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AFC West Offseason Progress Reports by Position: RB

Considering the overwhelming lack of response to the first installment of this series, I considered stopping it altogether.  Then I re-read it and liked it.  Seriously, what's not to like?  Even if you don't agree with all of my opinions, it stands as another reminder of the turmoil this division has faced outside of San Diego.  Two of the three teams have new starting quarterbacks that have question-marks attached to them.  The other one has a new veteran breathing down his neck for the starting job and a new offensive coordinator.  What's not to love as a Chargers fan?

So I'm going to try this again.  I hope there's a better response this time as we analyze the backfields of AFC West teams and rate the offseason changes that have (or haven't) been made.

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San Diego Chargers: Change by addition and possibly by approach.  Going into 2008, the consensus was that LaDainian Tomlinson was the #1 back and would return to form after his injury in late 2007.  Jacob Hester had been drafted to be his backup and to replace Michael Turner.  Well, very quickly we learned that Hester could be an effective player but the coaching staff obviously thought he didn't have what it took to be a backup and Darren Sproles came in to do the job. 

Sproles actually wound up outperforming Turner's 2007 performance.  Take a look:

RushAtt RushYds RushTDs RushYPC Rec RecYds RecTDs
Turner (2007) 71 316 1 4.5 4 16 0
Sproles (2008) 61 330 1 5.4 29 342 5

 

What drop-off?  After looking at these numbers, I almost went back on my idea that Sproles should be the 3rd string RB.  Actually, that phrase isn't right.  I believe the Chargers should have a RB by committee.  There's so many reasons for it.  One, it'll extend LT's career.  Two, LT and Sproles would be healthier and more rested for the playoffs.  Three, it gives Gartrell Johnson a chance to grow on the field without much pressure.  I could go on and on.  Anyways, I almost went back on that after seeing how successful Sproles was last season.  I almost said "Ah, the hell with it, give Sproles more carries and keep Gartrell on the bench."  Then I remembered last year's running game.  It was poor because LT was hurt, true, but the thing that stood out the most was how it lacked versatility.  Every time the ball was handed off the defense knew that the RB wanted to go outside.  They knew the RB would try and win the battle with speed instead of power and there was nobody on the team to change their mind.

Jacob Hester was drafted to be that power back that gives the offense versatility.  It's who he was in college.  Although he was small, he was a bit of a bruiser but also had speed and soft hands.  Other NFL teams were worried that he wouldn't be able to be a bruiser in the NFL and they may be right (when it comes to his running, anyway).  Gartrell Johnson, to me, equals all the reasons I mentioned above.  Because of their size, Sproles is just as big a risk as Tomlinson to get worn down and injured.  I don't really care if either of those guys see the field in the first 5 games of the season.  I want them late in the season and in the playoffs to be at the top of their game.  So, what did the Chargers do to their running game over the offseason?  They had their FB beef up and created some versatility in the backfield by drafting a power back.

Offseason Grade: B+.  My grade at the end of the season will be more telling.  I'm still worried that these three guys are not going to be used the right way.  I'm concerned we're going to get to Week 17 and Gartrell, with less than 20 carries under his belt, will have to start a game because LT is hurt and Sproles isn't trusted to be a starter.  I don't want playoff weeks centered around LT's injuries anymore.  I'm hopefuly we're past that and this pick gives me hope, but we'll see...

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Kansas City Chiefs: Larry Johnson is a bum.  There, I said it.  My definition of a "bum" when it comes to sports is somebody who is so talented that their team keeps relying on them, even though year after year the guy lets them down.  Is it LJ's fault?  Well, the off-the-field problems certainly are, but the on-the-field problems may not be. 

In 2006, Larry Johnson carried the rock 416 times.  That seems like a lot, doesn't it?  Well, it's the most amount of carries by one running back in one season in the history of professional football.  Some other guys right behind him on that list?  Eddie George and Jamal Anderson.  Two guys that physically broke down after being overworked.  Not only that, LJ turns 30 in November.  So his body's working against him already.  Since that 2006 season, in which Johnson went to the Pro Bowl and carried the Chiefs to a 9-7 record, Larry has had a hard time staying healthy.  Yet, the Chiefs keep looking for him to return to form.

In 2007, Johnson managed to get into 8 games.  In 2008, it was 12.  Want a picture of how his performance, when healthy, has gone down?  Lets look at how efficient he's been over the course of his career.

RushAtt RushYPC TDs Fumbles
2004 120 4.8 11 0
2005 336 5.2 21 5
2006 416 4.3 19 2
2007 158 3.5 4 1
2008 193 4.5 5 5

 

Every team wants a guy that can score 20 times and fumble less than 5 times each season, but fumbling as many times as you're getting in the end zone should not make you the centerpiece of an offense.  Plain and simple, LJ doesn't have anything left.  I'm actually surprised he had those big seasons in 2005 and 2006 considering how he was run into the ground at Penn State, but basically have the first-half of 2004 off probably helped that.

So in 2008 the Chiefs drafted Jamaal Charles.  He was effective when he played (5.3 Yards Per Carry), but the coaching staff seemed to prefer Johnson.  Going into 2009, LJ is again the starter.  He's been a two-time Pro Bowler, a player with off-the-field issues, injury-prone and someone who is not afraid to speak out against his coach to the media.  Why is KC still pinning their hopes on him?  Because he's a bum, and they're getting suckered in.  It happens to the best of us (I'm looking at you, David Boston).

Offseason Grade: D.  Okay, so Charles is a year older and wiser.  That's the only reason they don't get an F (LJ is another year older as well).  Jamaal is also probably a better fit for Haley's offense because he's a great receiver coming out of the backfield.  He should be given the starter's role and Johnson should be shopped, but that's not happening this year.  Maybe next year.  The Chiefs drafted little-known Javarris Williams out of Tennessee State this year, but if he sees the field it'll be as a FB only.

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Denver Broncos: Okay, let's see if I can cover it all without my head exploding.

2008 backfield: Michael Pittman, Peyton Hillis, Selvin Young, Tatum Bell, Andre Hall, P.J. Pope, Ryan Torain

Before I get to the 2009 backfield, a crazy statistic.  The Broncos didn't have a single running back with more than 76 carries last season.  LT can get to that number in 3 games and they didn't have a single guy get to it in an entire season.  Peyton Hillis started the most games for them last season, with 6, and even some of those he started as the fullback.  What an unbelievable season for the Broncos backfield.

2009 backfield: Knowshon Moreno, Correll Buckhalter, J.J. Arrington, Peyton Hillis, LaMont Jordan, Ryan Torain, Darius Walker

Arrington is crossed out because he was signed by the Broncos and later released, I believe because he failed a physical.  Is Moreno an improvement over Pittman?  Sure.  I could see that.  Is Buckhalter better than Selvin Young and Tatum Bell?  Hmmmmm.  I don't know.  I'd say he's about equal, but he's older and a bigger injury risk.  If it would've been cheaper I would've stuck with Selvin Young.  Torain has potential but will probably never see the field now and I'm unsure why they even grabbed Darius Walker.  Four new RBs for a coach that's known for his passing game.  Odd, isn't it?

Offseason Grade: C+.  I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming that Moreno is good.  Not great, but good.  I'm a little concerned with a change in the run-blocking philosophy because those guys are too small to do anything else but cut-block.  The Jordan and Walker signings just seem like the team is planning for their RBs to start dropping like flies again.  This grade is very dependant on how Moreno performs and if Buckhalter can contribute anything without getting injured.

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Oakland Raiders: I gave the Raiders a good grade when I was doing the progress reports for QBs and I immediately noticed traffic coming in from Raiders sites and forums.  They liked what I said.  They said "Even Chargers fans can see that this has been a great offseason for the Raiders!"  I want to answer that by saying I do think that the Raiders have had a better offseason than KC and Denver, in terms of players that were brought in, but that doesn't mean I'm picking them for second in the division.  Nor do I think they'll beat the Chargers this year.  With that being said, get ready for another good grade for the Raiders....

The Raiders have a three-headed running game.  Justin Fargas carries the bulk of the load (because he's the most consistent, in terms of performance and health), Darren McFadden is the big play guy who needs to stay fresh and healthy and Michael Bush is a bruiser who can put away games when Oakland has the lead.  All three of those guys were good last season and there was no need to replace them.  So the Raiders did the smartest thing you could possibly do for a backfield of young, talented running backs.  They signed Lorenzo "get behind me for 1000 yards" Neal to be their starting fullback.  Then they started filling holes on their offensive line with good free agent players, like Khalif Barnes.

Are you one of those people that think the signing of Lorenzo Neal doesn't mean that much?  Let's look at the RBs that Neal has lead to 1,000 yards seasons:

  • Adrian Murrell
  • Warrick Dunn
  • Eddie George (twice)
  • Corey Dillion (twice)
  • LaDainian Tomlinson (five times)

...and the only reason he's had any seasons without a 1,000 yard rusher behind him is because he's played for some teams that split carries (like the Raiders).  Coming up on 40 years of age, Neal isn't what he once was but he's certainly good enough to improve the Raiders run-blocking.  He'll get the most out of those three talented backs.

Offseason Grade: A.  Any time you can sign a future Hall of Famer to be in on every running play, that's going to get you a good grade in my book.  With signings like Garcia and Neal, the Raiders are trying to add some greatly-needed veteran leadership to the locker room and in film study.  I don't know that it'll turn into more than two or three more wins in 2009 from 2008, but it should help all of their young players in the long run.  The Chargers used the same philosophy years ago by bringing in players Neal, Roman Oben, Chris Chambers, Marlon McCree and Randall Godfrey.

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perhaps you didn’t get very many responses because people either agree with you or didn’t have an opinion to offer. I liked the articles, keep em comming. I’m hoping that norv lets chudzinski call the plays or at least the two of them come up with a more exciting game plan. Norv’s offense is just too boring, same old plays over and over again. It’s too easy for opposing defenses to plan a strategy against us. I agree that gartrell should do the “grunt” work, the short yardage stuff. Keep LT from taking un-necessary pounding so that hopefully he’s healthy at the end of the year.

by irishlad on Jun 29, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Perhaps

I agree with everything you said. Not that it would ever happen, but I think they should give LT games off. Like if the Broncos look like they’re going to go 2-14, just give LT the game off and let Gartrell be the starter. It’d be great media trash talk and it’d be like two extra bye weeks for him.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think

that the 15 or 25 play opening game plan needs to be burned. Norv is known as an O.C. genius, but last season’s games seemed to start the same way: Run middle, run middle, try a pass, punt. Exciting? Not so much. This did eventually change through the season, but is was frustrating to watch.
It would be good to see he and Chud figure out some new, exciting plays. There weren’t too many trick or gadget plays last year. The offence got it done, but it was in a very methodical way, and at times wasn’t very exciting. Don’t get me wrong, I’d rather watch a boring win than an exciting loss – but it would be nice to occasionally see some shenanigans.
I agree with keeping LT the feature back, but keep him fresh by working in the other backs. Sproles, Gartrell and Hester need to provide a change of pace and a bit of a bruising too. They need to use them like we used Turner and allow LT to prove people wrong by being healthy and productive in the playoffs (and Super Bowl??)

If I agreed with you, we would both be wrong

by Diesel85 on Jun 29, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

No no no no!

We do not need to use them like we used Turner. Turner barely carried the ball! I see what you’re trying to say though. We need to use them the same way everyone knew we should’ve been using Turner.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

that what i meant

thanks for clearing up what i should have said

If I agreed with you, we would both be wrong

by Diesel85 on Jun 29, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great analysis

Keep ’em coming.

"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG

by TheGrandHatching on Jun 29, 2009 12:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Love the analyses

Keep them coming along. I agree that the RB by committee makes a lot of sense. It almost seemed like Norv was afraid not to give LT his carries, that LT would get frustrated and say something in the press. I hope he does go to the committee approach. A healthy LT in the playoffs would be awesome.

I sure hope Norv let’s go of most of the play-calling during the game. His calling did seem very predictable, and, I am guessing he does not have the focus to make the needed in game changes because he has to watch the defense. Give his input during the week, but let it go during the game.

by jayman66 on Jun 29, 2009 12:54 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

It almost seemed like Norv was afraid not to give LT his carries, that LT would get frustrated and say something in the press.

I couldn’t agree more. Actually, with the whole comment. Rec’d.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the analysis
Arrington is crossed out because he was signed by the Broncos and later released, I believe because he failed a physical. Is Moreno an improvement over Pittman? Sure. I could see that. Is Buckhalter better than Selvin Young and Tatum Bell? Hmmmmm. I don’t know. I’d say he’s about equal, but he’s older and a bigger injury risk. If it would’ve been cheaper I would’ve stuck with Selvin Young. Torain has potential but will probably never see the field now and I’m unsure why they even grabbed Darius Walker. Four new RBs for a coach that’s known for his passing game. Odd, isn’t it?

John, Buckhalter is a lot better than Young, since Young failed his physical on a neck injury that needs a year off. As far as Walker and Torain – I’m sure that they’ll keep one, at least, on the PS and Torain will start the season on IR. That leaves Hillis, Moreno, Jordan and Buckhalter.

I’m just curious – Why do you see these guys as light?
Moreno – 5’11 217
Hillis is 6’2 250
Buckhalter is 6’0 217
Jordan is 5’11 230
Their average is 6’.5 and 228 – that’s a pretty fair sized lineup. Their backup FB is Spencer Larsen and he’s 6’2 and 240. Not huge, but that wouldn’t fit how McDaniels uses RBs, either.

By the way – you never noted why the Broncos didn’t have any big gainers last year. They had 7 starters go down to injury and set a new NFL record for the position. Gosh, why would they keep 6 RBs around? Well, with 1 on the IR and I on the PS you have a FB (Hillis) and three RBs. Pretty much normal.

You know, you keep talking about McDaniels and his pass, pass pass? You’re at least somewhat wrong. Statistically, for the 4 years that he called plays for new England he was at a passing/rush ration 56.9 to 43.1. Pass heavy, sure, but a lot of it was to the RBs. It was Jeremy Bates, in Denver last year, who was pass, pass, pass; not McDaniels. Obviously, with Brady, those receivers and a mediocre running attack, of course they would pass more. Actually, we broke out McD’s offensive tendencies pretty completely if you’d like to know what he really does prefer.

Grade Moreno wherever you want – We’ll know later. But if the Broncos had passed on him and you’d drafted him, you’d be dancing on the guy. Hillis can play 4 positions, so he’s going to be on the field quite a bit. They need Buckhalter and Jordan to do what they did last year – get about 350 yards and catch some balls, while being decent in the blocking game. One other consideration is that McDaniels might, as you suggested for SD, be going to more of a RBBC to keep injuries down and careers longer. It’s total yardage that matters most anyway. By the way, McD also noted in an interview that he’s going to use something totally new in the running game, and no one knows (or tells) what, so that might be fun.

I like the Chargers chances this year, but you got caught a few times in your Arrowhead Pride interview with your numbers off, and I’m afraid that it just happened again. No worries. Thanks for the viewpoint – rec’d.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Jun 29, 2009 2:43 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't think I called them light(?)

I called the offensive line small, but that’s it. I think. If I called their RBs light, could you point it out to me?

I figured I didn’t need to point out that they had all the RBs go down. It’s been discussed here a million times, everyone know about it.

I don’t think I got caught with my numbers off at all. I was wrong about Haley and LJ’s suspension, but that had nothing to do with numbers. Neither did this.

I’m stealing “RBBC” by the way.

I don’t quite understand what you’re saying. Even though McDaniels has coached pass-heavy offenses in the past, he won’t do it because he doesn’t have Brady and the receivers? That would make me even more nervous! Why would he deviate from what has worked for him in the past? Whether or not the passes goes to RBs doesn’t change the fact that it’s probably going to be a pass-heavy offense.

Thanks for the info on Young.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

John,
I don’t quite understand what you’re saying. Even though McDaniels has coached pass-heavy offenses in the past, he won’t do it because he doesn’t have Brady and the receivers? That would make me even more nervous! Why would he deviate from what has worked for him in the past? Whether or not the passes goes to RBs doesn’t change the fact that it’s probably going to be a pass-heavy offense.

No, that’s not what I’m saying. McDaniels, (in fact, the entire NE amoeba philosophy), uses whatever is best. If it’s a great RB, that dominates, if it’s a great QB and receiving corp (as was true with Brady, Welker and Moss) you let that dominate. No one really knows much of what he’ll do, but as you see – we did a long series on all of the NE tendencies and the players on their offense, including the roles and outcomes on each. You don’t like Orton – if you turn out to be right (while I’m betting against it, of course), you’ll see a more run-dominant offense.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Jun 29, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the clarification

Now it makes sense.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

We had no intention

of drafting Moreno. That was part smokescreen & mostly media hype.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Jun 29, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, and John ....

RBBC isn’t new, brudda. :-)

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Jun 29, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

RBBC is yours ;-)
I’m a little concerned with a change in the run-blocking philosophy because those guys are too small to do anything else but cut-block.

Thanks – I found it confusing and thought you were kvetching about the RBs. Clady is 326, though, so otherwise that’s fine – zone blocking lines are set up to be lighter. As far as all they ‘can’ do – c’mon. It’s legal, it’s a style of blocking. Nothing more. If you don’t like it, I assume that you argue against it whenever any team does it? Zone blocking usually involves cut blocking and there’s nothing unusual about it. They also use gap, sometimes called ‘regular’ blocking and will do a little more of it this year.

You had the payer numbers from NE’s O line wrong. It wasn’ the same line the did well with Brady – they actually had a very different line at times, having several injuries and dealing with injured starters, a starter that didn’t play well and poor depth over the season. I though that you accepted that in the thread – perhaps I misunderstood you.

Buck – I didn’t say that you wanted him, and we’ll never know about the smokescreen. The issue was that he’s a very good player by nearly every measure I’ve ever seen or heard, but John seems to be brushing him off as a player. If SD DID draft him John would see this very differently, and that was my only point. Thanks

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Jun 29, 2009 3:18 PM PDT reply actions  

You're right

He has a lot of potential at the position. I just never bought into the hype of us picking any RB with our #1 – LT renegotiation or not.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Jun 29, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

NE's O-line

2007:
Light (16 GS)
Mankins (16 GS)
Koppen (15 GS)
Neal (8 GS)/Hochstein (8 GS)
Kaczur (15 GS)

2008:
Light (16 GS)
Mankins (16 GS)
Koppen (16 GS)
Neal (9 GS)/Yates (7 GS)
Kaczur (14 GS)

How is that a different offensive line?

I was under the impression that McDaniels would not be using zone blocking, since he never did in NE. That’s why I said the offensive line was undersized (besides Clady, of course).

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can dig out the breakdown

But again – injuries and the replacement of Neal changed the line considerably. You’re right, btw – it’s less than I recall – but I read through the clips on the O line and the injuries that they played with. You could see why it dropped off in production. I also had to wonder – 4 of the 5 hit 30+ during the season, and perhaps they just wore out after the aerial assault in 2007

No, McD kept Bobby Turner at running backs and Rick Dennison at the O line just to keep the ZB/one cut run-blocking system intact. He talked about ti at a press conference, and added that he liked the gap blocking that they kept in addition to the ZB scheme in NE, and wanted to add a little more of that. We also think that our 4h round fellow, Seth Olsen, will be taking over at guard soon. He’s also a little heavier than Ben Hamilton at 306-310, but fits the mold in general

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Jun 29, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your analysis is good, John

Just a couple of points …..

I hope to see the other RBs getting carries early on so LT will be fresh for the playoffs.
The Raiders have a good committee of RBs – but can the line get it done for them?
The Chiefs are in deep trouble.
The Broncos’ running game is a wild card right now.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Jun 29, 2009 3:19 PM PDT reply actions  

game plan

I agree that I’d rather see a boring win than an exciting loss (I think). I’m not saying we need to become “air coryell” II, or a gimmic oriented offense. sometimes marty ran the reverse too often. Gimic plays lose their effectiveness if ran too often. But, an occasional wrinkle to take the defense by surprise. And, if we have the capability, why not on defense as well. Look at the steelers, harrison shows rush, then drops back and picks off an easy int. He did it to us and did it again to arizona in the superbowl. When I first saw the pick of rivers, I thought rivers blew it. When I saw the replay, the receiver did look open for a second, but then harrison dropped back and was there for the pick.

by irishlad on Jun 29, 2009 6:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

The offense did seem a little stale in these past two seasons, although I think VJ has still been running a reverse from time-to-time.

Glad to have you here at BFTB, your comments have been very good thusfar. You may want to read this to make sure that if you’re replying to a certain comment, it comes across that way.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 30, 2009 4:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great analysis

But you overlooked quite a bit about the KC Chiefs. First off, Haley did not bring his Arizona offense to town, the plays are the same as Chan Gailey (whom the Chiefs retained as Offensive Coordinator and whom invented the slash position for Cordell Stewart) ran last year, except they will not be in the “Arrowspread” all the time. In fact, Haley has been quoted as saying “if we win with 3 yards and a cloud of dust and playing great defense, then I’ll be happy with that.”

Second, LJ was not injured or overworked last year, he did not play because, as you said, he is a bum, and was in Herm’s dog house all year. When he did get his opportunity, Thiggy was operating the spread offense, and there wasn’t much need for him, he’s not a LT/Sproles type.

In 2007 he had a freak foot injury that caused him to miss most of the season. I wouldn’t call him broke down at all.

For all practical purposes, LJ should be well rested after pretty much a year off, and all reports from OTAs are that he has been following the rules and doing everything that is asked of him, because the Chiefs won the salary arbitration and don’t have to pay him. Because he wants to get paid, sad to say, look for him to have a monster year.

Kolby Smith, who has shown flashes, returns from injury to compete with Jamaal Charles this year. I think, like most of the other parts of the Chiefs (and probably the Broncos) you have to give a grade of incomplete until the pads are actually on.

Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...

by cpa913 on Jun 30, 2009 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Chargers: Bennett

The job isn’t Gartrell’s yet. Bennett still has a shot. It’s plausible even that the Bolts carry Sproles, LT, Bennett, Gartrell, and Hester. This would leave them without a true blocking FB, but then again, Tolbert wasn’t the greatest at blocking.
Back to Bennett: I see this as a TC battle. Bennett is pretty old however, and will have to soundly thump Johnson in TC to trump Johnson’s upside. Not outside the realms of possibility though. Also, there’s no way Johnson gets sent to the practice squad, unless he’s a total dud that the Bolts wouldn’t mind losing. He’s too high profile and would get poached before the Bolts could place him on the PS.
Bennett isn’t a bad 3rd back. Or 4th back if you think Hester will get plenty of carries (which I do).
In summary: The Bolts are stocked at RB/FB (which they should be: they’ve got $14+million cap dollars in RB/FBs). Whether it’s Bennett or Johnson getting carries is probably a moot point but just thought I’d mention that Gartrell is no lock for playing time or even the active list—Bennett might yet win that spot.

by FCBolt82 on Jul 1, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Moot point?

Bennett is somewhere between LT and Sproles in terms of size and strength. If he’s 3rd on the depth chart and taking carries away from Gartrell, the Chargers are in the same spot they were last year. No legitimate power/goal-line back and nobody who can step in and be effective for 25-30 carries a game if LT gets injuries.

Bennett, like Sproles, is a 3rd down back.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jul 1, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why not?

Why can’t Bennett step in?
Gartrell is ready to step in for 25-30 per game but Bennett isn’t? Let’s see the guy play in pads first.

As far as powerback goes, we’ll see if that’s what Johnson shakes out to be. He’s 218 now. And what about Hester in the short yardage situations? Why are we counting him out?

As far as it being a moot point: that was based on them both making the 53 man. So that would really be a moot point, ie: if the 5’9" 207lb Bennett gets more carries than the 5’11" 218lb Johnson, so what? And it ain’t the same spot as last year if LT is healthy. If LT gets injured again (knock on wood) and the coaches decide that the committee is Sproles, Bennett, and Hester, how is that worse than Sproles, Johnson, and Hester?

I’ve followed Gartrell the last 2 yrs at Colorado State ( I live in Fort Collins). I was rooting for the Bolts to draft him back in January. But we still have to wait and see how he does in training camp. If we’re viewing Johnson as the guy who’s going to give our run game a makeover, we’re in trouble. I hope it’s true, but if Bennett shows up big, then what’s the problem? Johnson is a late 4th rounder—maybe he’ll play out like the 5th rounder MT, maybe not. But there are other options.
Bennett ain’t toast yet.

by FCBolt82 on Jul 1, 2009 7:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Ok....

ESPN has Gartrell listed at 6’0" and 227lbs.

You missed my point. Sproles and Bennet are third down backs. LT is just barely big enough/strong enough to be an every down back, but even a healthy LT should not be forced to carry the brunt of the load again. That would end with another injured LT at the end of the season.

Look at the other RB committees around the league and they’re versatile. They have the power back, the speed back and maybe a somewhere-in-between guy. Having a committee made up of 2 undersized speed backs and an in-between guy offers no versatility. It offers no power on a 3rd and 1. It offers no closer at the end of the game. It would be like if a major league pitcher threw nothing but 4 seam fastballs with the occasional 2 seam fastball mixed in. You need a change-up, and Gartrell is different from the other RBs we have. He’s the change-up.

I’m not saying Bennett’s not good. I thought he was very effective last year in the playoffs and I liked him in Minnesota. I just don’t think he offers anything that LT and Sproles don’t.

I don’t think Hester gets a bunch of carries this year. I think he’ll get 20-25 for the season with 20-25 catches as well. You don’t ask the undersized, speedy white guy to put on blocking muscle so that he can run the ball. He’ll be slower this year, but more effective as a FB.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jul 2, 2009 5:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I see where you're coming from now.

And it’s a good point you’re making.
Not all committees need be Earth, Wind, and Fire though. It might just be a matter of sharing the load so LT is healthy for the playoffs.

That’s the heaviest wt I’ve seen for Gartrell yet—both my wt figues came from Chargers official roster, which assumes that if they’re lying, they’re lying equally for each player. Not sure where ESPN got theirs. GJs combine wt was 219 , which is the one figure I trust. Not sure what the Chargers have had him do since then training-wise though.

Hester: I’m looking for him to avg 3 per game. So right around 50. And bigger and bulkier may mean some short yardage carries too. But without doubt, let’s hope his blocking skills shine through this season.

by FCBolt82 on Jul 2, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

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by John Gennaro on Jul 2, 2009 5:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

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