Bolts & Dolts: Baltimore Ravens at San Diego Chargers
Calm down, everybody. If there is such a thing, this was a good loss.
I see a lot of Chargers fans are piling on Norv Turner and saying that the Sproles draw play on 4th & 2 was a horrible play call. You're right and you're wrong. That same play led to an easy game-winning TD last week against the Raiders. Also, as the announcers were quick to point out, the Ravens were so focused on defending the pass that they had been putting 8 guys back in coverage and rushing only 3. The play should've worked. It should've caught the Ravens off guard and been a quick gain of 5 up the middle. However, Ray Lewis sniffed the play out and made the tackle in the backfield. The guy is a future Hall of Famer for a reason, and that was it.
Your complete list of Bolts & Dolts is after the jump.
Bolts
Offense
Norv Turner - 47 passes, 21 rushes. 474 yards of offense. I'm not an all or nothing kind of guy. If I see progress, I'm generally happy. All I ask is that things are moving in the right direction. This was progress. The Chargers spread the Baltimore defense out, setting up the run with the pass. They took advantage of the height mismatch they had with Malcom Floyd, Vincent Jackson and Antonio Gates. They threw screen passes to neutralize the blitz. The Chargers generally moved the ball down the field at will the entire game, until they got into the red zone. Considering how good Baltimore's defense is, and considering the Chargers were playing without three starters, I believe this to be progress.
Philip Rivers - 25/45, 436 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INTs, 4 rushes, 10 rushing yards. Let's not kid ourselves. It wasn't Philip's best game. While the offensive line did a good job of not letting many people through unblocked, the difference in the pressure he faced and the pressure Joe Flacco faced was stunning. Philip ran the ball 4 times just to get away from the rush, was sacked twice and threw the ball away at least a handful of other times to avoid a negative play. With his groin and hand cramping up and bothering him, he still drove the team down the field and nearly to a winning touchdown. He wins these games more often than he loses them, but you cannot expect him to win them all. Even with the lack of performance in the red zone, 26 points against one of the league's best defense is impressive.
Darren Sproles - 10 carries, 26 yards, 7 catches, 124 receiving yards, 1 rec TD, 128 ret yards. Was he dynamic as a runner? Eh, maybe. He had one carry for 13 yards, which means if you took that away he'd have 9 carries for 13 yards. That's not great, but you have to factor in that Baltimore prides itself on having great run defense, having not allowed a 100+ yard rusher since the dawn of time. Was Sproles dynamic as a receiver and a kick returner? Of course he was. 278 total yards in any game is impressive, but Darren makes it look relatively simple. Having a weapon like him on the field is a game-changer, as it forces the defense to put one of their best players on him and opens the field for everybody else. Even if the Chargers had to use him and Michael Bennett full-time, I'd be unconcerned about the offensive production going down.
Vincent Jackson - 6 catches, 141 yards, 1 TD. Every time you though to yourself "There's no way they're not going to be triple-covering VJ right here", he seemed to make a big catch. He used his speed to get past the CBs and his muscle to get the best position on the ball. His hands, which were really my only concern for him coming into this season, were not a problem. He caught 6 of the 7 balls thrown to him. This was a statement game for Jackson, the type that makes everyone in the NFL notice him and say "That's a number one WR."
Antonio Gates - 5 catches, 78 yards. Antonio looks like the 2007 or 2006 version of himself again. His speed and agility is back 100%. On the quick slant against a Safety or LB, he cannot be stopped. When he can get position on a ball that's thrown high, he's coming down with it. He was double-covered every time the Chargers got near the end zone (and Rivers still threw at him once), so he couldn't help much with those issues, but he was a major weapon all day and is back to being the best TE in football.
Nate Kaeding - 4/4 FGs, 2/2 PATs. Nate has looked excellent in both Chargers games this season. Not only would the Bolts not have had a chance at the end of the game without him nailing every one of his FGs, but his kickoffs into the endzone were certainly helpful for the defense.
Defense
Quentin Jammer - 6 tackles, 1 defended pass. Q did his "shutdown corner" thing all game. Derrick Mason ended the game with 3 catches for 31 yards and that's it. Joe Flacco had a hard time finding open receivers most of the day, and part of that is because Mason was blanketed by Jammer on every play.
Antoine Cason - 2 tackles, 1 defended pass, 1 INT. Just barely made it. I may actually be giving him more credit because of the initial mistake that led to an easy Kelly Washington TD. As I stated before, I like progress and I also like players that play better after they make a mistake. Certain guys, with Rivers and Drew Brees included, play better when they're trying to turn a bad game into a good one. Cason's interception was a huge momentum-shifter in the game.
Eric Weddle - 10 tackles, 1 tackle for loss. Just like Jammer, Weddle went mostly unmentioned throughout the game even though he led the team in tackles. He did a fantastic job in coverage, maintaining over-the top coverage for most of the game. Flacco had 2 pass plays for more than 20 yards, one was a screen pass and the other was Cason's busted coverage on Washington. Flacco kept from throwing deep because Weddle was there every time. Eric also was all over the field, making tackles on outside runs on the opposite side of the field from where he started.
Pass Rush - 1 sack, 4 QB hits. I can't have every defensive Bolt be a secondary guy. Although the pass rush only got 1 sack (Luis Castillo), their pressure kept the Ravens from being able to develop their routes deep downfield. Shawne Merriman, in particular, looked better than he did against Oakland and finished the game with 2 hits on Flacco. A heavy dose of exotic blitzing schemes from Ron Rivera was a good sight to see, and against lesser teams they should be more effective.
Dolts
Offense
Chris Chambers - 2 catches, 30 yards. Chambers was thrown to 10 times in yesterday's game and only came away with the ball twice. Nobody else has a percentage that even comes close to that. Sure, the coverage on him was pretty good, but even when the ball was hitting him in the hands he seemed to have a hard time bringing it in. Chris seemed like the missing piece of the puzzle for the offense yesterday, that would've taken it from "very good" to "great". I need to see more from him if he wants to be the #2 receiver on a team this deep.
Legedu Naanee - 1 catch, 8 yards, 1 rush, -5 rushing yards. Chambers is helped by a poor performance on Legedu's part that showed off exactly why he is not ready to be a starter. His lack of awareness on his fourth quarter catch may be part of the reason the Chargers lost the game. If he gets the first down, the Bolts maybe never see fourth down. Instead, he danced around 2 yards away from the marker trying to make 3 defenders miss and ended up getting tackled from behind. Legedu, trust me when I tell you that dancing around in the middle of a defense never works. It may seem like a good idea at the time, but all you're doing is giving somebody time to come up behind you and jar the ball loose with a big hit that you never saw coming.
Jacob Hester - 2 runs, 3 yards. Part of the argument I made for the Chargers to run a spread-out, pass-happy offense was that it fit Hester better. He'd be blocking safeties and corners instead of LBs. He'd have more space to be a better runner and a better receiver. Yesterday he brought nothing to the table as a runner (Hester's philosophy: grab ball, fall forward) and didn't catch a pass. In the second half I saw Mike Tolbert in there at FB for at least one running play, and I don't know that Jacob was injured. Could Tolbert be getting a chance to win the job back? I know that would make a lot of Hester-haters happy.
Defense
Defensive Line - I know, I know. Vaughn Martin and Ogemdi Nwagbuo split duties at NT and they're both quite young. Jacques Cesaire has been out for over a month and even missed part of this game with a bloody chin. I'm not going to really criticize because I thought they played well considering the circumstances, but I couldn't leave them off of the Dolts list because they were a big reason that the Chargers lost the game. Willis McGahee terrorized the defensive line to the tune of 79 yards on 15 carries (5.3 YPC) and 2 easy-looking rushing TDs. Don't think the Dolphins and Steelers haven't seen the porous rush defense by the Chargers each of the last two weeks. They're building their gameplan around it.
Referees. I will freely admit that a team with new offensive and defensive lines, that haven't been playing together all through training camp, typically have problems with penalties. However, this was a little ridiculous. The Chargers were flagged three times as much as the Ravens (12-to-4) for nearly three times as much yards (85-to-32). Let's not even go into the play where the referees jumped in the middle of the line, didn't stop the playclock, and forced a false start on Baltimore. It seemed like the first time these umps had ever worked an NFL game.
They did call a mostly-fair game in terms of penalties. The Chargers just made more mistakes. There were a handful of delay of games called on Rivers (one of which was the official's fault and a killer in the fourth quarter), a couple of false starts, and other plays that couldn't go un-called (Dobbins' unnecessary roughness, Burnett's PI). Luckily, none of the really bad calls (running into the kicker, Hester's non-existent chop block) really killed the Chargers. Rivers still threw a TD after Hester's chop-block and the defense still force a punt 3 plays later after English's foul on the punter. The non-call on Rivers' second INT was kindof BS, but almost understandable because the refs had made it known that they were generally "letting them play" in the 4th quarter.
The biggest killer, and one that probably burns Norv Turner the most, was the delay of game call at the end of the 2nd quarter. According to Norv, and I believe he's right, the official made a motion that signifies that the playclock has been reset to 40 seconds. Yet, 11 seconds later, the playclock hit zero and the Chargers are moving back from the goal-line to Baltimore's 5 yard line. What started off as a relatively easy TD (QB sneak probably would've done it) was turned into a Nate Kaeding field goal instead. This was just part of the ref's buffoonery (not just towards the Chargers, but towards both teams) from yesterday's game.
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Great analysis of the game John.
I think that we showed grit and guts out there for most of the game.The only frustrating thing was our inability to score in the red zone.I’m also glad that we are able to put a decent amount of pressure on the QB.It looks like positive progress to me and we should be ok for the next few games until we get some of our starters back.
NEVER MISS A GAME,WHETHER BY BEING THERE OR WATCHING AT HOME,FO SHO!!!
by Gorditoe1 on Sep 21, 2009 5:09 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Wow
A calm, logical Gordi. One who is okay with a Chargers loss?
Up is down. Black is white.
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You ain't kidding
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 21, 2009 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had to wait till Monday to calm down...still feel good about it though....
I’m an optimist at heart.You should have seen me on Sunday,I was still pissed from Saturdays ass kicking Marquez took. We drank A LOT of liquor woke up watched the Chargers lose and said “Hey what a great ending to my weekend”. So I just took Sunday as a day to reflect and compose myself before doing anything too brash.
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by Gorditoe1 on Sep 22, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love to hear it
Your kid looks like a young Luis Castillo
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 22, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he does look like a little DE.We're going to meet him later on at the supermarket where we shop,he's gonna sign my new hat.
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Sep 22, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
gordi fell for John's jedi mind trick
Calm down, everybody. If there is such a thing, this was a good loss
I actually think now is a good time to panic. None of the problems we had last year that led to an 8-8 record have been fixed. We still can’t run the ball, we still can’t stop the TE. We still can’t stop the run, and we still aren’t getting good pressure on the QB. The pressure was a little better than last week, but not much. Surprisingly, after a really good preseason, ILB seems to be a problem. Cooper is still solid, but Burnett (who I had penciled in as preseason all-world) has given way to Dobbins on occasion. We are still starting slow and having to race to catch up at the end.
If these things don’t change, we might be looking at another 8-8 season. Which might be good enough to make the playoffs in the west again…
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Sep 21, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I’m left unconcerned because I’m still confident that we’ll win the West. It’s my prerogative that all you can ask for is an invitation, then pray for good health and some momentum. It’s how Arizona got to the Super Bowl last year (they had/have the same problems as the Chargers).
Remember that this was Burnett’s second regular season game in a new defense. He can still get better as he gets more comfortable.
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were a 9-7 team last year if Hochuli doesn’t steal a win from them. Also, they played better than their record indicated. If they’re as good as they were last year they should win about 10 games still.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Sep 21, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we were a 7-9 team if Herm Edwards doesn’t call a timeout for us at the end of that KC game.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Sep 21, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The team you’re playing against is part of the equation. The referees shouldn’t be.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Sep 21, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Na, but I do feel down about it still...
But what can any of us do? Unless I turn into an LT/AP hybrid and go work out for AJ and Norv and then run for 3 million yards and 5 million td’s…..well you get the picture.I just gotta keep on truckin with my favorite footballers the San Diego Super Chargers…Chargeeeeerrrrrssss!!!
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by Gorditoe1 on Sep 22, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair comments
All true and no mention of the refs, good boy. See my congratulatory post at the bottom of previous story. Good luck to you and better re-sign VJ soon or we’re grabbing him as soon as he goes on the FA market next year!!!
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by Bruce Raffel on Sep 21, 2009 6:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Refs are at the bottom of the story, but I said that they were mostly fair. The weird “did the reset the playclock at the end of the 2nd half?” thing was odd, but so was the ref jumping in the middle of Baltimore’s offensive play and forcing a false start.
The refs were fair, but atrocious. They punished each team equally with their buffoonery.
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Norv not a Dolt?
Maybe for 59:30 minutes, Norv was a Bolt… but to RUN the ball on 4th and 2, behind a makeshift right side of the ball against Ray Lewis and a huge DL that shut our run down all game (and a straight run at that, no trickery?)… I’m sorry, that is a Dolt if I’ve ever seen one… run on 3rd down, maybe, not on 4th. You talk about putting the ball in your best players hands when you need a play… that did not happen.
by San Diego Viking on Sep 21, 2009 7:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just to add...
I may be mistaken, but I think the play against the Raiders was a draw, not a straight run, like yesterday… and the Raiders TD run wasn’t the potential last play of the game, either… and, it was the Raiders… etc etc
by San Diego Viking on Sep 21, 2009 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you think we could've completed a pass?
Here’s a breakdown of the Chargers offense in the red zone yesterday, in order:
-Bennett run for 3 yards
-Rivers sacked for -10 yards
-Rivers run for 4 yards
-Kaeding FG
-Sproles run for -1 yard
-Sproles catch for -1 yard
-Incomplete pass
-Kaeding FG
-Delay of Game penalty
-Incomplete pass
-Incomplete pass
-Kaeding FG
-Delay of Game penalty
-Rivers run for 3 yards
-Incomplete pass
-Sproles catch for 5 yards
-Kaeding FG
-Incomplete pass
-Sproles run for -5 yards
Offensive Stats in the Red Zone: 5 runs, 4 yards. Rivers was 2-7 for 4 passing yards and 1 sack.
So…..does everyone still think it was the dumbest call Norv possibly could’ve made?
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dumbest call
Would of been to take a knee, but that never would of happened.
I don’t agree with the play call but give credit to ray lewis he saw the play coming the whole way. I would of liked to see some fade routes in the corner of the end zone though while we were in the red zone. I thought that might have been more logical considering we have height over the ravens.
by Dude52089 on Sep 21, 2009 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think fade routes only really work in one-on-one situations, which is why the Ravens constantly had 2-3 guys on Gates, Jackson and Floyd. It was brilliant defense, really.
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
True about your RZ woes, but...
….I say throw the ball into the end zone or at least past the 1st down marker on both 3rd and 4th down. Your best against ours and te better team wins. Just don’t take the ball away from the playmakers on the most important play of the game. And I’m not considering the shifty Sproles running the ball a “playmaker,” as he is one on the swing pass or out in space.
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by Bruce Raffel on Sep 21, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do think we could have completed a pass, but...
I think your breakdown exemplifies my point, actually. Per above, on straight RB runs, we were 3 attempts for -3 yards. On passing plays, we weren’t much better, but at least we had the option of Rivers completing a pass or scrambling for 2 yards for the first. But when we just did a straight handoff, we were left with only one option, an option that clearly didn’t work all game. Add in the fact that it was to the right side of the line with 2 new starters, and a dubious regular starter, I’m just saying.
by San Diego Viking on Sep 21, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta agree...
… that it was a dumb call. What we saw at the “end” of the Raider game was a draw from a spread formation — on a play that made the most sense as a pass. THAT’S catching the defense by surprise. This was a run from a run formation. The surprise factor wears off right about the time they figure out the formation
But it’s not just an issue of run vs. pass. It’s the specific plays Norv called in the red zone. I’m not saying that Philip has the speed and agility to run an effective Sprint Right Option or a Naked Bootleg, but I’d bet dollars to donuts that SOMETHING with the imagination beyond the junior college ranks would have worked better.
by Andy (allfield) on Sep 21, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the Raven's front
I think any team has to plan to reach the end zone from outside the red zone. On that short field advantage has to go to the Ravens. FWITW I saw some positives, and anticipated a bigger beating than we got.
We’ll have to see going down the road. The problem really isn’t scheming. The coaches did a great job finding ways to be competitive. The problem is injuries to our skills players. Once our Lines break down, the big guys from the other team get to pound on our little guys every week.
How long will it be before we start seeing Line backers and Safeties go down? And Rivers? And the RB’s?
Over the last few years it seems that AJ has focused more on skills than Lines. It must be that he thinks there is more parity between the big men, than the skills players. We are gonna find out if the team can be successful with "plug & play" lines. Personally I don’t think so, but we’ll see.
by Trendsearcher on Sep 22, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ray Lewis
probably had a key for that play. Either he had figured it out in film study or had figured it out during the game. It is entirely possible that the two fresh OL were giving something away with their stances or something like that. A HOF caliber guy like Lewis might pick that up in the 1st quarter and sit on it until he needs it. Point is, he knew what the play was before the snap. No way for us to know that. That is the way it goes.
You can’t make a championship run on last second drives… Those are going to come up empty as often as they work out well.
That play (and the play call) can hardly even be called bad. We have such bigger fish to fry like red zone effectiveness, running game, stopping the running game, stopping the TE.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Sep 21, 2009 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup
Lewis was doing it all game. Rushing straight up the middle and getting pressure. I’m not sure either if it was on Mooch or Rivers but Lewis did say after the game that once Rivers squated down, he started his rush. Just a smart and intelligent football player. I remeber he said one time " I don’t play against QBs, I play against offensive coordinators."
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by L Magico on Sep 21, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the worse call
Was to kick the field goal at the end of the half on 3rd down. Good coaches might go for the field goal. Winning coaches go for the TD.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 21, 2009 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely zero success with the red zone offense. Better to take the points and try to fix it at half time.
Plus, if they were out of timeouts (and I think they were), you’re playing a big risk by even trying for the end zone because of the amount of penalties the O-line was racking up. A penalty and a clock run-off would’ve meant zero points.
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a very very conservative call. I thought we fired Marty?
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 21, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call me conservative
I take the points every time. Being down 21-13 with the Ravens getting the ball would make me less optimistic.
Did you go to MJ Armstrong’s?
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I suppose I’ll do a fanpost
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 21, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
calipatrick was there too, and mobile-commented in the open thread. It gave me the idea of doing a BFTB meetup there during a game.
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I met up with calipatrick and his gf
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 21, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hubba hubba
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of SD people there who had moved to Ny recently
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 21, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When are you guys coming to SD again?
We could watch a game at my house and eat some good food and drink some good liquor…just saying…lol
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by Gorditoe1 on Sep 22, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But 99% of the time you're getting the points anyway
He was overly focused on what could possibly go wrong instead of looking at the probabilities. If you’re going to focus on the worst case scenario, why wouldn’t you just kick the field goal on first down? No possibility of a sack or turnover to prevent the points then.
by benrb on Sep 21, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hindsight? Yeah.
But I didn’t blame them at the time. We would have won if we’d got in on that play, but we wouldn’t be talking about a last-second loss if we’d turned it over or burned the clock.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 21, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree the FG call was bad, but
they had time to throw the ball into theend zone for one shot and then kick it if they don’t get the TD. Too conservative, but fine w/ us Ravens fans.
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by Bruce Raffel on Sep 21, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
…and if there was a penalty, they would’ve been stuck with zero points.
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry christmas
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 21, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Norv's use of timeouts was great.
I thought he might have been a bit conservative on the last play of each half, but the play-calling was actually very good all around. We had several opportunities to win that game.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 21, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wrong call at the wrong time
I agree, should have tried the run on 3rd down not on 4th. and maybe an option play pass to Naanee since he was a QB before. We haven’t used that play in a long time.
by bambi19 on Sep 21, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
4th and 2 with the game on the line. Perfect time for a trick play that you’ve never run before behind an offensive line half made-up of backups.
(sarcasm)
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
sarcasm
yes noted but you miss the point do not run the play on 4 and 2 run the play on 2nd down, Rivers didn’t complete it anyway. Catch them by surprise .
by bambi19 on Sep 21, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
on 2nd down they ran a pass play to Naanee that went for 8 yards and should’ve been 10. If you run your trick play and it doesn’t work out, now you have 3rd and 10 instead of 3rd and 2.
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 22, 2009 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
red zone 4 times
They could have tried it once( option run/pass) the four other times they were in the red zone, please get off the 4th and 2 at the end of the game.
As you noted they were not fooling anyone in the first 4 visits in the red zone. So I am saying they could have tried it earlier, NOT on the last play on the last seconds of the game.
by bambi19 on Sep 22, 2009 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not a play you try during the game. You come up with it during the week, you try it in practice and then MAYBE use it in the game. Letting a non-QB throw the ball is always a risky proposition.
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 22, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chargers football
There was a lot to like in this game. Despite the injuries and a multitude of excuses to roll over, the team showed grit and was in the game until the last play. The Chargers have well-deserved reputation for reserves stepping up when starters go down, and this week was no exception. This team just does not give up.
I can’t fault the play calling, since it was fun to see them open up the passing game. It worked well, and setting up the run with the pass was for the most part effective. Where it broke down was inside the 5 yard line. Short yardage looks to be a significant weakness for this team, which brings into question the release of Gartrell Johnson. Like others, I’m surprised Bennett didn’t get a shot a short yardage, since it’s never been a strength of Sproles.
Regarding the 4th and 2 call, I think you’re right on target John. Although a pass seemed to have more of a chance of success, the surprise call of a run was not without merit. The biggest problem I have with the play is that it didn’t look like Ray Lewis was accounted for — when playing the Ravens, there should be at least one hat on #52 every time you run the ball, but especially in this type of key situation.
Despite it all, the Chargers are competitive even when the chips are down. It’s what makes them fun to watch, and a formidable opponent.
by CoastalBronco on Sep 21, 2009 8:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If you had accounted for Ray
then someone else would’ve busted up that play. Poor, poor playcalling for a team that couldn’t run against us ALL day, so WHY NOW!?
As far as complimenting the playcalling, Norv had no choice but to give up running the ball. Besides your big receivers could just outmuscle our DB’s. Other than the one great pass to VJ with three guys covering him, the rest of his passes were the type that Brady threw to Moss in their recordbreaking year. Throw it up and hope he comes down with it. If it works stick with it. But run at the most important part of the game. Lost me on that one!
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by Bruce Raffel on Sep 21, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense, but you can’t really brag about shutting down the running game when our starting RB is 5’6" in high heels.
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, so that was his problem!
JK, jk!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 21, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd much prefer to have Ray accounted for
than any other Raven. It all starts with him on Balt’s defense.
by CoastalBronco on Sep 22, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In spite of everything there was a lot to like about this game.
The obvious: Phil murdered a pass defense that gave up an average of about 190 yards/game last year.
The not-so-obvious: We only allowed 1 catch to an opposing tight end. For a pass defense that surrendered the 2nd most yards per game in the league last year, we allowed only 190 passing yards and the vast majority of those were dump-offs to running backs.
After a crappy first half, the defense again rebounded. We allowed 202 total yards in the first half, including 84 yards rushing.
In the second half, we allowed a total of 109 yards, and only 46 yards rushing.
They’re still figuring out how to deal with the losses of key players. Give them time, and I think they’ll work it out for the better.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by maestro876 on Sep 21, 2009 8:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I also think that Clary had a pretty good game.
I’m not positive though. I’m going to watch for these things on my Upon Further Review.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by maestro876 on Sep 21, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he did too. I didn’t see the Ravens get pressure from that side at all. McNeil had some problems staying with Suggs, who is ridiculously fast around the corner.
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
We had 5 key players OUT and more key players playing injured (sound familiar?) and had a couple of bad bounces. We played a legitimate Super Bowl contender and probably should have won the game. I think the good thing I can take out of this game is that if we play them again in the playoffs I think we can beat them the second time around. We have a crappy division and a fairly easy schedule. I’m actually less panicked this week with a loss, than I was last week with a win. Strange, but then I realized we always play the Raiders close at their stadium and whup up on them at Qualcomm.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 21, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 catch by TE is technically true
but he did draw that PI penalty. If he hadn’t been interfered with, he would have had an additional 30 yards or so an another TD. Heap would have had a line like 2 catches for 40 yards and 2TDs which doesn’t make me feel real good.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Sep 21, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a BS PI call. Nobody was touching him when he jumped up and the ball went through his hands.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 21, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
most PI calls are borderline. Burnett’s PI on Heap was as much as Foxworthy’s on Chambers (which wasn’t called) So you have a point, but Burnett was right there in his body and didn’t turn around for the ball. More often than not, that will be called. It was a borderline call, but I wouldn’t call it BS.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Sep 21, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was touching Heap before the ball got there
But when he was trying to make the catch nobody was touching him. So illegal contact? Sure. PI? I don’t think so.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 21, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With this argument, I could kick Randy Moss in the stomach while the ball’s in the air as long as he’s lying on the ground by time the ball gets to him.
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't sound like a bad idea.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 21, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure this is how the Patriots DBs used to cover the Colts receivers.
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bs officials
What about on their first possession that guy shoves sproles after the play. The ref even jumped in and broke it up. No flag. Also, on the last kick off return sproles was hit well out of bounds, no flag. Or how about one for excessie celebration after they scored a touchdown to go ahead. I don’r remember if it was after the second one or third one, but the guy kept dancing around and some of his team mates ran over and joined in. No, it seemed to me the refs were going to let the ravens play, but n ot the chargers. Granted, if the defense could tackle and the O line block, we still would have won. The defense needs to work on fundamentals like tackling. How many times did a charger defender hit a guy but no grab him and make a tackle? In the firt quarter too mmany times it was the third defender to hit a guy who made the tackle. Is rivera not seeing it or addressing it or are the players not listening?
by irishlad on Sep 21, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this too
I’m very agreeable today.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 21, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rivers is the man
He was just straight ballin. I agree that this isn’t the worst loss because of the quality of the opponent and our injury situations, but watching Rivers bomb the **** out of the ball was sick.
The refs did suck, but there was a lot of confusion during the game. The timeouts and delay of games were just crazy.
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by L Magico on Sep 21, 2009 10:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One
call that comes to mind was the no call of PI on Rivers second int. I believe it was Foxworth who hit Chambers a good second before the ball got there. This in turn led to us having to get a TD instead of a field goal on the final drive. That hurt! Second where did an effective M. Bennet go? He was effective on his 4 rushes in the first half. Otherwise good breakdown obviousman!
by GABOLT on Sep 21, 2009 10:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The refs didn’t really call anything in the 4th quarter. I think the Chargers probably benefited from that just as much as the Ravens, although probably downfield and out of sight.
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turner a bolt? Are you kidding me?
by handsomeramm on Sep 21, 2009 11:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Turner was mostly really good.
Play-calling was solid. You can say he called a bad play at the end and I’d agree, but if that had been a pass play, it would have been a sack, and you’d be wondering why he didn’t call for a run (2 yards! 2 stinkin’ yards!). The only way that play was going to work is if Lewis bit on a funny count and went offside, and you can’t do that sort of thing with a backup center.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 21, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
why not? The backup center is still a highly paid professional that spends all week practicing football.
My garbage college intramural team drew offsides this way and we were lucky if we held a practice any given week.
by BoltDaddy on Sep 21, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Handsome Ramm
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ray Lewis will show you a Handsome Ramm!
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 21, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed the play Tolbert lined up at FB as well
He looked like he found someone and pasted him quite nicely. I wouldn’t put myself in the Hester-Hater camp but I’m a fan of more PT for Tolbert.
by BoltDaddy on Sep 21, 2009 11:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
it wasn’t long after he killed the guy on ST and he hit somebody hard blocking too
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The coaching decision at the end of the half
Seemed more like avoiding blame for a loss than going for a win. Ten seconds it plenty of time to throw a jump ball to VJ or Floyd in the corner and still take the figgie.
by BoltDaddy on Sep 21, 2009 11:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually you could make a case for Tolbert as a bolt
In very limited time/special teams. I saw him strip a ball and then lay a hit on Carr. I know its small but in the plays where i saw him he was doing stuff to help the team.
by Dude52089 on Sep 21, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He came really close
because that’s the biggest hit anybody’s laid in a year for the Chargers.
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he makes it on the list if he doesn't stomp and preen
his way clear into the endzone, seemingly oblivious to the fact that the team is still down. Whatever good he did, even if you say he “pumped up” the team with the hit and celebration, was undone in the ravens first play, a 9-ish yard run.
by Lenny Suckerpunch on Sep 21, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loved that dance.
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing you don't want is Weddle to lead the team in tackles again
I like that he is a bolt but when he leads the team in tackles that means the linebackers and lineman are getting beat on running plays.
by Dude52089 on Sep 21, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. If the D plays right, Cooper and Burnett should lead the team in tackles. Cooper was a close second and is probably leading for the season.
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 21, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with nearly all the points
Rough day at the old gridiron yard
Saw a couple interesting story reports while surfing around the blogosphere
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/10102178/Second-Guesses:-Chargers-misread-in-red-zone
http://mrsportsblog.wordpress.com/2009/09/20/pin-chargers-loss-to-ravens-on-the-head-coach/
by cucamonga on Sep 21, 2009 1:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
At least Burnett seemingly
shored up a few of his massive gaping blows in coverage. Overall, I am actually confident in what I see in the D-line. I think that a few more games will get these boys experience and confidence to eventually gel as a unit and begin to get some push up front
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by CaDuck on Sep 21, 2009 4:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This was just part of the ref’s buffoonery (not just towards the Chargers, but towards both teams) from yesterday’s game.
You were definitely fair in your analysis, but I feel that it is important to note that Merriman blatantly jumped the gun late in the game, and was therefore able to hit Flacco and force a pick.
I haven’t looked at this play many times after the fact, but I thought the call was beyond obvious at the time.
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by Baltimo on Sep 21, 2009 5:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Replay showed that he wasn’t offsides.
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by Richard Wade on Sep 21, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then I'm wrong
Again, I haven’t seen the play since, but unless Merrimen times things flawlessly, then it looked like he jumped early.
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by Baltimo on Sep 21, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A blatant play that the refs missed
was when Suggs collected the sack on Rivers. Towards the end of the play, one of your linebackers came flying in and hit Rivers helmet to helmet. Clear as day. No flag.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by maestro876 on Sep 21, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They showed the replay in SUPER slow motion, even doing a close-up on the ball, and saw that Merriman did time it flawlessly for at least that one play.
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by John (obviousman) on Sep 22, 2009 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Merriman looked better than "not 100%" on Sunday
And I’ve since seen the play and agree that he just got an unbelievable jump.
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by Baltimo on Sep 22, 2009 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Merriman was not 100% and it showed.
Close… functional… good enough to start… but nothing like 100%. He was slowed, he missed tackles he never would have missed before the injury, he was getting frustrated late in the first half… but he’s a great player.
If SD’s poor red-zone performance is a blip, a result of a star-studded defense, fine. We’ll figure out this week: Miami has a very good secondary even if they’re not a great team overall. We’ll also have a big test for our inexperienced run-D.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 22, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*timed
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by Baltimo on Sep 21, 2009 5:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to avoid negativity
Baltimore is one very good team, seing them with my own eyes the last two weeks, I come away with the opinion that the Ravens are a 11-13 win club and a serious contender. So that being the perspective, getting 26 points and almost 500 yards on a very good to great defense, if were not for struggling in the red zone and missing Jamal Williams that probably would have been a win.
I know coulda, shoulda, wouda, there was progress it was a 50-50 game and they came out snakeeyes.
In terms of defense they need a full conviction to complex blitz packages it’s what works i.e. Jets, Ravens, Steelers. More activity on the D-Line to help the run defense, at this point were hoping for a mediocre run defense.
On offense, come on Norv you seem to have drunk half the glass of cool aid on the spread offense, its time to drink the whole glass, its time to go shotgun spread in the red zone.
by TJBOLT on Sep 22, 2009 12:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That is why we will miss JW
In terms of defense they need a full conviction to complex blitz packages it’s what works
Yes the blitz on every play would be nice, but if the Offense lucks into the correct blocking calls and our Blitzers end up in the wrong gaps – we give up a BIG gain, possibly a trip to the house. That was one of the great things about JW he could pull a double team and still move into / push somebody into those interior holes. Without him we need our LBs to stay at home a little more and catch those runners at the next level.
Notice how Rivera was sending more CB and Safety blitz’s last week?
by Trendsearcher on Sep 22, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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