Upon Further Review: San Diego @ Oakland
I've taken the liberty of re-watching the entire game, with an eye towards the defense and the pass-rush. Here are my notes, quarter-by-quarter, with analysis and final results. I'm completely untrained, so keep that in mind when evaluating my thoughts. As always, comments are appreciated.
1st Quarter:
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Overpursuit by outside linebackers. Too busy going after Russell when he doesn't have the ball.
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Rivers missed an open Gates for a 3rd down conversion.
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D-line letting offensive linemen get to the second level and bock linebackers.
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Miller's 1st catch—Cooper had coverage responsibilities, was about a half second too late to make play.
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Almost exclusively rushing 4. Occaisionally 5. No stunts.
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Miller's 2nd catch—Looks like Burnett had the coverage responsibility, got turned around and lost Miller. Burnett's mistake.
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Bush TD: Failure to fight off blocks, failure by D-line to get any push.
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Sproles started the night very good on kick returns.
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First toss-play to the right side went for 4 yards. Pretty good job blocking by the line.
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First sack: This one's on Clary. He got bull-rushed by Greg Ellis and pushed straight back into Rivers. This prevented Philip from stepping up, and allowed Seymour time to fight through a double-team to get the sack. Seymour gets the stat, but Ellis made the play.
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LT just has to hang on to that ball. Cost us at least 3 points. Hopefully that's his fumble for the season.
Analysis: Our offense touched the ball twice, for very little time. Can't say much about them, except the obvious (LT shouldn't fumble). Our defense was attempting very little. Rushing 4 or 5 exclusively, with no stunts, twists, or any attempts at misdirection.
See my notes and analysis on the rest of the game after the jump.
2nd Quarter:
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Defense did a better job of defending the run.
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On a 2nd and 6, Burnett and a D-lineman (either Johnson or Martin) did a great job blowing past their guys to get to Russell. But, he eluded both of them and threw an off-target pass to McFadden who couldn't make the catch.
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On the ensuing 3rd and 11, we rushed five and actually got pressure forcing an errant throw. But, Jammer got flagged for illegal contact, and gave the Raiders the first down.
- Once when we rushed 5, we actually did so by dropping Merriman and blitzing Cooper. This resulted in a free rusher (Cooper) getting to Russell, but he dropped the ball off to Bush on a screen who picked up positive yardage.
- On the ensuing 3rd down and 6, we again rushed 5, and ran a bit of a twist with Phillips starting outside and then coming inside, but the Oakland offensive line picked it up enough to let Russell hit Miller over the middle, who beat Gregory for a 17 yard catch.
- Thank God for Steven Cooper, who stripped McFadden on a 2nd down rush that would have picked up a first down at about mid-field.
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On offense, Turner finally started getting Gates involved, calling a quick pass to him that netted a dozen yards.
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Kris Dielman did a piss-poor job blocking Tyvon Branch on the screen play to Manumaleuna. Just really bad. Had he actually blocked him, that would have been a nice positive play. Instead, we lost 2 yards.
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Especially here early, the Raiders' seconday was doing a great job covering. That made Rivers hold on to the ball, and dump-offs went nowhere because their DBs were right there to make the tackle.
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You really have to give credit to Rivers for hitting Gates on a deep post route that set us up at the 1. The pocket was collapsing around him, and he fit the ball in between double coverage.
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Back on defense, still rushing 4 for the most part.
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One the Raiders' FG drive at the end of the half, we were lucky that Russell missed 2 wide open receivers.
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Unfortunately, on the ensuing 3rd and 10, he did not. We rushed 5 and got a little push, but Russell just backed up and found his WR open 15 yards down the field. First down.
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Two plays later, we again rushed 4. Miller had enough time to find a hole in the zone between Cooper and Cromartie, and Russell hit him for an 11 yard gain.
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The very next play we again rushed 4, and Russell threw a bad pass that hit Cooper in the chest. Gotta hold onto those buddy.
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2 plays later was the TD that got overturned via replay. We rushed 4, and got a little push, but not enough to prevent Russell from setting up and firing a strike to Murphy across the middle. Murphy got inside position on Gregory, and beat him for the catch. Gregory wasn't in bad coverage—it was a well-thrown ball, and he just let Murphy get inside him.
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The sack Rivers took on the ensuing FG drive was on the interior of the offensive line. Both OTs, Clary included, pushed the DEs far enough to the outside and rear that Rivers could step up. But the guards and center let their men get off their blocks and collapse on Philip from the sides. Dielman got blown up and pushed back into the pocket by Seymour, again preventing Philip from stepping up cleanly. Seymour reached past Dielman and Hardwick, and dragged Rivers down for the sack.
Analysis: We started to stop the run this quarter. A very small amount of creativity on defense, but not any that made any difference. Steve Young actually said he was surprised how basic the Chargers looked, that they weren't attempting anything fancy and were running simple defenses along with the Raiders' simple offense.
3rd Quarter:
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The penalties we suffered on offense in the opening drive of the 2nd half were a false start on Osgood (perhaps due to his very limited playing time in the offense), and holding on Mruczkowski. Again, neither gets regular snaps on offense in actual games, so these could be attributed to lack of experience or familiarity.
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Rivers's lone pick of the night was the result of a great play by the Raiders' defensive back, who deflected a perfectly thrown pass away from Gates and into the hands of Michael Huff.
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The defensive line started shutting down the run this quarter.
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Our 5-man rush started producing a bit more pressure, which helped force errant throws from Russell. Merriman started getting results on bull-rushes and spin-moves.
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As the quarter wore on, we still rushed only 4 or 5, but it started getting more effective. Coverages also improved.
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The third sack on Rivers was Clary's fault. He got stood up by Ellis, who knocked him aside and tackled Philip. The interior line got pushed back a bit, but not enough to cause a sack without Ellis beating Clary.
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Zach Miller had another catch off a play-action fake, where he found a hole in the zone between Hart and Burnett. Burnett bit on the fake, and by the time he realized it was a pass, Miller was way past him. This play is on Burnett.
Analysis: Our rush defense got much better. This is why Russell started throwing more, because they couldn't bowl us over on the ground anymore. Russell was inaccurate, but this wasn't just because he sucked. Our rushes started to get in his face a bit, forcing him to move and throw some bad passes. Merriman was started to overpower people in this quarter. Despite this, there were still no more than 5 men rushing, and mostly 4.
4th Quarter:
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On another fake, a linebacker (I think it was Phillips, but it could have been English) didn't get fooled and was all over Russell. This forced an early throw to Miller who was tackled by Cason for only a 2 yard gain.
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Back to only 4-man rushes.
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Phillips hurt us with his penalty, that would have stopped Oakland's TD drive. We still only rushed 4 on the play, despite it being a backup quarterback in a 3rd and 8 sitiuation.
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On Nwagbuo's sack, he just did a good job of beating the lineman.
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On 3rd and 14, we only rushed 4 and had no pressure. We were extremely lucky that Weddle killed Higgins.
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On 4th and 14, there was only a 4-man rush and Russell had time to pat the ball and wait for Murphy to get open.
Analysis: The pass-rush, that had began to get results the previous quarter, stopped being effective. They stopped rushing 5 and went back to only rushing 4, with virtually no attempt to disguise the rushers or confuse the blockers.
Overall thoughts:
Our run defense got better as the game improved. Burnett wasn't as bad as we initially thought--only a couple plays where he was at fault stood out.
I'm extremely, extremely disappointed in Ron Rivera. For all the talk of mixing blitz packages, being creative to bring the pressure, he did virtually nothing in the first game of the season. With very few exceptions, it was the same vanilla scheme we saw in the pre-season. We never rushed more than 5 men. We ran very few stunts and twists, and those we did run were extremely basic. The offensive line had no trouble picking up the rushers and giving Russell an easy pocket.
I understand there's a school of thought that thinks Rivera was holding back for more difficult opponents. I understand the thinking, but my response to that is that this isn't baseball. There's only 16 games, and wins are hard to come by. You try to hold something back against a supposedly inferior foe, you could easily pay for it. We very nearly did.
Rivera had success in Chicago in his years there as DC. In his tenure, from 2004-2006, his defenses ranked 9th, 1st, and 2nd in DVOA respectively. That's really good. I wonder if his scheme, though, isn't going to work here with our players. Does anyone know what those Bears defenses looked like? Were there lots of exotic blitzes, creative schemes and packages, etc.? Or was there just really great line play that freed up linebackers to make plays, and allowed them to drop 6 or 7 into coverage every play? Because if it's the latter, we're in trouble. We can't get pressure with just 4 or 5 guys, and we certainly can't do it without running some kind of creative scheming.
This is alarming, to say the least, given what we were promised. This needs to change.
This FanPost was written by a member of the Bolts From The Blue community and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Bolts From The Blue editors or SB Nation.
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How the hell do you have the time to do this?
A kid who has a unicorn ranch in his room cannot call other people weird. Yes, we know about "Rancho Unicorno."
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 16, 2009 4:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Priveleges of rank.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 16, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's your rank?
NEVER MISS A GAME,WHETHER BY BEING THERE OR WATCHING AT HOME,FO SHO!!!
by Gorditoe1 on Sep 16, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand there’s a school of thought that thinks Rivera was holding back for more difficult opponents. I understand the thinking, but my response to that is that this isn’t baseball. There’s only 16 games, and wins are hard to come by. You try to hold something back against a supposedly inferior foe, you could easily pay for it. We very nearly did.
Do you think it had anything to do with all three starting defensive linemen missing time? Cesaire missed the entire game. Williams and Castillo both left the game with arm injuries. The backups aren’t the most experienced guys. Couldn’t the defense have been vanilla for their benefit?
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
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by Richard Wade on Sep 16, 2009 4:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It may have.
But you aren’t dropping linemen into coverage. They’re for the most part always rushing. To be sure, if they’re inexperienced they may not be the best at running twists and stunts. But the linebackers we have aren’t inexperienced. And they didn’t do anything with them.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 16, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rivera
I’m extremely, extremely disappointed in Ron Rivera. For all the talk of mixing blitz packages, being creative to bring the pressure, he did virtually nothing in the first game of the season.
It definitely was not the game Rivera imagined when he woke up Monday morning. He may have underestimated the push of that Raider running game.
Ultimately I think he did a good job of adjusting and plugging the holes. And those adjustments meant abandoning all the fancy and creative blitz packages.
by Trendsearcher on Sep 16, 2009 4:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's true that they had to adjust to account for the Oakland running game.
But multiple times, especially in the 2nd half, they had Russell in 3rd and long obvious passing downs. And they didn’t do anything special.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 16, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you might be onto it
In the first quarter I remember seeing a lot of out psuedo 4-3 (with either Merriman or Phillips back with the ILBs). I think this setup was getting taken apart by the running game. Near the end of the 1st quarter I stopped seeing that alignment and we went to our standard 3-4, which seemed to help against the run.
I wonder if most of Rivera’s fancy stuff was out of our psuedo 4-3 and once he had to give that up to stop the run, he was done?
I’m still waiting for Merriman or Phillips to beat an OT one on one. Ellis and Seymour did it a few times.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Sep 16, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is next week
We could repeat these alignments next week to deal with the Ravens running game. But Flaco is way better than Russell. Flaco gets extra time – he’s gonna absolutely GUT our secondary.
I’m starting Flaco on my FF team next week, over Peyton and Hasselback (8 team league ;o).
by Trendsearcher on Sep 16, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
8 team league?
weak
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 17, 2009 4:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah just my childhood buddies
But the trash talking is fun.
by Trendsearcher on Sep 17, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting...
I would like to see portions of the game to review Burnett’s coverage…but it is reassuring to know that he did not seem as dazed and confused as myself and others initially thought…
Formerly Blount#9...
by CaDuck on Sep 16, 2009 5:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Burnett coverage
I can remember watching replays (during the game) of two play action passes that went for first downs to Zach Miller down the middle of the field to see who was to blame for the missed coverages. On both occasions, it was Burnett biting on the run fake to leave Miller open.
I can’t speak for the entire game, but those were two plays that stuck out to me for Burnett.
by cspfan on Sep 16, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 17, 2009 4:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Job
Thanks for your time and effort with this post, I loved it. Hopefully you can do this for as many games as time permits you to this season.
It is easy when watching something live to get a little caught up in the emotion of the game and sometimes not see things quite the way they are, or to miss things. It is a little easier to see things clearly when you have the comfort of knowing everything turns out o.k.
by JeromeB on Sep 16, 2009 9:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate the recs.
All 15 of them…
Can a guy get a front page here?
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 16, 2009 11:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I mean 5.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 16, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry about that
Your Captain was asleep at the wheel and/or didn’t have time to read through this until now. It’s been FP’d.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 17, 2009 4:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My review?
They get an F for style points, but an A for hanging tough & getting the win.
Seriously, folks – the Raiders approached this game like it was their SB & we approached it in the same manner as we have for the last 3 years. Lethargic, little to no emotion, looking confused by the fact that the opponent didn’t just lay down for this oh-so-talented team. Until late in the game, I saw very little to make me believe all of the hype about our guys being prepared & ready to go all the way.
I’m not going go all Chicken Little on the team, but there are some glaring holes that need to be addressed. Gap control, OL play, communication in pass coverage, vanilla play calling, more aggressive pass rush are at the top of my list.
And please – would someone get Clinton Hart the heck out of SD? And make Cro the nickel where he can free-lance more – put Cason in Cro’s slot. At least he can tackle.
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
Robert Hunter
by Buck Melanoma on Sep 17, 2009 4:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I do believe Cro has admitted that the last TD was his fault and not Hart’s. Besides, if Gregory hadn’t been hurt, Hart wouldn’t have even been in on passing downs. Typically he won’t be in that position.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Sep 17, 2009 4:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm aware of Cro's admission
He’s no mental giant, either. On a 4th & 15 neither of them should have let a man get behind them. My beef with Hart is that he consistently misses tackles, takes poor angles on the ball, & makes big mistakes at crucial junctions.
It’s time to see more of Ellison & Spillman. IMO, particularly Spillman.
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
Robert Hunter
by Buck Melanoma on Sep 17, 2009 4:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spillman is a FS
Albeit, one who can hit. I still think Ellison is far behind Hart in terms of performance on the field.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 17, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s always the bizarro world scheme to put Jammer at safety opposite weddle and start cro and cason at corner…too bad that could never happen for a litany of reasons.
by Orz on Sep 17, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Among those being
that Jammer has never played a down of Safety in the NFL in his life?
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 17, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that he’s more valuable playing corner.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Sep 17, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our safeties are pretty interchangeable
From what I’ve seen, Spillman is as good or better in coverage than anyone that we have behind Weddle & is a sure, hard tackler. Ellison is good against the run, but is stiff in the hips & doesn’t possess nearly the ball skills of Spillman.
I would feel VERY comfortable to can either Hart or Gregory, grab more depth for the OL, & rotate Spillman, Ellison, & Hart/Gregory next to Weddle. I’d move Cro to the nickel & give Cason his job. Give Cro more room to free-lance as he obviously isn’t interested in being anything but a “look at me” highlight reel seeker. Make him return some kicks as well … it would save Sproles for increased offensive reps plus he has MAD skills once the ball is in his hands.
Hart is not starter material. Period. He proves it on a regular basis. I’d be happy to trade him right now for a good fish taco.
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
Robert Hunter
by Buck Melanoma on Sep 17, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What have you seen from Spillman? I’ve barely seen him play and that was against back ups in the pre-season. We know next to nothing about him
I don’t know where this idea that he can step in and play as well as Hart or Gregory is coming from other than you don’t like those guys and you don’t know Spillman so you assume he must be as good. Also, Cromartie blows one coverage and you’re ready to make him the nickel corner? I just don’t see the justification.
Hart was a solid enough starter for an entire season when he was healthy. He’s not a strong cover safety and that’s why Gregory comes in on passing downs. He’s hardly without value.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Sep 17, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I gotta agree with Richard
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 17, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Receiver is behind the Saftey that CB can say whatever he likes....
The Safety still messed up.
by Trendsearcher on Sep 17, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rob Rivera from the perspective of Chicago Bears fans
I’m not a Bears fan but the following was excerpted from a Chicago Sun Times blog (http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/08/outside_view_lovie_under_press.html#more). Bottom line: I’ll keep an open mind and withhold judgment for a half a season or so but what I’ve read gives me little optimism.
By texasjim on August 10, 2009 12:23 PM
Mr.Phataz is absolutely right….I still remember Urlacher screaming at the bench after Manning completed another 3rd down conversion because Rivera was to scared to blitz. Rivera’s vanilla D in that game was more of a ball-dropping coaching job than Rex’s fumbles.
I’m glad Lovie is taking charge of the D again, It seams the whole team became complacent after 06’.
Silver asked Smith point blank if he regretted running off former defensive coordinator Ron Rivera following the Super Bowl run in 2006. Rivera went to San Diego where he was the inside linebackers coach before being promoted to defensive coordinator there during the middle of last season. He received some credit as the Chargers made a miraculous turn around to overpass Cutler and Denver and win the AFC West.
“That’s not what this is about,” Smith said. “We went in a different direction. It’s been good for Ron and good for us.”
The latter part of that statement isn’t convincing – the Bears had the league’s third-worst pass defense last season – but Smith, who became a hot coaching candidate after a successful stint as the St. Louis Rams’ defensive coordinator from 2001-03, insists he has no regrets.
By MrPhatAz on August 10, 2009 11:09 AM
dahlillama; are you serious, Gruden a great coach? The guy took a top tier team and shook it up a bit. He had a polar opposite view of coaching than did Dungy. Dungy doesn’t yell and is a nice guy. Gruden is a douche and only screams. Granted it was enough to push Tampa to a SB victory, but Dungy got there too, after he rebuilt another shatty team in Indy. Did anybody even watch the SB game against the Colts. Riveria is the one who was calling the plays, and his inability to adjust is what killed us. He was afraid of Manning and was therefore weak against the run. Adjust your scheme, the weather was horrible and our offense at the time couldn’t play from behind and that’s exactly what happened. Well I have faith in Lovie, he turned this team around and I still believe he can bring us that 2nd SB victory. Bear Down!!!!
by The Gorn on Sep 17, 2009 6:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a concern I have.
Rivera had some amazing personnel in Chicago from 04-06, and there’s an argument to be made that anyone would have had success with those players, all in their primes.
On the other hand, he had to deal with some fairly significant injuries to those star players, especially in their Super Bowl run in 2006, and he made adjustments that kept the Bears on top, completely shutting down Brees and the Saints in the NFC Championship. And the Bears’ defense, #s 1 and 2 in DVOA in 2005 and 2006, dropped to #s 8 and 7 in 2007 and 2008. Still top ten, but a significant drop nonetheless.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 17, 2009 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Rob Rivera Ron's brother?
A kid who has a unicorn ranch in his room cannot call other people weird. Yes, we know about "Rancho Unicorno."
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 17, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who?
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 17, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he might be talking about the coach
of the Lions when barry sanders was drafted. I would be very surprised if they were brothers. Rivera is a pretty common name
by not humble enough on Sep 17, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I’m just talking about the subject of the original post.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 17, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were there lots of exotic blitzes, creative schemes and packages, etc.?
This is a nice article, but if you watch the playoff game against the Colts your fears seem completely unfounded to me. Rivera adapts to his competition. He had Manning unable to tell if he was coming or going. There were all kinds of people dropping in and out of the line and it was extremely tough to figure who was coming in that game. The Raiders are a running team; blitzing constantly on a running team just isn’t the right call. If I have a complaint it is that he didn’t go vanilla soon enough. Most of the early attempts to bring heat ended up in players missing their gap assignments and the success against the run came because he went away from that.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Sep 17, 2009 7:02 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree that he did a great job in that playoff game against the Colts.
My issue keeps coming back to this concept that it was OK to not show everything because we were playing the “lowly” Raiders. Well they didn’t look so lowly on Monday. What if they turn out to be a decent team? Wins are just too precious to risk like that. We can’t keep dropping these September games. Otherwise we’ll end up have to play all three rounds of the playoffs again, unable to rest injured guys, and have to play on the road in Pittsburgh or Tennessee or New England in January. I’m sick of that. They’ve got to get a bye and home field, at LEAST for the divisional game!
I get adjusting to stop their run, which they did. But then when they were in obvious passing downs, and Russell was completing 3rd down pass after 3rd down pass, they didn’t switch back to stop it. The defense didn’t do enough to win that game. They folded when it counted most, and got bailed out by Philip and the offense when they orchestrated an 89-yard touchdown drive that left no time left on the clock. That’s not going to happen every week either, especially when we play a team like Baltimore or Pittsburgh who don’t have defensive coordinators who are afraid to blitz, instead backing off in a soft zone at the most crucial part of the game.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 17, 2009 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough
I agree with most of this; and the team certainly didn’t come out executing on either side of the ball. I guess I put the difference down more to the different styles of offense. My mind keeps drifting back to our secondary. This is twice in three games where Cromartie has cost seven points by just going brain dead on a play; I’m wondering if it isn’t time to swap in Cason at corner and Spillman over to SS.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Sep 17, 2009 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
Nice job maestro
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JOE NAMATH
by theGEN3RAL on Sep 17, 2009 7:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Something I just want to reiterate.
Really, the most disturbing part of this game is that all off-season, we were promised an attacking defense. A defense that would get penetration. A defense that would constantly harass quarterbacks and make their lives hell. A defense that would move around, stunt, and generally confuse the daylights out of the offense.
And Monday we saw the same vanilla, stationary sit-back-and-react defense that we saw almost all last year. Despite all the talk, the mandates from above, there was no change.
That’s the scariest part. Blown coverages can be fixed. A coach’s mindset can’t. And if after all that, Rivera still can’t do what he was supposed to, then we’re in for it.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 17, 2009 9:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not convinced that the Raiders were the team to do this.
The Raiders are a running team with a young quarterback who is inaccurate and easily rattled. Why would we want to send more pass rushers to miss run gap assignments, and to pressure an already inaccurate QB. Just some good tight coverage was enough to get multiple interceptions. It’s not like Russell completed a bunch of passes for over 300 yards. He was 12/30 for 208 yards, rating of 47.6. Do we really need to blitz and pass rush a QB that completes 12 passes a game, and who’s team was running all over us in the 1st quarter? I think a blitzing pass rush against this type of team is a mistake. What I will say is we should have won a few more one on one battles at the line. That is my only concern, not that there was no blitzing/scheme.
by SJO on Sep 17, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
wait, remember that all
the first stingers got hurt. I think it’s amazing they didn’t breakdown. The whole 2nd and 3rd string and you want awesome domination?
by not humble enough on Sep 17, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec.
Really, man. I frickin’ hate this “we didn’t blitz all over the place so our DC must suck” bit that happens every time a team gets run on a little. Cesaire didn’t play, Williams and Castillo got taken out, and we gave up 24 yards on 9 carries in the 2nd half. By playing “vanilla” SD essentially put this game on Jamarcus.
Not that this will work vs. Flacco. But I thought it was a very well-played game.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 18, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
By Rivera, not by the whole team. The OL looked groggy and out of sorts. Especially with injuries, that can’t be allowed to happen against Baltimore.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 18, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What O Line is this that you speak of ??
Did we have anybody left on the O Line? They went down so quickly didn’t we finish teh Raider game with just five guys standing?
Well technically six with Binn.
by Trendsearcher on Sep 24, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great job maestro
This is something I think of all us wanted. I have some comments about your analysis:
-Wow, Clary really was getting blown up. Did we make the right choice in the draft taking English over Oher? Hindsight is blah, blah, blah; but its disturbing to see Clary not making some progress.
-Yeah, the defense looked very basic. I think in Chicago, Urlacher is such a good LB that he could make that defense really work and allowed them to be more creative. They were working out of basic 4-3 Tampa 2 but I don’t think they brought the house on blitzes; I know Urlacher rarely blitzed. But I think it really comes down to line play because Oakland was rushing just 4 most of the time like us and we could not get the same amount of pressure.
-That illegal contact and hands to the face penalties were bogus.
"It's all part of the plan." Jeff Moorad and The Joker in the Dark Knight.
"Dwight Howard couldn't score 40 points in a game if he was going against Yi Jianlian's chair." Bill Simmons chat 5/20
"I don't feel this team can beat us four times," Mo Williams 5/21
by L Magico on Sep 17, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I for one think we'll regret not drafting Oher.
That day will probably come this Sunday. That said, Clary was not terrible. He was responsible for two sacks, though.
I don’t think the penalties were bogus. Jammer rode the guy 15 yards down the field. Phillips knocked the guy’s helmet off.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 17, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh
I really hope Oher is terrible. I can’t stand another couple of seasons with people talking about how we “missed” by taking English. It was the smarter pick. What if Merriman can’t get healthy or leaves after this season? Are you really comfortable with Jyles Tucker as the starter there again?
Personally, I’m more comfortable having a backup plan for Merriman and another weapon for the defense (to hopefully eventually use) than having an offensive tackle to battle for Clary’s job.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 17, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Judgin by how Oher looked in the pre-season
and Week 1, he’d have had no trouble beating out Clary.
I’d love nothing better than to see English beat Oher for multiple sacks/pressures this weekend, but I don’t think that will happen. Larry is clearly a work in progress. I’ll reserve judgment for now, but I’m starting to suspect we were mislead as to how ready he was to contribute.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 17, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On English
I’m starting to suspect we were mislead as to how ready he was to contribute.
They had him lining up at RE quite a bit didn’t they? I don’t think he really has the heft for that, but injuries are the mother of invention.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Sep 17, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They may have had him put his hand on the ground
in a 4-down linemen set, which would put him back at the position he was in college. Of course, this let’s the offensive line put a hat on him and pick him up pretty easily.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 17, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love this blog, looking at how the team plans out everything
and then BAM! injuries up and down the D-line, the chargers still win and everyone still whines. I’m jerking around at all. I love this. The game is so much deeper. “Larry got put as RE” – ‘Really? And we had injuries up and down the O-line? That’s amazing that we won" “Yeah, good times. Especially since Raiders dumped a bunch of money in their D-Line. Ellis is very good and Seymour is very talented and in a contract year…” “Whoa, we won. Party time!”
I love this blog
by not humble enough on Sep 17, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I was reading this comment the voice in my head was going REALLY fast. As if this comment was meant to be read while on speed.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Sep 18, 2009 5:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad
Maybe I should re-phrase my statement. I really like the English pick but I’m not sure when he will be ready to contribute. But not addressing the RT position at all in the draft
seems to be already be coming up; especially because we just cut our 4th round pick.
Oher was just the first name that came to mind for RT. And come on John, you can’t root against a guy like Oher. That guy has been through some stuff.
"It's all part of the plan." Jeff Moorad and The Joker in the Dark Knight.
"Dwight Howard couldn't score 40 points in a game if he was going against Yi Jianlian's chair." Bill Simmons chat 5/20
"I don't feel this team can beat us four times," Mo Williams 5/21
by L Magico on Sep 17, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is the NFL
production on the field is the only thing that matters.
Well, not always. I’m sure AJ would have liked to get rid of LT and keep Turner a couple years ago but couldn’t because LT carried the team for so many years. Point being, you can personally like a guy and wish him success and refuse to have him anywhere near your team.
by not humble enough on Sep 17, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's with San Diego fans being so bitter and judgmental?
You guys need to relax on the snap judgements
We won the game!!! playing poorly for 3 quarters and losing 1/3 of the teams lines. I hate how some people think after a few bad plays they should ax people.
the cornerbacks and safeties are never gonna give up a big yardage touchdown all year?
Remember when everyone hated jammer a few years ago. now he’s off the hook and we have other scapegoats.
The chargers made adjustments and by the fourth quarter minus the 50 yard Jamarcus TD pass were owning the raiders on both sides of the ball.
how about getting faith in the guys that got the chargers to be so strong.
You couldn’t draft players as well as AJ smith!!! It’s like he’s invented a perpetual motion machine and you wanna tell him how he could build it better.
by nicklusk on Sep 17, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
IMO there's a sense of panic
because so many starters are in the last year of the contracts and LT isn’t getting any younger. This is the year we need to make a push for the SB. 2006 was a lost opportunity and none of us want to see that happen again.
by boltsgamedayfootball on Sep 17, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i agree with your idea
Chargers won. A win in the NFL isn’t like a win the in NBA or MLB. Every single one is an achievement. That’s why the NFL rocks.
But I don’t come to this blog only to be happy. I come here to worry, fret, complain, discuss minute things and generally let everything out.
BECAUSE WITHOUT G. JOHNSON WE ARE LOST!!!
by not humble enough on Sep 17, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was it over when the Nazis bombed Pearl Harbor?
Lets’s Go!
Just wait until week 3 before you get healthy.
by raven on Sep 17, 2009 4:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No one will remember how we won this game in Dec.
The year Eli won the SB the Giants looked horible the first half of the season, The media and the fans wee ready to fire thier coach in late Nov. but then they pulled it together. We are a notiously slow starting team, Marty rarely has us ready for the first game, Norv has shown the same tendancy even more. But this year we came out of a subpar performance with a win instead of a loss. Granted the Raiders do not know how to win yet, and it shows it is easyer to come from behind at the end than to hold on for the victory. Carolina and Denver last year come to mind. I AM SENDING OUT A PERSONAL PLEA TO RON RIVERA “STEP IT UP”
by alanbmx on Sep 20, 2009 8:32 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs




















