John Gennaro on Sep 23, 2009 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the steelers game is the late game
but mj armstrongs was poppin. Ran into a girl I knew from junior high, Gompers Secondary. Anyway, you should go, my girl is really excited about that game. Hopefully you dont work super early on monday. She’ll be the 6’2" girl wearing the Sproles jersey.
Incidentally, the bolts backers are organizing party buses to take to the giants game and tailgate. Kinda steep but it’s a great group of people. sdsuaztec4, parlay yourself into some tickets already.
I encourage everyone to take in a game at mj armstrongs at some point.
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by calipatrick on Sep 22, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not coming to MJ's this weekend either but I'll be there with you for the Steelers Game
John should cruise, maybe I’ll try to find a lady of my own to bring so I won’t be such a loser.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 22, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn late games
Hmmm…..this could get tricky. I work for myself so I could take off Monday if I needed to, but my wife starts work super early. Let me think it over and see what we want to do.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 23, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That one's on Mooch
How do you not see 52 barreling right at your QB/RB? Gotta believe Hardwick picks up that run blitz. Doubling up the RT doesn’t do much compared to moving up to take on the ILB even if he’s not blitzing. All Mooch has to do is chip Lewis to his left and it’s a whole different ball game. I agree with the comment that there was a good push on the right side of the line – at least enough to give Darren a fighting chance. Dielman had to be thinking Mooch was going to take him. Would love to hear from Mooch and Dielman what happened on that play. Don’t they come on the local radio stations?
by Robo65 on Sep 22, 2009 9:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well
since Dielman is pulling, Mooch has to hit the man in front of Dielman. McNeil doesn’t have the angle on him. If Mooch doesn’t, then Dielman’s man follows him down the line to the ball carrier. It was a no win for Mooch, if he takes the DT, Lewis makes it in, if he takes Lewis, the DT follows dielman down the line and does the exact same thing.
Ray Lewis made an educated guess and guessed right. There is no way to stop that.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Sep 22, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is exactly why Seau used to blitz 90% of the time. You can’t stop it if the guess is right.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 22, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, some analysis. First, the run was clearly not up the gut… it was a play outside the right tackle with Chargers RG pulling and blocking with Chargers FB.
The Ravens had it called and beat. Ray Lewis bursting right through the vacated spot by Dielman is the big moment of the play, but the play was still in trouble.
The Ravens had SS Dawan Landry in contain on the outside, and he wasn’t going to be blocked by the two lead blockers. LB Tavares Gooden gets around the blockers too, meaning there were two Raven defenders right where Sproles would have wanted to run. He’s a fast little dude, so he might have made something out of it, but it wasn’t going to be easy pickings.
Bad play call? Maybe. The Chargers appear lined up in a 3 TE Goal Line formation… which appears to play to the Ravens strengths. Taking Vincent Jackson off the field for a key play is something I’m not going to complain about as a Ravens fan.
That being said, the Ravens were still playing the pass. I count pass rushing DE Trevor Pryce, LBs. Jarret Johnson, Terrell Suggs, Ray Lewis, Tavares Gooden, CBs Frank Walker and Dominique Foxworth, SS Dawan Landry. I’m pretty sure you were lining up with a goal line formation against our base defense. Running should give you an advantage.
by math_geek on Sep 22, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Last second snaps helping rushers?
First time poster. Thanks for all the inciteful commentary so far.
Q: Doesn’t it help the opposition time their blitzes when you routinely snap the ball on the last second… or later?
Seems like a rusher could just start near the zero count and be perfectly timed. If they are early, it’s an automatic DoG.
Of course they have to be ready for the occasional early snap with more than one second left on the play clock too. (OK, I’m exaggerating here, but it feels that way. God knows that I am very,very often nervously watching the play clock.)
I know that the DoGs have been discussed, and Rivers has promised to fix them.
Haven’t seen this possible benefit to the rush discussed yet though.
Is it not that simple?
by 1ISOtruth on Sep 26, 2009 8:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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