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San Diego Chargers: Age By Position Group

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I bet Buster Davis is younger than you think.

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We've been over the discussion a million times now.  Which positions should be upgraded and which shouldn't.  The consensus seems to be that SS, RT and ILB are the positions that need new starters, but what about the positions as a whole?

AJ Smith does an excellent job of bringing in young players to serve as backups and eventually take over the starter's role.....so has the team remained young?  We're going break down the age of the San Diego Chargers roster by position group, then compare it to some of the other contenders in the NFL.

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QB: Philip Rivers (27), Billy Volek (33), Charlie Whitehurst (26)

Median Age: 28.6 years

This is right where you'd like it to be.  The Chargers are in a perfect situation with a young franchise QB, a veteran backup who can come in at any time and play well, and a young third stringer who works as a project and a backup plan in case of some sort of career-ending injury to Rivers.  Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are roughly the same age as Volek.

 

RB: LaDainian Tomlinson (30), Darren Sproles (26), Gartrell Johnson (23), Jacob Hester (24)

Median Age: 25.7 years

Not bad at all.  You'd obviously prefer to have Tomlinson be 26 and Sproles be 30, but since we've had Tomlinson for eight seasons we really can't complain.  Unless I'm wrong I don't think any of these guys came out of college early.  Some other RBs around the league: L Johnson (29), A Peterson (24), M Turner (27), C Portis (27), T Jones (30), W Parker (28).  Although Tomlinson may be considered "up there" in age and miles for a running back, this group is quite young.

 

WR/TE: Vincent Jackson (26), Chris Chambers (30), Malcom Floyd (27), Craig Davis (23), Legedu Naanee (25), Antonio Gates (29), Brandon Manumaleuna (29)

Median Age: 27 years

Davis' age is a bit shocking, isn't it?  Although he's about to start his third season he's the same age as the current crop of rookies.  That definitely makes me feel a little better about his lackluster development thusfar, and I'm sure it loosens the leash from the team as well.  Considering Jackson and Floyd didn't flash anything until they were 24 or 25, Davis still has a chance to be a break out player.  Some top WRs: A Johnson (27), L Fitzgerald (25), S Smith (30), B Marshall (25), A Bryant (28), R Wayne (30), T Owens (35), H Ward (33), D Mason (35).  The Chargers are right where they should be with this group.  Chambers, after being the only receiving option for years in Miami, may have more mileage on him than your average 30 year old wideout.

OL: Marcus McNeil (25), Kris Dielman (28), Nick Hardwick (27), Louis Vasquez (22), Kynan Forney (30), Scott Mruczkowski (27), Jeromey Clary (25), L.J. Shelton (33)

Median Age: 27.1 years

Now that's great to see.  If Vasquez beats out Forney, nobody on the starting offensive line will be older than 28.  That's the way to build an offensive line, so that the players can spend a few years playing with each other and growing together.  The most shocking thing on that list for me is McNeil.  With all of the health problems he had last season, I completely forgot how young he was.  It seems like he's been at LT forever already.  It's also hard for me to remember when it wasn't McNeil/Dielman/Hardwick suring up the left side of that line.  Around the NFL ages: Flozell Adams (34), Khalif Barnes (27), Jammal Brown (28), Levi Brown (25), Marc Colombo (30), Chad Clifton (32), Willie Colon (26), Leonard Davis (30), Ryan Diem (29), Alan Faneca (32), Robert Gallery (28).

 

DL: Jacques Cesaire (28), Luis Castillo (25), Vaughn Martin (22), Ryon Bingham (28), Jamal Williams (33)

Median Age: 27.2

It's funny how each one of these position groups is generally a bunch of young guys and one or two veterans.  Can you imagine Williams, 33 and with bad knees, trying to keep up with the likes of Castillo and Martin?  Good thing he can push a house off it's foundation.  Other NFL stars: Shaun Rogers (30), Vince Wilfork (27), Shaun Ellis (31), Haloti Ngata (25), Albert Haynesworth (28), Richard Seymour (29), Julius Peppers (29).  What's shocking to me about this is how obvious a players "prime" years are becoming.  There are the superstars that come flying out of the gate and making a huge splash at 24 or 25, but generally it appears 26-29 years of age is when a player is reaching his full potential.  I thought it'd be different dependant upon the position group, but it doesn't appear so.  Although I guess you could argue that the two QB comparables I mentioned had their best year around the time they turned 30.

 

LB: Stephen Cooper (30), Tim Dobbins (26), Antwan Applewhite (23), Kevin Burnett (26), Larry English (23), Brandon Siler (23), Shawne Merriman (25), Shaun Phillips (28), Jyles Tucker (25)

Median Age: 25.4

Good God, that's an interesting list.  Did anyone realize Siler and Applewhite were 23?  It's like they're rookies.  And I can't believe Merriman is only 25.  25!!  He's a three-time Pro Bowler and he missed all of last season.  Maybe I'm too used to the players like Dobbins and Cooper, that work their way up the ladder, but that seems ridiculous.  The difference in age between Phillips and Merriman, or Phillips and English for that matter, is shocking to me.  Let's assume Burnett wins the starting job at ILB.  Our linebacking corps in 2009 would be 25, 26, 30, 28.  That's awesome.  AJ Smith really does not get enough credit for how he builds a roster.  Seriously, how many 30+ players have we run into thus far?  Six?  How many are starters?  Three?  This team is build for the long-haul.  Let's look at other LBs: D'Qwell Jackson (25), Patrick Willis (24), James Farrior (34), Jerod Mayo (23), Eric Barton (31), Karlos Dansby (27), Ray Lewis (34), Bradie James (28), James Harrison (31).

 

CB/S: Antoine Cason (22), Antonio Cromartie (25), Quentin Jammer (30), Steve Gregory (26), Paul Oliver (25), Clinton Hart (31), Eric Weddle (24), Kevin Ellison (22)

Median Age: 25.6

The second youngest group behind the LBs, just narrowly beating out the RBs.  That is a young group.  Even if Jammer gets hurt or falls off, Cason is there to take his place.  If Hart can't perform this preseason, he'll lose his job to Ellison or Oliver.  There are plenty of teams that will take a whole bunch of 30 year olds in important roles on their roster, but it's because they don't do nearly as good a job of drafting and signing undrafted free agents as AJ Smith.  He develops the talent so that losing a player like Marlon McCree, Donnie Edwards, Clinton Hart or God-forbid Shawne Merriman, doesn't destroy the team.  In fact, the team never misses a beat.  I know everyone likes AJ and how he's turned around the team, but when you really look at the roster you have to question whether he ever deserves any criticism at all.  The man operates at a level different from most other NFL GMs.

Other corners and safeties: Gibril WIlson (27), Antoine Winfield (31), Charles Tillman (28), Ed Reed (30), Nick Collins (25), Michael Griffin (24), Troy Polamalu (28), Charles Woodson (32), Cortland Finnegan (25).

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It’s also hard for me to remember when it wasn’t McNeil/Dielman/Hardwick suring up the left side of that line.

You’ve already forgotten the winningest season in Chargers history? McNeil wasn’t the LT on the 2006 team. Roman Oben was. I guess your brain is just meshing the Roman Oben era together with the Marcus McNeil era. It kind of makes sense, with the exception of 2007 McNeil has been equally as solid as Oben.

Memo to baseball managers: You manufacture runs by NOT making outs, not by making them on purpose.

by Wonko on Jun 23, 2009 4:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Scratch that first part about the winningest season

McNeil was on that team. Apparently, my brain was mixing up him going into his 3rd season with actually playing 3 seasons. Dielman was also on that 2006 team (which I knew). Hardwick played for 2 seasons prior to that with the Roman Oben-Toniu Fonoti left side. Hardwick replaced Jason Ball, who was actually pretty solid, but basically headbutted the Chargers brass. 2003 also had journeymen Damion McIntosh and Kelvin Garmon on that left side. Again, not too shabby, but I’ll take the current one, thank you very much.

I still think your brain was meshing together the McNeil-Oben eras and that’s why you think McNeil’s been here so long. It feels like he just got here to me.

Memo to baseball managers: You manufacture runs by NOT making outs, not by making them on purpose.

by Wonko on Jun 23, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're right

but I definitely knew McNeil was a rookie/Pro Bowler on the winningest Chargers season. I’m surprised you didn’t.

I remember being scared when Hardwick was replacing Ball. I was a big fan of his.

I think the reason I think McNeil’s been around so long is because he’s had such a rollercoaster career already.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 23, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had faith in Hardwick

But I watched nearly half of his college games live, so I had a different perspective. I still need to get me a Hardwick jersey to go with my Shaun Phillips and Drew Brees ones.

Memo to baseball managers: You manufacture runs by NOT making outs, not by making them on purpose.

by Wonko on Jun 24, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Great article.
Honestly one of the best i have read in a long time.

This is why i laugh at people who say they dont like A.J. Smith,
the man is pure genious.

by cameronm on Jun 23, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This article

and these comments are why I choose to read this site. The other sites are filled with hate AJ, love AJ, and a bunch of uneducated fans and hate posts. This was a well written article and very informative. Further proof of why AJ is the man!

by GABOLT on Jun 24, 2009 12:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's what I'm trying to keep around here

A place for the educated Chargers fans. I know you’re still fairly new, but wait until you see how great this blog becomes once training camp and the preseason start. There are one or two writers and a handful of commentors that aren’t around now because they’re too busy with other SB Nation blogs that deal with other sports (Richard Wade is writing for Bloody Elbow, Johnny Dub is over at Gaslamp Ball). When we’re running at full-capacity and there’s ongoing Chargers news, this blog is something to really be proud of.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 24, 2009 4:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are

OTHER Charger sites?
This is the only one I ever go to, and John doesn’t disappoint.

Do or do not. There is no try.

by Clip Show on Jun 24, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank You

Not to toot (sp?) my own horn too much, but we are far and away the #1 Chargers blog or forum on the internet in terms of daily and monthly traffic. And we’ll soon be going through our first Chargers pre-season (which is the most fun time for a blog). None of this could happen without you guys visiting the site and providing great comments.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 24, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice article

I have to concur with others here on a couple of points.

First ….. this site has become a daily visit for me. There are others that I still frequent & will continue to, but I’m very favorably impressed with the quality of articles here.

Second ….. while I have questioned some of AJ’s choices during his tenure, this article goes a long way towards proving that he knows how to build a team. Nice mix of veteran skill & leadership to go along with rising talent. When I see the facts laid out like this, I have to scoff at the oft-used term of “the window is closing”. It’s certainly true that it may be getting smaller for some of our older players, but not for the Chargers as a team.

Keep doing what you do, AJ. And get Merriman signed long-term!!!

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Jun 24, 2009 6:30 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

This is a daily (usually more than once) stop for me too.

I really enjoy the articles and the ensuing commentary from users. I am a younger fan who was not around for any of the Air Coryell days, and was not really old enough to know what was going on when we went to the super bowl. I watched with my family, but couldn’t have told you what the difference between a 3-4 vs a 4-3. So, I am glad that now that I really understand what terms/formations/strategy are used, there is a forum for expanding on that knowledge (i.e. X’s & O’s).

Thanks to the admins for helping make this a place for the football fan and not just charger fan. Everyone likes a little debating now and then, but it is very nice to read an article without reading about how much this team or that player suck and will get hurt or lose every game.

So, thank you for writing simple articles like this one that just show how and why players are brought in to fill holes or just add depth.

If I agreed with you, we would both be wrong

by Diesel85 on Jun 24, 2009 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your point is not a good one, and that’s why you were nailed to the wall. We have a pro-bowl WR in Chambers, and Gates, and an up and coming pro-bowler in Jackson. We are going to have a tough time signing Rivers, Merriman, Jackson, McNeil, Sproles, Gates to long term contracts, let along try to bring in that money on another wide out. Look at out passing game last year, and do you really see anything lacking? The answer is No. In fact I rather let Chambers walk at the end of his contract and give his $6 million a year to Jackson.

by SJO on Jun 24, 2009 12:34 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Those comments have been hidden

but your point is a good one, so I’ll leave this up. It also raises a good question: with everyone pulling for LT to return to form and Buster Davis to reach his potential, why isn’t anybody talking about Chambers? Does nobody have hope that he’ll recover after a down year?

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 24, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do the Chargers’ median ages by position compare to the league average?

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by Richard Wade on Jun 24, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally

I don’t have much faith in Chambers because he wasn’t a very good WR to begin with. His only decent year was his rookie season and that was a long time ago. I find it hard to believe that at the age of 30 he will miraculously start catching balls at a better that 50% rate and you’ve really got to make some big plays if more than half the balls coming your way hit the ground.

Memo to baseball managers: You manufacture runs by NOT making outs, not by making them on purpose.

by Wonko on Jun 24, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow!!!

obviousman you deleted my comments and you left the one where that dude slams me then you give me a warning about spamming…why because i didn’t agree with you i used no profane or obscene language at all and my rebuttal was not disrespectful to you or any other CHARGER fan so i guess i have to blindly agree with you on everything CHARGERS…that sounds like you want to censor any other opinion except your and the people that kiss your butt don’t be a douche bag….keep your blog bro i don’t want any part of it..i hope i can meet you at a game one day to see why you think you are far superior to everybody else dude….i hope you are what you pretend to be i know you don’t give the raiders or any other teams fans a high five when they beat us so you either just like the fact you are top dog at this blog cuz you run it or you’re a hypocrite at games if you even go to them…i could just imagine you telling raider fans"its ok next time bro you just need a qb,you’ll get us in the playoffs,here’s a beer" i don’t want to be a part of your blog dude i got an independent mind and like to hAVE MY OWN THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS not subject to your criteria have a good day obviousman when you’re at the round table with a.j smith and dean spanos tell them i said hello ok . until then thanks for being the official voice of ALL CHARGERS FANS

COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE...LOL...WHAT A JOKE...BUNCH OF PANSIES!!!

by @ss-ole on Jun 24, 2009 5:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One Time

This is the last comment like this that will stay up. And that’s because I will use it answer all of your criticisms of me and this blog.

obviousman you deleted my comments and you left the one where that dude slams me then you give me a warning about spamming…why because i didn’t agree with you i used no profane or obscene language at all and my rebuttal was not disrespectful to you or any other CHARGER fan so i guess i have to blindly agree with you on everything CHARGERS

The definition of spamming: Spamming is the abuse of electronic messaging systems to indiscriminately send unsolicited bulk messages. So no, it had nothing to do with you disagreeing with my opinion (which is very much welcome). It had nothing to do with your language either. You were abusing the comments section by posting 6 comments within 30 minutes (and 4 of them were just pasted comments from somewhere else). The comments sections of these posts are for commenting and debating on the post itself. If you’d like to make a FanPost of your own, you’re welcome to. Please see my guide on how to use BFTB.

that sounds like you want to censor any other opinion except your and the people that kiss your butt don’t be a douche bag….keep your blog bro i don’t want any part of it..i hope i can meet you at a game one day to see why you think you are far superior to everybody else dude

I don’t think I’m far superior to everyone else. Just the opposite, I AM everyone else. I have no secret access to AJ Smith or any Chargers players of coaches. I am a fan who likes to make points and back those points up with statistics and facts. The only comments that get censored are the ones that are considered spam or too obscene. Before you arrived, the only comments I ever removed aside my own (to fix typos and re-comment) were two that were made on the same day a few weeks ago by somebody trying to sell something. You are the first BFTB member with an obscene username (good start) and the first BFTB member that has gone so overboard with your criticism of me and other NFL fans that I felt the need to hide your comments. If you had done it once or twice, that’s one thing, but I could not have your pastes from other blogs taking up a huge chunk of the comments.

I need to reiterate that point for you and everyone else. You are not being singled out because you disagree with me. My favorite commentors here are typically the ones that don’t agree with anything I say, but instead of bashing me and calling me superior they poke holes in my arguments with research they’ve done. It’s a great give-and-take that a lot of Chargers fans enjoy. You are being singled out because you are being abusive (not just to me, I don’t care about that) and unruly in the form of spamming the comments. This is your last chance to change the way in which you comment before you will be banned. And don’t think you can simply start up a new account and start over, we’re a little more secure than that.

i hope you are what you pretend to be i know you don’t give the raiders or any other teams fans a high five when they beat us so you either just like the fact you are top dog at this blog cuz you run it or you’re a hypocrite at games if you even go to them…i could just imagine you telling raider fans"its ok next time bro you just need a qb,you’ll get us in the playoffs,here’s a beer" i don’t want to be a part of your blog dude i got an independent mind and like to hAVE MY OWN THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS not subject to your criteria have a good day obviousman when you’re at the round table with a.j smith and dean spanos tell them i said hello ok . until then thanks for being the official voice of ALL CHARGERS FANS

Okay, a lot to answer there. And none of it really makes any sense, so I’ll answer little phrases that seem to calling me a hypocrite. Do I high-five Raiders and Broncos fans when they beat the Chargers? No. Actually, last season that would’ve required me to be in Denver for that game. Anyways, I wouldn’t. After a loss, especially the Hoculi loss of last season, I pout. Sometimes I drown my sorrows in beer. Sometimes I sit and reflect. Every so often I can put those words down on Sunday night and post them here without getting too angry.

I do not high five fans of teams that just beat us, but that doesn’t mean I don’t respect them. If I’m sitting at a game or at a bar and a fan of the opposing team starts talking to me, I’m nice. Yes, I would tell a Raiders fan to keep his head up. That they have some interesting pieces and just need somebody to take control away from Al Davis. Actually, my cousin married a Marine who is a Raiders fan and we discuss both teams equally. He likes of our front office and I like some of their players (McFadden, Bush, Neal, Ellis, Asomugha, etc.). I tell him that JaMarcus Russell has a chance to be a great QB, although I hope it happens with another team. This is the way rational fans talk. It doesn’t matter who your favorite team is, we’re both FOOTBALL fans that like to talk football. And for the record, I have bought a beer for a Chiefs fan at a Chargers game before. He was my friend and a lost a bet to him. I later won back 3 free beers. There was no anger or screaming involved.

I am not the official voice of all Chargers fans. There is no official voice of all Chargers fans, unless you want to include Acee being the team’s unofficial spokesperson. If you don’t want to be a part of this blog community, where fans prefer a rational debate to screaming insults, you don’t have to keep coming back. However, if you’d like to be a part of the community, you’re more than welcome to post and comment with ideas contrary to my own. Just try to do it in a way that’s respectful, not to me but to the other commentors. This is not a place where the loudest shouter and the person who comments the most wins the argument. You win with facts and research. You win by proving your right, not by attacking people with contrary ideas to your own.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 25, 2009 5:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more thing
Your point is not a good one, and that’s why you were nailed to the wall. We have a pro-bowl WR in Chambers, and Gates, and an up and coming pro-bowler in Jackson. We are going to have a tough time signing Rivers, Merriman, Jackson, McNeil, Sproles, Gates to long term contracts, let along try to bring in that money on another wide out. Look at out passing game last year, and do you really see anything lacking? The answer is No. In fact I rather let Chambers walk at the end of his contract and give his $6 million a year to Jackson.

This is the comment you were unhappy with me leaving up? The first sentence references your comment. JUST the first sentence. And all it says is that your point is not a good one. Don’t respond to me complaining about me deleting your long, abusive comments…respond to him! Tell him why you disagree with his point. Tell him how you believe the Chargers could/should manage all of those contracts plus a new one for Brandon Marshall as well.

Simply stated, SJO’s comment was not abusive. It will not be removed. He disagreed with your point and then made his case. He somehow managed to make his case without calling you a fan of another team, a moron or an elitist. This is how the comments are supposed operate.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 25, 2009 5:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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