X's and O's - Jeromey Clary
Alright, welcome back to another edition of Xs and Os. Two weeks ago was the first official one, where we reviewed Eric Weddle. It was mostly me explaining what I've seen on film and everyone either agreeing or disagreeing, based off of what they remembered. This time...I brought proof. It's blurry proof, but proof none-the-less.
Before I get to that though, I'd like to encourage anyone with a bunch of time on their hands to purchase a subscription to NFL Game Rewind from NFL.com. Not only is it a fun tool to go back and watch the games with (with HD definition it seems), but every time I do I come away with different takes on players. For instance, I decided that since I did most of my review on Weddle on the last 4 games of the season (Den, TB, Ind, Pit) that I would do the same for Clary. I went back and watched those games, paying particularly close attention to Jeromey Clary and I came out of it with a better appreciation for LT as a pass-blocker, a lesser appreciation for McNeil (at least when he's playing with a hurt neck) and a greater appreciation for Dwight Freeney (who I already thought was great).
Even though none of these 4 games were LT's best, he definitely jumped off the screen when it came to helping his Offensive Line. It's obvious to anyone that the two most dangerous players on the Colts Defensive Line are Freeney and Mathis. Most of our pass plays they were both being doubled (Freeney with McNeil/Dielman and Mathis with Clary/TE), but every few plays one of them would get lined up one-on-one against them. Freeney made McNeil look completely foolish one-on-one and Mathis could get by Clary almost half of the time he was one-on-one, but Clary did a good job of forcing Mathis WAY outside where he was useless once Rivers stepped up. Back to LT though. Those times where the play would start, Clary and Mathis would hit each other and you could sense that Mathis was about to bust free, LT would come out of nowhere and hit Mathis in the mouth. I actually noticed the same play ran once in the first quarter and once in the fourth, with LT and Sproles in the backfield. Here's what happened from the RB:
1st Quarter: LT squirts up the middle of the line for a screen, but notices Mathis about to get past Clary after a good spin move to the inside. LT launches himself at Mathis' chest and sends him back a step or two. By time he's regained his footing and balance, Clary has gotten back in front of him and blocks him for the remainer of the play. Not that it matters, but what happened with the play is that two guys broke through the left-side of the line and forced Rivers out of the pocket to his right. If LT didn't make the play that he did, it goes down as a 6-7 yard sack. LT's block helped Rivers get to the outside where he missed Manumaleuna downfield. The play was erased through because Goff was called for being an ineligible receiver downfield. Quick Analysis: If you're called for being an ineligible receiver downfield and two guys come flying through the offensive line as if they were unblocked, you probably missed your assignment.
4th Quarter: Sproles quirts up the middle of the line for a screen, turns around quickly. He does not see the Defensive Tackle blowing past Goff. The tackle hits Rivers, just as Rivers is releasing the pass to Sproles. 13 yards, first down. Now you could argue that since this play had the better result Sproles played it better, but you'd be wrong. The biggest risk to the first play was that Rivers would throw a pick or incomplete or a penalty would get called. The biggest risk to the second was Rivers getting knocked out of the game or fumbling a ball that's returned for a TD.
Anyways, after watching these games over again my thoughts about some other Chargers changed. My thoughts about Jeromey Clary, and Mike Goff, did not. Well, maybe a little. I am now more certain than ever that Goff should not have been starting last year. He was consistently overmatched. McNeil too. If you were to look at the last 4 games of the Chargers 2008 season and evaluate the offensive line, their rankings would look something like this:
- Kris Dielman - A total badass. Has the strength, has the technique and helps to cover up everyone else's mistakes.
- Jeromey Clary - A future badass. Tons of strength and technique that's slowly improving. He's a natural.
- Nick Hardwick - Reminds me of Sproles. Just seems way too small to be taking on defensive linemen, but he holds his own. Loves to cut-block and I've seen him get into some DTs heads by doing it. Becomes a better blocker when double-teaming someone with Dielman.
- Marcus McNeil - A step too slow and not strong enough (probably due to the neck injury). He knew it too and spent so much time trying to guess what the defender was going to do that he put himself in bad position half the time by guessing wrong. He needs his confidence back.
- Mike Goff - Just awful. Which is strange because I remember him being pretty good in 2007 and definitely more consistentl. Couldn't keep anyone from getting to the QB without help. The best you could hope for in the running game was him standing his guy up. There's just not enough strength left in his legs to do it anymore.
Today I am less-opposed to the idea of drafting a RT, but not because Clary needs to be replaced. Clary showed me over those 4 games that he may be the strongest offensive lineman that we have. His strength at the point of impact is huge, but that's basically all he has in his bag of tricks. The ball is snapped and he's going to hit you. He's either going to throw you left (into another blocker) or he's going to throw you right (and force you so far outside that you're removed from any running plays and Rivers has time to step up and get rid of the ball on passing plays. Is that what you want in a finished product Offensive Tackle in the NFL? Not really, but it's a good start. I think he'd make a hell of a RG now and a very good RT in about 2 years. Right now I'd just call him "good". I'm not against the idea of leaving him at RT and moving Forney into the RG position (I don't know anything about Forney, so I'm assuming he's better than Goff), because with a good lineman to his left he'd be much better.
Now I'm not going to post a million screenshots here to prove my point over and over again. You're going to have to take my word for it, or go check out the NFL Game Rewind yourself, that this particular poor offensive line play occured more often than not in the 4 games that I watched. Let us go through the images step-by-step:
That's how the right side of the line is set-up pre-snap. Clary is the one that's officially at the end of the line, with the big black elbow guard. Naanee is lined up on his back him, Gates to the distant right and Chambers outside. The two Colts players to focus on are Raheem Brock (#79) and Roberth Mathis (#98).
I know it's blurry, but stick with me here. Above Rivers you can see McNeil blocking Freeney and Dielman coming to help. Hardwick is taking on the other DT by himself and doing a good job of it. Clary has Mathis one-on-one and Goff has Brock, who is good but not great. You can already start to see in this picture that as soon as the ball was snapped Brock was already powering past Goff. Mathis is trying to spin to the inside on Clary, so he tries blocking him in that direction to try and make him fall or to block him into the line (assuming Hardwick and Goff aren't creating giant holes). After Clary does this he usually slides over behind the C and RG to help them block their guys and to block Mathis from running up a hole in the middle of the line. Like I said before, it's not the greatest technique in the world but it works because he can dictate the whole scenario with his strength.
Uh-oh. Clary threw Mathis to the inside and before he could move his feet to get in front of him he was blindsided with Raheem Brock, being held by Goff to make sure he doesn't get to Rivers. Keep in mind that Hardwick is at the line of scrimmage still. If the play had gone well, Goff would be up there about a yard or two behind him. Instead he's 4 yards back and holding Brock. Him being pushed so far back and now forcing the play sideways picks off Clary and creates that wide-open lane down the center of the pocket for Mathis to get to Rivers. Not only is Goff losing his battle, he's holding and taking Clary out of the play completely. By the way, this was one of the few plays where McNeil seemed to handle Freeney well on his own and (obviously) didn't need the assist from Dielman.
You knew it was coming. Dielman and McNeil are doing a great job pushing Freeney out of the play completely. Hardwick's man hasn't moved an inch (and that looks like defensive holding to me. This was just a millisecond after Clary tried to move to his left and got blocked by Goff/Brock. Goff now appears to be bear-hugging Brock from behind (there was no call here, by the way) and in a last-ditch effort Clary has decided to try and smash the 600+lbs of Goff/Brock backwards into Mathis to buy Rivers another second to get rid of the ball.
And there's the final result. So who's fault was the sack? Well the stat sheet says Clary, because it was his guy. And yeah, there are other ways he could've tried to block Mathis that maybe would've worked, but at this point in his career Clary is all strength. See defensive lineman, hit defensive lineman. See defensive lineman coming back or trying another hole, get there and hit defensive lineman again. The kid has a motor on him too. He has found that his strength can be a great tool for rushers trying to go outside on him. He's so strong that he'll seemingly toss them that way, but sends them way outside. It buys Rivers a couple of seconds to get rid of the ball, but most of the time it sends the defender on a path where he's going to miss the QB after Rivers steps up in the pocket. It seems to easy but it works nearly every time.
Against Pittsburgh he tried this move on Lamar Woodley (I think) and found the player to be more agile and quick than most DEs. He found out because when he threw Woodley out wide, Woodley quickly re-adjusted his line to the QB and seemed ready to knock Rivers helmet off. When Clary saw that he lined himself up and creamed Woodley in the side to knock him to the ground. After that he was more careful about throwing those speedy LBs to the outside.
My point is the same as it was when we discussed drafting a RT in the first round the other day. Do we need an upgrade there? Not necessarily. Clary has the physical tools and showed some good technique in short spurts during those last 4 games. He's adequate now and getting better. What would help him is a move to guard or a RG that is going to hold his position. Is Forney that guy? I have no idea.
If Clary does make the move to RG though, watch out. His strength, matched with his pulling ability (he's like a steam-roller when he gets going) and placed along side Hardwick would open up some huge holes on that side. Oh yeah, and before I forget. There's a lot of people who think that we only run left because that's where Dielman and McNeil are. Those people are half-right. To run to a side you need to make sure both linemen on that side are capable of not only holding their blocks but pushing forward. Clary is, Goff is not. So if you tried to run behind Clary, Goff's man would bust the play open. So the team certainly runs left more than it runs right, but at least in these later games I saw more of a tendancy towards running right. The difference is that nearly every time we did we pulled either Dielman or McNeil to either double-Goff's man or hit the linebacker trying to close the hole. The weakness in this line was not Jeromey Clary, it was Mike Goff.
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Nicely done Mr. Man
great analsys, I might have to look into that NFL rewind.
On that particular play, it looks like brock and mathis ended up running a stunt (where brock picked off the man who was blocking mathis to free up mathis) Did this look like an intentional planned stunt or just how the play ended up going?
If Goff was so weak, why wasn’t he replaced? I’m betting that Forney will be our starting RG next year (based on the contract he just got) and he was on our roster all year. If the coaches liked him so much and Goff was such a liability, I wonder why he wasn’t replaced? I know cohesion and teamwork is critical on the OLine and perhaps the coaches felt that Goff brought more to the table there than Forney. Perhaps the coaches determined that Goff would be in the right place all the time and sometimes be physically overmatched, but that was better than Forney who might not be in the right place all the time, even though he might do better physically.
Did Forney get any snaps last year?
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 4, 2009 7:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think youre right
about the cohesion and continuity of the O-Line. Plus like obvious said, he had a pretty good 07’ (at least from what i remember) so im sure they gave him the benefit of the doubt.
This is some great stuff Obviousman. I must admit that i do not pay attention to the trenches much because, well…its boring. Thanks for helping a brother out, and making me a more informed fan.
by soulSD on Mar 4, 2009 7:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did Forney get any snaps last year?
Forney was active in three games, but never made the field. It’s strange to me they didn’t try him out either; as much as they struggled there.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Mar 4, 2009 8:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It didn't looked planned to me
But if it was then they were planning on Brock pushing Goff 4 yards back within the first second of the play, so they knew where the issue was.
I’m gonna say that your reasoning for why they stuck with Goff is the most logical. They tried to help him as much as they could by pulling other linemen but he just seemed overmatched by most DTs. Keep in mind that I was only watching the last 4 games of the season, he may have looked better before that and that’s why they stuck with him.
by John (obviousman) on Mar 4, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent stuff
Rec’d
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Mar 4, 2009 8:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is excellent work, obvman, and it confirmed my belief that Clary would be best served by a move to guard.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 4, 2009 12:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He Really Would
His strength is above average, especially in a straight line. As with most young offensive linemen, he has more raw skills than technique at that point and that makes him a better choice at RG for the time being.
I wanted to keep the post from becoming a million words long, but I wish I could’ve gone into depth of how much fun it was to watch Clary. There were a few plays where he was pulled over to the left-side, you without even seeing his face you could see how excited he was to be able to get a running start before leveling someone. It was like a defensive linemen looking to take a QB’s head off after an INT.
He certainly has the potential to become a very good RT in the future, but for the next few years he would just be adequate. On the good side of things, I think McNeil getting healthy and replacing Goff would bring our offensive line right back to where it was before ’08.
by John (obviousman) on Mar 4, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Another key in drafting a RT
Is to pick a guy who has potential as a LT. That way if McNeil never returns to his rookie year form, you can switch the two.
1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.
by Wonko on Mar 4, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That goes with my initial point
that it’s silly to draft a RT in the draft and it’s silly to give so much money to that position. If McNeil returns to form I don’t know that we’d want to switch him to RT (remember that he was a pro bowler his rookie year), but getting a potential LT to play RT would certainly give us a backup plan when it came to contract negotiations as well as injuries.
by John (obviousman) on Mar 4, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I should correct that
it’s silly to draft a RT in the first round of the draft.
There we go.
by John (obviousman) on Mar 4, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you need to get past that
If an OT is the best player available and we have a spot at RT, then it is far from silly. Offensive line is important and there shouldn’t be anything wrong with drafting for it in the first round.
1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.
by Wonko on Mar 4, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OT was a big need last year too
and we drafted a CB in the first round, a position we needed depth in but had solid starters.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 4, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s because all the first round caliber OT were gone by the time we were on the clock.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 4, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah
i forgot about that
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 4, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rewind
Seems pretty cool. It’d be real nice if you could rewind to games before 2008. Watch some real old classics, etc. Hopefully that’s in the works.
by Jonny Dub on Mar 4, 2009 3:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
excellent post
Goff didn’t use to be so bad.
Bring back Balboa Stadium.
by calipatrick on Mar 5, 2009 2:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fantastic analysis!!
Great read! Thanks.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 18, 2009 11:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate to say it....
But your analysis is wrong. Look at where Rivers is standing when he is hit. He has stepped up into the pocket by three steps, because of the pressure coming from the left side. If you look at where Freeney ends up…it is right where Rivers was standing at the snap. The reason why the Right Guard allowed his man to go right where he ends up, is because that created the passing lane for Rivers……just look at where Rivers is looking the entire play…..right through that lane. The RG is doing exactly what he is supposed to do, the Left Tackle got beat and allowed his man to collapse the pocket, and the Right Tackle lost his man all together. Also you can see in the forth frame that Rivers has steped up right into the oncoming sacker who used a spin move to go to the inside…..there is no way that Rivers should still have the ball at this point. The only linemen who did there jobs were the Center Right Guard and Left Guard….both tackles were beaten on the play….but the biggest problem is that Rivers stepped back, then step forward twice and still had not gotten rid of the ball. I would say that this was a coverage sack…or Rivers did a poor job of reading the defense.
by Tigkoly on Mar 19, 2009 9:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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