Response to Jay Posner's 7/31 Media Article
Note: this is also posted at Gaslamp Ball.
OK, so today's rant by me, a Gaslamp Baller since inception (almost), is in regards to this article in the UT by Jay Posner about new media. I know only about 1,000 very old people read it in print, but I'm irked about it anyway. This weekly article, normally dedicated to a local TV and radio roundup, decided to have its main focus on the new career paths of Craig Elsten and Chris Ello, two failed (I will use some form of this word frequently, by the way) San Diego radio sportscasters/drive time hosts/failures.
Posner used to cover these two failures who, ahem, "dominated" the AM radio airwaves in San Diego offering their scorching opinions on San Diego sports before getting canned earlier this year. Naturally, these failures, like Posner and anybody even remotely connected to an old media job, have turned to this newfangled internet thing to connect with their intended consumer. That is all well and good, and should absolutely be commended for its truly innovative thinking, no matter how many years (bordering on decades) late they are to the game.
The article mentions that the failures believe this is "where the media business is headed." Oh really, ya think?
Gaslamp Ball, a site that has been around since 2005 (way longer than the super cleverly-titled 619sports by those failures mentioned above), is the ultimate and predominant site on the internet for all things Padres, as all of you know. What the tag team of Craig and Chris think they're doing and making waves at, Dexter Bustarde and Jonathan Box [pseudonym] have already been doing for almost 5 years.
In addition to blogging about everything from game recaps to their favorite players to poor coaching and front office decisions, they've even managed to score some great interviews with the likes of Paul DePodesta, and left field bleachers icon "Harry the Heckler."
And it's not like they were the first ones to write their opinions about a sports team on the internet, either. Mr. Jay Posner, this absolutely is not groundbreaking stuff here! Just because two radio failures start some crappy website and figured out how to do a podcast is NOT news!
You should already be aware that the fans of this generation are migrating to more on demand and creative needs. Aren't you in charge of Kevin Acee, the incredibly brilliant San Diego Chargers beat writer? I mean, you must have noticed all the sweet new exclusive video content he's been posting, his willingness to connect with readers via the mailbag, and especially his kickass haircut?
Speaking of the Chargers, they've also got a dedicated site on the same network as Gaslamp Ball. How about that? Bolts from the Blue, which has also been around longer than the site of the failures, gives its own fresh take on the Bolts with instantaneous reactions and analysis from some extraordinarily smart individuals. They even landed an interview with the newly-drafted Louis Vasquez. Pretty cool, right? Give it a read sometime, Jay.
So Jay, when you talk about San Diego sports and new media, you might want to consider that this is something that has already been going on for many years now and it'd definitely behoove you to make note of it.
Regards,
Matt
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Back when I was young
We didn’t have this fancy internet thingy. If you wanted news about your football team in June, you had to make it up yourself in your own head. If you wanted to listen to sports radio, you had to make sure you were in your car between 3-5 PM.
I remember using this new fangled email thing to complain to my friends about how little chargers news was out there in the offseason. We would send lengthy emails to each other commenting on different players and teams (alot like what you get here on sbnation, but not as consistent and there were only 3 or 4 of us.)
Now were getting too much chargers news? Another source and commentary on san diego sports is a bad thing?
I hear you that Posner sounds like he is commenting on something he doesn’t really understand. But I think the future of media and sports media specifically is in flux right now. The Newspaper just started really disappearing in the last year or so. BFTB has only been around for a year. A local sports web site with two “real” journalists running it and producing original content is kind of a new thing. BFTB and the rest of sbnation is really written by fans, some are very good, but none of us make our living as “journalists”. I know which I like better, but they are definately different.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 3, 2009 6:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Craig Elston actually responded to this rant on Gaslampball
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I guess I can understand why folks who have been participating on and writing for websites could be jealous or upset that our website got a writeup in the Sports Media column of the U-T. I’d even go so far as to say that you make some valid points, such as the fact that traditional media is way behind the curve and just now is catching on, years late. And I know that neither myself nor Chris ever expected for every single person in San Diego to like us, enjoy our broadcasting/writing/coverage, or wish us success. Some people are going to be put off by one or both of our styles, others might actively dislike what we do.
(BTW: I really like GLB and BFTB and have nothing negative to say about them. I wish them all the success in the world. I think there’s plenty of room on the WWW for all opinions, coming from all directions, and wish they would receive just as much publicity as anyone else. We are quite grateful every time that GLB links to one of our stories, podcasts or interviews. We hope BFTB will do the same during Chargers season.)
But to refer to us collectively as "failures", over and over, in a fashion that is clearly and intentionally mean-spirited, is simply inaccurate. I’m not going to bother defending myself against an attack that is just meant to hurt and offend. If you’d like to know what has happened to the radio industry and how thousands of people around the country lost their jobs in the last eight months, that’s a different story. It wasn’t personal, that’s for sure. Your post makes it personal, though, as if someone somewhere said "those two stink! Fire them!" And you laughed and clapped.
Whatever you may do for a living, sir, I sincerely hope you never have to lose your job and see the industry you have built your living in collapse around you. If that does happen and you try and make something of yourself still, I hope you don’t have to read someone mocking and belittling your efforts and calling you a failure. If you do have to read such an unfortunate thing, I hope it doesn’t sway you from staying true to what you believe and continuing to try your best.
by Craig E on Aug 3, 2009 5:40 PM PDT
I don’t really have anything to add, I just thought it should get equal play here.
Memo to baseball managers: You manufacture runs by NOT making outs, not by making them on purpose.
by Wonko on Aug 4, 2009 3:47 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I tend to agree that matto was overly harsh with his constant use of “failure” to describe guys who got laid off.
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by Richard Wade on Aug 5, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I think Matt’s response was moreso geared toward the fact that Jay Posner was covering this as “newsworthy”. Not that he was concerned at about Chris and Craig starting their own website. But I think “failures” is an accurate word. If they really offered something that people could not get anywhere else, then they would still be on the radio. Just look at Howard Stern, etc. There is still a market for talent.
by SJO on Aug 4, 2009 1:50 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Actually
Clear Channel fired many people regardless of ratings or talent. They were cost cutting. In fact, they laid off many of their more talented hosts and replaced them with cheaper, less talented ones. There were other Clear Channel stations that had #1 rated radio shows that had some of their hosts laid off as well. I’d be hesitant to use the word failure in that sense.
Memo to baseball managers: You manufacture runs by NOT making outs, not by making them on purpose.
by Wonko on Aug 4, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Bleacher Bums
Were they on the air because they “really offered something people could not get anywhere else” or because they were willing to work for the left over donuts from Scott & BR’s morning shift?
Dare we say the latter? If it’s the latter or some variation (very small variation, lol) we can deduce that the driving force behind putting someone on the air (in this economy) is cost efficiency?
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by AIChief on Aug 4, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the SD market can really support two sports talk radio stations
That is part of the problem with clear channel (XTRA 1360) and BCA (XX 1090). Unless one wants to go all syndication and the other stays very local. I think XTRA is trending towards an all syndicated lineup (which I assume is cheaper)
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 5, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I believe that their only unsyndicated show
Is The Drive which is on during the afternoon/evening rush hour.
Memo to baseball managers: You manufacture runs by NOT making outs, not by making them on purpose.
by Wonko on Aug 5, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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