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San Diego Chargers 2009 NFL Draft Grades

Larry English, OLB, N. Illinois (Round 1, Pick 16 - 16th Overall)

I don't think anyone was really surprised by this choice.  In the past week we began discussing AJ Smith's past picks and how we almost never know who the guy is before he's drafted.  AJ did it again, drafting what he believed to be the best player available at 16.  This was not the most exciting pick, but it's one that provides the defense with some sorely-needed depth.

The more I watch of Larry English, the more he looks like a fearsome pass rusher.  He's built in a similar mold as Merriman - strong, fast and tenacious.  After sitting through 2008, I like the idea that an injury to Merriman or Phillips no longer means our defense turns into wet paper.  This pick also has me fearing the upcoming offseason and negotiations with Merriman a little less.  Most importantly though, our pass rushing linebackers are deeper than ever with Merriman, Phillips, English and Jyles Tucker.

2009 Outlook: Not a starter, but Larry English will see plenty of time on the field.

Pick Grade: B+

 

Louis Vasquez, OG, Texas Tech (Round 3, Pick 14 - 78th Overall)

Immediately Louis Vasquez becomes our widest offensive lineman.  McNeil is the heaviest at 335lbs, but Vasquez matches that weight while being three inches shorter.  This pick is all about potential.  He has unbelievable size and strength to go with great quickness off the line and quick, nimble feet.  Louis' only drawback seems to be that he spent so much time in pass-blocking at Texas Tech that he has little experience driving the defender back or pulling down the line.  These things can be taught.

2009 Outlook: With an outstanding camp Louis Vasquez could possibly compete for the starting RG spot.  It's more likely that he'll sit out most of 2009 while having his skills refined.

Pick Grade: B

 

Vaughn Martin, DT, Western Ontario (Round 4, Pick 13 - 113th Overall)

Here's the risk pick.  The one that the fans know nothing about because we don't typically watch Canadian College Football.  At 6'4", 330lbs Martin has the size to be the Chargers Nose Tackle of the future.  Although he was not invited to the combine, during his workout for NFL teams Martin ran the 40 in about 5 seconds, did 33 bench press reps and somehow did the 20-yard shuttle in 4.31 seconds.  By comparison, Larry English ran the 40 at 4.88 and did the 20-yard shuttle in 4.38 seconds.  It's quite possible the Chargers just drafted a player with Jamal Williams' size and Shawne Merriman's speed.

The one reason I'm down on this pick is it seems to be a major reach.  Martin was expected to go undrafted or possibly get grabbed in the 7th round.

2009 Outlook: Because the Chargers need depth on the defensive line, Vaughn Martin may end up as a backup of some sort for the upcoming season.  However, he is a project and will need to adjust to the rules of American football as well as the size, speed and ferocity of the game before he has any chance of starting.

Pick Grade: D

 

Tyronne Green, C, Auburn (Round 4, Pick 33 - 133rd Overall)

A pick of tremendous value.  Green will replace Newberry, who was effective but might have the creakiest knees in football.  Tyronne provides good size (6'1.5", 309lbs), strength and versatility (he played OG at Auburn).  To add to that, his athleticism makes him a tremendous pull blocker who hits the second level with power and keeps his head on a swivel.

2009 Outlook: Barring any injury, Tyronne Green will not see any playing time in 2009 but will be sitting behind a former Pro Bowler and learning the Center position from him.  Grabbing a Center in the draft was seen as a priority after consecutive injury-plagued seasons from Hardwick.

Pick Grade: A

 

Gartrell Johnson, RB, Colorado St. (Round 4, Pick 34 - 134th Overall)

This is a pick I'm very excited about.  Although I believe LaDainian Tomlinson to be a great player, I have spent many games screaming at my TV for the Chargers to get a power back.  Or, when they knew they had one in Michael Turner, for them to use a power back.  Not necessarily because I think a big, bruising runner would have more success in certain situations of the game but because LT needs to be taken care of so we can extend his career and get the most from him.  This was gone over in great depth here, but to summarize: The Chargers have worked Tomlinson harder than any other back in the league since his rookie season and he's starting to break down because of it.  It's time to let somebody else take that pounding and have LT healthy for the playoffs.

As for Gartrell Johnson, I think he's a fantastic player.  He's built like a MAC truck and he runs like one too.  From what I've seen of him as a college player, he almost never goes down from the first or second hit.  As a matter of fact, it usually takes two or three guys to get him down.  Johnson is the polar opposite of Darren Spoles.  He is not very fast and is not going to be able to make it to the corner for an outside run.  Gartrell Johnson takes the ball and runs straight up the middle, but his strength and determination make him very effective at that. 

2009 Outlook: Gartrell Johnson is going to get a lot of looks.  He's going to be out starting RB in the preseason to save Sproles from the pounding and I think he's going to impress a lot of people.  As the Charger short-yardage back I'm looking for a first-year similar to Brandon Jacobs' second year: 96 attempts (less than 7 per game), 423 yards (4.4 yards per attempt), 9 TD.

Pick Grade: B

 

Brandon Hughes, CB, Oregon St. (Round 5, Pick 12 - 148th Overall)

I thought after a night of sleep I'd wake up and realize why this pick was made.  Nope.  Brandon Hughes is an undersized corner (5'10.5", 182lbs) with good speed.  The scouting report on Hughes describes him as "feisty, physical and quick" when playing the run or a screen pass, so he likes to hit.  Due to his size he has a hard time fighting through blocks and has only average ball skills (and hands).  His ceiling seems to be as a nickel corner.

2009 Outlook: Brandon Hughes will not see the field in 2009.  With five or six cornerbacks ahead of him on the roster, Hughes will most likely end up on the practice squad.

Pick Grade: D-

 

Kevin Ellison, S, USC (Round 6, Pick 16 - 189th Overall)

Rodney Harrison, part two.  Kevin Ellison is a linebacker with good enough ball skills to play safety.  He is without a doubt a strong safety, one who likes being the 8th man in the box and laying a big hit on a RB or a WR coming across the middle.  Ellison's scouting report says he's very good at defending TEs over the middle, but struggles with covering a RB or WR near the sidelines.

The question I'm asking with this pick is if the big, hard-hitting strong safety with marginal cover skills is still an asset in the NFL.  The Chargers let Rodney Harrison go, the Cowboys let Roy Williams go and it seems teams are looking more for fast/quick players that can lay the lick (like Polamalu) than a linebacker to play in the secondary.

2009 Outlook: Kevin Ellison could end up taking the starting safety spot away from Clinton Hart with a good training camp.  If he shows the same level of ability or better in coverage as a rookie, I have no reason to believe they'd put Hart out there.  Even if Ellison doesn't win the job out of camp, he could be the starter by the end of the season.

Pick Grade: B-

 

Demetrius Byrd, WR, LSU (Round 7, Pick 15 - 224th Overall)

I always liked Demetrius Byrd.  He was one of those players that I couldn't quite put my finger on why I liked him so much, but it seemed like when the ball was in the air he just wanted it more.  In reality, there are several things I can take out of that sentence and translate.  One, he plays with passion.  Two, he has the strength to fight for the ball.  Three, he's a QB's best friend (a receiver who comes back to the ball).  Four, he's tough.  Fifth, he's the best college receiver I've seen at making an over-the-shoulder catch in-stride.  And finally, Byrd has a burst of speed that cannot be captured in statistics or measurements. 

Byrd was projected to go in the 5th round or higher, but a recent one-car accident has put him in the hospital with no news as to the severity of his injuries.  If he fully recovers, it's a steal.  If he doesn't, it was still a good risk to take.

2009 Outlook: Recovery, I imagine.  Depending on the severity of his injuries, Byrd may not be able to play at all this season.  In his first healthy year I expect Byrd to be our 4th receiver and push for the slot receiver spot.

Pick Grade: B

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Good grades

although I would do it a bit differntly. I’ll post my grades on Thursday.

by Grey Suit on Apr 27, 2009 7:25 AM PDT reply actions  

I'll post mine in 2011 :-)

As much as I like the draft, I think I’m done thinking about it. (That is, until the list of UDFAs comes out, then I’m back in the game)

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Apr 27, 2009 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Peter King's thoughts
I was like everyone else — Larry English at 16? Crazy — until I got on the phones Saturday night and kept hearing, "Great pick.’’ Imagine if Shawne Merriman comes back healthy, and this team has Merriman, English and Shaun Phillips coming off the various edges.

"I bleed powder blue." - Antonio Gates

by matthewverygood on Apr 27, 2009 10:21 AM PDT reply actions  

I read this and thought

That’s too many edges for one play. But as my mind wandered I started to think about nickel situations. If you took out Jamal (which they do) and had one or two these guys put their hand on the ground and the rest standing up. Then you have Burnett or Cooper in to cover the middle of the field and 5 DBs that’s a pretty scary nickel package. Something you need a lot of in the NFL what with the NEs, Indys and DENs of the world out there.

Memo to baseball managers: You manufacture runs by NOT making outs, not by making them on purpose.

by Wonko on Apr 27, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good, solid draft

My only questions/comments are:

-Merriman better have a comeback year or he won’t be a Charger in 2010. Same goes for Phillips

-Vasquez. Do the Chargers have the most Latinos on their team?

-So what are the main differences in Canadian football? 12 players, 110 yard field, 3 downs, anything else?

-I like Johnson. Will be a solid addition, especially if he can contribute on special teams.

-If Hughes can be better than Gordon, that’s great. But seems like just a wittle guy.

-Ellison and Bryd. If they can stay healthy great. But I think Bryd can beat out Davis if he gets a chance.

-Since ’03, an UDFA has made the roster. CJ Spillman maybe?

by L Magico on Apr 27, 2009 11:46 AM PDT reply actions  

So what are the main differences in Canadian football? 12 players, 110 yard field, 3 downs, anything else?

The biggest difference is the level of talent and speed. Martin had tremendous stats but was supposed to be an UDFA. That says something right there.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Apr 27, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

also

I believe DLineman are required to line up 1 yard off the line of scrimmage, so they get a running start at each other.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Apr 27, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's what it looks like

Memo to baseball managers: You manufacture runs by NOT making outs, not by making them on purpose.

by Wonko on Apr 27, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doh, Try again

Memo to baseball managers: You manufacture runs by NOT making outs, not by making them on purpose.

by Wonko on Apr 27, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

nice

I like the multiple motions and two guys actually in motion towards the line before the snap.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Apr 27, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cool

Thanks for the pic Wonko. But it seems a DL skills would transfer the easiest to the NFL. Stop the run, get to the QB. But 2 more players on the field really make it look crowded.

by L Magico on Apr 27, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

As it applies to a NT

The extra yard of space means he’ll need to get off the ball faster so he doesn’t get run over on run plays. The talent level is like a Div II player getting drafted x2, so he’ll need to step up to the competition, but he measureables tell me it’s within his ceiling. Due to his position, most of the rules won’t make much of a difference, as they mainly effect the passing game. The extra man on each side is almost always a WR/DB, the extra width/length of the field/endzones opens up the passing game, the 3 downs means teams pass more, etc. Canadian Football is really pass-first so he’ll need to adjust to that, but I think he’s capable.

I’m just surprised he got taken so early, I’ve never heard pf a Canadian College guy even getting drafted before, but I guess AJ thought someone else was going to snag him.

"It is what it is." - Bill Belichick

by 108 on Apr 27, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Smith said he thought Martin was likely to go in the 6th or 7th round, but was afraid he might not get him if he didn’t take him in the 4th.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Apr 27, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think no matter what

Merriman is franchised for ’10

"I bleed powder blue." - Antonio Gates

by matthewverygood on Apr 27, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

That seems logical

But A.J. likes to defy common wisdom, so, we’ll see.

Memo to baseball managers: You manufacture runs by NOT making outs, not by making them on purpose.

by Wonko on Apr 27, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

My biggest concern:

what on earth are we going to do at DE?

"If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself." - Bob Dylan

by JollyWaffle on Apr 27, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Chargers are insisting Martin is a 3-4 DE

So I’m assuming it’s going to be Cesaire/Williams/Castillo with Bigham backing up at NT (ugh) and Martin as the backup for both DE spots. If Williams and Castillo battle injuries, this could get dicey.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Apr 27, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cesaire did a good job last season.

Just pray for no injuries.

I want to thank the good Lord for making me a Philip Rivers fan.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Apr 27, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bingham vs Martin

I’m hearing that Bingham had the spot before the draft and that Martin will challenge him. I don’t believe Cesaire is looked to battle for Igor’s spot, he’s Castillo’s back up. To further back up what I heard here’s the Chargers’ depth chart:

http://www.chargers.com/team/depth-chart.html

scroll to defense…of course.

by Hellsbells51 on Apr 27, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

no way Martin challenges anyone for the starting position this year

I bet he’ll be in the rotation mid way through the season, but the starting position battle will be between Cesaire and Bingham. Cesaire and Bingham were the back ups for either DE spot last year, Bingham was also Williams’ backup last year.

I suspect Cesaire might get the starting nod just because Bingham is so versatile as a backup.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Apr 27, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bingham and Cesaire = backups

I don’t think Martin will start anytime soon…just saying that right now Bingham and Martin are penciled in at right DE spot. AJ confirmed that Martin is penciled in at a RDE spot today…which means they will battle all year for the spot. I agree that Martin will not start the season off at RDE, but he will play in many situational defensive formations and barring Bingham’s performance and Martin’s transition from league differences…Martin may find himself a starting gig by years end? Who knows!? Both Cesaire and Bingham are decent backups…nothing more. We can’t say the same for Martin who may or may not shine at DE. Time will tell…I think it’s premature to say “no way will he challenge for a starting spot.”

by Hellsbells51 on Apr 27, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

you might be right

I’m not counting on a quick transition from Martin and I’m comfortable with Bingham or Cesaire starting. I am worried about depth.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Apr 28, 2009 6:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Same here...

I think Bingham and Cesaire can do enough to get us by for a chunk of the season, but how long will it last for a pair of backups? The way AJ and co. talk about Johnson it seems as if they’ve found a hidden gem. I’m looking forward to seeing him play…I especially like that he has a huge chip on his shoulder being from the Canadian ranks. He knows if he succeeds he will open the gates for others to follow…a trailblazer, so to speak.

by Hellsbells51 on Apr 28, 2009 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shutdown Corner

MJD did a good job of grabbing draft grades from several different places and averaging them out. Chargers wound up grading pretty average, but just about tied with the Broncos for best draft in the division.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Apr 27, 2009 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't know where to put this...

But Scott Chandler and DeJuan Tribble got cut with the signing of the UDFA. I think Spillman can beat out Ellison and the Tackles have a good chance of making it also.

But Wopamo Osaisai is such a fantastic name. He’s gotta make it!

by L Magico on Apr 27, 2009 5:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Johnson can move!

Gatrell Johnson is elusive as heck!? He’s the type that can thrive in a Norv led offense since he has the versatility to catch as well as run. I like his potential.

He was the main RB in the East/West Shrine game running 10 carries for 65 yds 0 TD’s.

by Hellsbells51 on Apr 27, 2009 9:21 PM PDT reply actions  

I've watched some youtubes on Gartrell

and I’m liking him more and more. He seems to have sufficient game speed and is compact and powerful. He does remind me a bit of Turner without the top end speed of Turner.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Apr 28, 2009 6:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Moves make up for top end speed

Not too often does a RB use his top end speed until he breaks away or gets outstanding blocks. In case of Turner, he needs those blocks in order for him to break one. In case of Gartrell, he makes moves to get in open field…similar to LT and Sproles. While Turner is the better pure RB, Gartrell can make his stamp on this team being versatile like our main guys. We now have five backs that can turn a simple screen into something serious.

I wish there was more video on our guys…AJ has definitely pulled players from his ass if you can’t find much video on them!?

by Hellsbells51 on Apr 28, 2009 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Big plays

I don’t think Gartell will be providing too many 50-60 yard runs. However, I do expect him to be a game-changing back when we get into the redzone. Within a space of 20 yards, I could see him being a force.

I like the comparison to Turner without the top-end speed. Considering Turner was the top RB in football last year, I’m sure Gartell would like the comparison also.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Apr 28, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Martin
The one reason I’m down on this pick is it seems to be a major reach. Martin was expected to go undrafted or possibly get grabbed in the 7th round.

It’s hard for me to categorize a fourth rounder as a reach, it’s pretty much a crap shoot after the third. His agent claims there was much more interest in him than the media knew of. He supposedly benched 44 reps at a college workout and is as faster than hell for 330. He pulled out a 38 on the Wonderlic which is excellent. He hasn’t been in football long, but his measurables are off the charts on almost every category. They’re starting him at DE; but he has the bulk to go NT if he can play. I love this pick.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Apr 28, 2009 7:14 PM PDT reply actions  

A.J. said himself on 1360 on Monday

He knew the guy was most likely going to go in the 6th or 7th round. But, he saw the guys talent as so special that he didn’t want to risk getting good value or getting good talent. Anytime you wait for a proper spot to draft a guy you risk somebody else taking him. A.J. may have panicked a little, but Martin’s upside is so off the charts that he felt it was worth it to take him early.

The way I see it is that because Martin is an unknown you are getting Top 10 pick talent for pennies on the dollar. How many times can you say that? I don’t think that happens very often in the draft. Usually, guys in the 4th round or later have something physical about them that limits their NFL potential (too small, too short, too slow, etc). Martin is just too raw. You can work with that as long as you believe in your coaches. For talent like that I think any round where you are paying him millions is a good round to pick that.

Memo to baseball managers: You manufacture runs by NOT making outs, not by making them on purpose.

by Wonko on Apr 29, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

The way I see it is that because Martin is an unknown you are getting Top 10 pick talent for pennies on the dollar. How many times can you say that? I don’t think that happens very often in the draft. Usually, guys in the 4th round or later have something physical about them that limits their NFL potential (too small, too short, too slow, etc).

This is what I think, it’s a gamble because of the lack of experience, but it could pay off huge. To some degree he reminds me a bit of Olshansky who was also a workout warrior, but never quite met the expectations they had. Of course Olshansky they got in the second round, if I recall correctly. I almost see Martin as having more upside than English who ran a pretty slow 40; but that’s getting way ahead before we even see the preseason.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Apr 29, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

For talent like that I think any round where you are paying him millions is a good round to pick that.

I’m not sure I parse that.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Apr 29, 2009 6:45 PM PDT reply actions  

*where you aren't paying him millions

I was basically trying to say that the 4th round (maybe even the 3rd round) or later is fine because you aren’t investing millions in the gamble like you would be in the 1st or 2nd round. I don’t think 4th rounders make that much more than 5th, 6th or 7th rounders and I’m pretty sure they get paid in the hundreds of thousands, but not millions.

Memo to baseball managers: You manufacture runs by NOT making outs, not by making them on purpose.

by Wonko on Apr 30, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

OK

I’m with ya now, and would agree. Lock him to five years now and he is either an enormous bargain or a cheap experiment.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Apr 30, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

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