The Argument for a San Diego Chargers Passing Attack
It's time I dig into this issue and get my fingernails dirty. Guessing why Norv Turner prefers a balanced offense to a spread-out, pass-happy offense is not going to get us anywhere. Sure, with one of the greatest RBs of all-time (and one known to almost never fumble the ball), there's temptation to keep handing him the rock and sending him up the middle (since he can't make it outside as easily anymore). However, I'm going to make the argument that switch to a more spread-out, pass-happy offense would benefit the Chargers and make them a more dynamic team.
1. Play to your personnel. Any good Head Coach/General Manager relationship should revolve around this statement. The GM's job is to find good players at bargain prices and hand them to the coach. The coach's job is to build a team that plays to the strengths of his roster. Here are the strengths of the Chargers roster:
- Hands - Who on this offense can't catch a ball? You could argue that Vincent Jackson occasionally doesn't make the easy catch, but every other catch is generally made. Malcom Floyd, Legedu Naanee, Chris Chambers, Antonio Gates, LaDainian Tomlinson and Darren Sproles all have glue on their hands. Michael Bennett, Jacob Hester, Mike Tolbert, Buster Davis, Brandon Manumaleuna, Kassim Osgood and Kris Wilson are all somewhere between "Good" and "Fantastic".
- Speed - Need burners? We got 'em. I think VJ and Naanee are probably the two fastest WRs, with Floyd, Chambers and Buster not far behind. Gates may be the fastest TE in football. Sproles is probably the fastest RB in football. This is a team Urban Meyer would drool over.
- The Captain of the Ship - So you just made Philip Rivers the highest-paid player on your team. Considering he's also signed to be here just as long as anyone else on the roster, this is his team. Chances are in 5 years from now the team will look very different, but Rivers will still be behind Center. Why not build the team around his strengths? He's the leader, he's accurate and he's smart. In his entire career, only 2.5% of his passes have been intercepted. In his career he's average 7.5 yards per pass attempt and 12 yards per completed pass. Compare that to Tomlinson's 4.2 yards per carry last year and you can see how this may be a more effective way to move the offense downfield.
- The Offensive Line - In 2006 and 2007, Kris Dielman was maybe the best Guard in the entire NFL. At that same time, Lorenzo Neal was maybe the best Fullback in football. Those two guys worked magic and cleared some massive holes to help LT break those records. However, Dielman isn't the incredible run-blocker he once was. Nick Hardwick can't seem to stay healthy and the starting Right Guard for the Chargers has very little experience as a run blocker. This is an offensive line that is currently better suited to pass-block than they are run-block.
- Jacob Hester - NFL offenses are quite simple in some ways. Do you have a big, bruising RB that can break tackles? He may or may not need a lead blocker to clear the way. Do you have a small RB that can make something happen if you give him space? He needs a lead blocker that can clear the way. For as much as I praise Hester for the progress he's made as a blocker, he will never be Lorenzo Neal. He will never knock LBs five yards back when he hits them. His hands, ability to run the football and intelligence make him a more valuable weapon in a passing offense than in a power running offense.
- LT/Sproles - As I just stated, for these guys to succeed they need a big, bruising offensive line and a powerful lead blocker. They don't currently have that, but that doesn't mean they cannot be effective. If you spread the defense out and force them to play with 5 or 6 defensive backs, that will make both LT and Sproles more effective than if you line up 2 TEs and a FB in front of them and send them up the middle against 8 guys. Also, with LT/Sproles constantly being lined up against LBs and Safeties you'd have clear-cut mismatches on every play.
See the rest of my argument for the Chargers to run a spread-out, pass-happy offense after the jump.
2. It's a proven success for winning. In the past 50 years, there have been plenty of teams that have tried to win through the air rather than on the ground. Some have had more success than others. The key is defense. If you have even an average defense, you can outscore your opponents. Teams like the 2008 Cardinals, 2007 Patriots, 2006 Colts, 2004 Eagles, 2002 Raiders and 2001 Rams (all teams that have made the super bowl) have all had great offenses without having much of a running attack. These teams made it further than any recent Chargers team by spreading the defense out 3, 4 and sometimes even 5 wide.
3. It makes the defense better. The teams mentioned above each had defenses that were able to be much more aggressive than other teams because they were typically playing from ahead. I once heard an interview with the late Eagles Defensive Coordinator Jim Johnson, a man who Ron Rivera considers a mentor, in which he half-jokingly said something to the effect of "My play-calling is suicide unless we're playing with a lead." Any coach that loves to blitz will tell you that getting an early lead is the key to running an aggressive defense.
4. It slows down the opponent's running game. If the Oakland game showed us anything, it is the the Chargers front seven can get pushed around. Considering the Bolts are facing the AFC North and NFC East this season, meaning they will play at least a handful of teams the win with running and defense, this may be the only option. Do the Chargers really think they can win against the Giants, Ravens or Steelers with the same offense they ran against the Raiders? The way to beat those teams is to make them abandon their gameplan and force them to start playing away from their strengths. I think that quickly getting up by 10 or 14 points by spreading them out, then sending heavy blitzing at their QBs while covering their none-too-impressive receivers, would certainly give the Bolts a better chance at victory. Balance be damned.
5. Rivers or LT. I know LT is the bigger name and the one that shows up in the commercials. I know that when he's on the sideline, I rarely get to see the action on the field. I've made a million cases for taking some of the workload away from LT to save his legs, so I'm not going into that again. However, here is my point: Philip Rivers led the Chargers to 5 come-from-behind victories in 2008. He already has one come-from-behind victory in 2009. When it gets to the 4th quarter and the Bolts are losing, the fans and the team seems very confident that Rivers is going to come through and win the game. Why? Because he's a great player, that's why. So my question is, if it's become painfully obvious to everybody who pays attention to the team that Rivers has become the best player on the team, why would you wait until you're losing in the 4th quarter to hand him the reins of the offense? Wouldn't it make more sense to build a lead with Philip throwing the ball all over the place, then let LT get his carries and burn the clock in the second half while the defense blitzes the hell out of the opposing QB?
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Pass first and blitz more
Word Obviousman. Please send a copy to Norv before practice starts this week.
Air Coryell anyone?
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 16, 2009 11:26 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Air Coryell?
Coryell – Turner
Fouts – Rivers
Muncie – LT (give him a handle)
Jefferson – Jackson (take him over JJ everyday of the week)
Joiner – Chambers
Winslow – Gates (only TE in History to rival #80)
O-line… Macek, White, et al have it over the current crop…
All said, Air It Out!!! Floyd, Nannee, Chambers, Jackson, LT, and Sproles have few peers as a group in HISTORY.
This can be a HOF team. Has to happen on the field!
Go Chargers!
This isn't meant to criticize anything that's said
But at this point I’d rather see LT get hurt than Rivers. So, if they can find the balance that keeps Philip from getting teed up on all these passing plays by running enough and still be a pass happy team then that’s the combination the Chargers need to use.
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by Wonko on Sep 16, 2009 11:33 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I agree
Our offense is a monstrous juggernaut waiting to be unleashed to the masses.It would be a shame to let our potential stay on the practice field or film rooms,with aspirations of what could have been.It’s time to prove the nay sayers wrong.
NEVER MISS A GAME,WHETHER BY BEING THERE OR WATCHING AT HOME,FO SHO!!!
I don’t understand the Jim Johnson quote, it seems counter to the point being made.
In any case, I totally agree that Norv should be using the pass to set up the run. We’re not talking about abandoning the run completely. We’re talking about a 45/55 split getting flipped. Just once I want to the Chargers open a game with a play action deep shot on the first offensive snap!
Anyone have the run vs pass playcalling balance from the raider game?
2001 Rams
I agree with some of this, but Marshall Faulk had almost 1400 yards rushing for the 2001 Rams (5.1 avg, 13 TDs). He was running out of a lot of 3 WR sets, but running out of 3 WR doesn’t mean your running attack isn’t “strong”, it just means you have a good 3 WR set.
I’m not saying Marshall wasn’t strong, but they were playing to his strengths and giving him space to use his speed and moves rather than forcing him to run somebody over. They were playing to their personnel (they had 3 very good WRs and a great QB), which left Marshall running into a “box” with 6 guys instead of 7.
The Chargers should be doing the same thing, but when they run they typically bring in a FB and/or a 2nd TE. They’re practically begging the defense to put 7 or 8 guys in the box, which does not play to LT’s strengths.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 16, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
You essentially made my point for me. I think the Chargers have a potentially good 3 WR set that they use far too rarely.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 16, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
ever?
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 16, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
RIP
king of the hill… sighhhhhhhh
by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Sep 16, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
good idea
Isn’t that how we jumped out on top last year against the patriots? A play action bomb that took them by surprise? Granted, you can’t beccome predictable going the other way, pass first run second. But, by mixing it up it keeps defenses guessing. Run play action more on first and second downs when defenses are looking run. Run reverses once in awhile. Heck, I’d like to see an option play where they snap the ball between rivers legs dierectly to LT and have him run with someone (sproles) he can pitch it to, like the qb option in college. I wouldn’t run a true qb option, that’s a good way to get a qb killed. Just an idea. It may not work, but it would take them by surprise. This is obviously NOT a smashmouth run,run,run team. But, norv insists on running that type of game plan. And, what’s aj going to do about the O line? They couldn’t block anyone healthy, they’re going to limping?
I wish I had his e-mail.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 16, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
You can tweet the play
I’ll bet Cromartie will take any chance to stick it to the man
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 16, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Cro hates me
After he got fined he blocked me from his Twitter account.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 16, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
That’s hilarious if true.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 16, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Really
I have ways of getting around it so I can still see his tweets, but I’ve always wondered why I was blocked. For the record, I put that tweet of his about the food on BFTB a couple of days before he got fined.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 16, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe it was an accident or just a coincidence or technical error
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 16, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed 100% and rec'd.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 16, 2009 1:34 PM PDT reply actions
Lots of Recs
I feel so appreciated.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 16, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm just happy people figured out how to use the "rec" button
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 16, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Ditto
You, Wonko and the other long-time commenters have certainly helped everyone along nicely.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 16, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Rushing yards
I agree that an effective passing game will spread the field and open up running lanes. Last night was so bad because the Chargers basically said “We’re running the A gap, see if you can stop us” and the Raiders indulged them very well.
A more spread offence will only benefit the running game. (Especially Jacob Hester who will make a better pass block due to his size)
nanee and floyd
both deserve to see more playing time. i think they both will make the offense much better.
going off topic for a sec, i live in western az and dont get to see many games on tv. has mamaleuna(?) ever played any snaps at FB? hes huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge and has at least as much speed as hester, if not better hands too.
by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Sep 16, 2009 1:55 PM PDT reply actions
Manu often is in the backfield as a FB.
But he’s not as fast as Hester.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 16, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
a fullback
doesnt have to be a speed merchant tho, just clear holes, maybe catch a screen or 2
by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Sep 16, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Screen pass
The screen pass was used only once and it went to LT. When the D- line is pushing everybody around thats when it should be used to slow them down.
I like all that has been said here, that is what Coryell used to do when he was with St. Louis ( Metcalf) and here Lionel Train James. He matched his gameplan to his personal.
Didn't they throw one
to Brandon Manu. also? I just remember seeing him getting upended for a loss. Could be wrong though.
Do or do not. There is no try.
They did. There was one to Manu and one to Hester that I recall. None of them were very effective.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 16, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Dielman blew the screen to Manu.
Just totally whiffed on a block.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 17, 2009 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
yes...
They need to get Manu the ball in space more often
by Hoot1969 on Sep 16, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yes!!!
With his blazing speed in mind, it is just to tough to keep the ball out of his hands…He should return punts as well. On a serious note, at least he is a decent blocker
Formerly Blount#9...
If anyone's running the Cat for the Chargers...
it’s LT (who has proven that he can throw) or Naanee (played QB in high school. Come to think of it, he’d probably still be a more 3rd QB than an Antwaan Randle El or a Matt Jones… or Jared Zabransky).
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by StrangeBroP25 on Sep 16, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
100% agreed
it simply won’t matter which reciever is in. 3 WR set, Gates in the slot and LT the lone back. from there you have 5 recieves on the field. you could even simplfy the offense plays by running the exact same plays and interchange the personnel. why? it simply wouldn’t matter what play you ran, somebody will be open, somebodys going to have a mismatch. and you could always audible, depending on what the defense gives you. man coverage, throw it up for 6’5" recievers. zone, somebodys open, or there is severe mis-match.
LT would have field day being the “dumpoff” reciever, behind the D-line. it’s what Westbrook is to McNabb, Faulk to Warner. LT to Rivers.. also this combination would help the O-line out by giving Rivers more wide open targets underneath. more short quick passes, less time holding the ball. less 3rd and longs, less sacks.
matry ball is gone, the organization has made the clear through the medai many times. i thinkk it’s for a second coming of “AIR NORV”?
peace out
by gatesoftds on Sep 16, 2009 2:47 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
you can't run up the middle
if the O line isn’t opening lanes!
Many plays last game LT was forced outside.
He hit holes inside on the same plays in ’06.
Agree with Obviousman almost!
I really appreciate your knowledge of the game……..but like any other sport; you build around your defense.
A good offense can not pick up an average defense;
A good defense can compensate for an average offense.
Unfortunately this is the truth to every team sport.
Los Chargers
See: 2006 Colts
The offense can get them to the postseason. The defense just has to step its game up from there.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
Another defense that would’ve stunk if they weren’t playing with a lead. The Cover 2 defense was great at forcing turnovers in the passing game, but wasn’t great at stopping the run. Take away the run by creating a big lead and you’re all set.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 17, 2009 2:02 AM PDT up reply actions
So I'm watching the game Monday night with the wifey
and she goes out of her way to point out how big and fat the O Lineman are. I try to explain that despite their heft, they are very strong and quick for their size and need to be 300+ pounds and you’re not going to get that big without your share of fat, just the way it is. She then points out #68 and says look at the gut on that guy! I don’t even need to look at the TV, “That’s Kris Dielman, he’s an all-pro, one of the best guards in the league. He is not fat (at least relatively, for an offensive lineman)”. Women… they don’t know anything.
Then I start paying attention, and you know what, I think Dielman might be carrying a few extra lbs. I don’t remember the gut sticking out that much before. He’s always been big, but has he been that big? Is Mr.Dielman enjoying his wealth a little too much in the off-season? Our running decline did start around the time of his big contract… I did notice him kind of sucking in pre-season (at least for someone who you expect to be an all-pro) and he didn’t stand out during the MNF game. Is this blasphemy?
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Sep 16, 2009 5:35 PM PDT reply actions
I’ll admit that in the preseason he had a couple of plays where he let somebody through to the QB, but other than that he’s been fine. It’s probably not surprising, but at training camp he looked like an absolute monster in comparison to the push the other guys were getting.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 17, 2009 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Weak link during the Raider game was easily Mooch
There’s not a lot you can do with a pair of scrubs in there for Hardwick and Vasquez, but I think Green held his own pretty well. McNeill had better show that his great rookie year was no fluke, and Dielman is not at top form, but still darn better than most. As for Clary, I was always in the pro-Olivea camp, but after that second failed drug test he had to go. This year I was hoping we would address that by drafting a big tackle like Michael Oher— in any case, Clary is a stopgap.
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I wanted Oher too.
Would have been nice.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 16, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Did Green play?
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by John Gennaro on Sep 17, 2009 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Thought so.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 17, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
My bad, Green was inactive
Who went in for Hardwick? Was it Brandyn Dombrowski?
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Yup.
SDSU represent. He did well.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 16, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
Both backups actually did surprisingly well. They were a bit rough early, but settled in. Mruczkowski is getting the start at Center on Sunday, by the way.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 16, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Dombrowski filled in for Vasquez. Mruczkowski played center.
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by Richard Wade on Sep 16, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Battle is won in the center!
Both lines………..def. and off…….are lacking! Getting pushed around and smacked isn’t gonna keep our stars healthy……! It wasn’t that long ago when we were the ones smashmouthing opponents, instead we are playing soft and eveyone is teeing off on us!
agree, agree, agree
i’ve been hoping for this for at least the past two years. each of your bullets is correct and i would add one more . . . unlike in snowy new england or frigid green bay, san diego has weather well into november and december, and january i might add that is favorable to throwing the ball.
one of the reasons this team played from behind much of last year and on monday is because they run the ball too much at the start of games, and have to readjust to play catch up. they’ve proven they can do that which should give every player confidence that being behind doesn’t equal a loss, but how about starting out strong and getting a lead.
this team is too talented to just win games. we should be beating people.
by SoCalCMH on Sep 16, 2009 8:22 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Just pass the damn ball
Rivers has developed into a great QB and there is no doubt in my mind he can lead a team to the SB, it just better be the Chargers.
Phil is most defiantly being underutilized if he doesn’t match, oh say, Peyton Manning stat for stat on a weekly basis. Passing the football is quite simply the most effective way to amass yardage and points, and if you have a QB and receivers who can do it in the NFL, you need to pass first, its that simple. If the Titans could pass, they would, and it looks like the Ravens are capable of it now, so they will. The Chargers have no excuses with top flight talents Jackson and Gates mixed in with Nanee, Chambers, Floyd, and I guess Osgood along with Buster.
And honestly, some what smallish cutback specialists, which face it, LT was and is, are not truly spectacular with out dominate blocking, the ability to turn the corner on the outside, and plenty of looks in the flat, call em the Ferrari’s of football. Look what happened to DeAngleo Williams, he is the closest thing to LT in his prime out there, and when his offensive line doesn’t bring their A game (never mind his laughable QB) it proves to be a long, hard day on the gridiron. Never mind that LT lost a half-step or two, is brittle as ever, and Sproles is now the checkdown target of choice.
We need to get the strong passing game we are more then capable of producing established, use the solid LT/Sproles RBBC as compliments to Rivers and the WR/TEs not equals. If we are just gonna send a 30 something RB up the middle for a couple of yards every other play, I’d rather have Jamal Lewis or Thomas Jones if only because they can take the punishment, wear the defense down and actually finish the game.
Can't disagree with your assessment
In prior years we didn’t have the talent that we now enjoy at WR. Nothing wrong with using the pass to set up the run. Not necessarily the preferred method by most coaches, but if Monday night’s game is any indication, that tact may suit us better.
I would like to at least see more screens to loosen up the opposing D & slow the pass rush.
Wondering what’s up with Dielman – just doesn’t seem as aggressive as in past seasons.
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
Robert Hunter
Talented Team but no Leadership!
The team has too much talent to put on such a dismal performance……..I feared when they hired Norv that this would happen! His plays are much too confusing for our players and less for the opponents……it seemed a lot on Monday night that the defense had a heads up on the next play……Rivers saved the day but for how long?
DEFENSE!!!
This is the Chargers weekest area!! If they can fix this especially the SECONDARY… this team can go all the way. Offense is going to be there.
Ummmm
the secondary was fine against the Raiders.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 17, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
J.M....Russell
They were spared because of the inacuracy of Jamarcus Russell……….Flacco is a much better QB who lit up KC’s defense, this week will tell……wonder who thier TE is and maybe we can decide to cover him!
Their TE is Todd Heap.
Also, I understand that Russell made the secondary look better than they probably are, but you can’t walk out of that week 1 game saying that the secondary is the problem.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 17, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
true
but you can say the pass coverage was better, because they only rushed 4 to 5 guys most of the night.. my point is, the DB’s had help covering. i don’t know about you, but with the “pressure”, if you can all it that, we put on JM, Flacco will have enough time to make a sandwich back there. So while i appreciate Rivera’s commitment to solveing the pass coverage problems, (minus covering TE’s) i’m just wondering when he’s going to get back to a 3-4 defense, and “SACKING” the QB?
peace out
So the secondary can't win
If they’re good and the Chargers blitz, you’ll say it’s because of the blitz. If they don’t blitz, you’ll say they had help. How does the secondary prove to you that they’re good?
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by John Gennaro on Sep 17, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hung out to dry long enough
The best Secondary ever conceived gets burned by an average QB with enough time to find the open Receiver. It is a big field to divide up 4 or 5 ways, plus the Receivers are actively moving to the open areas, and the Secondary is basically reacting and chasing.
That is why I think the only way you really beat a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady for certain is just plain not giving them enough time even set their feet. And under those circumstances even a below average secondary could look great.
by Trendsearcher on Sep 17, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
not at all....
the Bolts won because they made the right adjustments on Defense, to shut down the run. and let an inaccurate QB do the rest. but first off they don’t have anything to prove to me, that they’re good. that should be obvious. second the secondary was never built to be a bump and run/ man to man pass covreage defense. it was built to play the short zone, to take advantage of short dumpoff passes the QB was hurried into making, because of the passrushing front 7. that is in short what the 3-4 does. it takes away the time for a QB to go downfield. and forces him to throw it where they want him to. Cro’s abilties thrive in this enviorment. you can’t out run him, so he can play you 10yards off the ball. and sit in the soft part of the zone, and a make a play on the ball. the reason he got the picks in 07’.
in my eyes to be better, stop being 2 steps behind your man when he catches the ball. there is a lot they could learn by watching Jammer. also COVER THE TIGHT END. it’s really simple, they know we can’t pass rush, and to beat us they send the TE over the middle. teams will keep doing this until we stop it. so in light of the problem of pass defense hasn’t been solved, just shoved under the rug. Ron’s solution was to drop LB’s in pass coverage, which measn 2 things, they can’t get to the QB anyway, so make the extra pass defenders. because our secondary needs the help.
peace out
I think we have an excellent secondary
The only weakness in my mind is at Strong Safety. We probably have the best trio of cornerbacks in the league and Weddle is very good.
P.S.
IMHO the best pass defense, is a QB on his back…
by gatesoftds on Sep 17, 2009 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely
We aren’t beating anyone 1on1 right now. I hope that Shawne coming out of his first “real” game back with no injury is going to increase his aggressiveness this week. We need to generate a pass rush, whatever it takes. Cro is a speedster – blast his ass on top of Flacco a few times, disrupt his rhythm. And for pete’s sake …. cover Heap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Buck Melanoma on Sep 17, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Merriman.
Speaking of him……….judging by the 1st game, he is not the same as prior…..
looks like he's running with a peg leg doesn't it
Part of it is the brace. I hope he can get out of that thing soon.
by Trendsearcher on Sep 17, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe its the brace
But in an interview Turner they asked him about it and he said that when he first came to the Chargers he noticed that Merriman walked funny and asked someone if Merriman was hurt. So who knows what’s up.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
He’s still not back in football shape. Check back in 6 weeks or so.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Sep 17, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

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