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Second Place in the AFC West is up for Grabs

I don't think I'm breaking any new ground by assuming the Chargers are going to win the AFC West.  Of course, anything can happen, but most of the pundits are choosing the Chargers to win the west and I think most of the other teams are admitting that that Chargers are at least the favorite in the division.  The Chargers have arguably the most talent in the division, they definitely had the most stability in terms of players and coaches over the off-season, and they have recent success on their side, with 3 consecutive divisional championships.

After the jump, we've got a look at each team, what they did last year and what the outlook is for this year.  And, of course, we've got a poll to make this all official...

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Kansas City Chiefs (2-14)

Offensive RankDefensive Rank
OverallPassingRushingOverallPassingRushing
24 20 16 31 28 30

 

 

 

 

I'm going to go ahead and say the Chiefs were the best 2 win team in the NFL last year.  With a little better luck, they easily could have had 3-4 more wins.  Two of their losses came against the Chargers and both of them probably should have gone the other way, one of those was that ridiculous game where we needed Herm Edwards to call a timeout for us and then needed to recover an onside kick to win.  Both happened.  Well, we don't have Herm Edwards to kick around anymore.  But we also don't have Tony Gonzalez to beat us like a rented mule twice a year anymore either since he moved on to the Falcons.

Aside from Gonzalez, the other major personnel move was adding QB Matt Cassel and giving him a big contract.  Otherwise, the personnel are pretty much the same.  Defensively, they added Tyson Jackson through the draft and are in the process of switching to a 3-4 defense. 

Scott Pioli came over from the Patriots as GM and Todd Haley came over from the Cardinals as head coach.  Before as the preseason ended, Haley decided he didn't like the direction of the offense and fired OC Chan Gailey. 

Sounds a little chaotic, and it was.  But compared to the other two teams this was pretty smooth sailing.  Last year I felt that this team was not that far away from being dangerous.  Not that they were going to win the division, but that they were close to being able to beat anyone on any given Sunday.  They had some holes, and some poor game management from their coach, but they were definitely not a 2 win team.  With the changes in the front office and the coaching staff I'm not quite sure what to think.  I don't think they addressed many of their personnel needs and it remains to be seen how much of an upgrade Haley is over Edwards.  Whatever benefit Pioli might bring won't be felt for another year or so.  I think they are in the 4-6 win range this year.

 

Denver Broncos (8-8)

Offensive RankDefensive Rank
OverallPassingRushingOverallPassingRushing
2 3 12 29 26 27

 

 

 

 

Where to start??? Last year, the Broncos ended up with the same record as the Chargers.  However, they were definitely going in a drastically different direction.  While the Chargers were winning their way into the playoffs, the Broncos were choking their way out.  All while being coached by uber-genius Mike Shanahan and lead by the best QB on the planet Jay Cutler.  Well, a funny thing happened in the off-season.  Shanahan was fired in a move that surprised almost everyone.  Boy genius Josh McDaniel was brought in from the Patriots and essentially given full control over the franchise.  They have a GM, but McDaniel is the face of the franchise and seems to have the final say.  One of the things he tried to do is trade for Cassel.  Cutler caught wind of this and the soap opera cranked up.  Cutler eventually whined his way out of town and on to the Bears for a slew of high draft picks and Kyle Orton, who is now their QB.  Meanwhile, Brandon Marshall went to school on Cutler and decided he wanted out of town if he couldn't get his contract re-written.  He assumed that having an all-pro level year on the field and getting all his domestic battery chargers dropped off the field would earn him a new contract.  When that didn't work, he went the diva route and refused to catch balls in practice.  McDaniel came down hard and suspended him for the ENTIRE preseason.  Tough Love.  There was a rumor that the Broncos had recently offered Marshall a long term extension.  Way to toe the line guys, I'm sure it won't come back to haunt you again...

So, chaos rules here as well.  The offense is definitely weaker with Cutler gone.  The rushing attack should be better with Knowshown Moreno and a healthy slew of RBs.  Defensively, they are probably going to improve, they have improved in some areas and are also trying to move to the 3-4 defense.  They added Mike Nolan as the defensive coordinator which should help as well.  Despite the chaos and the serious downgrade at QB, I think they are still an 8 win team, especially if they can get another season like 2008 out of Marshall, have Royal continue to progress, and Moreno have a solid year rushing the ball.

 

Oakland Raiders (5-11)

Offensive RankDefensive Rank
OverallPassingRushingOverallPassingRushing
29 32 10 29 10 31

 

 

 

 

The Raiders had some trouble last year, and this year isn't looking a whole lot better.  Theoretically, they should have a more stable coaching situation.  This is true for two reasons: 1) Al Davis has not decided to fire the coach before the season start, without actually firing the coach, and 2) the coaches should all be working together this year since any coach who crosses Cable can expect consequences and repercussions.  Despite the dysfunction in the coaching staff and ownership, I think Cable is good for this team.  They need a no nonsense fiery former offensive lineman as their coach.  I think he will whip these guys into shape eventually.  Will it be enough to win more than 5 games?  I'm not sure. 

Much like the other two teams, I think Oakland is dangerous.  Mainly because they have some talent and a bunch of unknowns.  Is Cable the guy for this team?  Will JaMarcus Russell find his LSU mojo in his third year and become a QB worthy of the #1 pick?  Can Hayward-Bey be the rare impact rookie WR?  What the heck is up with Richard Seymour?  Lots of questions.

 

So what do you guys think? Who is getting the silver medal?  Any chance they squeeze into the playoffs?

Poll
Who is coming in second in the AFC West
Kansas City Chiefs
192 votes
Denver Broncos
115 votes
Oakland Raiders
146 votes

453 votes | Poll has closed

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I think its the cheifs and easily

But thats just me.

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on our souls.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 11, 2009 6:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Same here. @KC is the one division game I almost expect to lose.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Sep 11, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cheifs

So hard to win in Arrowhead, those are some serious fans and there is something to the shape of that place that just focuses the crowd noise. KC has had less turmoil that the other two teams.

I do not like Brodie. Either Castle heals up or Thigpen works through it. Thigpen has shown some good results. I am not sure why they didn’t get him more of an opportunity. Probably just something silly like defending their decision to draft Croyle.

by Trendsearcher on Sep 11, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

...

Brodie Vs. Thiggy has been a big debate over at AP and Im going to say that I dont think either one looks very good I would actually use Gut..Brokie Croyle has a hell of an arm but the guy is not accurate at all ..He had three chances to hit WRs in the endzone againt STL and overthrew them everytime. He needs to learn to take little off of his throws. Thiggy has just not been the same.. A lot of people say he was successful b/c of the “Arrowspread” offense we catered to him. I would say that we arent trying to defend the drafting of Croyle though b/c the front office is all together diff. In matter of fact we cut tons of picks from last year and yes we cut Pollard. I do think the Chargers will win the division but I think it is def anyones to win with our division we are most likely the worst division in the NFL.

by tomahawk44 on Sep 11, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can add me to that equation

but watch out an 8 win season could win the AFC West

by tomahawk44 on Sep 11, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will be absolutely shocked if 8 wins takes the West.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Sep 11, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

possible,

even 6 wins could take this division as weak as the bottom 3 teams are, but thats all theoretical, since the Chargers will win at the very least, 12 games

by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Sep 14, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

KC has a pass rush now.

Ask Brett Favre what he thinks about KC inside linebacker Corey Mays

Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...

by cpa913 on Sep 11, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He enjoys the oral sex?

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John (obviousman) on Sep 11, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

or...

cracked ribs :)

by tomahawk44 on Sep 11, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

Thanks. That gave me a pretty good laugh.

by Reno_Chief on Sep 11, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just wanted to add something

KC has added a lot more than just Jackson on the D. We got a guy by the name of Vrabel and we added Mike Brown,Monty Beisel and a guy everyone will know by the end of the season ^(pictured above) Corey Mays.

by tomahawk44 on Sep 11, 2009 11:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Vrabel’s washed up and Mike Brown can’t stay healthy (even though I wanted the Chargers to sign him)

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John (obviousman) on Sep 11, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

exactly

you don’t get to count guys who should have retired a few years ago.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Sep 11, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
even though I wanted the Chargers to sign him

Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...

by cpa913 on Sep 11, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

is Corey Mays good?

he has bounced around a bit. Hasn’t started. I love me some UDFAs who prove themselves on special teams and then step into a starting role (ala our own Stephen Cooper). Are people happy with him at ILB? Not that a preseason sack of Favre isn’t nice, I’m just not sure it proves much…

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Sep 11, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's been a beast

lots of pressure on the QB, lots of big hits in the run game.

I think he has found a home.

a very pleasant surprise for KC

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Sep 11, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He had Zach Thomas beat out before Zach got injured

Haley seems happy with him.

Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...

by cpa913 on Sep 11, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he sure did

I would say its a big reason we didnt try keeping zach and hoped hed get healthy he has been a big plus

by tomahawk44 on Sep 11, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's be honest

Zach Thomas is terrible

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John (obviousman) on Sep 11, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is he terrible?

he had 94 tackles last year with the Cowboys only playing 1st and second downs hes just getting old and is injured he would of made the team if it wasnt for his injury IMO

by tomahawk44 on Sep 11, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he got those tackles

cause he couldn’t pass defense for shit, so the QBs targeted him. And he got his tackles

by not humble enough on Sep 11, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...

he made all those tackles b/c he couldnt pass defend.. makes sense.

by tomahawk44 on Sep 11, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and...

like I said he primarily played 1st and 2nd downs which would be b/c he wasnt very good at defending passes so most of those tackles came on running downs not saying that he didnt get beat on some passes but hes an okay plug in player for a year

by tomahawk44 on Sep 11, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, if you stay healthy, it’s not difficult for an inside LB to get that amount of tackles in the 3-4 defense. Stephen Cooper had the same amount in 12 games last year.

Thomas can do nothing anymore but wait for the play to come to him.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John (obviousman) on Sep 11, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Vrabel and Hali have been getting acquanted around the opposing QB

Go ahead and think he’s washed up.

Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...

by cpa913 on Sep 11, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

he's not a guy you want to bet against

the only people who think he’s washed up are those who haven’t seen him play.

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Sep 11, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

or those who saw him get only 4 sacks with the Patriots in 2008.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John (obviousman) on Sep 11, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

nothing wrong with 4 sacks

that’s 40 percent of a team’s whole season production last year…

:)

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Sep 11, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hali

is going to have a break out year. Hell even Flacco thinks so ! haha

by tomahawk44 on Sep 11, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

how's the transition to a 3-4 going?

first year is always rough. Or are you going to be running more of a hybrid and trying to ease into it?

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Sep 11, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say its going pretty good

Our D has looked a lot better than our O so far..I actually read earlier that we have the best run D in NFL (in the preseason) I know that prob. doesnt say a lot and we had the 3rd most rushing attempts against us. Our O had chances to win or tie every game on the last drive and messed it up everytime….If that stays the same it will be a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG season in KC.

by tomahawk44 on Sep 11, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is their run D so good because

opposing teams are trying to protect their lead by running the ball, and KC knows it’s coming?

by SJO on Sep 11, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope

Id say if we are a top five team in rushing attempts against us my guess would be that they arent all at the end of the game …

by tomahawk44 on Sep 11, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well of course the thinking is that it would help the pass defense

But the real results have been a stout run defense. I know you have to take preseason with more than a grain of salt, but KC was run against 5th most during preseason, but defensively allowed yards per carry ranked #1. Adrian Peterson was a non-factor in limited playing time.

I guess we’ll have a better idea on Sunday!

Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...

by cpa913 on Sep 11, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How old is Vrabel?

Like 90?

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on our souls.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 11, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For now,

but his birthday is in like two months. The old man can teach though, and we needed that.

by Reno_Chief on Sep 11, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure is

Did you see that ball he knocked up in the air with that thing? Flowers got a pick 6 out of it :)

by tomahawk44 on Sep 11, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My vote for 2nd place...

the Chargers.

:)

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Sep 11, 2009 11:08 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

LOL.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Sep 11, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I cant shake the feeling....

That it’s gonna be the Broncos…

***MZ LANZ***

by ChargersWitch on Sep 11, 2009 11:15 AM PDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

they just seem to be a mess

they might bring it together on the field… but I doubt it.

the only organization that is run worse than that one is the Raiders.

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Sep 11, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I could see it

Nolan is a genius. My vote is Oakland for 2nd place.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John (obviousman) on Sep 11, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oaksterdam

2nd place, with the 2nd most divisional wins behind the Chargers.

This blog has devolved into UT like, uncerebral blabber

by soulSD on Sep 11, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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